I notice that he totally avoided the question of whether black people's belief in "white privilege" isn't also "racial resentment". I don't particularly care at this point whether he's "trying to change hearts and minds", as he keeps repeating. I care whether he can justify ascribing the negative outcomes to "whiteness". I don't think he does and that overshadows all the interesting points he makes about structures.
@liberallatino
Жыл бұрын
Yep, he also fails to define "whiteness" and fails to address the fact that if he used "blackness" in a similar manner, he would not only immediately turn off most black people, but be branded a racist and hounded out of a job, and seems to think that because he's not Ibram Kendi or Robin Diangelo he's somehow not engaged in toxically framing "whiteness" as negative. He's loathesome IMO and makes me hate Woke Dems even more than I do.
@johnsagnella1614
Жыл бұрын
ageed. He sees white people who support the left as good and thosr wjo support the right as bad. Also, not wanting to pay taxes that support millions of illegals is not necessarily racist; it is certainly socio-political.
@brianmeen2158
Жыл бұрын
Agree completely. Not only is the definition(that he gave) of whiteness very slippery and irrational it’s a very divisive term . What surprises me is how people like him that use that term don’t realize this….?
@kutie216
Жыл бұрын
@@brianmeen2158 Well it makes sense when you understand jews do not consider themselves white. He understands perfectly how divisive it is but he doesn’t care and is using the term exactly the way he intended to.
@brianmeen2158
Жыл бұрын
@@kutie216 many Jews do consider themselves to be white though . Others do whenever it works well for them .. that said I try to see Jonathan as being “good faith” but the more I listened to him the more I almost put him into the “enemy” box . I don’t know
@jojolina7
Жыл бұрын
As someone who lives near SF, which has more money than God and pours money into social issues constantly, money doesn’t solve complete break downs in society. There has to be a sense of law and order.
@theotherview1716
Жыл бұрын
Law and order 😮 ya mean whiteness??
@rfphill
Жыл бұрын
@@theotherview1716 I honestly don't know what is expected of me anymore, being white, being told that anything representing order, lawfulness, timeliness, ambition, safety, accountability, good fences, yada yada yada, is the ambition of whiteness and a white society
@hotdiggityd
Жыл бұрын
Order comes from structure. Structure is impossible without infrastructure to support it. I think it's important that there are people out there arguing for it, even if we might disagree on some of the fundamentals of how we get there.
@alementary4065
Жыл бұрын
@@theotherview1716 generally, yes.
@vlndfee6481
Жыл бұрын
So True! It starts with morals. No lying, no stealing, no envy, No false witness. Police shouls punish that... I mean catch them and righteous judge should without looking at a person judge the issues: everyone equal.. wrong=wrong.
@StigHelmer
Жыл бұрын
What an awful racist... it's good that Coleman allowed him expose himself.
@Gearsturfs
6 ай бұрын
No he didn’t they had a good conversation you weirdo
@brianmeen2158
Жыл бұрын
I’m confused . Jonathan talks about how everything is tribal and puts races against each other - he then writes a book called “is Whiteness killing us?”.. is that not throwing more gasoline on the fire that he wants to put out ..? Oh and the concept of “whiteness” still doesn’t make sense to me. The way he described it is like it’s a shape shifting term that you can just use whenever you want and then pull it back Props to Jonathan for coming on the show though
@bb4726-h5e
Жыл бұрын
Vague, obscure, and opaque are words that I would use to describe this person’s argument. I don’t know what he’s talking about, and I’m pretty sure he doesn’t either.
@daffyduck4674
Жыл бұрын
I think it’s pretty revealing that gently pushed to defend the concept of ‘whiteness’ or the framing of issues in such terms he quickly descends into utter gibberish and spends most of his time backtracking and pointing out what it’s not. He also doesn’t seem to grasp that saying he rejects some of the even more absurdly essentialist definitions of the term just undermines him even further, as it just highlights the extent to which it’s little more than an empty rhetorical trick that someone if they play with words enough can make virtually anything be an example of ‘whiteness’. He gives the impression that deep down he understands it’s an empty unscientific term but clings to it because with a certain crowd it gives him a particular cache and a hearing he wouldn’t get otherwise. I also wonder if he regrets be decent enough to be challenged by Coleman, as it does little but highlight why so few of these kinds of scholars are willing to be directly challenged. Their framing is simply a house of cards. If anyone is genuinely interested in these topics being investigated robustly, they’re far better listening/reading the work of someone like Nobel Laureate Angus Deaton & his wife. Ironically, if he completely abandoned his habit of trying to fall back on a racial framing for everything, he often talked a lot of sense & even more ironically rightly identified polarisation on identitarian lines as massive barrier to progress or rectifying problems. Sadly he seemed utterly oblivious to the role his & other rhetorical framing plays in the very thing he decries.
@wolfwind1
Жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis. Quite true.
@christianstewart8442
Жыл бұрын
It's fascinating that he seems to just assume that we all agree that being anti-government is racial resentment. If I don't like endless wars and police violence and corporate cronyism then that's somehow racism.
