QUESTIONS for the nerds - Can you downsample backwards? - Anyone has any ideas on how to do the phaser from Secrets of the Sand? Is it even a phaser? - How in the world he did what he did to the Flowers sample? Also I am doing my research but I forgot to mention in the video. Dilla's sound is so searched for, that the new re-release SP-404 which is said to give the same grit to the sample (through its internal hardware) is selling like crazy. Everyone wants to be able to export a beat and put through a SP-404 too see if they get that 90's grit/color on their beats.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
READ THE COMMENT SECTION!!! The answers are there... feel free to keep posting your knowledge about production and Dilla! This is amazing :)
@jacobgreen1602
2 жыл бұрын
Hi, Im not familiar with a lot of the code behind the scenes of the software/vsts, but i do perform signal processing for my work (moreso on the communications side). Anyway, there’s a difference between downsampling and decimation, and the two are often conflated. I’m not sure which one VSTs use. The reason this is important is because this affects the frequency spectrum in different ways. When downsampling, you just delete every other sample from the original file. However, this doesn’t delete the higher frequencies because they still exist; rather, it creates an affect called “aliasing” which reflects among the Nyquist Frequnecy (half the sample rate). So higher frequencies transform into lower frequencies (if this sounds complex, it might be easier just to look up a visual representation). This affect could heavily muddy the lower end of the mix. To fix the issue of aliasing, it’s common that a filter is applied BEFORE removing the sample points. This causes the higher frequencies that are reflected into the lower end to be much weaker. However, filters introduce a phase change for a given frequency, which would affect the reverse-polarity trick. Judging from how the sample sounds once downsampled, I would guess that the VST is actually decimating… Hopefully some of this helps or at least gives a paper trail to follow/consider. As a disclaimer though- I’m not an audio processing engineer xD
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
@@jacobgreen1602 that makes a lot of sense. That is why decimort has a pre/post EQ, so you can theoretically deal with that muddying. This comment was incredible and it gave me something to study. Learning production is very non linear, after learning the basics, and the common techniques it becomes hard to know what you don't know yet. Thank you! This is the best comment section ever
@darrengordon-hill
2 жыл бұрын
Here's me, doing my own thing...
@slinnybeats3188
2 жыл бұрын
Flower sample is a mix of the leftside of the record (drums are on the right) and the tape shit
@bengineer_the
2 жыл бұрын
Try applying the down sample effect removing the top end. Invert the polarity of this signal, then blend it with the original, to leave the remainder behind. It's the classic way of turning a low pass filter into a high pass. 👌
@hokkym.6348
2 жыл бұрын
That wah fx what Dilla used is actually just a filter with a boost on top that he probably used manually to get that bounce. MAYBE he used a phaser but i doubt it. Oh, and to get that character, try putting the sample up or down an octave first and then filter it. You’ll get crazy textures and tones
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
On my Low End Theory Video I mentioned Octave layering. But I rarely applied it to a breakdown, I think I only did it with 2010 By Earl. About the Automation EQ filter, it is a great idea, I usually use that effect on transitions, it is a cool DJ effect that works nicely as transitions. It won't hurt to try it for secrets of the sand
@AnthonyGaskinsT0T
2 жыл бұрын
Try a crybaby wah
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyGaskinsT0T noted!!
@Handobolo
2 жыл бұрын
No
@triplebeam23
2 жыл бұрын
He used a moogfooger
@h8rman
2 жыл бұрын
that first technique of reversing the polarity of wav data is a good way to get vocals from a song. If you have an instrumental and a song that are the of similar qualities, line them up and invert one,..the instrumentals elements will cancel each other out leaving only an acapella
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
That sounds interesting! I knew reverse polarity was way too cool, not to have any practical use
@maowcat1587
2 жыл бұрын
I used it to remove drums from a sample by slicing out drum transients, then flipping just those slices. You won't get a perfect cut, especially if there's reverb, but it's good enough to take out the crack or punch from competing drums.
@cheffinbeatsdaily
2 жыл бұрын
When you got to the flowers part. Instant chills. Such a gem 💎 I’ve always love J- Dillas sound before I started producing
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
Inspired me to start producing as well. I listened to Dilla everyday for like 5 years before I started producing
@peakingmantis5331
Жыл бұрын
@@Narokx I've got a thought about that part, it's a long shot but maybe Dilla used the mono signal of the sample instead of the whole stereo signal... So many vinyl records were printed with bad stereo imaging that in theory you could get a recording of just a couple instruments in the sample instead of the entirety of it.
