Subscribe to First Things First now: www.youtube.com/@FirstThingsFirst
@BrianSharp-wu6uq
2 ай бұрын
So what Shady is saying is that Isiah Pacheco is more talented than him just because he have more Super Bowl wins than him.. although Shady have 2 ring he didn’t play in either game and the ring that Pacheco got he not only played in that game he was the starting RB.
@kdoglouis1560
2 ай бұрын
Being Champions is more of a team thing in football. Basketball can be dominated by individuals more than football can be. You need defense to win championships in the NFL. Michael Jordan could play his own defense. Aaron can't play his own defense. Talent is talent. Many not so good QBs won superbowls because of the team.
@kdoglouis1560
2 ай бұрын
What probably had more to do with Brady winning more championships is the fact he took large pay cuts to bring in better supporting players. So he is definitely less selfish than Aaron, but more talented I don't think so.
@kelseywhitlatch173
2 ай бұрын
The winning comment is so off-base these guys act like footballs in any way, shape or form, is even close to basketball is so freaking laughable that honestly … They shouldn’t even have a show.
@tonymcclendon3128
2 ай бұрын
Shady really destroyed his own point on the Randy moss vs Jerry rice comparison without even knowing. You can be more talented and not as accomplished as a winner
@thesockphenom
2 ай бұрын
Exactly, I think they just playing the opposite argument for sake of argument.
@robertschoelerman7496
2 ай бұрын
I will take less talent and more winning any time u keep the talent I will keep winning
@corey7642
2 ай бұрын
Randy is different than the Aaron and Brady convo bc randy is arguably the best wide out aaron isn’t arguably the best qb period
@TheSweetswed
2 ай бұрын
Shady is the worst. Cant stand him
@TheSweetswed
2 ай бұрын
@@corey7642LOL rice clears moss 😅😅 jus as much as Brady clears Rodgers. Rodgers has 4 mvps tf he clears moss who was Washed on 3 different teams. Tenn n SF moss was a joke
@Jaggedcoast2coast
2 ай бұрын
Bruh why is shady and joy taking it so literal. All the dude was saying was his greatness reminds him of the caliber players. Jeez
@troyaichele2921
2 ай бұрын
Because Aaron rodgers talants is no where near MJ tf are you talking about
@jiggzstarr
2 ай бұрын
Because they're hating
@RaiderSquach
2 ай бұрын
Bc it’s August
@pontiffsulyvahn6396
2 ай бұрын
With Shady's logic, I could argue that LeGarrette Blount is a better RB than Shady. He has 3 rings, contributed to his 3 rings and was helpful unlike Shady in his own SB's riding the bench. I bet Shady would talk about his own personal talent and personal accolades in that argument then suddenly. Man is just a biased hater.
@colbyryans1018
2 ай бұрын
That would go over too many people's head
@SwayPromo
2 ай бұрын
You are 100% right
@thomascrown6516
2 ай бұрын
Exactly
@blasianbombflower8828
2 ай бұрын
by y’all logic he would still have two rings and the better career and talent. 1 more ring don’t hold that much weight, especially when you getting outran by 1k yards per season.
@colbyryans1018
2 ай бұрын
@@blasianbombflower8828 mmm bs cuz they said eli had a better career than rodgers , 4mvps 1 ring 1 superbowl mvp but apparently to them eli 2 rings and 2 superbowl mvps is better so with that logic I'm still correct
@GlitzySeven
2 ай бұрын
Joy doesn’t realize if it wasn’t for her “physical” talent, she wouldn’t be on the show..
@lawrenceturner5882
2 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@williambreeze2659
2 ай бұрын
Good tie into the topic. lol
@JayHolmes-g5o
2 ай бұрын
Sadly, yes.
@jasonderby7635
2 ай бұрын
pretty talented to be fair
@Mystic_man727
2 ай бұрын
Shady talking championships like he ANYTHING but ride the bench for BOTH teams….homie chill
@boseph-o8587
2 ай бұрын
That exactly what I thought 😅 absolutely love shady but he has to know his place on that.
