Really great to see you covering XPlane again. Would love to see more content, I’ve been thinking of trying XP12 but have held back. Would love to hear your impressions if you were to spend more time tinkering with the sim. Take a well deserved break from all the headset impressions and reviews, enjoy what you love, flying ❤
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
Your comment hit the mark mate. Thankyou
@Grale16v
Ай бұрын
@@VRFlightSimGuy No, thank you. Being flight sim nuts, we’re a passionate bunch, but sometimes a bit demanding!
@jakeperl5857
Ай бұрын
I finally uninstalled XP (my first love in flight sims) as I just was never able to get decent VR performance with it compared to MSFS no matter what I tried (4070ti, 13th gen i5, RIFT S - soon to be Pimax Crystal Light). And MSFS continues to make great strides toward equaling and perhaps surpassing XP in the flight model department, depending on the aircraft. Plus, the mental effort of managing 2 ecosystems was really getting old Lol
@4secsharkmr352
Ай бұрын
🎉 great buddy. It was about time to show it. More is always appreciated. Have a great weekend. Thank you very much for that.
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
Hey mate, yes it's about time I started to show more variety. Have a great weekend. My best to you and your family 😊
@darrenbrown3128
Ай бұрын
I love both XP 12 and MSFS. I am a 53 year old student in the real world (there’s no limit on age!), learning in the tomahawk. XP 12’s flight dynamics are superior to MSFS without question but in my case there’s an exception - the Just Flight PA-38 in MSFS uses its own outside coding and the stalls/spins and other flight characteristics put XP to absolute shame with this specific aircraft! If only Asobo would look at and learn from LR’s way of implementing VR, we’d be onto a winner! I’ve ordered a Quest 3 so I can use my real-world charts and kneeboarding in pass-thru. I hope that will gain the ultimate advantage with MSFS. Time will tell… Thank you for your videos bud! 🫡
@durin73
Ай бұрын
MSFS sceneries are superb but XP12 has improved a lot with last update. If you use AutoOrthoXP, then you can get orthophotos and better fps. I use both (MSFS and XP12) and I can find something special in both of them... and of course, please bring XP12 content to the channel please!Thx in advance!!!regards!
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
Much appreciated thankyou :)
@flajflaj
Ай бұрын
Let's admit that the rain effects looks horrible here ;].
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
There are times it looks great, but most of the time, it looks pants 😂
@MODFARMER
Ай бұрын
Like crystal sausages sliding across the windshield. At first I thought it was glitching. But nope. They meant that.
@strider00111
Ай бұрын
Xplane12 has the worst performance in all the sims with VR (Crystal Light here). Unusable in my opinion, unless you lower all the setting to bare minimum.
@MarcusInVR
Ай бұрын
Opposite here for me. With OpenXR, RTX 2060, Pico 4, about 30-40 FPS - medium settings (except textures, that's set to high)
@bj00rn
Ай бұрын
A big nah to that. I did have X-Plane installed for years as an alternative to MSFS, but then came MSFS2020.. And now ~$1000 worth of addons later and MSFS2024 around the next corner, my interest in X-Plane is most likely lost, literally forever.
@Belatu42
Ай бұрын
I love XP12! I actually used XP10, a Pro-Flight Trainer and a rift to run through my lessons again when I was working on my Private Rotorcraft license. I absolutely believe that it saved me time in the cockpit since I passed my checkride at 49 hours and the average is 80. It would be great if LR would add an easy way to switch the graphics settings between VR and pancake life MSFS has or even saved configs like DCS does. Anyway, I regularly use MSFS, DCS and XP12. I love them all! Can’t wait to be able to sling load in MSFS too!
@Lonsome1223
Ай бұрын
I can remember X- plane11 had an excellent replay option.
@Paulwhittall37
Ай бұрын
More XP12 content. Add your scenery add ons and do a VR settings guide please Steve.
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
Rgr that!
@melvilib
Ай бұрын
I hardley ever fly MSFS 2020. I fly XP12 for myself and XP11 for commercial. There is so much more you can do with settings. XP12 was slow starting but comming along nicely. It is a shame that some of the aircraft and scenery developers have turned away, even ignored X-Plane as it doesn't bring in all the 💰
@activex7327
Ай бұрын
Devs left because the sim is dead.
@melvilib
Ай бұрын
@@activex7327 Sure, few left alledgely for ASOBO, but it is far from dead. For what I use X-Plane for MSFS is a non starter. Looks nice though.