@liamgallagherful
Жыл бұрын
Every time Coleman breaths heavily into the mic I expect alt universe Coleman to flip out on his guest with how he really feels. 😂
@boomgatbing
Жыл бұрын
Great conversation. I was sorry that you couldn't needle him on his definition of 'whiteness' a bit more (I remain totally unsure what he means by it), but amazing job keeping things moving along and civil.
@bentray1908
Жыл бұрын
This guest gives me the creeps
@bentray1908
Жыл бұрын
Gross slurping
@bentray1908
Жыл бұрын
Weird young movement
@bentray1908
Жыл бұрын
This guy is a Dr of BS IMO
@bentray1908
Жыл бұрын
I think he's trying to do a Sam herris Robert sopolsky mashup voice to cover for his midwitism
@JonathanRossRogers
Жыл бұрын
20:35 Making moral assumptions about people who are politically different is central to Metzl's thesis.
@thecornypen
Жыл бұрын
Was there any mention of FREEDOM as a motivating force for attitudes and policies?
@edwinamendelssohn5129
Жыл бұрын
No, he is misrepresenting republicans
@LS-xs7sg
Жыл бұрын
Isnt it possible that tribalism is also simply a consequence of the growing diversity of the country? Now that no people or culture dominate society each group is starting to realise the importance of negotiating its position within the power structure. I realise Coleman doesn't like identification with racial identity but ethnic/ancestral identification is pretty hardwired into the human condition - it is going to be difficult to get rid of.
@Jopacob
Жыл бұрын
This was a frustrating interview in that Dr Metzl seems to have not considered the many points Coleman raises which are totally logical inquiry which leads me to suspect his Book(s) maybe many pages of fitting stats to a narrative rather than genuine scientific enquiry. It seems Metzl has never had any real interviews but instead 5 minute Morning Show Advertorials/Book promos replete with adoring, nodding media heads (none which read the book) simply reading his listed credentials (3 degrees) and therefore promoting every thought bubble he exposes.
@zakmendoza8817
11 ай бұрын
lol, now *this* was a read
@Sam-kp7ti
Жыл бұрын
lovin it!
@jhonklan3794
Жыл бұрын
I can respect this guy and his views. He is even headed and explains his thinking clearly.
@NicholasWongCQ
Жыл бұрын
I know Coleman is trying to have a more balanced show that platforms more diversed viewpoints, but these episodes are just painful to watch. These people simply don't answer any of the core questions at all.
@brianmeen2158
Жыл бұрын
It’s very obvious that they’ve never had most of their ideas challenged .
@gennasommers8485
Жыл бұрын
He could have made his points with out using whiteness, he makes it out like it was on accident , but he’s literally the guy who attended classes that ended in “studies”
@prybarknives
Жыл бұрын
Make any gun law you want, it will just raise the prices on the secondarily. Heres what's out there, just produced since 1990 😂 "The NSSF shows 17.7 million modern sporting rifles produced from 1990-2017. The ATF data for the same timeframe on pistols is just over 52.4 million. Those combined equal to around 70.1 million semiautomatic handguns and rifles. If that's divided by the 423 million firearms owned, the percentage comes to about 17%."
@silmaril8989
Жыл бұрын
You know, if I wouldn't be familiar with the current social justice movement (prevalent in the USA) the question on his book would come off as racist. Wasn't connecting skin colour with something (quite) bad considered racist not that long ago? But I know that they don't mean skin colour with words like "whiteness", they mean... something unrelated to skin colour that has everything to do with skin colour and is just going to be arbitrarily applied to whatever is needed. Logical!
@jimwaxer8166
Жыл бұрын
A good portion of what he was talking about is similar to what Michael Sandel talked about a few years ago when he talked about how people get private booths at sporting events and no longer interact with different socioeconomic groups and that leads to infrastructure problems and when you look at what behavior economists see that people are willing to hurt themselves or sacrifice their personal interests to get what they think is justice or revenge. They think they are being noble. In any case, the term whiteness should not be used because I see a lot of people get a knee jerk reaction and cannot really listen after hearing that term.
@CorneliusWellingtonIII
9 ай бұрын
What a well spoken brainwashed individual
@roccitynewyork490
Жыл бұрын
The guy that thinks descendants of enslaved people don't deserve or shouldn't get reparations.👀
@mrpopo8298
Жыл бұрын
They don't, he's right about that. And I am saying this as a descendant of slaves.
@djgroopz4952
Жыл бұрын
No one alive today was a slave. Most people who pay taxes in America today are not descendants of slave owners. Many black people aren't descendants of American slaves. Would African also pay their share of reparations? So many questions...
@manofculture584
Жыл бұрын
Good.
@SeleckPlays
Жыл бұрын
I respect Coleman for having this guest on, but I do not respect this guest. He's a clown.
@AncientRylanor69
Жыл бұрын
f
@mm5478
Жыл бұрын
Does Coleman have asthma or is he just rude?
@joshuathompson6690
Жыл бұрын
I was prepared to have to wait to hear the things he was acting differently about in person than the way he talked about it in the book. Not even 5 minutes into it just listening to the way he talks about whiteness is just cringe, like you know what you meant bro....
