Just found an original Ringside Ticket for this fight in my mothers stuff.. My Grandpa was at this fight.. Never expected to find a video of it. =)
@mickylawless1941
11 ай бұрын
My Grandfather, with friends snuck through the fence and watched this fight.
@robdogkunz9540
5 ай бұрын
Just wow....Gibbons was a great uncle of mine. My father spoke of his uncle the hall of famer tommy gibbons. Cool to see footage of him even though it was at the end of his career
@gregcoleman9677
4 ай бұрын
Gibbons was my great uncle too. You and I are related. 🥊 😊
@robdogkunz9540
4 ай бұрын
@@gregcoleman9677 oh wow that is too cool. My grandmothers name was Nell. I am related to him on her side of the family. The gibbons obviously. My second cousin was named after Mike Gibbons
@michaelmiller2397
Жыл бұрын
100 years ago as of 2023.
@michaelkearney5562
8 жыл бұрын
The beginning of the fight is being shown the wrong way around. Note that they both appear to be southpaws during the first round.
@Lava1964
6 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing! Thanks for confirming it!
@carspiv
5 жыл бұрын
Michael Kearney ....plus, the round card that was held up has a backwards “1” on it
@ArchieFatcackie
4 жыл бұрын
I’m glad it wasn’t just me!
@ronaldlevao8251
10 ай бұрын
The film editor (Jimmy Jacobs?) was just having a feel-'em-out first round with the projector
@extoraxot
12 жыл бұрын
gracias por el aprote, muy bueno
@garymorris1856
5 жыл бұрын
Great to watch.
@Section5_CdnIntelService
3 жыл бұрын
Gibbons could punch. Of his 56 official wins 48 were by KO.
@ReemusBoxing
6 жыл бұрын
If you like film studies of the great old fighters like Dempsey, go to my page. Got a full career breakdown of his skills - Reemus
@crevice5369
6 жыл бұрын
Reemus Boxing no
@TheBatugan77
4 жыл бұрын
@@crevice5369 👈👺 Yes. If you don't want a steel toed boot jammed up your ass.
@pimpompoom93726
4 жыл бұрын
Was Gibbons a southpaw? I wasn't aware of that.
@SickBoy666100
3 жыл бұрын
no, the video is inverted
@benzoryze7247
4 жыл бұрын
I live in Shelby
@TheBatugan77
4 жыл бұрын
Never been to Shelby. But drove a Mustang with a Shelby engine once. Nice.
@johncherrios8695
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheBatugan77 qrkdkyhyrytut A0
@marylynnedevera8011
2 жыл бұрын
What is your name benzoyl ryze I live in shelby
@carlasumaguio8537
9 ай бұрын
just being curious who is t jack dempsey because of demsey roll of ippo makanouchi ❤😂
@TheBatugan77
3 жыл бұрын
Was Gibbons known as the Shelby Mustang?
@majik_man
5 жыл бұрын
4:00 Holy shit can Gibbon's take a punch, dempsey catches him flush with multiple punches, no wonder why Gibbon's rarely loss. Dempsey is the earliest boxer i found on film with significant head movement, you watch a guy like Loughran who came after this no head movement at all. Dempsey would of gave anyone trouble, due to the fact he rarely ever got hurt and recovered as fast as Fitzsimmon's.
@TheBatugan77
4 жыл бұрын
🗣️Very interesting. 🗣️ But a bit long-winded. 🗣️ Let's keep those comments, brief, eh? BRIEF! 👈👺 All the best. 👍👍👍
@samtotheg
3 жыл бұрын
head movement isnt always needed ...loughran used that rear arm to catch hooks and jabs and he attacked at an angle where his head was far from his opponents rear hand(ortho) in short he didnt need to head movement!
@majik_man
3 жыл бұрын
@@samtotheg Yea that is true. I know what your saying. But translating that to a heavyweight the (no head movement) you usually just turn into a flat footed slow moving target. Like the Frank Moran's. Moran was mid teen's and guy's like Bill Brennon twenty years later basically the same thing. Obviously in the 1940's they were getting more advanced, but it came at a very slow rate was what i was trying to say (just at heavyweight class). I refer to them as the cowboy's which translates to flat footed mostly stationary and lil to no head movement and generally poor defense. And many fighter's just morphed into this trait when they got older like Jack Sharkey. He wasn't flat footed when he was young. Joe Louis he was a totally different fighter. Which is a huge reason Joe Louis was so great these "cowboy's" were tailor made for him. Despite not great head movement Joe Louis certainly was no "cowboy". During Louis title reign was the end of the line for the Cowboy fighters era in General (they were going through the transition period) into a more modern fighter. That's just my option. Dempsey in his fight's against Tunney ditto too Jack Sharkey they morphed into something they never were due to ring rust.