@Pallehz
2 ай бұрын
Joy literally has the worst takes. Person: "Charles Barkley and Karl Malone are some of the greatest talents in the history of the NBA" Joy: "they don't win like Robert Horry" Person: "we're talking about talent" Joy: "What do you play the game for?" all she does is take whatever Shady says and dumbs it down. It's crazy af how she's even a pundit.
@JayHolmes-g5o
2 ай бұрын
Joy is the reason I can't take this show seriously.
@LeeTraviusMcKay
2 ай бұрын
@@JayHolmes-g5oHer and LeSean
@henrygonzalez3842
2 ай бұрын
Bro AROD AVERAGED a hall of fame career for 10+ years. He was unstoppable What’s shadys beef? He was a run down back when he got his ring, same as the water boy on the team getting one.
@PhillyDawg-m4u
2 ай бұрын
Till he got to the playoffs where he kept choking yr after yr after yr. Blame the young lady making this outrageous comparison. He is severely challenged historically and perhaps missed too many philosophy classes. This is an unnecessary debate.
@Jayboi90
2 ай бұрын
@@henrygonzalez3842 UnStOpPaBle…his record is 12-10 in the playoffs…
@GODISGREAT_12
2 ай бұрын
@@Jayboi90put all of his playoff numbers are better than Tom Brady
@Jayboi90
2 ай бұрын
@@GODISGREAT_12 but they’re mostly losses which USUALLY means one thing…his TALENT resulted in a big enough hole where it necessitated “hero” ball thus inflating his offensive numbers…which show how much more glaring the problem is…all that TaLeNt culminating in garbage time numbers…
@davis2k1234
2 ай бұрын
@@GODISGREAT_12 Stat padding at the end of blowout loses in the pass happy 2010s is a lot different then starting in 2001 era of the NFL on teams with no offense weapons Packers were 13-3 in OT of NFC champ game the season before Arod took over and winning playoffs games the season after he left you want to talk about his teams?
@tonymcclendon3128
2 ай бұрын
It’s really lazy to try not to separate talent and winning like you don’t know what James is saying 😂
@goddy510
2 ай бұрын
But don’t put MJ in need. He is 1/4 of MJ. Aura, talent, killer and championships
@robertschoelerman7496
2 ай бұрын
But take t don't do any good if u don't win when it matters the most that is the difference Brady won when it mattered Rodgers didnt
@Elliott-us1jy
2 ай бұрын
@@robertschoelerman7496the issue is, in my opinion, they literally kept saying they not arguing if he’s the greatest.
@Kemngang
2 ай бұрын
The greatness of a quarterback is based of championships delivered as well as stats.
@Jayboi90
2 ай бұрын
@@Elliott-us1jy there’s a secondary issue…how can you say one is more “talented” than many would call the greatest of all time with 7 rings, when they themselves went to and won one championship…
@Michael-jp2pl
2 ай бұрын
Im not a Roger's fan, but it's like Shady and Joy can't seem to understand that winning is a team accomplishment. Let Rogers and Brady switch teams their careers.... Let Brady play with a top 10 defense only once ( Rogers only had a top 10 def once and they won the superbowl ) and lets see how many superbowls Rogers has at end of his career. Brady has played on better teams for his whole career.
@donniefontane1554
2 ай бұрын
Tom brady could have played anywhere and he would have won more titles than arod did
@LeeTraviusMcKay
2 ай бұрын
Tom Brady beat the defense with his mind and brain. Aaron Rodgers relies on his talent way too much.
@VictorCastillo-qc5ce
Ай бұрын
Cheating helps.
@JayyBanks
2 ай бұрын
James’s definition of talent is basically putting touch on throws. Running. Throw on the run. Arm strength. Arm angles. Accuracy. Those types of things.
@erichenderson844
2 ай бұрын
Exactly!