@Eric-LB
2 жыл бұрын
I recently picked up an SP303 and it can probably do a lot of what you’re trying to achieve with its FX section. I’d say the isolator would remove frequencies similar to the technique you did with down sampling - which is a really cool technique you put me on to. Thanks. Flowers is probably the isolator with the highs turned down and mid and bass turned up but balanced to be heavier on the low end. The saturation could either come from internally clipping the 303 while resampling, or the vinyl sim effect. Possibly even the filter + drive effect. It was probably resampled each time a different effect was applied. This adds a bit of richness and texture but in a shitty lofi way. Secrets of the sand sounds likely to be one of two things. The first is a chop of the sample without the wobble effect playing with the bits with the wobble effect spliced on the end. So, you only hear the effect in parts. It could also be a resample, where the effect was triggered on certain parts of the sample. Both are essentially like automating a dry wet knob. The sp303 allows for this again for both methods and also has a wah effect that could make a similar sound. I think an auto filter plugin might get you closer to the sound than a phaser. Then either sample and splice the effected signal with the unaffected one, or automated the dry wet knob. The removal of the low end is a tricky one. The isolator on the 303 might be able to get you close again. I’d have to try it the next time I’m using it. I’ll let ya know. Dilla has a real hardware-based workflow. The hardware kinda drives the process. The 303 is really fun for playing beats live and resampling them and looping the beat and making it work by editing the start and end points. It creates a kinda off grid swing to play samples overthat is hard to do in your DAW / on a grid. The limitations of the old samplers also means you have to work differently and cheat the limitations where you can. Like how the bit crushed sound of boom bap and French house was created by sampling a sped up vinyl and pitching the sample back down in the sampler to get longer samples into the machine. That sound grew out of necessity but became a characteristic sound of the genres. I guess what I’m saying is, it would be challenging to recreate someone like Dillas sound completely in the box. That doesn’t mean you need to buy hardware, or an SP303 / 404. It just means you’re using different tools and workflows that will impact the final style / sound. It’s different but that’s okay. I love the 303 though. I highly recommend picking one up if you like the sound of dilla / madlib / doom. It is a longer process for chopping samples etc. but great for decision making (as it is destructive most of the time) and adding a bit more performance and humanism into your beats. Hope that helps. Peace
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
It helps a lot!! I seen quite a few commenters talking about the SP's isolator. I didn't know about it. Seems incredibly powerful and I want something like that as a software!! Just while I don't have the money to invest in hardware, because I 100% will. The saturation/character you get is unmatched! About secrets of the sand I've tried autowahs 6 months ago, but never occurred to me to automated it! Also really cool the idea of 2 signals, one wet and one try and mixing in the wet sample imitating the rhythm Dilla has! I will make it with what I have, it is the conclusion of the video! I just gotta improve my work flow and pick a genre, because I love too many styles of music, but I cannot do 5 different styles at once... at least not for now!! Appreciate you so much! Thanks for taking the time. This comment section is 🔥🔥
@Eric-LB
2 жыл бұрын
@@Narokx No bother. Ableton’s EQ Three does a similar kinda thing to the SP303’s Isolator effect. Probably doesn’t sound the exact same but might get you in the ballpark and you could add additional filtering, or downsampling etc. I agree with you that the saturation and character of hardware is hard to emulate in the computer. I like Mac DeMarco’s approach of buying really cheap bits to use. You can pick up cheap effects and run the signal hot through them to saturate sounds. It all depends what you’re going for. What’s great about something like the 303, is that it colours all the sounds and helps gel / glue them together. I’m figuring out my process with the 303 but most likely I’ll be creating various loops and then running them through my outboard mixer into the box and arranging / mixing them in Ableton. Running them through my mixer will again help the give a holistic sound to the different loops. Madlib would do similar with his basslines, he would isolate a bass sound from a track he sampled and use that for a bassline, so it all sounds like it came from the one recording session. I’m applying this thinking to the above. Yeah, the automation could be a coll thing to play with. I think you could also get some really interesting loops from the resampling method too. So, bounce the audio with the wobbly effect on it, then chop it up and only replace small bits of the original audio without the effect with the wobbly bits. Don’t worry about picking a style. Just do you. Make what feels right. Music is about capturing a vibe of that moment.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
@John Freeman noted! Appreciate you
@djtheman9
2 жыл бұрын
One aspect of sample rate that it seems like you don’t understand is that setting the sample rate to 1000hz would actually cut out all frequencies above 500 Hz. That’s why your examples sound so different. You cut one at 1k and the other at 500hz. The sample rate has to be double the frequency in order to capture the compression (top) and rarefaction (bottom) of the wave. Hence the standard of 44.1k for CDs. 44.1k ensures all 20,000hz of human hearing range will be covered
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
See someone already posted this and blew my mind. But my rebuttal is that even if I filter twice as much on the EQ, the sample will still sound different than when I downsample. I don't understand completely why that happens, but it is what makes the techniques distinct
@DjMiflyn
2 жыл бұрын
I think you might be over complicating a lot of these sounds. The samples are most likely being EQ’d from a dj mixer on the way into the MPC causing them to have more or less of the desired frequencies. Was probably recorded pitched up an octave and tuned down to the desired pitch to save sample time and add grit. Then filtered with resonance in the MPC. The warbling sound from “Secrets of the Sand” is most likely the MPC filter being opened with an envelope on specific parts of the sound like a wah wah pedal.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
I mean what you explained it not super simple tho But yeah I tend to overcomplicate things so I am not even mad at the comment. And I also appreciate your suggestion!!
@MillarRecords
2 жыл бұрын
Facts bro
@djtheman9
2 жыл бұрын
Spot on. When you’re familiar with the gear available and it’s limitations, it really narrows down the techniques that are even possible to have been used.
@jonathanpena7309
2 жыл бұрын
So excited for the upcoming breakdowns!
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
Madlib next !
@jonathanpena7309
2 жыл бұрын
@@Narokx YOOOOOOO
@BuiltbyF
2 жыл бұрын
One good way to emulate that "airy" sound is to play the source in a one room and place your mic in a different room to record, then increase gain etc to taste
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
Mic positioning is something I know I eventually need to learn, but at the same time I want to stay as far away as possible lol
@DJChUnks64
2 жыл бұрын
your channel is truly a gem and a underground secret i feel like thankyou for posting such amazing ass videos that really clearly shows how the sampling techniques and whats being done to them it’s really insightful 🙏 🙏
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
:)
@ludvignorling5438
2 жыл бұрын
You can use phase cancellation to check what difference for example a plugin makes to your sound!
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
If this works, it is a nice way to check your work!