@GibsonCRG
Ай бұрын
XP12 is my fave over MSFS, but I’ve avoided VR in it so far. Absolute wish list item would be anything you can share about mixed reality in XP12. I’m ready to drop the coin on one of the really high-end headsets that support a good mixed experience, but only if the tools are there. I don’t mind being on the leading edge but don’t have the time anymore to do the hardcore work of “bleeding” edge 😊
@natasker
Ай бұрын
I'm at a professional college training program and we are very interested in using X-Plane 12 and mixed reality to see if the primary flight maneuvers can be learned more efficiently and to a higher standard. We do not need lovable flight time, but we want to try cohorts to see what effect sim training has vs a control group. Can you help us with ideas for a little unofficial experiment? @VRFlightSimGuy
@geraldstraney6181
Ай бұрын
I fly Xplane exclusively and would definitely like to see more content here.
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
Noted!
@willievstudio
Ай бұрын
I do like the way it looks, except for the rain streaks on the front windscreen. I might give it a try, if they can improve that. Keep us updated Steve and would like to see how it runs on your motion rig as well.
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
Cheers mate
@andyydna5330
Ай бұрын
Liked it very much Steve! I love XP12 in VR 😊
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
Cheers Andy. I'm definitely going to do more I think :)
@H.Despres
Ай бұрын
Use X-Plane 12 with Pimax Crystal via RTX 4090 on DOF H6 with full flight controls…… Aircraft are Toliss Airbuses exclusively with SayIntentions ATC. Also fly the Diamond D42 along with the odd Helicopter. I have all North America and Europe/Asia Ortho scenery files on two 4TB drives. MSFS2020 was removed from my simulator six months ago and I wont go back. I have full fluid motion and visuals and therefore have stopped looking at FPS…. distracting and wrong priority. Would love more X-plane 12 material. Thanks for the content.
@Guerbou
Ай бұрын
I use Pimax Crystal for FS. I love X-Plane 12 but cannot get it to work with Crystal. I tried several options by either starting x-plane 12 in SteamVR Home Environment, or in PC library in Pc. I successfully get in the hangar facing the menu board with normal vision in the headset. It is only when the flight start in the cockpit that I the headset does not connect properly with X-plane as I get vertical color blurry lines, barely seeing the cockpit. I tried different solutions with/without OpenXr and/or PimaxXR, not to avail. I use RTS4090. My settings in X-Plane VR General Settings under the VRHardware menu all is Check ‘ Use OpenXR Runtime, Enable VR Mouse Cursor and both the VR Manipulator Settings’. Could you share how your configuration is setup to get Crystal to work and enjoy X-Plane Vr? Thank you, I much appreciated your time.
@H.Despres
Ай бұрын
@@Guerbou I personally don’t use openXR and have it checked OFF in graphic settings. I use SteamVR with no issues. Curious if it happens with all planes for you?
@Guerbou
Ай бұрын
@@H.Despres Indeed, it is the same phenomena with either Zibo or other planes. I have no Ai plane active, OpenXR is uncheck. Still the same. Thank you for your input.
@Guerbou
Ай бұрын
Finally, got it working with lowering the graphics settings. Tks.
@CaptainKlutz777
Ай бұрын
Good to hear something about X-plane. Basically the difference between MSFS and XP is better visuals against way better flight dynamics. They are much closer to reality, although I can only judge it well on the 737 and 777, which are well known to me in real life. But I didn't get decent VR performance at all, so I went to MSFS. I'm waiting for the perfect balance between those two major aspects, hopefully MSFS 2024 will do a better job on flight dynamics.
@MrMartin0815
Ай бұрын
I do not understand why Microsoft/Asobo did not just cop the great UI for VR from XPlane.
@georgefaulk2528
Ай бұрын
Yes, I remember following along with you and getting a lot of the things you recommend for X-Plane. Countless hours downloading and converting scenery files, buying software that is basically useless now. My first HP Reverb G1, etc..... Sorry but I see no major changes/upgrades made to X-Plane 12 that would make me want to switch back. To me X-Plane is more of a cartoon game than a real simulator. I don't think you should waste your time on any videos for X-Plane. I'm staying with MSFS 2020 which has a much brighter future. Just my opinion.
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
Thanks for being here for so long mate :)
@rmm9676
Ай бұрын
+1000 for all the comments from X-Plane users! Very good to see here. STEVE - Please do more X-Plane videos.
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
Cheers mate rgr that!
@futurdesign1230
Ай бұрын
Yes, please do more videos with X-Plane 12! It’s the primary sim I fly in VR.
