Goku even mastered UI temporary in T.O.P and still lost against Jiren. Vegeta actually had Granolah AND Gas scared of him during his fights with them.
@amon-zero
5 ай бұрын
Exactly
@user-rb3kc6cv5k
5 ай бұрын
He didn't lose ik ppl keep saying Gokus body eventually couldn't take the power anymore but tbh that's his fault when Goku put jiren down he took to long to finish him he had about 5 mins to finish it but he wasted it just staring at jiren therefore making his body unable to bare it anymore so he tapped out but Goku won if he hadn't wasted time
@krpowe6663
5 ай бұрын
@@user-rb3kc6cv5kAs Ultra Ego appears in manga only, let's use the manga as a reference please. In the manga Goku looses Ultra Instinct when he fights Jiren, not just staring at him.
@maryboyd8126
5 ай бұрын
@@user-rb3kc6cv5k He didn't take too long, Ultra Instinct needs an absolutely blank mind to use, Goku wanted to kill Jiren for trying to kill his friends - Frieza, and even if for a split second, he had a very negative emotion affecting his mind, so he could no longer hold his MUI form.
@david.amuiki
5 ай бұрын
You dont master something , temporarly, and that moment was only in the anime
@j.i.k2.044
5 ай бұрын
Ultra Ego is not a disappointment. We have only seen Vegeta use it in one arc and he even vowed to improve his use of it in chapter 87. I believe fans saying it's a disappointment should give Ultra Ego more time and give Vegeta the actual chance to train and improve it just like we have seen with Goku.
@amon-zero
5 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's still too early. But I'll admit I can see why people judged quickly, since Vegeta is addicted to losing lol
@j.i.k2.044
5 ай бұрын
@@amon-zero Yeah that's a fair point 😅
@charlesredd9619
5 ай бұрын
Aint no mo time master is gone its a failure
@supersaiyannigga5980
2 ай бұрын
That shit is ass watch him use it again nd lose
@shinobitaylor5839
Ай бұрын
Its just a visible zenkai boost smh. Its super lame as a god power.
@LuM4bi
5 ай бұрын
R.I.P Akira Toriyama
@Notdroc
5 ай бұрын
R.i.P
@codymans4699
5 ай бұрын
Rest in peace 🫡
@beauyolia
5 ай бұрын
Watch how dragon ball changes now
@tejchudali8302
27 күн бұрын
Rip
@OnlyDarien
3 ай бұрын
To be fair to Vegeta, Gas’ wish to be the strongest in the universe had him constantly getting stronger. If he didn’t make that wish I’m sure Vegeta would’ve won easily
@shubhodeepdeb7419
5 ай бұрын
UE was just introduced in the Granola arc and Vegeta was able to give Granola a hard time unlike Goku's first battle using UI.
@Madness801
5 ай бұрын
They forget vegeta got ssg and ssb on his own and he made ssj2 stronger than ssj3 AND got stronger than ssb kkx20 with ssbe
@Exo_Tyrannus
5 ай бұрын
The problem with UE is that Vegeta has spent most of his entire adult life trying to avoid that part of him self. When he was younger UE would've been perfect for him
@blackpow3r
4 ай бұрын
That actually is the great part of UE. Vegeta is having a complete circle of life now back to his old self, but not as an actual villain but as more indifferent and not guilt or personal grudges like he had during the Saiyan and Frieza arcs. UE is PERFECT for Vegeta lol.
@UncleCheezmo
3 ай бұрын
@@blackpow3ryou ignored vegetas growth in moro saga and only partially read the granolah arc if that’s what you think about Vegeta.
@blackpow3r
3 ай бұрын
@@UncleCheezmo I did Not see any character growth during the Moro arc. Care to explain what I missed?
@UncleCheezmo
3 ай бұрын
@@blackpow3r yeah no thanks, you can read just fine. I’m not your little muppet, you’re the type of person who formulates opinions that based purely on conjecture due to your inability to properly perceive what’s in front of you. There’s no point in explaining anything to people like you, it goes in one ear, and out the other. People like you are the reasons why I’m so glad I quit being a lawyer, I passed the bar exam only to be working for people like you who are the embodiment of stupidity. Either way, good luck to you and your profoundly limited intelligence. I wish you the best
@secretman796
2 ай бұрын
@@blackpow3rSorry for being late but what he meant was that Vegeta had gone to planet Yardrat to learn the yardratian's peaceful nature and their powerful techniques, just like what they did to Goku with super saiyan they taught him and vegeta that rage was not the answer to both of their problems.