@ssx3godlevelrunner
Жыл бұрын
I love this, but it’s hard to watch because you just kinda cringe at watching that guys arguments get torn apart on an podcast setting like this lmao
@chrisb1805
Жыл бұрын
I don't disagree with much of what Dr. Metzl is saying but I think he picked "whiteness" in his book title to help sell. That is not respectable.
@davegold
Жыл бұрын
Every country has a debate on whether to invest in projects to improve national health. Only in America is 'whiteness' brought into that debate.
@lancewalker2595
Жыл бұрын
The suicide rate in Europe, among the very same “demographic” (whites), is identical to the rate of suicide in the US despite their lack of access to any firearms whatsoever…. those without guns simply tie a noose. As it turns out, committing suicide is not terribly difficult to achieve for those intent on doing so, given that he is a sociologist I presume he is aware of this fact, the fact that the facts did not prevent him from making such an erroneous case for gun control is deeply disqualifying and sadly to be expected from a person in his “field” of “expertise”. Lies by omission are still lies, I hope you learn that lesson Mr. Metzl, rather than continuing down this path of abusing your credentials to further your own egoic pursuits.
@simplulo
Жыл бұрын
I'm as irked by "whiteness" as by "blackness". Sure, there are stereotypes, and they provide the basis of some funny jokes. But when they become prescriptive instead of descriptive, black kids get taunted for "acting white" when they do their homework and come to school on time. A multi-racial guy like me gets taunted for being "not really black". The modern Left is trying to exacerbate racial divisions, not erase them.
@Boethius411
Жыл бұрын
Read Coleman’s description. Particularly the part about distance between what he’s willing to defend in the interview versus what he claims is his book. I’m thinking Coleman was disappointed that he didn’t hold his feet to the fire over more grifter claims he made in his book, not just the title.
@JohnSmith-hs1hn
Жыл бұрын
Stop being so politically correct.
@LeviNotik
Жыл бұрын
Coleman, this format of bringing on guests, especially those with whom you disagree with on some core claims/ideas, and putting their ideas to the fire is a great format. Really great job. I want to see more of this.
@brianmeen2158
Жыл бұрын
Coleman has invited many that he disagrees with - only a few like Metzl agree .. but yes these conversations are nice
@LeviNotik
Жыл бұрын
@@brianmeen2158 For sure. They rarely have the courage to do so. I give Jonathan props for his willingness to do this. Vincent Lloyd was the other recent guest who agreed to come on despite obvious differences of opinion. Enjoying these.
@brianmeen2158
Жыл бұрын
@@LeviNotikwhat did you think of Jonathan’s definition of whiteness?
@LeviNotik
Жыл бұрын
@@brianmeen2158 It was awful. His definition: "the politics of what I call racial resentment the idea of a kind of anti-government anti-immigrant pro-gun, make America great again kind of politics that that's really the operative definition in my book" This has nothing to do with white people per se or with being white, etc. Those ideas have no relation to race whatsoever and I think it's pretty clear, as Coleman tried to get at, calling this "whiteness" serves no purpose whatsoever; it's completely vacuous.
@malikfo1941
Жыл бұрын
@@LeviNotik I agree the term is clumsy, but somehow it seems that whatever term you use, some fraction of people would get offended when you point out the fact that it is majority white people that support such policies. But I'd say forget about this term, if you feel triggered by it and listen to the arguments that he presented. They make a lot of sense.
@randomcommenteronyoutube1055
Жыл бұрын
Another reminder that the ivory tower left's attitude towards "deplorables" has not changed since What's the Matter with Kansas.
@slicersharp
Жыл бұрын
I saw Coleman in the subway couple months ago , was great meeting you my guy . Big ups n respect from a yard mam
@theotherview1716
Жыл бұрын
Love Coleman but he should bring on either Jared Taylor, Keith Woods, or the other side like an Amy Goodman
@Zandor434
Жыл бұрын
Coleman is getting so good at these discussions. I appreciate how much Coleman works to flesh out his own blind spots. It gives him so much credibility with me. When he says something I disagree with, I find myself questioning my own assumptions. So appreciative for Coleman’s work
@sifridbassoon
Жыл бұрын
ok, i'm 20 minutes in and the guest has already admitted that he chose to study a particular demographic because (he assumed) it demonstrated a particular quality, and suprise! it did. Some people might call that a bias. He says he can't define racism and doesn't know whether someone is racist or not, and then in the next sentence he procedes to tar an entire group of people with the epithet. You'd think that with all these degrees he has, somewhere along the way he would have learned how to set up an unbiased research project.
@brianmeen2158
Жыл бұрын
Agree and I’m not sure about you but I think the term racism has been so overused and used where it doesn’t line up that it no longer has any meaning. Our country has gone “race crazy” and it has made talking about it rather pointless . That’s the way I see it anyways
@sunnyla2835
Жыл бұрын
Agree, Mensa Metzl is completely blinded by his own class privileged elitism.
@kutie216
Жыл бұрын
He doesn’t consider himself white. He is jewish.
@divinegon4671
Жыл бұрын
@@brianmeen2158 it’s because our country is become less majority white and more diverse. That means racial tensions will go up and up and up. Without a white core… it’s a mish mash of whatever.