@DouglasThom
Ай бұрын
I have always loved the interaction of XPlane with VR over MSFS. It just makes sense that I should be able to alter controls with the controllers. Thanks for bringing us back to the place that loves VR!
@stevemunro4668
Ай бұрын
I have recently discovered your chanel. Really enjoying the content and part way through building a 737 sim but your videos are now steering me towards vr and a 2 DOF base. You have mentioned OpenXr several times, have you done any content on setting up the quest3 with OpenXr? Enjoy Fairford!!!
@michaeltaylor1197
Ай бұрын
I use MSFS and Xplane 12, MSFS for eye candy and Xplane from time to time. With XP you need a powerful pc and a GPU with a lot of onboard memory to get the cockpit text to look good (otherwise it's blurry) however the instruments are far clearer in XP. I have a DOF Reality H3 and I prefer the feel of the aircraft in XP. Please produce more content for Xplane especially for scenery add-ons. Let's hope LR one day can match MSFS for eye candy.
@andyydna5330
Ай бұрын
A big big thumbs up for you and your content Steve!!😎
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
aw mate thankyou! Means a lot
@shaneastwood6364
Ай бұрын
Im using msfs and xp 11/12 in vr and dof h3. I find flying in vr feels more real in xp 12 than msfs especially flying through clouds and turbulent weather. You see wing flex while flying in xp not so much in msfs. Do a flight in you dof.i think youd be impressed cheers steve
@father-sonflightsimulator3838
Ай бұрын
The VR UI in Xplane was awesome and is still better than MSFS 2020. Ultimately though I was wholly disappointed that Xplane12 had zero VR improvement over 11, and all the other features of MSFS, particularly terrain, just overtakes the experience as a whole for VR users.
@nellj1980
Ай бұрын
As a PPL student, XP 12 defintiely feels spot on with the Flight Mechanics than MSFS2020. The way the Rudder is handled, Stalling, Steep turns, etc. Everything in MSFS felt really exaggerated, whereas XP12 just felt like it does in a real plane (minus the obvious G forces, etc)
@senti2175
Ай бұрын
In VR it's FS4 > Xplane12 > MSFS2020.
@therealcyril
Ай бұрын
I reverted back to XP12 during my Airbus type rating because of one thing : the ToLiss module is able to save cockpit and FMGC states. No 320 in MSFS can do that, which is a nogo in a learning context. I do agree VR is now on par with XP11 and slightly better than MSFS which suffers from stutters. Now, regarding flight dynamics between XP and MSFS, well... Canon or Nikon ? ;-) If you ask me, my answer will be : DCS !
@Huddison
Ай бұрын
Brilliant video Steve; I really need to get back into X-Plane.
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
Thanks mate! Much appreciated. I hope you are well :)
@blackjack6259
Ай бұрын
Actually X-Plane is the only thing I fly in. It’s because of that fluidness and the flight dynamics compared to MSFS. Yes, you should try it in your motion rig with the CLS-60 and the XR-4 headset.
@user-zt1er1uj6i
Ай бұрын
The word you need is Fluidity.
@quantumac
Ай бұрын
Laminar Research has prioritized flatscreen development over VR. They really haven't addressed important XP12 VR issues such as antialiasing, shimmering, poor performance and lack of controller sensitivity. I still think XP11 is a much better VR platform and I continue to use it, although I periodically check XP12 to look for improvements.
@ThomasGrillo
Ай бұрын
I've used X-Plane 11 to fill in when the Azure servers are down, and the photogrametry is unavailable for FS2020. I've not had a chance to install X-Plane 12, just yet, but may do, at some point. I primarily use FS2020, as it allows me to fly VFR around my home city's airports. We got lucky, and our city just happened to be one of the photgrametry enabled cities. Thanks for the video. :)
@9brian99
Ай бұрын
Last time I tried XP just tried to fry my 4090 giving me around 30 fps on very low settings. Big disappointment, it’s not ready yet, used to be my favourite sim.
@ericveschi4904
Ай бұрын
Regarding VFR, I prefer MSFS2020, I spent too much time to do my own tiles on X-plane instead to flight. And VR was a mess at the end of X-plane 11. But for IFR only, probably in 2 years they will have a better VR and a better ground representation regarding roads whom are far away from reality and even with IFR, in small GA, it's interesting to compare with a real map what we see outside. So I prefer flight than to spend tons of time to do the dev's work. I did my own Corsica, more than 6000 tiles to eliminate clouds, to do colorimetry. with a batch system, and an huge space disk to get raw satellites imagery and those corrected. Too much work. In MSFS2020 nothing to do. I heard that it exist an addon to read satellite imagery in real time, but they won't be corrected.