@MrBoom420
2 жыл бұрын
8:00 id imagine he used a high pass filter and a down sampler
@hokkym.6348
2 жыл бұрын
Use a linear phase eq, roll off the highs (remember to roll off everything you want to keep, and nothing more you don’t), reverse the polarity of one and you’re done
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
WHAT!!!! I've spent so much time... so many attempts, and I didn't even consider changing to liner phase on PRO Q3!! IT WORKS!! I can fucking phase cancel/downsample backwards I just tested it buuut the sad part is when I compared the result to a highpass brick wall they were identical, so even tho it is possible to phase cancel the lowend, it doesn't give a new texture to the sample like downsampling does Good to know tho, thanks for the comment, I hear I should always change the EQ to linear phase when done with mixing !!
@hokkym.6348
2 жыл бұрын
@@Narokx haha i’m glad i could help! Maybe there is something more to it, to get other textures, but this is a good start for experimenting.
@boredv3
2 жыл бұрын
@@Narokx dude, the comment you showed in the video literally explains step by step how to downsample in reverse. I tried what the comment said, and it worked for me. I'll try guiding you in other words: 1. Take sample of choice 2. Put it through Bitcrusher of choice and downsample to frequency of choice 3. Export Downsampled sample 4. Remove Bitcrusher from original sample (listen to difference in original and downsampled version) 5. line up both versions of the sample (if you press play now, the bass frequencies will overlap -> louder bass) 6. reverse the polarity of the downsampled sample (you can also reverse the polarity of the original sample. But only reverse polarity of one!!) 7. Done Congrats, you now have a sample without bass frequencies. Maybe I misunderstood your search for backwards downsampling. Like a Plugin that has this result by turning a single knob? Anyways, this is how to "upsample" i guess (lol) Have some fun playing around with this! I certainly enjoy the effect and I'm very thankful for finding out about this trick via your channel!
@boredv3
2 жыл бұрын
I just realized you can skip the export. Just: 1. create a copy of the original sample and flip polarity 2. put it on a seperate mixing channel and apply downsampling Done You should now have a Signal without Bass
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
@@boredv3 I got "resolved"! When I change the PRO EQ3 to linear phasing I can phase out the low end without affect the high end... But sadly when I compared to a simple brickwall highpass filter I found the results to the exactly the same But I will try again your way without using a filter! (I love naming upsample lol) Appreciate you!!
@jbmbeatz
2 жыл бұрын
Yancey Boys- "Flowers" beat released in (2013) is track 4 from Dilla's the 1997 Batch. For downsampling it's possible the Akai S950 could have been used in sampling signal chain. On the S950 you have Resample at half bandwidth option. You can keep resampling at half bandwidth with the press of a button until the Akai S950 displays (Enough Already!)
@YXNGJUGO-2
2 жыл бұрын
this style of video is fire 🔥 i literally sit around doing shit like this all day😭
@iengineer_247
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing how to downsample I will use this soon. Mostly I use a high pass filter to cut low end out of track to add my own bass or I duplicate the track one has a a hi pass and the other one I use a low pass on it. The low pass one I add a chorus affect to to have a modulation vibe to let the vocals come over it. It's all manipulation and experimental at the end of the day. I also found years ago when I ws learning production how Ski Beatz did Dead Presidents J's track on how he did the sample filters.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
this is awesome! Yeah it is hard to add effects to samples without muddin up the low end, so separating the high and low end before adding chorus and stuff like delay and reverb important! Thanks for the reminder, I don't do this often enough!!!
@chriscash782
Жыл бұрын
I can never get enough Dilla content :0)
@youtubewatcher2006
2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Keep at it. I have some Dilla knowledge to share: This is from several gearslutz posts years ago. The info came from people who knew him personally. They said he used to track out his beats from his MPC 3000 at a professional studio and the tracks where mixed as individual stems. Then later he had his own studio in his Detroit basement. There he would not track out individual tracks but 2 track the whole mix through a compressor and then into ProTools. No separation of sounds. The compressor he used was a Pre-Sonus ACP 88. But the two tracked songs would still be mastered by a mastering engineer.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate you! Also what an amazing comment! I love this comment section! There is so much game in here
@dn30001
2 жыл бұрын
Dave Cooley was his engineer
@jeremiahlofton4534
2 жыл бұрын
Woah so he used stems and protools
@dn30001
2 жыл бұрын
@@jeremiahlofton4534 Madlib on the other hand??? 😂😂😂😂😂
@jeremiahlofton4534
2 жыл бұрын
@@dn30001 I get what you mean but this was before Jay evolved to J dilla signing with stones throw records with madlib
@lyomon9981
2 жыл бұрын
that clap your hands beat from jdilla as crazy low end ... nice btw e nois
@richiestarks6163
2 жыл бұрын
My guess was dilla, chopped the original drums from the song and then applied the effect on the MPC, then layered the drums on top.
@yessir1473
2 жыл бұрын
great video man🙂
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, this one took forever, I feel I was too ambitious with the editing, but it worked out!
@lionelluney3063
2 жыл бұрын
The secret of the sands is a way effect combined with the legacy mpc filters
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
You mean "wah" instead of "way" right? And I will check to see if there is any software that can emulate the legacy MPC filter... fingers crossed!!
@mostdizzy4376
2 жыл бұрын
Secret of the sand effect is an eq that resonate. This is Pete rock style. A JD favorite is PR. Downsampling is always there with Dilla assuming he was using a 3000 all the time. The phase switch is often use the other way around to trigger a side chain without getting the low in the signal since the attack is more midhigh vibes. Hope that helps
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
It does, it summarizes a lot of the ideas people shared in this comment section! I can't wait to try it. The EQ thing is such a DJ trick, I use it for transitions, but never thought of using it throughout the loop!
