Nice. Liminal dreams are a criminally under discussed topic. A lot of people who have frightening and recurring sleep paralysis would benefit just from knowing what's going on.
@CharlesHetu
4 күн бұрын
What a great speaker! loved it.
@treewalker1070
2 жыл бұрын
I have been practicing hypnogogic and hypnopompic dreams since -- I can trace it back to childhood, and it is an extremely fertile practice. It is my main form of meditation and I can't imagine any other kind of meditation being more productive or more deep. I cannot believe that this liminal dreaming (thanks for the term) is so ignored and underestimated. You seem to be the only person talking about it. There are a ton of vids on KZitem about lucid dreaming and they all treat hypnogogic dreaming as an unimportant phase you pass through on the way to a lucid dream. Liminal dreaming is certainly different from lucid dreaming in a lot of ways. For one thing, when you are fully asleep, the dream is much more realistic, astonishingly so. But hypnogogic dreaming, in my opinion, has a lot more to teach. When I am in a hypnogogic dream, I can ask questions about what is happening and the dream will respond and dramatize answers. In fact, I can ask almost any question from the personal to the cosmic and the dream will dramatize an answer somehow. That, to me, is so much more valuable than being able to fly around like Superman in a lucid dream. Plus, unlike lucid dreaming, liminal dreaming is easy to do. Maybe that's why lucid dreamers discount it? Because it's easy? All you need to do is focus on it when it naturally happens, and you can learn to sustain the state indefinitely. I just cannot understand why liminal dreaming is so neglected. Apparently this vid has been up at least two years, and has only 3k views!) Thanks for being the one person who talks about it.
@avedic
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent talk!! I randomly stumbled across Jennifer on her husband Erik Davis' podcast...and was immediately struck by her approach to the subject of dreaming....and especially her focus on *_liminal_* hypnogogic dreaming. That state is absolutely fascinating...and yet, I've never come across ONE single book that deals with that subject in any interesting way. And I work at a used bookstore...I've seen ALL the dreaming books. 90% are lame "meaning" compendiums...where some random person "decides" what every possible symbol "means." _You dreamed of a tree? Why that means you yearn to grow into your true self._ Ok...sure. Thanks. And the other 10% are hyper scholarly and focused _entirely_ on the neurological components of dreaming. Interesting, absolutely. But....the _really_ fascinating thing about dreams, to me...is the actual content and the qualitative _experience_ of that content. And damn near zero books even touch that subject...which I've always found both odd and frustrating. Knowing Jennifer Dumpert wrote an entire book on this subject is thrilling. I'm ordering a copy straight away! Well, after pay day next week... :P But then!
@piratetvfstv
3 жыл бұрын
I also was fascinated by this, especially how you could use this as a tool to harness your subconscious to accomplish creative tasks. It's obvious that this is going on all the time, learning to control it would be a wonderful thing.
@treewalker1070
2 жыл бұрын
@@piratetvfstv It totally is! As I just posted above, it baffles me why liminal dreaming is so neglected. Lots of people on KZitem talk about lucid dreaming, but there is hardly anything on liminal dreaming, which, honestly, as someone who does both, I feel offers much much more in terms of what you can learn.
@herakleitus
2 жыл бұрын
Mavromatis’s book “Hypnagogia” is the only comprehensive psychological, physiological, artistic, and spiritual treatment of the subject out there. Incredibly, he’s not even a scientist but studied it for decades on his own and managed to write a textbook on it.
@treewalker1070
2 жыл бұрын
@@herakleitus Thanks for the recommendation.
@vikrammishra1728
3 жыл бұрын
If anyone's interested, practice starts @ 20:08
@PMOAYHXM
3 жыл бұрын
thank you sm !
@reikiwithmary809
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for downloading this video. I have been studying lucid dreaming and have not yet had a lucid dream. Liminal dreaming may be the first step and one I’ve simply passed by. Can’t wait to use her practices! Namaste
@MattGarZero
2 жыл бұрын
It's been a couple months since you commented. How's your exploration of the liminal dream space going? Have you been able to have a full on lucid dream yet?
@treewalker1070
2 жыл бұрын
It's not merely a step to lucid dreaming. It is a rich and rewarding practice for its own sake. Especially if your goal is to learn and not just fly around.