@soilman6725
Жыл бұрын
Metzel is trying to make money by selling a book filled with unsubstantiated ideas that omits the real facts on medical, criminal, and sociological issues in America. To put it short, he's white bread trying to pretend he cares while selling you garbage. 😅
@Knardsh
Жыл бұрын
To answer your question. Push harder against flighty answers.
@cdcaleo
Жыл бұрын
Definitely. The author lives in an academic bubble, and clearly has no real life experience with the deplorables he claims he wants to help. I'm glad Coleman had him on, but this man is actually insufferably arrogant in regard to his own lack of lived experience, and his positions are basically shallow talking points that won't hold up to intense scrutiny.
@tomspaghetti
Жыл бұрын
Great interview, Its hard to push back when you want the person in the hot seat to feel comfortable enough to express their views open and honestly. In this respect Coleman always does a wonderful job.
@brianmeen2158
Жыл бұрын
Coleman is not a “gotcha” interviewer and that’s a very good thing.
@LeviNotik
Жыл бұрын
Very well said, it's a really tough balance to strike.
@theotherview1716
Жыл бұрын
He should bring on Keith Woods
@biblicalworldview1
Жыл бұрын
It's funny how the last couple guess he had on that were more on the woke side really downplayed their claims when they were talking to Coleman.
@jojolina7
Жыл бұрын
That story at the beginning sounds way too stereotypically convenient for his pre conceived thoughts. I’m skeptical.
@brianmeen2158
Жыл бұрын
I hear you. I’m trying to keep an open mind but I’ve heard people like him speak before and they tend to all think the same way. You know where it’s going right off the bat .
@tap_water872
Жыл бұрын
no, its real. black doctors routinely get told by white patients that they wont be treated by black doctors.
@brangrah1717
Жыл бұрын
".....and then he twirled his mustache while laughing maniacally!"
@TriteNight1218
Жыл бұрын
Seriously. I'm picturing a white guy with a cowboy hat spitting into a spittoon right after he says "Mexicans and welfare queens!".
@Dockeysnakee
Жыл бұрын
@@tap_water872 only rational considering black doctors are worse than white ones because of affirmative action.
@neilolson3220
Жыл бұрын
I hope this will land correctly: Does this fellow understand that the plural of anecdote is NOT data ?
@nicholaslaport3354
7 ай бұрын
Excellent point lol. It does seem like he conflates the two things.
@levelm0007
Жыл бұрын
Well done Coleman! As to whether you should hold the interviewee to precise claims or just talk to the person in the room, I would offer you should strive to do both and perhaps more severely. You are gifted in your ability to sniff out BS on the fly while keeping the conversation going. That said there is nothing more icky than watching a sophist race hustler or any such enabler walk away scot free after an interview. Praise the good ideas, then go for the KO, then help them back to their feet. So something like this: “…that’s a very interesting point, but I’d like to return to my question ‘What does the concept of Whiteness add to the diagnosis of self-destructive GOP policies?’ I’ve pressed the point twice, you have doubled down on your concept of ‘white racial resentment’ as an answer. I think that rings of a tautology to my viewers. So to recap, you have said you have no knowledge of the mean attitudes across the GOP other than anecdotal evidence, and you appear to agree with me that partisanship is a reasonable framing of the subject. You lament policies that sow social friction and zero-sum thinking, but title your book "Dying of Whiteness: How the Politics of Racial Resentment Is Killing America's Heartland"? You have also said that you might title the book something differently today. So which is it? Are you sold on the racialized framing or not? Can you give us your most cogent argument as to why Whiteness is the best way to view self-destruction GOP policies?” Then comes more sophist contortions and digressions, you bat them down one by one, and failing the revelation of a cogent argument you step in and say, “look I don’t want to belabor the point, but you have offered at best a toehold on an argument to warrant the primacy of race on this subject. That shouldn’t be. To justify racialist framing you should have a rock solid argument. By being unclear, you contribute to the chorus of divisive rhetoric that hurts us as a society. That relentless barrage of bad reporting and scholarship on racial issues has not only trained a new generation of activists to essentially ignore sociologically rigor, but has led to bad policies that kill the very people one seeks to protect - which certainly goes back to your thesis.” So as he picks up his teeth from the carpet, segue into the harms of social media. Dust him off. Talk shoulder to shoulder about the things you agree with. He will recover and you will not have a nagging doubt at the end of the interview. My two cents, if that.
@bettywilson5515
Жыл бұрын
Bravo!
@galaxytrio
Жыл бұрын
I would have enjoyed that quite a bit. The mild and evasive Dr. Metzl is a race hustler. I don't think attacking so forcefully is Coleman's style.
@mjohnson1741
Жыл бұрын
@@galaxytrio There is also colorblind races hustlers as well.
@jhonklan3794
Жыл бұрын
lmao, you support ideological rigidity. This guy had a unique perspective and explained it well. Dont be such a baby.
@galaxytrio
Жыл бұрын
Smart.
@TannerDunning
Жыл бұрын
"Do I just talk to the person I'm meeting in the room? Or do I hold people accountable to the precise claims that they made in the book? don't really know." @ColemanHughesOfficial interesting question. Unfortunately i think the interviewee is compromised as soon as you notice this and it should be addressed. The value of the interview is already lost. I know you dont want them to walk off but i think its important to hold people accountable. Shame is a useful tool for maintaining standards in society. Most likely theyd just double down and pull back their real self or even walk off but if that happens we didnt want to hear what they had to say anyways.
