My little head canon now is that the saucer section is also modular, so if it is making long hauls you can add a section for more recreation for the crew, if you are going out more the frontier you can add modules that have defenses to them.
@347Jimmy
3 ай бұрын
I love it, I'm adopting it
@mr.b.7244
3 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing.
@terranempire2
3 ай бұрын
I could imagine that the full saucer versions were kept in service as fleet Auxiliaries. With the cut back versions being sold off to commercial ventures.
@isegrim1978
3 ай бұрын
So, similar to the pods of the Nebula class.
@deathdisclover999
3 ай бұрын
@@isegrim1978 yeah, just maybe not as many. ST Adventures has rules for a mobile drydock mission pod, for example.
@DrewLSsix
3 ай бұрын
Another reason f9r the ships being so stripped down, including losing their weapons is that despite being in a bad spot, the Romulan authorities would certainly balk at the idea of a 10,000 strong fleet of "rescue" ships entering their space all armed with weapons of war. I wouldn't be surprised if the older ships like the McGee classes we see in the yards were chosen for their relative harmless nature compared to even modest modern ships, or that those ships were disarmed in the process of being refit for the job. The romulans ARE a generally paranoid xenophobic race, I absolutely believe they would rask heavy losses rather than place all their trust in the benevolence of their long time enemy.
@irregularassassin6380
3 ай бұрын
Great points! No doubt the lack of armament was an intentional design choice because of Romulan paranoia (whether Starfleet thought of it first, or the Romulans demanded it is moot here).
@lukasmacht5858
3 ай бұрын
@@irregularassassin6380 Defiently, but its unly made irony of all of this even worse. Talshiar caused the whole Hobus go BOOM scenario and didn't use any of their resources to help. Zhat Wash crazy nuns basically erased whole evacuation fleet and ruined the whole effort only to show that "Plastic people" bad. And again Zhat wash didn't anything to help, even if they obviously had about 250 Dhelkina warbirds, well is possible that these ships could not be available at this number at that moment, but seriously they still would not help, because crazy nuns on mission. Seriusly ...
@Sephiroth144
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for another interesting deep dive into a ship that would get overlooked otherwise
@vic5015
3 ай бұрын
Basically a container ship for the late 24th century.
@SamwiseOutdoors
3 ай бұрын
I do love that the class is named after Roul Wallenberg.
@marvelboy74
3 ай бұрын
I really love the idea of Starfleet toying with more modular ship design and variable geometry. I feel like the ship should have some detachable part to help extend the warp field down the length of the cargo section.
@stevenewman1393
3 ай бұрын
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided on the Wallenberg class tug type vessels and all of its functions, abilities, duties and mission parameters and requirements provided of it, A job very fabulously well done indeed Sir!👌. And p.s. I myself own the larger sized Eaglemoss model of this ship as well!👍.
@Max_Flashheart
3 ай бұрын
I like Big Space Tugs and I cannot lie.
@S1337theoddoneout-ip9xc
3 ай бұрын
That tug is the closest thing we could get to a millennium falcon in ST. Imagine all the cool smuggler stories that ship could be part for. Equipped with very illegally modified modified impulse engines and warp core, capable of warp 9.98 for 16 hrs before falling apart, cruise speed of warp 8 and an illegal andorian made weapons array that can kill a b'rel with ease. Any maqui would sell his mother for that ship.
@CASA-dy4vs
2 ай бұрын
Having a Stellaris like Star Trek game where you hav to design your own ships I think I would use this a lot lmao
@Ptaaruonn
3 ай бұрын
Slick.
@SIG442
3 ай бұрын
Wouldn't mind having it in STO. Could make a interesting ship to roleplay in. For that matter, I wouldn't mind seeing a star trek game that would be along the lines of a elder scrolls game, but far more expansive. Where you can decide what to do and how to do it. Not being forced to join Star Fleet or any other major faction.
@CRYOKnox
3 ай бұрын
Interesting i really like it never looked so close at them in the game but this is just really nice, wished we could fly it.
@Lucius292
3 ай бұрын
fasa old str trek game has a similar design (also TOS like) with complete saucer and basic combat ability. but it were a tug with similar cargo attachment. 😊
@deltacx1059
3 ай бұрын
I like any Starfleet vessel that isn't a dinner plate.
@originaluddite
3 ай бұрын
Watching Picard, I somehow blinked and missed what should be a rather distinctive design, something I find happens more in viewing recent shows. Having now had a proper look, I'd say it's ugly in a good way and I'd like to see more.