@TylerBenjamin-lb3vi
5 ай бұрын
Vegeta is fighting “better” then Goku rn
@amon-zero
5 ай бұрын
Not wrong
@Copykat96i
5 ай бұрын
Yeah he has good fighting skills and tactics than goku
@MarlinWheeler
3 ай бұрын
Stop the cap 😂
@aks10008
3 ай бұрын
Where do you guys watch this ? Or do you gjys read ?
@TylerBenjamin-lb3vi
3 ай бұрын
@@aks10008 read
@surplus2188
16 сағат бұрын
He couldn’t tap into the full power of hakai ✋💥because of his love for Bulma and his kids👀
@spritvio639
5 ай бұрын
A couple I have to say. 1. The only reason why Vegeta's UE matched UI is because Toyotaro decided to nerf the form after Morro. Every problem UI had in that arc like its "accuracy" was nowhere to be seen in prior arcs, I wonder why. 2. UI had a more impressive showing in the TOP than UE did in the Granolah arc. The literal gods of destruction all stood up to show their respect to Goku. While in the Granolah arc, UE is continually disrespected.
@shinobimsh5687
4 ай бұрын
Anime version ui is way better than manga ui too
@jantheking7028
4 ай бұрын
It wasn't nerfed bruh. The reason those effects weren't present in other arcs is because Goku never used UI for longer than a few minutes at a time back then. In the granolah arc, he was pushing his UI to the limits by trying to use it in base form, ssj form, SSG, and then the MUI transformation, hence why Vegeta told Goku to not even bother using UI in his other forms until he had gotten the hang of it. Goku was using UI from the very minute he stepped on Granolah's planet, which is why the accuracy had dropped by the time he went silver hair form.
@pptemplar5840
4 ай бұрын
Didn't UI, kind of do nothing the first few times it was used too? Like it didn't really take out Jiren, maybe you can say "it helped", but surely UE Vegeta "helped". Hell, SSJ3 doesn't have a single solitary cannon win from two characters using it, and people still acted like it's existence made Vegeta entirely invalid in discussions for probably over a decade. Fusion has a pretty horrible track record too, Vegito basically did nothing except give them an excuse to not be in bubblegum pods, but I don't think I'd argue Vegito is "disappointing", it was legit entertaining just to see him. There's more to evaluate than winning fights and I'm pretty sure Vegeta (probably) being more popular than Goku is kind of case and point.
@thefuturespast5981
Ай бұрын
@@jantheking7028 Defo nerfed, those are just the explanations given for the nerf.
@0wonder
Ай бұрын
@@thefuturespast5981that’s not a nerf like the Original comment was saying which was just to make UE equal even though it had a genuine reason
@Netherwolf6100
5 ай бұрын
Ultra Ego so far is in its earilest and most basic stage. Its basically UI Sign. Its just the the beginning. We haven't seen him master the form and make it his own completely yet.
@hueyfreeman5509
4 ай бұрын
The writers just throw whatever out there at this point and the fans just fill in the logic smh
@Webswinger
4 ай бұрын
@@hueyfreeman5509Fr
@BeatBlast
Ай бұрын
When he learns how to use it he gets his eyebrows back
@kxfromga5359
26 күн бұрын
@@BeatBlast you a fool for this 😂😂
@minkjustice1172
5 ай бұрын
Vegeta was kicking Granolahs ass when he was using Ultra Ego. Ultra Instinct got silenced real quick by a Copy. UEV held his own for a good while before the damage he ALLOWED to happen started to take its toll
@shinobimsh5687
4 ай бұрын
Not copy original granola knocked goku when the new nerf called accuracy drop kicked in
@ramachandra1023
3 ай бұрын
I hope we get to see fusion ultra instinct and Ultra ego 😊
@Afroech
Ай бұрын
As much as I love Vegeta it’s somewhat of a disappointment. Even though Goku did lose against Jiren, it wasn’t after having mastered it in less than 45 minutes. And he only lost because he hit his limit before he could finish it, not simply because he wasn’t strong enough to do so
@awsomerykster1097
4 ай бұрын
I don’t care if people think it’s a disappointment, just look at it, his hair is purple THATS FUCKING AWESOME
@CurrenttQueen
3 ай бұрын
I'd LOVE to see him learn kaioken and use it as he'd be using a technique of creation and destruction and they mix perfectly
@oliviasmith1810
5 ай бұрын
What people fail to understand is that both UI and UV are completely different from what goku and vegeta had in past so ofcourse it gonna take time for them to master it no matter how powerful they're right now
@PrismaticGote
2 ай бұрын
A major point that people overlook is that Vegeta was bleeding out from an injury he sustained before he transformed into Ultra Ego. It's even pointed out after he transforms when he clutches his stomach and shows blood on his hand.