@aptkeyboard3173
Жыл бұрын
I think this guest is a bit out of touch with the middle America that he thinks is so toxic
@whatarewedoingouthere
Жыл бұрын
Mics are too hot. I’ve been noticing this on Coleman’s podcasts lately.
@rooruffneck
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'm hearing lots of swalling and inner throat movements.
@brianmeen2158
Жыл бұрын
@@rooruffneck I do hear some breathing through the nose most of which I could do without. Overall it’s not too bad though
@MattHunX
Жыл бұрын
Coleman could do some deep-sigh ASMR. :)
@Godocker
Жыл бұрын
I think that if you have a guest who is willing to make different claims to what they write, then it can help to have some quotes on hand of the more inscindiary things that they might have said. "So if I can summarise your position, you mean that x, do I have that right?" "Okay... well that is interesting, because in your book you said y". Also, I just find it incredibly interesting that he is willing to hide behind "well, it's not my statement". I understand that writing a book is not a literature review, but I feel like the honus is on you to actually check that you are citing valid studies with good methodology before including them in a book them you are putting your name behind.
@hermitpermit2553
Жыл бұрын
Coleman is the most balanced person i've come across, the world needs you dude
@gabrielsyme4180
Жыл бұрын
You know this man is a snake by the way he hisses when he speaks. 🐍
@igelkott3522
Жыл бұрын
I think you should press him on the things he doesn’t want to talk about. I feel conflicted listening to this because as a policy I no longer humor these types of ideas, it’s a bit like debating the roundness of earth at this point. Also by ignoring them I think their ideas will lose merit.
@galaxytrio
Жыл бұрын
Metzl's use of "whiteness" to describe racial resentment and/or GOP partisanship is as reprehensible as it is irrational. However, it might have been expedient.
@brianmeen2158
Жыл бұрын
Irrational and quite divisive I must add. His line “there are several ways to being white” just had me rolling my eyes .
@galaxytrio
Жыл бұрын
@@brianmeen2158 Quite. Sell a book with a term created to refer to white people's supposed inclination to see non-white people as inferior, claim you meant something else and dodge when asked to justify. Appalling.
@kutie216
Жыл бұрын
Well he’s jewish so he’s already conveniently excluded himself from the “white” group.
@galaxytrio
Жыл бұрын
@@brianmeen2158 As many as "several"? Generous of him, and not racist at all, to collapse all white people to "several" types vs just one.
@changingworld2
Жыл бұрын
Bless him. I have heard no data yet. I have heard only stories. Thomas Sowell would debunk his claims immediately. Perhaps an economic degree would be helpful??
@TheCraigrobson
Жыл бұрын
American discourse is basically just class based with a random mesh of race over the top. So many times in this conversation he spoke about class problems and then just labelled whatever is bad in those circumstances as “white” I would love to ask him what utility the concept of whiteness has in a situation where, for-example, a whole cohort of black conservatives voted for things he described as bad. Are they “acting white”? Do they have “internalised whiteness”? How do these concepts help at all?
@jon4139
Жыл бұрын
because white bad
@LeviNotik
Жыл бұрын
The audio sounds...not good
@-Gorbi-
Жыл бұрын
The minute someone tries to explain whiteness to me, I know I’m going to be explaining a lot about Maoism and neo-marxism to them
@brianmeen2158
Жыл бұрын
Yep. The concepts of “whiteness” and “blackness” still do not make any sense to me .
@glocofrmrxncho1836
Жыл бұрын
We live in America where it's asked on a census. It's a measure....it'll always be a topic.
@liberallatino
Жыл бұрын
@@glocofrmrxncho1836 What are you talking about? Since when does the census measure "whiteness"? Just because you are counting how many whites, blacks, Latinos, etc there are, doesn't mean they are measuring "whiteness". This jerk Coleman is interviewing can't define "whiteness" himself but you're claiming the census does?
@brianmeen2158
Жыл бұрын
@@glocofrmrxncho1836 whiteness is on the census?
@glocofrmrxncho1836
Жыл бұрын
@@brianmeen2158 racial classifications are. Baseline for identity politics.
@swcordovaf
Жыл бұрын
Touché! Planned parenthood! We just look at the racist history we like. Fantastic point Coleman.
@SevenRiderAirForce
Жыл бұрын
Same thing with the NRA - "Were they wrong?" God, I'm not even mad about any of the specific politics, I'm mad that his arguments are just so consistently cliche and shitty. Give me some meat here!
@umarujalloh2962
Жыл бұрын
Great talk ! It was good seeing on CNN yesterday Coleman ! It is nice that they are trying to add different perspectives to their news segments.
@TheSpinoza43221
Жыл бұрын
Just as an FYI USA is ranked number 4 as of 2019 on money spent per student and if you expand that to money spent over the last 30 years, USA is number 1. That's right the USA has spent more money per student collectively over the last 30 years than any other country in the world.
@StarBadger07
Жыл бұрын
The kids can't read
@Grimthings
Жыл бұрын
@@StarBadger07 Kids- I want to learn to read and be able to balance a budget. Public Schools- Hey kids, men can have periods.