@anitapantin5264
4 жыл бұрын
Jennifer Dumpert, you are so generous. Hipnopompia is a treasure of creativity for artists. Thank you!!!
@szymborska
2 жыл бұрын
Great talk!
@jesseherbert2585
3 жыл бұрын
Folks, do yourself and perhaps beyond a favor: listen to her audiobook (Liminal Dreaming). I literally...well, hmm. Not likely to do my experience full justice here. I don't really understand how the effects are going so instantaneously into my subjective waking state. As a former research scientist and now educator, I have a good familiarity with logic and rational reasoning. Earned a PhD. in hard sciences on scholarships, and was so recognized that awards also paid for my spouse's education as well. Only sharing this so my words here are perhaps given a fair weighting for any considering her offerings. I have a lifelong passion for dream work and mysticism as complementary ways of being in high service to self and others (or simply "all that is"), motivated by a sobering sense of serious reckonings looming ---given how asleep at the wheel we have collectively been. Jennifer's voice (as narrator of her outstanding compilation on liminal dreaming for example) has an effect that I suspect goes beyond what she might even consciously realize, and I am curious if it is a holographic universe type effect where she is facilitating or midwifing (for modern folks at least, indigenous or unbroken traditions people might say "reacquainting") audiences in an expansion in our collective menu of what consciousness is able to be as, here, through us--being someone who is intimately familiar with her subject matter. "Mind blowing" is an overused term, but I am being frank when I say that I was literally slack-jawed and almost pinned to the bed I reclined on as I witnessed what appeared to be my own initiation into, and activation of possibilites that my inner child (or neoaboriginal?) must have been patiently waiting a damn long time for: breaking rules of separation as fact, upending tables of polite obedience to conventions that maintain illusions of normalcy. From broader perspectives, our modern views are anything but normal. One of my deepest yearnings is likely so typical (albeit in minority) that I state it now at risk of evoking yawns of indifference: restoring an instinctive sense of how to live in harmony with our larger ecological family, in ways that are more accessible to most folks than specific efforts I have pursued to these ends. Jennifer Dumpert seems to have tapped something ripe and rejuvenating, now spilling beyond cups in hand...if you choose to read her book, be ready to be swept off your feet by torrents unleashed, if my experience is any indication. For the record, I am not infatuated with her in any unhealthy ways, still I am riveted by the experience because I am keenly interested in what might help us out of the holes we have collectively dug/are digging for ourselves. I suspect the practical applications of what she is harping on will one day be seen as pivotal for helping turn the tide of resilient/regenerative/sustainable living as a conscious and capable species, acting as responsible cells once again in the body of larger universal organisms. Not to mention drawing in some low hanging, raw, spontaneous/innocent fun to daily lives of many who thought such opportunities were banished forever to irretrievable childhoods or levels of success reserved for a select few. On an anecdotal note, my subjective experiences while imbibing her narrations have bordered on ecstatic, which I take as a positive sign (even though I am old enough to realize there may be some significant inner work around this corner, before long)...in any case, to you Jennifer I say "appreciated" is a significant understatement, but on behalf of all here now (and to come) at least these words of encouragement and gratitude may contribute a few more puffs to the winds in your sails, toward whatever direction(s) you are sailing (or expanding?). Fascinating to say the least. Bravo & merci. PS comment counter was off by one or two, funny enough.
@treewalker1070
2 жыл бұрын
I love your post.
@Masculine_Regality
Жыл бұрын
WORD SALAD 🥗
@snedward_owden
5 жыл бұрын
I had the chance to hear her talk at Ozora Festival last year. A great talker and such an inspirational woman!
@levihan3777
2 жыл бұрын
Ideally, I can stay up rather late working on creative stuff, go to bed, wake up around 10 am and remember my vivid REM dreams. I journal them as often as I can. I just started practicing with liminal dream after discovering Dumpert a few days ago.
@freethinker79
4 жыл бұрын
So fascinating!!
@Kiseochan
3 жыл бұрын
I know a lot about lucid dreaming and consider myself an "out of practice lucid dreamer" as I rely on certain mindset and habits to lucid dream regularly and have ignored these habits for the better part of a decade now. (It doesn't feel like a decade, my sense of time is off) anyway I had something similar to a lucid dream after waking up last night. I was re-experiencing certain classes from middle school, but with extra help or time or information. They were mostly science and art classes.
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