@jaceseldom8236
3 ай бұрын
No, his ego has always driven him.
@Stickand
Ай бұрын
I need an arc where vegeta wins it all and is the strongest for awhile
@armyparty
3 ай бұрын
As a martial artist. The fan base use the word mastery way to often. To master something doesn't just mean to control it. Mastery is a level beyond control.
@diddleswright2288
29 күн бұрын
It's just the name that's recognized for the transformation. It's how we have a distinction. No one actually believes ultra instinct is mastered. But when you say true ultra instinct, or mastered ultra instinct I can immediately tell the difference between what you're referring to.
@sandysantos7182
5 ай бұрын
Basef on how its explained, the real pro to untra ego is that it acts as a kaioken. It boosts his power over time while taking damage to his body. This coupled with being a saiyan and getting zenkai boosts, hes basically getting twice as strong of a boost everytime he fights and heals.
@diddleswright2288
29 күн бұрын
Its not like kaioken at all. Kaioken gives a boost in power while prolonged use damages the body. Ultra ego gives an increase in power the more damage you take.
@sandysantos7182
29 күн бұрын
@@diddleswright2288 it kind of is though. Simplistic terms, Kaioken damages body to increase power. Untra ego increases power when body is damaged. Both have the end result of having high power with high risk to body, and that is what's needed for Vegeta. Since Goku using Kaioken allowed him to abuse his zenkai boosts after healing, making him stronger than everyone during the namek saga and beyond, if Vegeta fights in ultra ego, he will allow himself to take damage to get stronger from it, but the zenkai boost he will get will also multiply on top of the ego boost.
@diddleswright2288
25 күн бұрын
@@sandysantos7182 kaioken amplifies power at the risk of damaging it for ultimately trying to either amplify you power too much or prolonged use, but the more damage you take from using kaioken doesn't keep enhancing your power. Ultra ego as a form does not hurt you at all. It feeds you more power the more you get hurt, IF you get hurt. Vegeta can also use ultra ego when heavily fatigued, while kaioken would drain your stamina even more. The only thing they have in common is that they both can give a boost in power, just like every other transformation in the show.
@sandysantos7182
25 күн бұрын
@@diddleswright2288 the point I'm making is that they're both the same in use with relation to zenkai boosts the Saiyan's get. Kaioken damages the body, Goku tore muscles using it against Vegeta the first time. UE would benefit vegeta in battle as well as his zenkai boosts based on how UE and zenkai work together. Vegeta has a chance with it to close the gap
@damienminnis5262
4 ай бұрын
Thank you, disrespect of the prince of all Saiyans will not be tolerated!!!!
@damienminnis5262
4 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@blackpow3r
4 ай бұрын
This is the only good takeaway from sensei Akira's death. The vandetta against Vegeta getting no real wins can be fixed now lol.
@user-mv9gc7dp5j
15 күн бұрын
While I don’t think Ue is a failure. I do think it’s bull shit. Goku’s been training for Ui since resurrection F and Vegeta got Ue just a few weeks after learning about it.
@jeremy9127
5 күн бұрын
Vegeta finally gets his own form to have it nerfed and one shotted by Frieza.