@Jayboi90
2 ай бұрын
@@JayyBanks if it was just arm talent, then I’m inclined to agree…but if we are talking QB-ING talent, then it’s Brady by a mile
@zieil8273
2 ай бұрын
Yeah but why are they acting like Tom Brady wasn’t a accurate thrower
@lightning10053
2 ай бұрын
@@Jayboi90It's really not
@Jayboi90
2 ай бұрын
@@lightning10053 yea it is..now explain why Aaron’s so called “talent” only accounts for 1 championship and a 12-11 playoff record?
@universoullifebalance
2 ай бұрын
Man Shady ain't too good at this analyst thing smh
@thomascrown6516
2 ай бұрын
Down, right horrible. They need to replace him! He makes no sense!
@5starathlete804
2 ай бұрын
He was Acho teammates for 2 days.
@universoullifebalance
2 ай бұрын
@@thomascrown6516 yea he is 🗑️
@90Copilot
2 ай бұрын
That’s like saying Berry Sanders ain’t more talented then it Emmitt Smith🤦🏾♂️😂
@CrowdPlzr
2 ай бұрын
I just don't get it. They gotta be arguing just to argue. Bro, there are 52 players on a squad. There's a lot more to winning a Super Bowl than whether or not you're the best QB. Offenses in playoff games: Aaron Rodgers - 28 PPG Tom Brady - 27 PPG Defenses in playoff games: Aaron Rodgers - 25.8 points allowed (33.5 in losses) Tom Brady - 20.6 points allowed (27 in losses) There's a lot of nuance they're missing here.
@navarriosharp8824
2 ай бұрын
It's sad how They ACT like they don't know what james is talking about. Winning is a team accomplishment not a qb accomplishment. Pretending to not know what talent is compared to winning is crazy.
@chikushodiz91
2 ай бұрын
Ok explain what Brady did with the bucs then, before Brady they were a .500 to below team he joins they win a Super Bowl
@dangelobrown87
2 ай бұрын
Brady had gronk and AB what happend when them two was gone@@chikushodiz91
@evangalinsky2499
2 ай бұрын
@@chikushodiz91 He wasn't the only addition to that team that year. So saying that is completely ignorant, Brady isn't the only thing that changed. He brought at least one other person with.
@abhigadangi6929
2 ай бұрын
@@chikushodiz91Brady went to the bucs. The year prior the bucs had two all pro wide receivers, the league sack leader and a qb who threw 30 ints. Gronk Brady and Leonard fournette joined along with defensive additions. With all that they still did not win the division and got 4 more wins. He went to a great team with a qb that threw THIRTY INTERCEPTIONS. The bucs defensive single handedly won them the nfc championship and the Super Bowl. Y’all delusional if you’d rather have Brady over Rodgers
@Jayboi90
2 ай бұрын
The bucs had a championship defense and two 1000 yard WRs…stop it
@GasIsForevr
2 ай бұрын
They really are starting to disrespect Aaron Rogers
@GODISGREAT_12
2 ай бұрын
They been disrespecting him for years
@jonahpharoah
2 ай бұрын
Joy and Shady brains are having a hard time differentiating things within a conversation like they dont know how to seperate talent and winning😂😂
@NoelleLove_bx
2 ай бұрын
Fr. She looks at him first. 😂
@Hmongbookie
2 ай бұрын
People are so dumb on the show.. Brady is not as talented as Marino, Rodgers or Mahomes.. not even Stafford.
@cameronzwicke5761
2 ай бұрын
Because if he is truly as talented as the hype, he would be able to overcome the obstacles in front of his team and lead them to victory. Instead he has thrown everyone else around him under the bus, to take accountability off himself.