@mostdizzy4376
2 жыл бұрын
@@Narokx there's a interview where pete rock recall playing around with a knob of an eq
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
@@mostdizzy4376 you have a link? Maaaan I gotta do some Pete Rock!
@mostdizzy4376
2 жыл бұрын
@@Narokx no link. Pete is the best
@jondeep232
2 жыл бұрын
Got the same problem with sampling dilla’s much more!! So helpful!!
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
:)
@Mystic-Philly
2 жыл бұрын
Dilla used an MPC 3000 for his sounds, he would also sample from old school maxell tapes, vinyl, and reel to reels, plug-ins make the art too easy or lazy. He would use the filters in the 3000. Trust when you master it (MPC 3000) it becomes super easy. The MPC 3000 does some incredible things. You will not get the same sound using plugins. I still own the one I purchased in 96. It’s nothing like it. If you can get one purchase it. This new technology will not even come close to the sound your looking for. You must learn and master it….
@wunorfleet2880
2 жыл бұрын
Never had a mpc, only worked on reason… but I still do the vinil thing. It will be worth buy one? Yep, using plug-ins really fell processed and easy, it’s like touching in something I really don’t understand.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah the color and grit you get from the processor of the hardware is unmatched. There is a reason Kanye still uses it. One day man, once I get the money :)
@jamesjr2550
2 жыл бұрын
Right I have su700 and mv-8000 and the analog filters on them sound way different them any plugin I have a few samplers
@jamesjr2550
2 жыл бұрын
I never used the 3000 I have the 555 505 404 mk2 and og and a sampletrak
@jamesjr2550
2 жыл бұрын
@@Narokx them old samplers are sp's are good for making samplers i like to run stuff from my pc to my samplers then back into the pc the su and roland mv get real gritty
@Iamkreat
2 жыл бұрын
Yo maybe it was mentioned in comments but that wobbling in secrets of the sand it's a dynamic lopass filt with res,so that filter reacting to the transients.Filterfreak got it
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
I will try it out. Like I mentioned I'm not the greatest at phasers. But it is about time I get good :)
@Iamkreat
2 жыл бұрын
@@Narokx same with me,but that definitely not a phaser,even if it sounds similar.go with filter with envelope function with attack and release so filter acting depending on the peaks of incoming audio,adjust freq and res and you good
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
@@Iamkreat People mentioned a filter sweep that is opening and closing with an automation. Also an automated wah might be it too. I am not short of new ideas to try at this point! This comment section has been enlightening
@Iamkreat
2 жыл бұрын
@@Narokx yea you can automate all the "wah" shit (i used to use LFO's n shit) but if sample already got this groove that you need dynamic approach very good,besides that i know this from interview of bunch of people worked with dilla,one of them mentioned dynamic filter that dilla used to use in some of his devices,i asked wtf is dynamic filt and after some researches there you go
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
@@Iamkreat Yeah I used this effect on transitions, it is sort of a DJ thing, I would have never thought of using it to create a groove on a loop. Dilla was insane. Someone else commented that he got that from Pete Rock!!
@BogotaBanana
2 жыл бұрын
Great video, got me inspired to just create and make music no matter the gear. Keep it up.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
:) !!!!!
@dotConcept
2 жыл бұрын
yeah dude, i literally fired up my ableton at the end of the video. Time to get crafty haha
@BodyOfPlayMusic
2 жыл бұрын
Great video man, never doubt yourself, keep the vision alive!!
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
:)
@swandaley
2 жыл бұрын
I love the moral of the story at the end of the vid. Also, I subscribed. This is very valuable content.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
:)
@lionelluney3063
2 жыл бұрын
Flowers question simple . The legacy mpc filters knob turned 3/4 of the way down leaving you with 20-80 hz of signal with the resonator turned up to about 3% you can recreate this on most daws the actual #s aren’t in my head at the moment
@lionelluney3063
2 жыл бұрын
It’s also pitched down
@lionelluney3063
2 жыл бұрын
His tape emulation was tape lol
@lionelluney3063
2 жыл бұрын
Tape emulators suck but you can grab a decent tascam or pioneer mix down deck clean it up and you ready
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
That's hella specific. I appreciate the tips! I know all the other stuff because I have a breakdown already done! And yeeahhh, they didn't need tape emulation because tape was widely available, now I gotta look for someone selling an old broken one and try to repair it :(
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
@@lionelluney3063 hardware>software but honestly hardware is luxury. When I am stablished financially I will get my hands on some, but until then I can justify the cost
@tomahawkANDscopZ
Жыл бұрын
So a few things I wanted to mention that I think would help you out with the sounds you're trying to get and relating to the video in general. With the downsampling/bitcrushing type sound you're talking about, you have to remember the techniques that was common at the time and one of the main techniques that gives a sound like this unintentionally is due to recording the sample. To get more sample time from a record ( due to most "maschines" of the time having a sample limit) you would pitch the record up on the turntable and then pitch it back down in the sampler afterwards, this process ends up doing a form of downsampling like what youre talking about, but also something else. The low pass sound that keeps some of the high youre talking about is from using a soft low pass filter ( one with a longer gradient) and then bringing up the resonance in the filter. This spikes up some of the high end in the way youre looking for, you can do this on most of the old samplers and on the new ones too. For the specific songs I'd like to give some suggestions. 1. Flowers. If I'm not mistaken, flowers was the name attributed to one of the tracks ripped off of a beat tape, the recording you normally hear of flowers is a digital recording of a recording from tape, hence the tape sound you get on not just the sample, but the drums aswell ( the grainyness and weird light distortion of the kick) Also I believe some form of the low pass resonance technique I talked about before was used here aswell. The saturation you hear is most likely from the tape recording aswell, as most recordings on to tape have a saturation sound due to whatever was used to record the sound to tape. 2.Secrets of the sand. With this track its using a technique which I have used for ages. It's a low pass again, with the resonance up quite alot, but this time its sweeping. This sweeping can be done by applying the low pass to an LFO, though I think the way dilla would have done this due to the low pass seeming to move more to the sample that a straight rythmn was through automation, he likely automated the low pass sweep or just did the movement by hand the entire way through the recording. and for the Backwards downsampling type affect, the commentor @The Bengineer summed it up pretty well. Its really similar to the technique youre already using. I hope some of this helped. You will never get a perfect replication as you said near the end of the video. I would recommend buying an MPC or Sp to get more understanding of the way the indiviual sampler shapes the sound (for example the effects of the 303, like damn some people buy the 303 just for its effects).