@TheFlyWahine
3 ай бұрын
he Whollup Class!.
@crippletime
3 ай бұрын
Algorithm comment
@cheutho
3 ай бұрын
Yes, it makes perfect sense that they'd cut out anything excess for something being mass produced for an emergency. It just has to get from point A to point B.
@DanielSolis
3 ай бұрын
I could see a story of decommissioned Wallenberg becoming home to a scrappy Firefly/Expanse style crew on the periphery of Federation space. They might have ended up with the Fenris Rangers.
@VGJustice
3 ай бұрын
Neat little ship, and I'm very fond of the idea that Geordi cut off the saucer to make mass production faster.
@charlesmoore3390
3 ай бұрын
Geordi was always rather pragmatic. Most engineers are, in my experience.
@BenjaminRoethig
3 ай бұрын
I kinda like a back story that the Wallenberg was essentially a cut down Sampson spaceframe (a ship in production from the post Dominion War rebuild) to make it both easier to produce and less threatening to the Romulans. It would also benefit starfleet since after the relocation mission was over, the Wallenbergs could be completed as Sampsons in the future.
@chan742
3 ай бұрын
I like your idea that the USS Nightingale had a full saucer and the follow on rapid production versions cut down the saucer. It makes sense to remove extra features when you need to rush out dozens of them on a humanitarian (Romulitarian?) mission.
@3Rayfire
3 ай бұрын
Sapientarian.
@barrybend7189
3 ай бұрын
We need a version but with a Ptolemy class skin.
@shaytepes7351
3 ай бұрын
Hook them up like a train. Every 3 pods have an "engine " attached on top. Have em' make a giant warp bubble, and watch em' go!
@johnsteiner3417
3 ай бұрын
Much better ship concept. Looks like it could almost fly in atmosphere and land.
@jenniferstewarts4851
3 ай бұрын
In truth, i can see that saucer section being able to be added or removed as needed, with different Saucer modals being able to be attached and mixed and matched. Weapons, crew, medical, and colony pods being the standard options. Now this could be really interesting if it only carried 1 side, OR if the sides were painted differently... So you have the orange striped body with a white left sides carrying the red cross... but no right side. Showing its acting as a medical transport, but they didn't have a right side medical on hand and didn't want to mount a non medical option. Now add to this, i can see these ships NOT being "starfleet" but Federation. Part of the Federation merchant Marine or independent cargo ships. thus only carrying the SS designation rather then the USS. (remembering that runabouts still carried the USS and were far far smaller and less capable. As a merchent marine ship, a level of customization for each ship would then be allowed. it just... Feels... right.
@firstcynic92
3 ай бұрын
It looks like it was originally the transport/tug from the Star Trek Technical Manual.
@VulpisFoxfire
3 ай бұрын
I was just about to post a very similar comment..not necessarily the same ship, but a very similar one in purpose and concept.
@SilverAranda
3 ай бұрын
The Wallenberg class, the semitruck of starfleet
@300guy
3 ай бұрын
It appears someone just trimmed the edges of the saucer section and walled it off rather than maybe extending to an edge.
@stankyyboi
3 ай бұрын
wish we'd get a T4 version of this in STO like the flyable Kobayashi Maru and if they were mass produced to just carry evac pods it makes sense they'd reduce the amount of materials required to make them by getting rid of the saucer
@BennyLlama39
3 ай бұрын
Ric: "Because of their role, they lacked many systems that a Starfleet ship would consider standard..." Me: Phasers, shields, torpedoes, overclocked computer, transporters, EMH, supercharged warp system... you know-- the important shit. 😀
@irregularassassin6380
3 ай бұрын
Important for a starship, not so much for a transport! In fact, I bet if Starfleet played their cards right in designing and building the thing, they might be able to sell a lot of the evacuation fleet on the secondary market to traders. Within the Federation, the ships would no doubt be trusted by independent captains because they're Starfleet-built, and I think many species outside of the Federation would think similarly. The Ferengi might not want them (no armament, and Daimons need armed ships for both self-defence and "self-defence"), but the _Klingons_ might be very interested, as might the Cardassians (they both have national fleets to protect their cargo ships, and the Cardassians would still be recovering from the Dominion War at this time). That's not to mention all the minor powers, and even what remains of the Romulans themselves (who would likely have a very positive view of the Wallenberg Class).