@steelpainter
Жыл бұрын
But also, US students graduate with roughly 10 times the amount of debt of students in other countries, or other developed countries provide third level education free at point of access, just like public elementary and high school for a much lower cost per student. What is more accurate is that the US government gives that very large amount of money proportional to individual students . . . to universities and technical institutes, and their ancillary organisations like administration, sports teams, research labs, and, yes, hedge funds and investment portfolios. That doesn't necessarily mean undergrad students themselves derive value from that spend at course level.
@landonfire4589
Жыл бұрын
@StarBadger yeah but they know 2+2=5
@4x4r974
Жыл бұрын
@@steelpainter free at the point of access with tax rates at 60%. get it right. im from the EU countries that do this and it is shit. there is no social mobility and there will never be. at least in the US they can cut down on admin costs and colleges with endowments in the billions can remove tuition fees altogether. EU has nothing it can do to reduce 60% tax rates lol
@tryingmybest1
Жыл бұрын
Got to feel for the guy. He planned to release this book for a media climate that peaked and disappeared. His publisher may have strongly recommended emphasizing the "whiteness" angle. Now he has to walk it back in an awkward way. The research may be interesting, but is completely undermined by the confusion that terminology and approach creates.
@danepaulstewart8464
Жыл бұрын
At 23:20 Mr. Hughes really torpedoes the bulk of the Author’s assertions. His response sounded highly similar to the rhetoric of the far left white apologists, and what he seems oblivious of, and what Mr. Hughes was getting at, is that the message is delivered IN the terminology,(obviously) and that the terminology itself IS divisive and is the major driver of our racial divide. By the end, I was very disappointed in the Author by how he was unable to answer so many of Mr. Hughes questions. While he could document the policies and he could document later outcomes, he didn’t display much understanding of how and why. With this much time since publishing, he really has no excuse for being so under-prepared.
@liberallatino
Жыл бұрын
Well said but I doubt the author sees himself as wrong. He has almost certainly been and will continue to be praised by his fellow academics and most of the people in his Woke bubble. He seems to believe that because he's not Ibram Kendi or Robin D'Angelo (who have been praised/handsomely paid by most institutions), his use of divisive and offensive terms is not really a problem. He can't seem to wrap his mind around the very simple idea that if he (or a black academic) were to link "blackness" to negative outcomes, he (or they) would immediately be condemned as "dangerous" and engaging in "hate speech" by every liberal with a platform.
@brianmeen2158
Жыл бұрын
Same nagging question I have - how do people like Jonathan and Diangelo throw around that term and not see how divisive it is? It’s common sense to me really that it is .. like Coleman said - flip the word to “blackness” and ascribe a handful of negative traits that some blacks have to it and write “is Blackness killing us?”.. it is very racist and divisive . People in that chamber on the left just must think much differently than I do .
@brianmeen2158
Жыл бұрын
@@liberallatino but it’s such a glaring issue . Has no one ever pointed that out to him before Coleman did? How does he not realize that on his own? Echo chamber indeed Worse yet he seems completely unable to see how BLM and certain aspects of “anti racism” are what’s making racism worse, not structures that are being built
@shettywap
Жыл бұрын
@Brian Meen, I think the crux of their argument is that it doesn't and can not go both ways. There is no such thing as flipping it, and never mind the fact that name and word association has no political sentience per se, because black people can not be racist. If it's labeled as prejudice, this type of description takes a back seat to the ever looming presence of racism. White people are always in the driver's seat, and minorities are always in the trunk, so to speak. I've tried flipping an argument to the opposing group before, only to be swiftly rebuffed because their argument is not flipabble. There is no, minorities do this to white people therefore we're working under the same rules. The game is rigged from the beginning in their mind, so the argument, which works to their advantage, can only exist in their favor. For people on the outside its a clear double standard, but then they'll use the in group out group argument, or any of the other multitude of the historical reasons it can not work that way. They're simply playing by a different set of rules within the same game.
@SevenRiderAirForce
Жыл бұрын
@@shettywap That whole "minority group can't be oppressive" is historically and factually bunk. Thomas Sowell's books go over international history that test that hypothesis and put it to shame. And even if there weren't such evidence, their argument is based not on the ideal of equality, but merely a grudge that the wrong people are in power. Thus they are philosophically indistinguishable from the white supremacists they decry, but the two are easily distinguished from liberals who hold equality up as a virtue in its own right. @Brian Meen I thought natural curiosity would lead people like him to at least encounter other arguments but I have met enough people like that to learn that no, they really can go that long in total ignorance.
@bentray1908
Жыл бұрын
Coleman is really leveling up lately.
@theotherview1716
Жыл бұрын
Jared Taylor bring him on
@ColemanHughesOfficial
Жыл бұрын
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@richardfloridaman
Жыл бұрын
I think he has too much whyte privilege and doesn't know anything about blak people and he shouldn't be a professor of African American studies. He soaked up a spot that a blak man should have had. We need less of his supremacy taking spaces...
@thepiccards2105
Жыл бұрын
Every single time
@TriteNight1218
Жыл бұрын
I was wondering if anyone else was going to say it 😂
@sesus6
Жыл бұрын
Yup.