@Narokx
Жыл бұрын
Another incredible comment on the best comment section on KZitem ! My biggest takeway from this vidio is that I didn't know at the time about the power and wide range of ways to use resonance. Flower I found the right version of the sample. As another commenter suggested! Secrets of the sand is giving me a hard time. Other people mentioned the sweeping resonance, but I still can't get it right, or at least similar enough. I am learning and working on a resonance video, but I want to get secrets of the sand down first. So instead for now, what I am doing is a video with all the Dilla breakdowns that I am almost done with, but asking if anyone knows a way to finish them. Hopefully I can get some help in finishing these analyses !!
@tomahawkANDscopZ
Жыл бұрын
@@Narokx thank you man, I appreciate it. I also wanna say I love your video’s and you’re putting a lot of effort into deep diving which a lot of the other channels talking about samples do not. Keep up the good work and I’ll be watching.
@Narokx
Жыл бұрын
@@tomahawkANDscopZ :)
@keithscharfman5326
2 жыл бұрын
If you don't have one yet, buy an SP303. You can get them on eBay for about $500. This will help you get a lot of the sounds you are looking for. It has a handful of effects that you cannot find anywhere else. They just sound different. Perfect for lofi. Madlib, MF Doom, and Dilla all used this machine religiously. Personally, I incorporate it with my MPC and use the effects when needed. There is nothing like sampling into it.
@keithscharfman5326
2 жыл бұрын
The Wobble comes from the 303 too. It's called WAH on the 303.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
Let me get to 10k subs before casually dropping $500 But yeah, that's probably going to be the gift I give myself whenever I reach 10k :)
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
@@keithscharfman5326 in the meantime... I wish Roland made these effects as plugins, maybe I can find something like that
@yankhompokosa
2 жыл бұрын
This is my favourite production technique
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
Yeee so much room for the snare and hats and vocals. I love using pads, so this is awesome !
@damiana5268
2 жыл бұрын
Its not tape emulation. Its recorded to tape
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
That's pretty much what I meant :) back in the day of course they wouldn't use tape emulation, because they had tape machines. I think nowadays you have to buy an old one and have it patched up, I don't think they release them anymore
@triplebeam23
2 жыл бұрын
As far as the phase cancelation u flip the polarity and as long as vocals in one and no vocals in the other you can get the acapellas
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
A few people mentioned this, and it sounds crazy. I want to watch some tutorials and see the result. I need to compare it to vocalremover's website to see if it is even better
@vidaraul9318
2 жыл бұрын
The wabble sound is definitely a wah fx from a Roland SP unit (either 404 or 303 - not sure if the 303 had a wah fx but my 404sx and the OG 404 had one)
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
I have a few auto-wah presets I can try... But I want that as a plugin so baaad.... actually I really want the SP404, they expensive, but one day I need to have it. Does it fulfill on the promise of giving the beat the character/color of 90s shit? I heard the hardware is crazy
@vidaraul9318
2 жыл бұрын
@@Narokx it deffo does, i run samples through it to filter and put FX on. Amazing little unit. The 404sx and 404As will go down in price pretty soon as the new mk2 models were released this year. I recommend the @spvidz channel if you interested in anything 404 related
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
@@vidaraul9318 appreciate you A LOT
@jamesjr2550
2 жыл бұрын
@@vidaraul9318 the mk2 so fire bruh I have the og but the mk2 been my most used tool since I got it
@jamesjr2550
2 жыл бұрын
@@vidaraul9318 dibiase stream I learn a few tips on the mk2 from his stream here on utube I I can recommend verysickbeats aswell he does sp related videos
@shirouescobar309
2 жыл бұрын
Bro... I found krush thanks to your previous video, i started to use with rx950, also i use it for make a flylo style beats. Btw nice video
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
Aweeesome, I'm always surprised that you can find really great quality stuff for free!!
@ladyheroin.v4143
2 жыл бұрын
Fuck man your editing is so nice. I wish I could help with some of your questions but I'm a noob.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
The questions is really me just tired of trying new things and getting nowhere with my research... So I was like "you know what I need to finish this video already, so Imma just ask lol" Also! Don't worry, we all get good at something by overcoming being bad for a long time
@ladyheroin.v4143
2 жыл бұрын
@@Narokx true bro and maybe you can ask houseshoes. Sometimes he's active on KZitem.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
@@ladyheroin.v4143 Yooo I've seen him in documentaries, I didn't know he was around like that, I will check it out! Appreciate you!!