@charlestaylor253
3 ай бұрын
They were scheduled to be installed the first Tuesday after the Romulan evacuation...😉
@earlware4322
3 ай бұрын
Oh yeah, but don't forget the other essentials like a bowling alley, holo-deck, and an Expresso machine in the Captain's quarters. 😁
@GuardianSage
3 ай бұрын
The shields, overclocked computer, and supercharged warp system still probably came standard. Especially on a freighter like this. The other stuff is just superfluous. Though they probably still have cargo transporters too.
@kingssman2
3 ай бұрын
For being a barge, I'm surprised they didn't make up the lack of phasers with more tractor beams? Large cargo pods would benefit with having ship board cranes or ability to unload them. Then there's the question if it's atmosphere capable? Being able to pick up those pods from planet side?
@christopherg2347
3 ай бұрын
The non-Canon Manual for the Enterprise D had concepts for a future Enterprise D. And one of them was a "space truck" design. But a marked different one. The same idea obviously influenced the J Class Freighters like teh ECS Horizon in Enterprise. And this is like the Sovereign/Odyssey era interpretation.
@irregularassassin6380
3 ай бұрын
Why fix what ain't broken? Sometimes the key elements of a design stand the test of time because there simply is no better solution.
@MadcapMachinations
3 ай бұрын
The concept art almost reminds me of the California class in concept. Also it looks so cool
@interstellarsurfer
3 ай бұрын
Post-war recession starship.
@AzraelThanatos
3 ай бұрын
I kind of wonder if the saucer parts might be, effectively, mission pods for the ship intended for later points where you might be taking them into a potential combat or hazard zone, or for longer distance transport. Things like reinforced shields, defensive armaments, a stronger and/or more specialized life support system for unique species (such as humpbacks), and similar things that might be planned for later mission support.
@samwill7259
3 ай бұрын
When you have to move a few billion people in a very inflexible time table, you don't get to make it look pretty!
@ArtistryBranson
3 ай бұрын
Ok, that was interesting as hell, Ric. Thanks for your fine work, as always!
@RiceWD05
3 ай бұрын
Ugly, lacking the clean lines of other ships but I have a feeling that their crews love them and would fight a Klingon in a dark alley with a spark to defend their name and honor. Star Fleet Logistics: "We keep the cassions rolling" or "The Engineering Corps asks us nicely for toys"
@colmdonnelly9511
3 ай бұрын
It would make sense for the cylinders to be normally stored in the saucer, only being moved below for the refit
@charlescassels3826
3 ай бұрын
Weird, my subscription was deleted. Great info here, you’ve made me find new respect for this ship!
@laggybum3218
3 ай бұрын
Really interesting! I love learning about little or lesser known ships! Thanks!!
@phillipthorne8363
3 ай бұрын
At 5:00, the 22 RCS thrusters in the nose: that seems odd. If intended for fine maneuvering, there should be comparable RCS clusters pointed in other directions. If intended for sublight braking, why not impulse engines pointed forward -- although according to more recent tie-in tech books, impulse engines aren't rockets; they're reactionless drives similar to warp engines, but with incidental plasma exhaust, and so may be able to operate in reverse. (See Klingon Bird-of-Prey Haynes Manual, 2012, p.67.)
@user-pf3gd1zd2i
3 ай бұрын
Had the idea that a militarized version of this would tow in and deploy orbital defense platforms.
@Obiwan7100
3 ай бұрын
This part of docking a container externally reminds me a lot of the YT-1300 light freighter from Star Wars.
@irregularassassin6380
3 ай бұрын
I'm more immediately reminded of the J and Y class freighters from Enterprise, but that speaks more to it being a longstanding design trope in sci fi art. I really do like it, though!
@347Jimmy
3 ай бұрын
I had the same thought 👍
@AzraelThanatos
3 ай бұрын
I still prefer some of the older things with Light Freighters in Star Wars, namely that the light freighters were more courier ships for smaller things that you needed to get somewhere "yesterday" or as a ship to ground option in some areas, while the bulk freighters were the large load ones that were slower but able to carry a lot more cargo. The light freighter is the one carrying your computer core and or a few crates of medicines that a place is in desperate need of while the bulk freighter is carrying the foodstuffs, materials, bulk shipping, and similar.
@BlizzardTerrak
3 ай бұрын
A design with a saucer before mass-production? Fascinating :o
@feralprocessor9853
3 ай бұрын
Right off the bat, a savior apparently.