@OzzySafa
Ай бұрын
Please revisit this I’m sure it’ll be a better outcome for msfs when ms2024 comes out later this year. Especially with the walk around feature
@DaveBrown1
Ай бұрын
Cut my VR teeth on xplane 11, I loved the control in VR much better than MSFS. No updates for VR on MSFS and still loads of bugs, if you get a chance Steve test Xplane 12 on a lower spec machine (RTX4070). PS I got a second-hand quest 3, most impressed... I still have the varjo.
@pertsonvelts1699
Ай бұрын
Interesting. Thanks for sharing!
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@Nowherefein
Ай бұрын
I let you know now..... Show mor. And please give a little advise on graphics settings😀. I prefer xp 12, for i want to fly and not okay an x-box game😉
@LEmir_de_Passy
Ай бұрын
Thanks for the video!
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
You're welcome!
@dancingwilderness
Ай бұрын
Tried twice to get it to work with my Pimax Crystal. Refunded both times.
@olivierlesage7033
Ай бұрын
More fps for me on XPlane 12 as opposed to MSFS. XPlane has better optimisation and less pixelated than MSFS.
@simonclark7082
Ай бұрын
Used to use xplane alot but I've stopped altogether now. It's unusable with AMD hardware and even when it does it's sub par visuals and poor performance compared to MSFS which is so much better optimised and the physics gap is a myth now.
@elmalloc
Ай бұрын
Thank you for using Quest 3 where most of us can afford it!
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
My pleasure. I love the Quest 3 😊
@warrenbriggs7449
Ай бұрын
Guys, XP12 is currently on sale on Steam for $67 CAD. That's about $35 US or 15 quid in old money. Looks like a bargain to me. Only until the 11th of July.
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
Thanks for the heads up 👍
@warrenbriggs7449
Ай бұрын
@@VRFlightSimGuy Turns out my exchange rates to US and UK were from 1997 😀 but it is still a good deal at $50 US and 40 pounds.
@stevew8614
22 күн бұрын
XP12 does look great but just not "complete" as MSFS2020, IMO. Also. anyone know why XP12 cannot do Garmin SVT (Synthetic Vision)? All modern Cirrus, like one used in first half of the video, have that feature in real world.
@Guerbou
Ай бұрын
I use Pimax Crystal and RTX4090 for FS. I also love X-Plane 12 but cannot get it to work with Crystal. I tried several options in any planes including Zibo by either starting x-plane 12 using openxr in command line exe, in SteamVR Home Environment, or in PC library in Pc. I successfully get in the hangar facing the menu board with normal vision in the headset. It is only when the flight start in the cockpit that I the headset does not connect properly with X-plane as I get vertical color blurry lines, barely seeing the cockpit. I tried different solutions with/without OpenXr and/or PimaxXR, not to avail. My settings in X-Plane VR General Settings under the VRHardware menu all is Check ‘ Use OpenXR Runtime, Enable VR Mouse Cursor and both the VR Manipulator Settings’. I would love to find the right setup so Pimax Crystal work with X-plane 12.
@crisk73
Ай бұрын
What are you using to record? Is this the Oculus Mirror app? What Q3 settings are you using? Thanks
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
Recording from the VR headset thanks for watching!
@acratone8300
Ай бұрын
I have an off topic question which perhaps can be answered in one sentence: Which of these headsets will give better smoothness and fps using lesser gpus in PC sims like msfs and DCS?. Like maybe a 3070 or 4070 gpu instead of 4090? Crystal Light Quest 3 HP Reverb G2 Thank you!
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
Reverb G2, but I do no recommend this headset anymore. Crystal Light will perform well with a 4070 with the correct settings, Quest 3 also, but with lower visual fidelity and similar performance, due to the encoding needed (no DP connection).
@Mark_Point
Ай бұрын
Is DCS the best performer in VR, maybe not,.maybe FS4 but it's got to be close. Shame XP12 don't seem to want to go there.