@samtotheg
3 жыл бұрын
@@majik_man this assessment is wrong and using bad boxers to make your point doestn help your point,Tunney a guy who was never knocked out didnt need to use head movement a lot, in fact do you know why boxers in more modern eras need head movement , cuz they dont know how to attack From a DISTANCE and ANGLE that would keep them SAFE, they are on the centerline the WHOLE TIME ,before during and after they attack they have no CHOICE BUT TO MOVE THE HEAD !, The jab comes your way if you are at an angle where the right is too far away (loughran, I should know I did a vid on Loughran on my channel) all you have to worry about is stopping the jab (parry ) and going on the offensive(fire the jab with YOUR FREE HAND) and then tie up(to smother any return options) that sequence is solid, no head movement required!
@majik_man
3 жыл бұрын
@@samtotheg Sure. But many people were flat footed and had horrible defense with no head movement. That's why i used poor boxers as an example. I think you assume i'm trying to say something i'm not. I'm saying a great number of boxers between moran and Brennon never learned what Tommy Loughran knew. For like a 20 year window that development was slow...at heavyweight. Does head movement help yes. It it totally necessary no. I never said it was but loughran is a Light Heavy just as Tunney. Heavyweight's much slower development in the art...
@shempipembi2277
3 жыл бұрын
Anyone still watching this fight?
@gregcoleman9677
4 ай бұрын
🥊
@benhamre6862
3 жыл бұрын
My great grandfather Walter Cavanaugh K/Oed Gibbons in his younger days. Put his parents forbid him from being a boxer.
@jayxgib7025
3 жыл бұрын
Gibbons was my great grandfathers cousin
@katherineogibbons
Жыл бұрын
Gibbons is my great grandfather lol
@curtismcneil8695
3 жыл бұрын
I like Dempsey but some of these opponents like Gibbons and Carpenierr were 172 lb. Almost 15 lbs. Lighter than Dempsey basically Light Heavyweights. I can't see him beating Ali, Holmes, Foreman, Frazier, Lewis, Tyson. Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano as well.
@gAYCUNT-zt3qo
3 жыл бұрын
and yet dempsey obliterated Willard who was 260 at the time and like close to 7 foot nearly. The point you are trying to make isn't much of a good one, sorry.
@curtismcneil8695
3 жыл бұрын
@@gAYCUNT-zt3qo Jess Williard wasn't a great fighter. He beat a 38 year old Jack Johnson with a 26th round KO in a scheduled 45 round fight. He would have lost on points to Johnson in a traditional 15 or back in those days 20 round fight. Jess Williard had 1 officially title defense in his 4 year reign and that was against Frank Moran with the condition being if he was still standing after 20 rounds he would retain his title. I am not taking anything away from Dempsey he was a great fighter for his day and yes he beat some big men like Willard and Firpo but most of his wins were over smaller Heavyweights. He fought some not so great opponents as well and yet doesn't get critique for it.
@Section5_CdnIntelService
3 жыл бұрын
@@curtismcneil8695 Willard-Moran was 10 rounds not 20. No decision was allowed in New York at the time. Moran was a mediocre heavyweight.
@majik_man
2 жыл бұрын
@ CURTIS MCNEIL. Yea you are correct about the weight's. Willard was a mediocre heavyweight. But it was a product of the times. Dempsey proved he had no trouble with bigger men. He beat both Carl Morris & Fred Fulton easily before he fought Willard. Wills would of been custom made for Dempsey. Would he have won easily, no probably not. But Dempsey would have a good chance against both Louis & Marciano. He had exactly what you needed to advance against those two a great chin and absolute power punching. I think moving to far forward into the 70's is another story. I mean if any older boxer was transported into the 70's and had a year to get ready they wouldn't look like they did in the past with more modern technology. So you can only move forward so much in history to be fair to the fighter (in my mind). You can also play a huge negative card against Dempsey for avoiding Greb & Norfolk both smaller men. Dempsey was hand picking his opponent's just as Jack Johnson did because they had no mandatory title defense. You could use the smaller men he avoided against him also is what I'm trying to say. Greb didn't lose for a few year period. It would have been a much bigger fight than Greb vs Dempsey. Than Dempsey vs Gibbon's.