@bearnaff9387
3 ай бұрын
On the one hand, I am not sure I would be comfy using a starship without full Starfleet shop facilities, especially one built to emergency tempo, for anything other than cargo runs well inside settled and controlled space inside the Federation or its ally nations. On the other hand, depending on what sort of speed it can manage at cruise, this class could be excellent for pushing out the Federation's boundaries. On the gripping hand, some idiot somewhere is going to try to make this into a warp carrier for small craft. Once you account for 4 bulkheads, 2 accordion connectors, an auxiliary fusion reactor and two "warp repeater" coils, you have positively BORG-ian amounts of warp-capable cubic volume in each and every Atlas spaceframe. You could convert the insides over to nearly any purpose given adequate engineering time, from self-deploying starbases and embassies to mobile dry docks for mission-specific ship refits and maintenance. This is another case of one of a Starfleet engineer having an unseemly love for the logistics capabilities of the Terran US military in the early 21st century. (No, really. The US military would immediately claim starships like this to replicate their existing real-world ability to set up naval and air support bases on allied soil anywhere in the world with no notice. Right now, as I type this, the US Military has enough maintained and ready resources deployed across the globe to erect a forward fighting base five times at once.)
@tenchraven
3 ай бұрын
Points for the gripping hand! And in WWII, I don't think the Victory and Liberty ships has much machine shop, and these would be very much in the same concept. If they have something really big go wrong, they wouldn't alone so they could get assist from more luxuriously equipped ships.
@rolandogamez
3 ай бұрын
WOW! No mention of Franz Josef's Ptolemy Class from the 1970s?!?! The Cut down hull probably inspired by Jackill's Deliverer Class from 1995. No mention of that either! And don't mention cannon when that seems to have been thrown out by Kurt-trek! Franz Josef's ships are the Infinity Stones of Star Trek. They existed before the concept of 'canon' in Star Trek! They were officially endorsed by Roddenberry before he 'unendorsed' them and still produced by those who produce Star Trek books!
@michaelcsonka2675
3 ай бұрын
The design seems to go back to the Transport/Tug MK VI features in the original Starfleet Technical Manual. Particularly the original saucer design looks like an evolution of this type similar to the evolution of other basic configurations of the era.
@Exaris79
3 ай бұрын
Reminds me of the Nova class concept design from the ST:TNG Technical Manual.
@spannerwindslayer
3 ай бұрын
Honestly i love this ship shape, La Sirena is cool, but a bit too edgy to actually look like a terran design, this ship looks like a japanese mini truck or a Toyota Hilux on space.
@christophertletski4894
3 ай бұрын
Can you kindly explain why every ship class and every starship is named after earth individuals or former earth ships?
@charlestaylor253
3 ай бұрын
Late 24th century version of the Ptolemy class...
@dot2562
3 ай бұрын
the 2 cranes in belfast ship yard are called samsin and goliath..
@ultramaximusreviews
3 ай бұрын
I never noticed these ships in the show. Cool idea
@OmegablueWolf
3 ай бұрын
i wonder if the saucer sections werent additonal cargo modules ?
@RobTheSquire
3 ай бұрын
I like this ship and it wouldn't look out of place if a freelance captain took ownership and modified the hell out of it by adding various modules to it's hull.
@rossallan3585
3 ай бұрын
Thanks, I hate it. The ship design, not the vid. Vid is ace.
@davidgeslani48
3 ай бұрын
I wonder if the Cali class was part of the rescue effort
@johnnelson7192
3 ай бұрын
Each ship should have just been one big pattern buffer. And they could have stored the romulans and these industrial pattern buffers
@irregularassassin6380
3 ай бұрын
I don't think pattern buffers could reliably store patterns for long periods at this time. Not to mention the Romulans would almost certainly never agree to that, nor would they agree to having everyone put into cryosleep. They're just too paranoid.
@nonyabisness6306
3 ай бұрын
why didn't the romulans have enough ships to evacuate romulus themselves?
@tenchraven
3 ай бұрын
Evacuate a planetary population in the billions. Plus crops, flocks and herds, and enough ecology to maintain your home world's plants and animals. Plus "culturally important artifacts", aka strip museums and libraries. No one has that much space handy, you need friends and fast.
@XHunter442
3 ай бұрын
Ty for the amazing video!!!!!!!!! I LOVE SHIPS and lore story behind the ships!