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
FS4, DCS then MSFS... unless you count War of Thunder or VTOL VR :D
@belgeode
Ай бұрын
That time again... 👀👀👀👀👀
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
I crashed your Tomcat, but it's off camera 😂
@piperwarrior5705
14 күн бұрын
I have the boxes xplane12 but you can't get the updates
@desmodromic4586
Ай бұрын
The problem with XP12 are the avionics not even close to what we have in MSFS, and I don’t even talk about navigraph chart integration, so even if VR would be better (it’s not) you still have crappy default avionics
@Rikus1978
Ай бұрын
I hope FS24 improve VR because in FS20...
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
huh?
@Rikus1978
Ай бұрын
@@VRFlightSimGuy I mean in FS20 you need a really powerfull PC, even a 4070 Ti suffers...
@dabneyoffermein595
Ай бұрын
Does anyone know if the G2 has had some advancements in the last year or year and a half? I haven't tried it since then and am wondering should I chuck it in the garbage can and wait for the next "big thing" in VR? or will it do ok in MSFS-2020 with new software advancements?
@briand9446
Ай бұрын
How do you work the Garmins and press small buttons in XPlane with the VR controllers as the plane is bumping around?
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
They can be a little fiddly :)
@Mauriciovideomaker
Ай бұрын
Can you read cockpit numbers and info resolution wise in Vr ? Thank you!
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
It's ok, but the Crystal Light would be my choice for that.
@belgeode
Ай бұрын
I swear if you crash my Tomkitty!!!! I'll flip every table in this room!! 😬
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
LOL I cut the video before the incident 😅
@belgeode
Ай бұрын
@@VRFlightSimGuythen i will let it slide.... THIS TIIIIIME. 😳
@user-zt1er1uj6i
Ай бұрын
I get uncontrolled vr shaking, uninstall demo xp, I would move back if the shaking was sorted.
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
Did you try using a different runtime?
@radektopinka72
Ай бұрын
Are you a real pilot to consider flight modeling, it is not only modelung, but also at least loading control system to be able to test it properly.
@tarrowdriver
Ай бұрын
XP12 (12.0.9) still does not support the latest OpenXR build. You have to uninstall and use a super-old version of OpenXR.
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
It worked fine here, using the command line in the exe file
@andyydna5330
Ай бұрын
@@VRFlightSimGuythank you very much Steve! Did you use the nightly build openXR Toolkit?
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
@@andyydna5330 I haven't got that far.. yet :)
@poolhallshark
Ай бұрын
❤❤❤
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
Cheers my friend.
@szabolcscsengoi4231
Ай бұрын
Why are u using oversampling?
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
Because the Quest 3 needs it to produce a sharp image
@rosbif00
Ай бұрын
actually i'd prefer more DCS
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
I wish there were more hours in the day!
@mikoriad
Ай бұрын
I have a feeling FS2024 with it's new flight model will sink XP.
@rampy4963
Ай бұрын
By far, the best VR interfacing is with P3d.
@mrdeathgaming1457
Ай бұрын
The reality is a 3rd of what you are showing at best.
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
Not sure what you mean here sorry!
@mrdeathgaming1457
Ай бұрын
@VRFlightSimGuy the video output shown is not the experience of the vr headset. I tried a reverb g2 and it was the quality of 640p if that
@davidweisbrod5771
Ай бұрын
I am sorry but performance With pimax is horrible. All of this because Laminar still makes the "parallel projection" feature mandatory to fly with pitool...I wrote to Pimax and even connected them to Austin, to fix that issue. From pimax, it was nothing to do, just a couple of coding lines that they were willing Laminar to help.. the one that never answered back was Austin.. unfortunately not a KZitemr here with my community to influence that.. but I did my best
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
That the 8KX David?
@rmm9676
Ай бұрын
@@VRFlightSimGuy STEVE -- If David is correct, then will you try to help to get LR engaged on this? Do you have a way to do that?
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
@@rmm9676 I can try, trouble is, the 8KX is super niche at this time.
@rmm9676
Ай бұрын
@@VRFlightSimGuy So David's problem is specific only to the PIMAX 8KX and is not a general PIMAX issue in X-Plane? Is that correct?
@DB-be9wy
Ай бұрын
Runs like butt. It has a lot of potential but is half assed in its current state.
@lanfeustdaytona4483
Ай бұрын
MSFS is a toy for kids, X-Plane is a serious sim for adults 😉
@VRFlightSimGuy
Ай бұрын
😅
@michalpetrilak3976
Ай бұрын
From what you wrote, you are a child who is very eager to become an adult.
@calinutza33
2 күн бұрын
I have downloaded the demo trial version but I couldn’t connect and fly in VR with my Reverb G3 what do I need to do , how do you set it up. ? 🙈 Thank you !
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