@curtismcneil8695
2 жыл бұрын
@@majik_man , Agreed, I mean there was Harry Wills too that never got a fight with Dempsey. Jack Johnson mostly defended against named White fighters because that's where the money was. He wasn't gonna make big money off of Sam McVey, Joe Jeanette and Sam Langford. Jack Dempsey was really good and like you were saying it's hard to move forward to different eras and compare with the newer generation because especially with the advances of training. I think both Holmes & Foreman proved they could fight in different eras 70's and 80's, 90's. George Foreman actually started in the 1960's, you make a good point.
@smadonna
Жыл бұрын
Tex Rickard lost a lot of money promoting this fight.
@hoponpop3330
6 жыл бұрын
Gibbons was just trying to go 15 that makes for very dull fight.
@TheBatugan77
4 жыл бұрын
Gibbons was more worried about not getting his ass handed to him than your entertainment and enjoyment. Fancy that.
@Section5_CdnIntelService
3 жыл бұрын
Dempsey wasn't above using rabbit punches to the back of the head and punches to the kidneys.
@terrencegibbons3351
11 ай бұрын
When he was a child, he fought on the streets to earn money for food. Sometimes he didn’t eat for days. They had horrible childhoods. Poverty.
@keithkeegan2956
4 жыл бұрын
Was jack Dempsey Irish
@hfelix3185
4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@hfelix3185
4 жыл бұрын
I was realated to him
@joej2435
4 жыл бұрын
Mr Keegan. I am a self appointed, unofficial expert on Jack Dempsey. I even met him once. When I was in high school I read his book entitled "Dempsey: By The Man Himself". Great book. I couldn't put it down (long out of print) In it he described his heritage as being basically Irish. He was not a Roman Catholic or Protestant. His parents were Mormon, although he himself did not practice the faith. He was also in small part Cherokee Indian (from his mothers side) and believe it or not he also had a strain of Jewish blood from a distant (something like a great grandmother).
@stevens392
4 жыл бұрын
Part Irish Part Native American. Full warrior
@TheBatugan77
3 жыл бұрын
@@hfelix3185 You must be that illegitimate bastard they talk about...
@SickBoy666100
8 жыл бұрын
This was an awful fight and Gibbons is to blame. I didn't see him land a single effective punch and he clinched every chance he could. He should have had points deducted, or rounds taken away.
@hammeringhank5271
8 жыл бұрын
True, but what would you do if the Manassa Mauler was coming at you with fists swinging, and fire in his eyes. Either way gibbons didn't get payed because greedy old Doc Kearns demanded an extra hundred grand, and bankrupted the whole town of Shelby in the process.
@Kevintu28
7 жыл бұрын
SickBoy666100 I think gibbons was just outclassed here Dempsey was a great infighter and was really incredible in the clinch it's where a lot of his work was done I feel as if gibbons thought it was the safest place to be it was either get battered by Dempseys jabs and hooks or get worn down on the inside I think Dempsey gets really underrated defensively too he reminds me of George Benton if he was allowed to clinch or fought in a different era
@TheBatugan77
3 жыл бұрын
Stickboy... You should shut your piehole. You should mind your own fkn business.
@stephenwinkler
6 жыл бұрын
If Dempsey could not knockout the number two contender, I wonder what the number one contender would have done to Dempsey. Incidentally, the number one contender was Harry Wills. Why did Dempsey fail to give Wills a title fight? Was Dempsey afraid of Wills or was Dempsey and his fight manager racists?