@KylieDesire
3 ай бұрын
Hi. I watched alot of your movies recently and beyond your massive content, I wonder, because I am lost in such big amount of movies. Is therena movie about Teleportation? I saw a glimpse of Okuda TNG Manual and its very detailed. Maybe I missed it in the list oO Thanks! Live long and prosper, Bat
@scottishdrunkard1845
3 ай бұрын
Funny, Samson had his hair cut off, and he lost his power. The Samson Class had the Saucer cut off, and lost the name.
@Feralhyena
3 ай бұрын
Surprised no one in the Beta-Canon had considered using them as Q-ships. The modularity seems to suggest it could fill a similar role to an AWACS or A-130 gunship when attached to UFP or Unaligned fleets.
@BigBennKlingon
3 ай бұрын
They seem to have overlooked ship's obvious Ptolemy class lineage (unless I missed that part)
@tenchraven
3 ай бұрын
Almost like a Liberty ship from WWII, crossed with a tug. I like it, particularly the idea there is a sister class with a full saucer, or as others have said, modular "wings" to form a mission specific pseudo-saucer. 500m cargo modules that only have to go out, and get dropped, that's cheap and that's a LOT of housing and barn space, so you could use one or two of these to drop a colony in a couple days.
@JeremyBuxman
2 ай бұрын
I assume there's a lot of "civilian" models similar to this. Not built for much more than long-distance space truckers and cargo haulers. Which makes the saucer design a distinct and obvious Starfleet vessel design.
@casbot71
3 ай бұрын
A interesting alternate timeline could be the Zhat Vash didn't succeed in their attack on Mars and the full rescue went ahead as planned. Either the Zhat Vash's plans were uncovered (a passing skilled full Betazoid got close to a operative) or the Zhat Vash actually worked out the message was meant for synths and not organics. It would end up being a nicer timeline .... assuming Series 2 and 3 of Picard in that reality didn't end in the destruction of Starfleet and the Federation.
@alexanderrow7565
3 ай бұрын
I actually think it looks pretty cool without the saucer. I do like atypical star fleet ships, The Defiant, that one Section 31 ship from Discovery season 2, the name escapes me.
@STNuevo
2 ай бұрын
Wouldn't 2 - 3 warp ring systems distributed over the entire length of the ship and the loading containers be more efficient?
@FoxURA
3 ай бұрын
Love your content! And a saucerless Federation ship? Did someone at the design yard get drunk, delete something, and the focus of the ship was an excuse?
@CelticCubby
3 ай бұрын
I like the Wallenberg class. Maybe it eventually started taking over some of the support roles alongside the California class
@davida.2947
3 ай бұрын
I’ve been watching your videos for some time and have always been impressed with your deep dives into the lore. Something like this vessel wouldn’t even register on most people’s radar but you always manage to get every morsel of info and make it interesting. Thanks!
@grahamturner1290
3 ай бұрын
🖖
@sirjanin
3 ай бұрын
I always have wondered if ALL ships from starfleet are built in utopia planitia or starfleet had some others facilities like on andoria or tellar also dedicated to build ships.
@irregularassassin6380
3 ай бұрын
I believe they do have shipbuilding facilities around other planets, I believe I specifically recall mention of a drydock over Vulcan but I'm not 100% sure. IIRC, Utopia Planitia is simply the main drydock for Starfleet at this time.
@TiganWelsh
3 ай бұрын
We hear/see on screen about the San Francisco Fleet Yards, Antares has one, there's a place in Russia making Oberths, and it generally makes absolutely no sense, especially post-Dominion War to only have a single major shipbuilding facility, especially as every single Federation member species had at least some shipbuilding capability of their own. They need to have warp-capable starships to even legally be contacted by the Federation, after all. Plus, we know for a solid fact that Vulcan, Tellar, Andoria and every species seen in Enterprise had their own fleets before the Federation, meaning they had the facillities to make and support them and why would you expand your territory with new members and also reduce your ability to do stuff in that territory by removing existing infrastructure? And why have a single place that you can build/repair ships during a major war? UP is probably the biggest but it absolutely cannot be the only major shipyard.
@Nalehw
3 ай бұрын
Many other shipyards have been namedropped, but Utopia Planitia is the one that gets most of the narrative focus. So I'd interpret Utopia Planitia as more like the HEAD shipyard - the one with the greatest capacity, the one that does the most R&D, and the one that administrates the overall fleet construction. Thus, destroying UP doesn't prevent the Federation from building ships, but it does behead their industry and force them to scramble.