@thenumber-os9bc
5 күн бұрын
He looks fire with the earing
@TxBxGxM
Ай бұрын
Ue is underrated cuz it’s the complete opposite of ui meaning goku will have an extreme time figuring what to do
@kimaris51
2 ай бұрын
People often misunderstand this form, Ultra Ego Vegeta gets stronger as he gets motivated or excited to fight, it just so happens that taking damage is the best way for that to happen, people also say that this form is useless because Vegeta just gets beat up but fail to realize that this is the case because of Vegeta's reckless utilization of Ultra Ego, if he used it correctly, like activating his Aura to nullify some attacks or dodge the attacks he needs to before he takes too much damage he wouldn't have lost against Granolah or Gas, overall this form is a really good form, it was Vegeta's utilization of the form that caused him to lose against Granolah and Gas
@EmazinGamer
2 ай бұрын
Tbh since vegetas loyal blood is probably stronger than regular sayian blood his potential might be more its just his way of learning and doing things might ve blocking it or not letting it come out yet or fully come out i say this bc hes been able to catch up so fast everytime. Goku had ui for months and vegeta caught up to him with one power up, and thats only one example
@StellOls-qm5mt
9 күн бұрын
The reason why goku hasn't gotten much better at ui is because it inherently isn't his style of fighting so it is really hard to adapt and use it. However, ultra ego perfectly represents vegeta
@kota2157
26 күн бұрын
As whis said, they've just tapped divine energy, they still have a whole mountain to climb before they hit peak
@the1andonlybelac
2 ай бұрын
Ultra Ego is still unfinished due to vegeta not wanting to, "literally not give a fuck." Beerus explained to him that once you use destroyer energy you literally have to have the mindset of a destroyer and not care who you hurt or what you destroy. But Vegeta has had one of the most 180° character developments of all time, and his new challenge is getting back into his old mindset of being an intergalactic murderer. When he fought against Granolah, he regretted the actions that he and the other Saiyans committed in the past.
@DXLJOKER
Ай бұрын
Don’t worry cauliflower and kale will learn U.I and ultra ego in a couple days doesn’t matter
@jessewoodall7253
5 ай бұрын
I think part of it is ui was hinted at back in the ressurection of f arc, while ue wasn't really hinted at, he just achieved it. I think its fine, it's a good power up. And purple is cool
@shinobimsh5687
4 ай бұрын
Bcz compared to ui, hakai is easy to learn and probably even master(unless toyotara deside not to), goku literally pulled hakai against zamasu just like that
@omarpro1495
3 ай бұрын
Did u read granola arc
@macthedude9457
2 ай бұрын
UE has a lot of potential, I think it just needs to be tweaked. I don’t like how the forms main virtue, turning damage into power, is also its biggest flaw. I would personally change it to where you get super regeneration abilities. But as to not make it OP, it drains your energy much quicker. Kinda like SSJ3.
@macthedude9457
2 ай бұрын
This new version of UE could be unlocked as “mastered ultra ego” or just by learning the form more.
@Memememememememememeemememm
26 күн бұрын
Even Beerus is still learning UI so I wouldn't worry
@theyetti90
Ай бұрын
U.I. always makes me think Goku has a urinary infection.
@diddleswright2288
29 күн бұрын
Just reread the gronahla arc, and id say no. In attack potency it ended up outclassing mui, and vegeta can also utilize it even when he's heavily fatigued, which is very much unlike gokus ultra instinct transformations.
@Prophet_Of_Pants
2 ай бұрын
The song in the background is “Orbit” by Good Kid. Great indie rock band, go support them.
@UltimateFanOfSonic
Ай бұрын
Its a disappointment due to the no eyebrows curse that a *certain* form got
@TheKnight-nc7qn
4 ай бұрын
it is not useless he literally outperformed goku throughout the entire arc(he beat granolah and forced him to evolve to keep up with vegeta, scared the hell out gass and would have surpassed him if he didn't pass out) goku caught up to him and slightly surpassed him when he got true ui
@dwightnorton3398
2 ай бұрын
Yup , I agree
@buddyt5734
Ай бұрын
Just let him end freeza for good😭
@Misiula_639
Ай бұрын
Well goku had a long and amazing fight to show MUI and vegeta fought for a lil time and lost
@Ohm_finder619
4 ай бұрын
The difference between Goku and Vegeta's new forms and why Vegeta is able to catch up so quickly is the fact that UE actually fits Vegeta's style of combat and mindset while UI is basically the opposite of everything Goku stands for which is why he created TUI so he can tap into his rage without losing control of UI. Though Goku was the better of the two to learn UI, he definitely wasn't the best overall candidate based off his known trait to drag out fights for the thrill of the battle instead of just finishing the fight. Vegeta does the same thing but UE doesn't require him to fight seriously it requires him to think like a destroyer which as we've seen, Beerus tends to goof off quite a bit even when he uses his powers.