@roxee57
Жыл бұрын
It was interesting to hear him say if the book came out today he might not have called it that. Given the entrenched milieu at the time it was likely the publisher thought it would sell more books. I thought he made some good points about infrastructure that unites, however with everyone addicted to their screens now it’s likely no longer the case “build it and they will come” which is sad.
@Manducket
Жыл бұрын
Good conversation overall, but Jesus. I dont know. It seems pretty obvious that the guy worked backward from whatever conclusion he had on a topic with little regard to any evidence to the contrary. Ots like he never even questions it. Either way, I liked it.
@Michael.Eddington
Жыл бұрын
Interesting conversation. I appreciate folks with his background who are willing to have a straightforward probing of their views.
@williamerdman4888
Жыл бұрын
Of course, its the Republican's fault. THis guy is completely unbiased.
@overtonpendulum2071
Жыл бұрын
Oh so this is quite different than what I thought it would be. When I read the title of the video I was sure this guy was just another of these sociologists who thinks "Whiteness" is some kind of a conspiracy against non Whites and serves to oppress them and that this is going to be the central thesis of his argument here. I am right wing and identify as White, but I'm actually neutral on the specific policies he talks about like gun control, taxes and cutting education (although I do think educations system has become left wing indoctrination). I also think that some degree of resentment against minorities by Whites is understandable and justified given demographic changes, preferential policies and the extremely biased media/higher education.
@leftykiller8344
Жыл бұрын
I greatly enjoyed this conversation. Keep up the great work Coleman!
@limop20
Жыл бұрын
prime exmple of an "anointed" intellectual with "great" social engineering ideas
@samizdat113
Жыл бұрын
Y'all are dying but it's not from whiteness.
@StumblingThroughItAll
Жыл бұрын
"When people think in terms of competition with other groups instead of cooperatively..." we actually develop a politics and policies that lead to the thriving of society, says Metzl as he traffics in Critical Theory. His Critical lens is foundationally based in Marx's Social Conflict Theory, which explicitly posits that society is built by perpetual conflicts between groups.
@eightpoint58
Жыл бұрын
Most black people are not in line to abolish gun rights
@virtualalias
Жыл бұрын
4:14 - Oh, I hate this guy on credentials alone. Going to be an interesting video.
@LiViro1
Жыл бұрын
Ok, 25 minutes in now. And sadly I have to conclude that I still haven't heard anyone from the field of Afri-Ame studies make very much sense ...
Many excellent comments here, but this is the ultimate nutshell. Bravo. It often boils down to the way the interlocutor blandly boils things down.
@sifridbassoon
Жыл бұрын
OK, moving on to the next Coleman video 😁
@julesyb7267
Жыл бұрын
I would have liked to have listened to more of this conversation, and hopefully l will find a transcript. I can't be the only person who does not want to hear someone drink and gulp through a discussion. (Yes, it's misophonia, I know.) I got 15 minutes in and had to shut it off. 😢
@JKweez
Жыл бұрын
He needs a better sound engineer. Very poor audio.
@CoastieVet1984
Жыл бұрын
The guest is assuming that reduction in school funding “leads to” dropouts. As someone who graduated from the Cleveland, OH public schools while they were in receivership in the ‘80s I can say that school funding has NOTHING at all to do with the decision students make to drop out. It may impact the quality of the education but implying causation from an obvious correlation tells a great deal more about his approach than the theory. He chose to spin his data to suit his predetermined outcome. “We missed the opportunity to leverage the pandemic to expand healthcare…” Hmmm….sounds a lot like never let a good crisis go to waste regardless of the actual needs and desires of the governed.
@neftysturd
Жыл бұрын
Gender studies professor.
@psychicspy
Жыл бұрын
Metzl needs to understand that forcing people to interconnect their communities in ways they might not be comfortable with isn't the answer. He needs to recognize that bike lanes also connect criminals to victims.
@CoastieVet1984
Жыл бұрын
As someone who was living in TN when he is talking about this is complete BS.
@Rabbithole11
Жыл бұрын
Parents dropped their kids off at the public pool close to where I live. Kids were out of control. Pool closed down after decades. At the mall, nobody under 17 is allowed without a parent for same reason. Skating rink, same.
@markstuber4731
Жыл бұрын
There's nothing ambiguous about "shall not be infringed.". rorschach test Also, the part about the militia is not a rorschach test if you know about the "right to keep and bear arms in the English Bill of Rights" which the Second Amendment is modeled after. The Catholic Tutor Kings restricted individuals' right to keep and bear arms to weaken Protestant militias. There haven't been slaves in England since the middle ages , serfs are a little different. Therefore the idea that the right to keep and bear arms was conceieved so Southern plantation owners could round up escaped slaves is absurd.
@wilsligh8346
Жыл бұрын
Coleman, this guy makes my ears bleed. I couldn't make it all the way through it, however, I love the way you handle him, keep it up, guy.
@onesquirrel2713
Жыл бұрын
"Let me tell you how much i am concerned about n**ro health outcomes!" - Metzl, in a different timeline, probably.