@3iofthestorm
2 жыл бұрын
downsampling backwards actually works and is pretty useful if you're trying to get drums out of a groove, same with removing the bass from a sample to replace with your own bassline
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
I figured out how to do it. I might have it wrong, because it gave me the same effects as a simple high pass filter. But I have a lot of people in this comment section that gave great feedback and gave me great ideas!
@EV-47
2 жыл бұрын
you have some amazing videos that definitely help a lot. keep it up man!
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Will do!
@antonioantonioantonio
2 жыл бұрын
Muito bom ver um video bom assim de um brasileiro!!
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
Valeu man :)
@0scill8r
2 жыл бұрын
people really curious about how J Dilla went about making his beats should read Dan Charnas’ book “Dilla Time”. While we can analyze, his signature will never be boiled down to a T because he was creating anomalies in time for us to consider. I do think analysis is very worthwhile but you gotta recognize J Dilla was a musical sphinx of sorts.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
It is his sonic, they feeling he evokes. If I can borrow some of that for my own music it would be great! Lotta producers feel the same way. I watched the author's interview with Rick Rubin, and it was enlightening. I will read it as soon as I get my hands on a physical copy!
@crazyups2397
2 жыл бұрын
On secrets of the sand…I think he just sidechained the sample to duck the drum group
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
Imma try it out!!
@rock9Tray
7 ай бұрын
Secrets of the sand - the wah wah sound may be some kind of wah wah pedal. I once read an interview with pete rock talking about a convo he had with dilla where he was inquisitive of that sound and he thought it was a wah wah pedal. He said dilla denied it but nudged that it was similar.
@Narokx
6 ай бұрын
I was able to find solutions to so many of these... Secrets of the Sand isn't one of them... I am still perplexed, I tried automating filters while paying attention to the resonance, but still feels like I am far away 😭
@sovereigncosmicwildman
2 жыл бұрын
7:06 - That's actually my absolute favorite JDilla beat, so interdimensionally fresh, spiritual !!
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
Sunbeams? I've gotten a lot of comments about it. I think the next releases are, Madlib, Dilla sunbeams, then some Nujabes or 9th wonder
@sovereigncosmicwildman
2 жыл бұрын
@@Narokx Yup Sunbeams. I still don't know how to do that hi hat trick in this one, if you can break that down that'd be awesome
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
@@sovereigncosmicwildman It is my next breakdown to be posted... I will give you a sneak peak preview for the drums. It is Grady Tate - Be Black Baby, Dilla rearranged the drum pattern for the beat!!!
@mintautosales8349
2 жыл бұрын
Roland sp series have the tricks that you ae looking for.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! That's the conclusion I am getting to. Good on Roland for rereleasing these amazing products. Sadly I don't have that kind of expendable income to buy hardware, also software is easier for these videos, so if they have some of the effect as plugins it would be awesome. :)
@Thelonious_Coltrane
2 жыл бұрын
Flower’s sample is good overlayed on mpc plus filtered up and down
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip!!
@adamb2408
2 жыл бұрын
Phase cancellation is useful if you want to create diy acapellas. In one track you have the song, in the other, it’s instrumental. Flip the instrumental and you’re left with the vocals.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
Niiice
@chriscash782
Жыл бұрын
That wobble phaser sounds like maybe he had some hardware phaser and manually turned the knob on the resonance at certain points and right back.
@Narokx
Жыл бұрын
That's the leading theory! I've never explored resonance in sampling, but I've seen some interesting results since! Video on it coming soon!
@chriscash782
Жыл бұрын
@@Narokx Yeah I remember some interview with Pete rock talking about some phaser hardware he used to have that he was trying to find again and it was supposedly very sensitive. Maybe Dilla was using the same one. If I can find the interview I’ll link it
@damonmelendez1543
2 жыл бұрын
It’s the 3000 Mpc all Mpc except except new one all of the older one filter out the hi’s not the lows
@moresnqp
2 жыл бұрын
im too familiar with limitations of mpc and all that, but on Secrets of the Sand, could he have resampled the sample with phasing at different points? idk if itd work and not be real messy, but thats my first instinct.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
Mine too, but I couldn't get it to work. I got some cool ideas from this comment section tho. There is a lot of game in here !!
@hip-hopfan9153
2 жыл бұрын
You just definitely try using an isolator from the sp303.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
for flowers? Maaan 300 to 500 bucks is expensive, I need those effects as plugins... it's gonna take me awhile to be able to afford the hardware
@jordan992020
2 жыл бұрын
Great video, can you make one about the Apollo Brown technique? Around its sidechain effects?
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
I am not aware of it, but I will 100% check it out and see if it warrants a video
@jordan992020
2 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/14aF0WeIg510Zpw feel this
@ProdByQuaDear
2 жыл бұрын
Subbed for jun!!!
@ceciliafbrown373
2 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial! Do you think he may of put his sample through an analog tape machine as you can mess around with the ips on the tape machine and then finally using a compressor.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
I 100% think he had a tape machine, and I will one day have one. It is a pain in the ass to get one, because most models have been discontinued, but everyone I know that fixed an old one does not regret going through the struggle!
@Drrolfski
2 жыл бұрын
Sunbeams is probably my favorite J Dilla track. I have actually been wondering for a while how he processed that sample because you can definitely hear that there's more to it than just a lowpass filter with the resonance turned up. As for wobbling, isn't that just a matter of tweaking with an LFO?