@LoserNxt02
Ай бұрын
Ultra ego + yardrat training seems op to me lol
@colinward6737
Ай бұрын
He lost the major fights that could have been shining moments for him? Gee, I WONDER WHY?!
@godkingvontez1108
Ай бұрын
Honestly UE would have worked way better for broly
@oliviasmith1810
5 ай бұрын
Plus jiren only fights properly with only one person at the T.O.P and that was goku while goku had to fight with so many powerful fighters at T.O.P....he shatters his limits to the point that he could even kill himself but the solo reason he couldn't able to defeat jiren because UI is completely different form he had in past so it's going to take time for him to completely master Ui same for vegeta last if goku or vegeta keep winning in the end than the story will be boring
@Akyng60
5 күн бұрын
Its only a "letdown" cuz we dnt know the full extent of tech. Even G.O.D havent shown their full abilities yet
@doe7510
4 ай бұрын
beerus said that vegeta will only be able to master it after he doesn't care about his sayion pride and guilt he felt for his planets distruction. once he doesn't care about it he will get really strong
@ZaeTrillz
Ай бұрын
Not to mention, they both lost to granolah. Meaning, neither of them actually beat him. So I don’t really see it as an L. They lost to a wish. Also some say that he can’t use the form anymore, but there’s no proof of that either.
@StreetSeeker
2 ай бұрын
We need a Vegeta training arc, when he masters it he'll be on Gokus level or even better. This rivalry honestly gets better and better
@Lira_orpheus
3 ай бұрын
The thing is, this is entertainment. Making perfect logical sense within the narrative is irrelevant if the form kinda just appears, gets bodied and achieves nothing. Is not exciting, and just fails as a narrative tool.
@azimuddin1890
2 ай бұрын
I’d say yee, but to me, its concept is flawed. It acts like a Zenkai Boost whenever Vegeta is punched so many times, he gets knocked out. To quote one of Carthu’s what if’s “Eventually, you’ll just get punched so hard that you’ll die.” something like that.
@krpowe6663
5 ай бұрын
The sparring match between Goku and Vegeta has nothing to do with Ultra Ego. It was both a lesson for Broly to make him controlling more his power and also a way for Vegeta to show if his training method is good enough. And it turned out that yes, it is, even if he was about to lose, we could notice progress. But I agree concerning Ultra Ego. Indeed he lost his fights the first time he used it but Goku lost his matches too in the Tournament of Power (manga version, not including Kefla...). Then no, indeed, it's not a disappointment. Plus, I've seen a bunch of people calling this form wasted as it only appears in one arc........... We don't know what he plans to do with but it's sure it shall appear again in the future.
@diddleswright2288
29 күн бұрын
Has too. I just hope they can find a utilization for the spirit fission. I'd hate to see that the training Vegeta took on with the yardrats doesn't end with the moro arc
@DaddyFaIIen
2 ай бұрын
When you think about it. UE is kinda like UI omen. He still ain't master it yet. And before goku mastered UI he wasn't allat either.
@simonghostriley-wf9tp
2 ай бұрын
This form is hard ong
@bigzubber
5 ай бұрын
I’m not losing hope on it transforming him into a god, if he doesn’t get a power up where he gets the same outfit as Beerus I’m gonna be pissed, it’s the perfect lead up to him becoming a god, Beerus taught him his form and attaining its true power is how god are created.
@breh760
Ай бұрын
Granolah targets vitals and has an ai that instructs him and shows him the vital points of everyone Gas was wished to be the strongest
@Oobizoobi
Ай бұрын
Saiyans have to lose though to reach greater heights and power level. Literally the greatest ability possible but just means often times, will be outmatched for the first go at something until they have time to recover and then they grow stronger the next battle. That’s why saiyans+ senzu bean is the greatest combination when u think abt it 😅😂
@Leel7077
Күн бұрын
Is the end game of super, Goku being Vegeta's angel?