@t75044
3 ай бұрын
I do like the way that even with the lack of a proper saucer you can see all the design features the Wallenberg draws on from the Ptolemy Class
@feralprocessor9853
3 ай бұрын
It kinda reminds me of the Normandy from Masseffect without the saucer section.
@ravoniesravenshir3926
3 ай бұрын
Could you do a video on the new Control Borg? Please? They seem to be the monster Borg we all feared.
@jenniferbrewer5370
3 ай бұрын
Question: Who did Starfleet name this class of starship after?
@WhyyouSodesperate
3 ай бұрын
Wallenberg look like cost down version to Centaur class
@drahcir8402
3 ай бұрын
It looks perfect for a Federation but not Starfleet ship.
@rickmeyer9495
3 ай бұрын
Should of just stored everyone in the pattern buffer.
@12ian89
3 ай бұрын
Could the uss defiant fit in voyager?🤔
@Ketchup_And_Rice
3 ай бұрын
Its the left over cutout parts from the Shangri-la
@S1nwar
3 ай бұрын
a lazy copypaste ship for a season full of lazy copypaste ships
@thomasblunt3404
3 ай бұрын
Why make these when the Ptolomy class was right there?
@lasarus1989
3 ай бұрын
Wallenberg class... constant nemisis of Jönsson-ligan class
@oliverfranke7650
3 ай бұрын
There is one plothole that makes no sense to me. Okay, assume the Wallenberg class can carry, let's be generous here, 30,000 (which I think is way too many) people each in their cargo sections. According to Star Trek: Star Charts the popultation of Romulus is about 18 billion people in 2378. So in order to evacuate Romulus you'd need 600,000 ships for a one-way trip. If we assume on average, every Wallenberg class ship can make the whole tour every two months, we reduce that number to 20,000 ships needed. In order to build so many ships, that would mean were 4,000 ships to be build every year, between 2381 and 2386. Or 333 ships per month. Even with the industrial capacities available and with the facility doing nothing but building Wallenberg class ships, this seems implausible. Canonically there are several major shipyards in Sol, namely San Francisco Fleet Yards, Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards, the Tranquility Base, the Luna Shipyards, the Oakland Shipyard, Earth Station McKinley, Marin County Starfleet Yards and the Baikonur Cosmodrome. So eigth availabe ship yards in Sol, plus the Proxima Maintenance Yards only 4.2 light years away and fleet yards on Vulcan, Tellar and Andoria also being only a few light years away. So it is absolutely stupid to assume, they would only base this project on one fleet yard. Also, no one woudl expect the Federation blocking their most important ship yard with such a project, postponing every running project for full five years. That's just ridiculous.
@NeoakiraIV
3 ай бұрын
I assumed starfleet use these ships as well as the current ships in service to evacuate a galaxy class can fit 15,000 and transport 1250 people per hour and I’d would think the Romulans would also help out with their giant warbirds but bad writing aside I still they it’s possible
@kcdodger
3 ай бұрын
Heh. Samson. They cut its hair.
@markaous1212
3 ай бұрын
I don’t like the cylinders
@CrimsonTemplar2
3 ай бұрын
Where is the deflector array?
@patrikhjorth3291
3 ай бұрын
...but now it's just a cup.
@kenwshmt
3 ай бұрын
ptolomy :P
@Kyronea
3 ай бұрын
I've struggled to understand why the Tal Shiar would have caused the synth attack on Mars to begin with when they were working to try to save as many Romulans as possible; all it accomplished was Starfleet failing to save anywhere near as many Romulan lives as they could have had they not acted. It did nothing of any value and was perhaps the most suicidal thing the Tal Shiar could've done. Utterly bonkers. Picard's writing is such trash.
@irregularassassin6380
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, ST: Picard is not a great show. I'm very glad season 3 reunited the TNG crew, but I'm not particularly happy with any of the writing in the show. Oh well, it had some good moments!
@TheRogueX
3 ай бұрын
I just don't get why they didn't keep some of the STO "history" as canon between 2379 and 2403. They didn't need to keep *all* of it but they utterly butchered it. The fact that the STO staff seem to be willing to butcher their own canon in order to make official canon fit is also annoying.
@VulpisFoxfire
3 ай бұрын
Thing is, the Tal Shiar were like MAGA..fanatics that don't *care* about the rest of the species, as long as their own interests are taken care of. They were *fine* with the 'undesirables' being left behind..
@ThisIsMeAndNotYou
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It looks like the cargo ships from Enterprise, I think that's a nice little nod to Enterprise tbh.
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