@loststoryproductions
2 ай бұрын
They do when it fits the narrative of their argument
@dwilliams380
2 ай бұрын
MJ and Kobe had a hard time separating talent from winning as well
@dalaxel
2 ай бұрын
Yo James, next time y’all debate this throw in Barry Sanders for a comparison
@cameronzwicke5761
2 ай бұрын
Barry Sanders is the best running back in NFL history. He broke 2k yards in only 14 games. He was the most physically talented rb to ever play. He single handedly broke 4+ tackles for a long td, around a dozen times. Had the second most rushing yards in history when he retired, which took him less games than every other rb to reach that mark. He did all that, on what was considered the second worst franchise in the league(Bucs being the worst at that time.)
@jamarcohughes7645
2 ай бұрын
@@cameronzwicke5761facts and u can make the argument Barry is the most TALENTED RB every even though he didn’t win a ring but based off what shady saying those accomplishments don’t matter when debating weather Barry is the best because he didn’t win
@GODISGREAT_12
2 ай бұрын
He did. Shady just deflected and went back to QBs
@connieq2811
2 ай бұрын
@@dalaxel yo I was sooooo mad at James. I was like mention Barry bro
@LeeTraviusMcKay
2 ай бұрын
@@GODISGREAT_12Then LeSean needs to stop talking football because he was never like that outside of Philly
@izabellaward225
2 ай бұрын
Shady & Joy hating on Rodgers is crazy
@chikushodiz91
2 ай бұрын
What hate it’s just the truth Rodgers is overrated and overhype
@raymondmcmillan9241
2 ай бұрын
Rodgers had a 1 nite stand with Joy and never called back
@Jayboi90
2 ай бұрын
@@izabellaward225 Aaron is overhyped like crazy…if talent is MORE than physical, then EVERY other aspect that matters to a QB FAR exceeds than the physical aspects of it, then what are we talking about??? It all culminated in 7 SB rings and the greatest comeback in SB history against a team they LITERALLY had no business beating…
@ghost-nj7qy
2 ай бұрын
@@chikushodiz91 four MVPs and a Super Bowl and a Super Bowl MVP and top 6 quarterback of all time
@GODISGREAT_12
2 ай бұрын
@@chikushodiz91huh? How so?
@n3rds3y3vi3w
2 ай бұрын
Three former players trying to explain this to Joy for 20 mins and she still doesn’t get it lol
@a.n7060
2 ай бұрын
i wonder why she even has this platform tbh
@travoncotton9017
2 ай бұрын
@@a.n7060are yall serious? Joy and McCoy they only ones talking with sense and it wasnt 3 players tryin to tell her it was a former player (McCoy) and Joy tryin to tell Acho and James they A Rodger’s isn’t the most talented quarterback y’all don’t kno wtf y’all talking
@travoncotton9017
2 ай бұрын
Y’all sound dumb ash
@Jayboi90
2 ай бұрын
@@travoncotton9017 bro, anyone agreeing with that take (Aaron is more talented) is HIGHLY unintelligent asf…to say the nicest
@LitoDaKidd05
2 ай бұрын
@@travoncotton9017u been smoking woo bro? A rod head to head with Brady it ain’t even close as far as “TALENT” goes. Rodger’s is so much more talented it’s not even funny. Brady is the goat no doubt. I can’t argue that. But TALENT WISE? cmon bro. Football is a team game. Remember that.
@tonyt3197
2 ай бұрын
Shady is a biased hater lol. Yes A-Rodg isn’t as great as Tom with the lack of SBs but any1 that knows football will tell you A-Rodg is a more skilled/talented player than Tom. Even Tom himself said A-Rodg would threw for 7000 yards if he was in Tom’s place for the Pats offense during the 2010s run
@KennyPowers.