@user-xv9iv4kv1g
2 ай бұрын
"YEARS" IS AN *ASTRONOMICAL* understatement on the mui and ue forms ... Those were stated to normally take _CENTURIES_ to learn and master and at the -VERY- least multiple DECADES. "years" is crazy😂😂 it isnt even supposed to be possible in a normal human time span
@epicmattyt6564
2 ай бұрын
Most people have ultra egos
@toragon2736
27 күн бұрын
The problem is presentation and effectiveness And as well as epic BG and animation During granolah fight people didnt feel the effectiveness of ultra ego, Jiren back in TOP was untouchable and ultra instinct crossed that line and made a difference noone else could , It helped everyone realise UI could beat jiren and jiren in beatable In granolah , (manga timeline) UE should had won or the UE passive should ve been able to keep up with granolah and always writers mess up vegeta its always so painful to watch I am a goku fan but because i am a goku fan i respect vegeta
@DaityaGod
5 ай бұрын
I mean goku is Saiyan with lowest potential That's why everyone else can reach his level if they put enough proper training but goku train smartly so he is one step ahead
@OKTANE0
Ай бұрын
People who call Ultra Ego a disappointment better be able to do everything perfect the first time they try it.
@diddleswright2288
29 күн бұрын
That makes no sense. They should just provide a valid reason it's a disappointment. Which I think it'd be hard to do
@reddragon100
27 күн бұрын
Literally every form in DB has cool and badass with its introduction. Ultra Ego problem is that Vegeta was rolling on the floor and eating dirt in his first introduction
@OKTANE0
27 күн бұрын
@@reddragon100 Super Saiyan 2 was a child throwing a tantrum, but Vegeta tanking a blow to the head from a strongest character in the Universe is lame?
@yourrudeyoutubewatcher
2 ай бұрын
Not to forget he already improved Ultra Ego one step when fighting alongside Goku in the Granola arc similar to Goku when he was fighting Moro.
@theender9928
4 ай бұрын
To be far he was literally fighting a guy who wished to be the strongest so it wasn’t gonna be an easy win for Vegeta.
@jasontokio1591
Ай бұрын
Vegeta also has the advantage of seeing Ultra Instinct numerous times as it was perfected.
@chill_out_lol
4 ай бұрын
fair, I’d say it’s not really a disappointment because it’s perfect for vegeta basing on his ego being almost limitless and same for goku, but his bieng honed to perfection which also suits his character aswell. So in my opinion they’re both perfect for the user
@bbqsauce890
2 ай бұрын
UE is a disappointment, saying it isn't is like saying UI Sign vs. Kefla wasn't a disappointment if UI Sign ran out before Goku could finish off Kefla, or if UI lost vs. Jiren in the manga, this was supposed to be Vegeta's time to shine and instead he became a punching bag that looked scary, this was supposed to be the technique Vegeta could rely on going forward, but because he was facing a major villain Toyotaro decided that he had to lose because only Goku's allowed to finish off the main villain 😒, DBS's inability to give Vegeta a significant win really harms Vegeta as a character overall, because while he might look all scary and powerful and intimidating, in actuality his K/D ratio is in the gutter
@evandruen244
20 күн бұрын
They can just go to the haperbolick chamber using there new forms and get the experience needed instead of it taking years to master😊
@Brasswendigo
29 күн бұрын
I find it ironic after showing humility when learning spirit control he flips back into this. There's not even a martial arts philosophical principle behind this form, like with how UI represents mushin. Ego is self pride, and this is nothing new to who we thought was a developed character. GTs vegeta was better, even with the stache.
@KortisKortis
3 ай бұрын
Fun fact ultra ego does not use divine ki
@yeshayahus.1941
3 ай бұрын
Destruction Ki he’s learning from Beerus the god of destruction is not divine ki?
@isaacbot19
5 ай бұрын
Just remember the movies are before the manga so don’t use manga power levels over movie clips and goku couldn’t tap into ui again until he was trained to use it
@XEzomoX
5 ай бұрын
No. The super hero movie take place after
@ShivSingh-io5eh
5 ай бұрын
Yeah, the comment above me is correct. The events of dbs super hero take place after the moro and granolah arc.
@j.i.k2.044
5 ай бұрын
If UE Vegeta sucks because he did not defeat Granola or Gas then SSJ4 Vegeta must suck even more since he lost all battles he engaged in and he never once dominated anyone 🤷🏿♂️
@Ohthatguy1.5
3 ай бұрын
MUE finna go crazy
@losttraveler708
Ай бұрын
Uh years of practice? Yea they're not even usually available to mortals ._.