@CKuhn85
Жыл бұрын
"And if you just look at why people own guns, like, Pew-Pew opinion polls for example..." Pew-Pew! 💥💥🔫🤠
@swcordovaf
Жыл бұрын
The first part of investing in a community is policing it and securing it so that subsequent investing isn’t a waste due to criminal degredation.
@SvenErik_Lindstrom3
Жыл бұрын
Please have Philip Ewell as a guest. The musicologist who has just published a book, where he claims that musicology is racist. John McWhorter's latest NYT column is on it.
@swcordovaf
Жыл бұрын
Lots of discussion of suicide and gun homicide without discussing addiction/alcoholism.
@builditwell
Жыл бұрын
Jonathan Metzl has some very good ideas, in spite of his use of a bit of pathologizing racialist jargon that might sell books but also isn't where Coleman wants to go with public discourse for reasons he has defended ably.
@Jason-su7rz
Жыл бұрын
You are so humble and so important!!
@prybarknives
Жыл бұрын
"I'm talking about the health outcomes of policies, and way those policies use racial resentment to further their aims of getting implemented in the first place, acknowledging that there are... I mean I don't call anyone racist in the book...etc." Right.... saying white people vote for policies based on racial animus isn't calling them racist? Seriously?
@aperera6500
Жыл бұрын
Great job, Coleman. Dr Metzl, was often shown to be wanting in the arguments.
@starbucks3624
Жыл бұрын
About 17 minutes in. I am a practicing physician in this country and as a brown man in this country, I can assure you , I have seen many hundreds of these types who themselves are the racist to the core simply engaged in projection. Tell you guys, one simple thing. Whatever he is interested in studying or researching is making a ton of money for him or his institute and that is all he cares about. He’ll try to defend that in any way possible, manipulate statistics as long as the revenue stream continues to flow
@Muonium1
Жыл бұрын
"And then during my residency I did a degree in poetry theory and and a PhD in critical race theory, and then I was a professor of gender studies and African American studies" Euuugggh. Yuck. This is going to be worthless, I should just stop listening now. ....one hour later...yep I definitely should have stopped listening. Utterly pointless. I'm so tired of giving these people the benefit of doubt and being shown all my suspicions were right every. single. time.
@leonardu6094
Жыл бұрын
Lol, what did the guy say? I'm also skeptical about starting the episode.
@SevenRiderAirForce
Жыл бұрын
@@leonardu6094 He trots out entirely predictable talking points. He cites examples of [racists] doing [things I don't like] to make a case against "whiteness" but leaves out examples Coleman brings up of [racists] doing [things I do like]. He dodges every question. He repeatedly distances himself from his own citations by saying certain things "aren't his research." He seems to prefer anecdotes. He generally comes across like a guy who, as Hitchens once described a priest, sounds like he's never read any of the common counterarguments to any of his positions.
@leonardu6094
Жыл бұрын
@@SevenRiderAirForce damn, i had a suspicion he was going to be a disappointment.
@oceantree5000
Жыл бұрын
The disingenuousness here is powerful. Over and over: “I’m not talking about every single white person/ there’s no one way to be white,” but then a) titles his book “…whiteness,” and then b) defines “whiteness” as basically analogous to MAGAism. Imagine a book about violent crime titled “Dying of Blackness,” etc- it would rightly be panned as inherently, unavoidably racist. Remains baffling how someone with so many degrees could have come to so many specious conclusions. Siiiiiiiigh.
@SevenRiderAirForce
Жыл бұрын
"Is this racial resentment when black people feel this way about white people" This guy's expressions at 23:26 and total avoidance of the question really sums the whole thing up. When pressed on other things, he says "It's not my research" or just dodges the question. Ok, I agree, defunding schools and having kids drop out is pretty damn bad. But ascribing this to whiteness? Really?! All those degrees and he's still that ignorant? And the Coleman stomped out this dishonest tactic - let's point out all the racist things about [people I don't like] but ignore all the racist things by [people I like]. And again! The guy goes after the NRA for "targeted ads" and Coleman says - were they wrong? There were historic rates of violence. The guy just changes the subject or dodges the racial point and goes back to "building infrastructure" which apparently means having city-funded summer camps. The guy cites vague "sociological research that suggests" that you get lower crime rates if you invest. Yeah, maybe if you invest in the goddamn police and enforce the law! Maybe this guy has interesting stories to tell about good and bad policies, but he's a total bigot. I mean just imagine replacing "whiteness" with anything else. "Dying of Jewishness" anyone? What about "Dying of blackness?" Yeah this guy can fuck right off.
@swcordovaf
Жыл бұрын
Coleman at the end is striking hard.
@Shambayamiti
Жыл бұрын
When you fall on a spectrum of gray....not quite black and not quite white, of course you will find the words that define race "toxic". As smart as Coleman is always triggered by blackness.
@psychicspy
Жыл бұрын
I wish he were more specific about "cutting funding for public education" because on the surface it sounds really bad, but upon a deep dive you would find that cutting funding for CRT is a good thing as is ending PRE-K programs that have been shown to produce no measurable positive effects.
@basedcentrist3056
Жыл бұрын
"I don't want to fall back on zero sum formulations where people from different racial groups are against eachother" "So this is whiteness" What a maroon
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