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
The melody was pretty straight forward. I just highlighted where he used it and it was just a low pass filter. I focused more on the drum chops which the rearrangement is always facinating to me. But now if you wanted to get the melody 100% correct it would be interesting messing with the resonance, because there is definitely some weird frequencies he enhance! Thanks for the LFO recommendation. Asking those questions in the video was a fruitful idea! I got so many new ideas to try now. I hate being stuck on some breakdowns,and this has been illuminating!!
@AlexChenification
2 жыл бұрын
Can be LFO can be done in automation can also be done using wah pedal
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
@@AlexChenification LFO is another idea I haven't tried yet. I am getting so many cool theories on how to do it, I will try my best to make a breakdown for secrets of the sand happen!
@errolerddyworkman
2 жыл бұрын
@@Narokx Dibiase uses a lot of this wah wah effect. His nephew did a video and briefly showing it. kzitem.info/news/bejne/qa9rxXuHb6Z4dXY
@renzobond
2 жыл бұрын
a sound engineering student here, let me tell you about the theory behind this. because of nyquist theorem, the sample rate must at least be twice the maximum frequency you want to sample so no aliasing happens, which would add unwanted frequencies and sounds to the sample. therefore, nowadays every sampling device or program has already a lowpass filter incorporated which cuts exactly at twice the sample rate, so you STILL hava a filter on, even if you want it of not. yet i cannot explain why it still cuts the middle frequencies better, i loved this discovery and this video about it, but maybe to try it really out you should downsample at exactly twice the frequency you cut off on the filter and see the difference there. great video anyway
@renzobond
2 жыл бұрын
that explains why usually the sample rate is 44,1khz, to be able to get all audible frequencies up to 20khz
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
This is an awesome comment man. Really explains the science behind the practice! Now even if I EQ filter twice as much as I downsample the result is still different. I tried "Much More" for months, multiple attempts, and I can tell you no filtering technique works nowhere near as well as downsampling did. Another theory I've seen is from this video kzitem.info/news/bejne/2JhpypmLfnSfbGk A bunch of Dilla peers, talking about it. One of them called it "Phasing out" but I not sure if he knew the terminology well, because he may not have known, it is called downsampling, so he would be explaining the same thing, just different term.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
rewind the vid a bit, he is talking exactly about Much More
@renzobond
2 жыл бұрын
@@Narokx i know right, knowing the theory seeing the practice being different surprised me a lot and as a producer im glad y could visually see the difference and consider ir as another technique. still loved your video and how deep you digged in the issue, keep it up
@renzobond
2 жыл бұрын
@@Narokx and if you want a good explanation on the theory i talked about watch this awesome video kzitem.info/news/bejne/mmeGsY6ipZSYl6g
@vidaraul9318
2 жыл бұрын
Flowers Dilla was using a machine called sp303 (or sp202 not sure) for sampling and that machine could sanple in at different sample rates hifi/standard/lofi/lofi2, so maybe thats how he did it.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
I think you are on the right track, and like I mentioned in the pin comment, I think that is the reason so many people are buying the new SP-404, because Roland promised it would give the same sound
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
@@rockbwoyindabuilding5397 I didn't know this piece of lore! I am getting so much from this comment section
@ascendedmasta
2 жыл бұрын
Not sure if this is how Dilla did it, but...it sounds to me like he downsampled, sidechained that sound to a bandpass filter set to the freq. he wanted, and that would dynamically increase (vertically/horizontally) as the info was passed through. Might be overthinking it, but that would explain the downsampled sound, the tape waw/warble and why the specific melodic frequencies are present. ✌️
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
That's a new idea! Maybe a side chain on the dynamic EQ or even on Filter Freak. Worth a try! thanks
@angelogutierrez3172
2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think he’s using a phaser. I use an MPC and I use a plug-in called and “Auto-Wah” I think it’s like a phaser and a flanger atst
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
I think I tried an autowah a couple months ago. I will try with different presets and see if I can make it happen, maybe with some automation! I really want to finish that breakdown!!! Secrets of the sand is beautiful
@Drunk_Bishop
2 жыл бұрын
Were you ever able to discover how Jdilla did Flowers? I can't wrap my head around how he sampled that. I keep thinking it might be played in separately somehow or maybe he destroyed and repaired the audio a bunch to get this isolated yet audible sound.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
Out of all the theories I've seen in the comment section my favorite is that I was using the wrong mix of the song! They linked me a version that I feel I can isolate through stereo manipulation. I'm getting super busy but I haven't given up on the idea of doing a big video, correcting/explaining more of some of my old breakdown
@marialeonetepparente4720
2 жыл бұрын
Parabéns amor! Te amamos 😍❤👏👏👏🤗
@Mr.EKmusic
2 жыл бұрын
Technically digital eq's use phase cancelation to work 🤯
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
The more you know :o
@SixSenseMedia
2 жыл бұрын
maybe when dilla did flowers, when he recorded the sample from the vinyl maybe he recorded the sample at a slightly slower speed, and then sped it up again in his mpc or thru a tape machine and also i think the chords are chopped still the same ''progression'' tho if u know what im sayin
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
It is the same progression, he didn't chop it rearrange it. Th impressive part is that the melody sounds so loud and brassy on the sample, but Dilla made it soooo smooth. I think the simpler answer is a tape preset like you mention, or an effect on his SP
@SpeezyOTB
2 жыл бұрын
I degrade the sample rate on single instruments that I want to have a more grainy texture. Sometimes it does the trick other times filters are necessary.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
I wanna make a bunch of melodies using the technique so I get used to using it. I think thr potential is awesome, especially to blend many instruments
@SpeezyOTB
2 жыл бұрын
@@Narokx yeah and add some retro color you can get some pretty wavy vibes
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
@@SpeezyOTB :)
@rhys69420
7 ай бұрын
At 4:52, Much More is a 3 bar loop too, right?