@karimali9699
Ай бұрын
Design wise no, but giving vegeta a completely new form that has never been seen before, just to get his ass handed to him is nasty
@HallowedGreaves
3 ай бұрын
I think it's disappointing that he lost his eyebrows. It didn't look good with SSJ3, it won't look good now. Just give my boy his eyebrows back.
@jaimykun8195
29 күн бұрын
Also to npt forget vegeta was tanking to much dmg while having ue and also goku rly only began using ui near the end of moro arc where he could actually use it on Will where in ToP waw just random? Idk how to say in ToP it wasn't rly goku using it on his own will
@thatguyyouknow3931
Ай бұрын
Definitely not a disappointment
@Illinaut552
2 ай бұрын
Nah, ultra ego while in manga form feels less hype, you got to remember it's literally his first time using it. Goku had to train with an angel and then see that angel get erased for him to properly master the ultra instinct form and he still hasn't learned to use it in base state like he should. Ultra ego will definitely get stronger and better overtime. Not to mention he never really lost a fight until black frieza one shot him and goku, he got beat up a lot but he never went down
@user-qg8kd4nj9c
2 ай бұрын
After every single power up vegeta has ever had since the saiyan saga, he gets beat up immediately after
@drewgrffn3880
5 ай бұрын
He just got it, he still has to master it
@pt5728
3 ай бұрын
Goku got mastered UI in a 48 minute tournament
@zero-yb2rm
Ай бұрын
Ok first Goku hasn’t had ui since the tournament he said in the Moro arc he hadn’t been able to activate it since the tournament we see in his fight against broly when he goes from god to blue for a small moment he activated the ui aura showing he tried to do it but had to fall back on blue cus he couldn’t do it. And even then when he pulled ui out he made legal look goofy af vegeta spoke a big game and as usual couldn’t handle the one thing the form needs to be useful
@clydebrooks3342
Ай бұрын
Somebody be a real one and reply to this when they add this to the anime
@lilglitch8956
Ай бұрын
Neither can do it raw both have to be pushed to unleash it still
@mo4meh
3 ай бұрын
took vegeta almost 50 years to chill the fuck out lol
@NeinKyori
Ай бұрын
Conceptually UE is just not as cool and unique UI is auto defense and counter with massive stat boost UE is just power growth mid-battle. Something Saiyans already do, especially Broly Not only that, UE’s growth condition is taking damage while Broly’s condition is enraged. Enrage exchange skill for raw power boost which has many drawbacks, but at least it does not weaken you like taking damage do. As we clearly saw, there’s a certain breakpoint where the power decrease from taking damage would even out the increase from UE, and then any more damage taken would just weaken you. There’s many types of “get hit, gain power” ability throughout fiction Vegeta’s UE falls into the lower-end of it where users actually take damage but the growth rate isn’t worth it. Imagine it in game mechanic, you gain 99% dmg boost at 1% hp. But if your opps can beat you to 1% hp then they’d already outmatched you anyway. For Vegeta the hp to power exchange rate even get worse overtime until it reach zero beyond the breakpoint The better version of these type “take hit, gain power” would be something more like Sebastian Shaw from X-men (comic) where he absorb the hits taken so he gain power boost without any injuries. Shaw does have absorbtion limit where the energy overload would knock him out, but below that limit he just doesn’t take any injuries and thus could keep fighting
@nanomalefico3136
Ай бұрын
But put in count that UI is more difficoult to master than UE. In fact the gods of destraction who are milions years old hadn't eaven achive it yet.
@Based1real
2 ай бұрын
Maybe ue has a basic form like ultra instinct sign and that’s what we saw
@Lego-raditz1
Ай бұрын
Now we need masterd ultra ego (the difference is long hair like ssj3 😂)
@Kakarot736_16
2 ай бұрын
Ultra ego perfect for vegeta because vegeta always gets beat up at least he gets stronger
@user-bd7hu3me8n
2 ай бұрын
No and it’s because vegeta learned it UE but has not MUE. Goku has not only learned UI But he has MUI. And vegeta has to train under lazy Beerus where Whis favors goku.
@cooler2727
Ай бұрын
He took back to back L's with Ultra Ego in its debut fight. At least Goku beat a few people with Ultra Instinct during its debut fight.
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