@jaredphelps155
6 жыл бұрын
Stephen Winkler Dempseys manager tex richard was a racist. The fight was never made because of jack jonhson and the social impact he had boxing and america. There is footage of jack dempsey sparring harry wills and he kicks his ass
@jbsnyder1736
5 жыл бұрын
Jack Johnson never defended his title against a black challenger
@kelvinkloud
5 жыл бұрын
Jimi the fight you reference is long (‘16) before Dempsey was on track or with proper manag. He was sleeping in freaking Central Park when he had that stint in nyc. It’s a joke to say that represented prime Dempsey... look, I get it why fans of great black fighters would be bitter about the era. Black fighters got screwed no doubt. Racism was very bad in that time period and j Johnson’s stint scared many people. Hence, why Louis later was very careful pr wise to ruffle no feathers. I won’t defend any of that... but you seem to be heaping that sentiment onto Dempsey and distorting facts about him. Maybe you know all this and just like pulling chains or you buy in. Either way, here’s a couple of takes to counter... Dempsey was least effective vs small crafty compact fighters. He for ex couldn’t dispatch gibbons here even though he was better. Later problems with Tunney. I don’t see him beating Sam Langford either. I think Tyson probably beats him, maybe Frazier and Marciano also. Yet vrs taller fighters he was a supreme killer. Great matchup for him. He wouldve smoked wills easily. Many of the era say that also. He could take foreman if he added 10lbs to his frame. Aside from Ali and maybe j Johnson, I’d put Dempsey had an advantage vrs any taller fighter.... finally, on race. Dempsey personally wasn’t racist but had to operate in an era that was. He actually signed to fight wills on his own, but money and political support fell thru. He sparred and took care of his black fighters in his camp. Extended that later after retirement. Many admitted Dempsey was a great talent and a fair gent. He didn’t control politics nor handling, promoting or signing fights. To heap that on him is a distortion of the record.
@majik_man
5 жыл бұрын
Your trying to dismiss Gibbon's like he's something not that special? He's one of the best light Heavy's of the era. Dempsey would swarm all over Will's, the reason Gibbon's made to it 15 is he had the best footwork of the era along with his brother Mike, these were smart boxer's. Will's would be much more stationary of a target which would only work to Dempsey advantage, Will's for the most part couldn't knock out Langford same weight as Gibbon's. I don't think he would hurt Dempsey and if Dempsey didn't knock him out before 6 rounds he would of just wore him down. You can't get clean leverage back peddling, and no way would will's be chasing him around the ring. I'm a huge fan of the early black boxers, i think someone like Langford or maybe Jeanette would stand a better chance, your obviously gonna have to have fast feet if you want to have a chance. Will's fought flat footed, that would be a huge disadvantage, and these early Black boxer were just cowboy type fighter's (by which i mean) they had no head movement or lateral moves. Dempsey comes at all angle's he was much more advanced than many of his time, that's why he just killed tough boxer's like Fred Fulton. No tape exist's of Fulton but i can tell you he didn't move his head, that much i can guess. Will's had a better chin than Fulton but they are very similar fighter's, we can only guess but i think Langford would fare better than Will's would. Dempsey was more than likely a better boxer than anyone before him, (johnson, jeffries). I am not convinced Dempsey would of steam rolled over Greb though, this quick feet was a true key to victory, and Wills didn't have quick feet at least not like a Lightheavyweight, he was more like Baer & Fulton, big powerful and plodding. And if you watch those ugly sharkey and tunney fights against Dempsey you can gleam one thing, he had a world class chin, certainly as good as Langford's. And Will's chin is susceptible as much as i like him. I think the one think people fail to realize is it was Tex Richard who promoted the Jeffries / Johnson fight, they had race riots and people died because of Richard basically he had blood on his hands. If you just wanna dismiss that as no factor you fooling yourself, i'm sure this had a huge impact on things. Tex Richard didn't wanna feel responsible for more blood on his hands. Had Will's of beaten Jack Sharkey it would of likely had to have happened, before the Dempsey/sharkey match. He should have faced him earlier but politic's were the biggest factor, because of the previous blood shed. People just seem to dismiss that, if read newspaper account's they constantly brought it up and made Tex Richard appear responsible (for blood shed) he had huge pressure on him and his words obviously had to impact Dempsey with the conversation's they had. It's easy to look back in today's world and draw your own conclusion's on why it didn't happen, but until you take time to read actual newpapers to gleam some insight, your just jumping to conclusions. Had Richard not been involved in Johnson/jeffries i think it would of happened easily, those were different times, they weren't that far removed from lynching people and i don't think Tex Richard wanted to be a national villon if more people died at his actions.
@cliffwerner2612
5 жыл бұрын
@@jbsnyder1736 yes he did....Jim Johnson in Paris 1913
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