@yungstreichholz
5 ай бұрын
Im gonna have a breakdown soon too 😔
@TheBackyardShow818
2 жыл бұрын
With all the right knowledge, analog is superior in the long run.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
yeeeap but they expensive, so spend wisely my friends
@HecstrumentalsBeats
Жыл бұрын
I think he used the minimoog to filter stuff
@beatsforsale.shop.
2 жыл бұрын
Where is the mpc?
@elMaxx5
2 жыл бұрын
Ex-so-lent tutorial!!!
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
:)
@kanebit
2 жыл бұрын
nice
@dc0usa
2 жыл бұрын
just pitch down on hardware
@robertopascale.mp4
2 жыл бұрын
bro you must be talking purposely over beats cause that shit goes quite hard like at 9:18
@robertopascale.mp4
2 жыл бұрын
if i was good i'd sample that thang out it's lowkey fire
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
:)
@jasondugas8184
2 жыл бұрын
Of course the FL guy calls a Boss 303 "some rare, shitty hardware"...
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
Bruh... I would have called it its name if I knew what it was. But Imma thank you for letting me know the name of it!! Also don't DAW discriminate
@jasondugas8184
2 жыл бұрын
@@Narokx sorry my comment was a little salty. But Dilla's use of the 303 is really well documented
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
@@jasondugas8184 no problem, and I appreciate the game!
@jamesjr2550
2 жыл бұрын
I'm fl guy and have a few hardware samplers 😂
@jamesjr2550
2 жыл бұрын
@@Narokx yeah its fun to use the daws and hardware together I use fl with the 404 mk2 as of now my favorite combo
@darrengordon-hill
2 жыл бұрын
OMG, I make more (unfinished) beats than I post
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
The producer struggle
@carlylefernandes
2 жыл бұрын
Anyone knows the best way to Downsample in Logic Pro X?
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
I mean there must be a way. But you can always download the free plugin I mentioned! It should work in every DAW
@carlylefernandes
2 жыл бұрын
@@Narokx Gonna try that one, thank you
@2ryce
2 жыл бұрын
wah wah pedal
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
:)
@badlucksoma
2 жыл бұрын
W
@leonardopeixoto2289
2 жыл бұрын
👏👏👏👏
@boisauceanime1598
2 жыл бұрын
He didn't use a phaser on secrets of the sand he used Wah but I'm not sure either cause I've been trying to make a secrets of the sand just like his and I'm still failing at it 😅
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
It is anything but simple. Really worth the struggle tho, because the effect is crazy and the beat sounds soooo good
@boisauceanime1598
2 жыл бұрын
@@Narokx the effect is crazy I've been trying alot to get it to how it is, it's hard cause I don't really don't know how his Wah goes.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
@@boisauceanime1598 read this comment section. It is brilliant! Now I have so many new ideas to try
@boisauceanime1598
2 жыл бұрын
@@Narokx what comment section?
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
@@boisauceanime1598 this video's comment section. There are some awesome essays in here lol
@user-ze5ss8ny1p
2 жыл бұрын
kRUSh dosent work. With the seting you showed it's just making noice /
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
I didn't give you any settings, those were illustrative. But I know crush can do it, I just didn't go in depth because the video isn't a plugin tutorial
@user-ze5ss8ny1p
2 жыл бұрын
@@Narokx got you any way that was confusing from your side.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
@@user-ze5ss8ny1p I get it. Next time I will put up an image instead of a video cut out. Sorry that you spent time copying something wrong. I hate doing that, even when I'm copying synth setting from videos
@user-ze5ss8ny1p
2 жыл бұрын
@@Narokx thx, it was a really exciting video anyway, its a rarity to stumble on a KZitem video that will actually teach you something, at least for me. If it wasn't you I would never know probably that I can "eq" like that .
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
@@user-ze5ss8ny1p thaaanks! Means a lor
@marialeonetepparente4720
2 жыл бұрын
👏👏👏👏👏😍🌺🌹
@leoniceparente7783
2 жыл бұрын
😍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@nickhatcher4519
2 жыл бұрын
JDilla and Drake shouldn’t be in the same video.
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
I mean... it was relevant And I also try not to hate
@Domtlc
2 жыл бұрын
I must have missed the part where Drake came in to share too
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
You don't know who 40 is huh? I said on the beginning of the vid tho...
@Dubbudha
2 жыл бұрын
You don't have to add Drake in your titel. Don't you think that most people watching your video know that he is not a producer?
@kerrymelonson3201
2 жыл бұрын
Why would someone want to emulate and imitate someone’s music who’s been dead for 15+ years. We loved Dilla because he was making advances in the sound & musicality of hip hop. Why tf do y’all want to keep sounding like 20 years ago?! Do something new! Go beyond Dilla. Hey guys, it’s 2022, not 2006. Drake’s music sounds like expensive wallpaper, not art
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
You can always fuse the old with the new the create a new wave. Every dope artist I follow studied their elders, they paved the way. I take inspiration from them, I'm not trying to copy.
@zapataeduardo4556
2 жыл бұрын
Niqqa Drake don't even produce
@camodeano3003
2 жыл бұрын
Hate this title cause Drake doesn’t produce
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
Fair, but it is KZitem, so blame the game not the player. It will always be better to name drop Drake than 40 :( But the content is still relevant
@SHRWM
2 жыл бұрын
this just reminded me to buy decimort. cheers
@Narokx
2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Their bundle is worth it. Great stuff... I should try to get these videos sponsored more often...
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