2 ай бұрын
U took the same amount of snaps as shady did in the playoffs for his two rings, it's all good 😂😂😂😂😂
@connieq2811
2 ай бұрын
Plus Tom had 10 top 10 defenses. Crazy that the media forgets
@tonyt3197
2 ай бұрын
@@KennyPowers. sure did lol but I didn’t say Shady was trash just calling out his biases. Read between the lines better nxt it’s all good 🤣 BTW Eastbound & Down is a classic I miss that show lol
@SphinxMen1906
2 ай бұрын
A smart man you are
@757CitiesReppa
2 ай бұрын
Whether he is or isn’t…A.R. Is not Jordan.smh
@grindstonemediagroup
2 ай бұрын
Shady seems lightweight illiterate
@IAMD1353L
2 ай бұрын
Ya'll gotta understand, if they act like it's a team sport, (which it is) and agree with James Jones then they lose the argument. Those who know the game knows it's very rare that Rodgers is rarely ever the blame when their defense gave up almost 36 ppg in the nfc championship and 33 ppg overall. If they concur 2 that, they know bill belichicks defense almost never gives up half that. When u look at it as just wins and loses and never add context then u can't win an argument against shady.
@corymcginnis8309
2 ай бұрын
Brady has the most playoff wins when his defense gives up 28 or more points of any qb also aaron lost 13-10 last playoff game stop the excuses
@IAMD1353L
2 ай бұрын
@@corymcginnis8309idk if that's true but even if it is. Rodgers defense averages giving up another TD. So basically anybody that played against Rodgers defense played like Payton Manning in his mvp season. Another fun fact, 80-10 when Rodgers defense gives up 20 or less points. Rodgers has never averaged less than 21 ppg even in his worse season. If u hate Aaron Rodgers just say that.
@sonikspeed19
2 ай бұрын
@@IAMD1353L So if Rodgers is "waaay" more talented than Brady why couldn't he make up the difference and win that team some games? Seems like he's not really that much more talented and his talents are just flash and no substance.
@JoeBangaz215
2 ай бұрын
Joy said a whole lot of nothing 😂😂
@marcellismccord4599
2 ай бұрын
Joy is the best one
@LeeTraviusMcKay
2 ай бұрын
@@marcellismccord4599Brother, the only reason why Joy is on the show is for eye candy nothing else
@kevinstone2416
2 ай бұрын
That was my thought exactly lol. At the end she was like, of course he’s talented 😂
@garlandcole7519
2 ай бұрын
Individual stats is what they look at when it’s time for that gold jacket and Rodgers has some of the Greatest numbers ever a ring and four MVP’s
@WENOTMEPRODUCTIONS
2 ай бұрын
Joy asked how is A Rod more athletic than Brady???
@williambreeze2659
2 ай бұрын
A-Rod was like a baby Lamar during his younger days, the man was athletic af!
@thesportsfanatic2106
2 ай бұрын
@@williambreeze2659hoooold up now lol. Let’s hold our horses.
@ricol9291
2 ай бұрын
Joy and Shady act like they can't understand the point, it's talent not accomplishments, even though he never won a Superbowl, Dan Marino, is probably the MOST talented QB that I have ever seen
@devinjerry2780
2 ай бұрын
Exactly most talented Brady is probably outside the top 5. They think everything revolves around rings constantly it’s dumb
@drockmoney27
2 ай бұрын
Yeah for some reason they can’t understand the concept of accomplishments and the eye test lol
@Jayboi90
2 ай бұрын
@@ricol9291 remember JaMarcus Russell was a HYPED player due to his “talent”…you might as well put him up there with those guy by y’all’s logic…to say Aaron Rodgers is up there with Brady is COMPLETELY asinine asf…how is someone who is SUPPOSEDLY more talented than a 7 time championship winner when Rodgers only has one Super Bowl win and a 12-10 record in the playoffs????
@Jayboi90
2 ай бұрын
@@devinjerry2780 you don’t know what you’re talking about. I’d sit this one out, guy
@kevinroberts7809
2 ай бұрын
Last time I checked teams win championships, I guess Tom Brady played every position on the field give me a break Tom Brady played great on teams that played great and won, Rodgers played great of decent teams and his TALENT was showcased his ability to do what he wanted with a ball his ability to throw the ball extend the play
@Thakidd-cb8pw
2 ай бұрын
She called this man the last airbender 😂😂😂 I’m gon
@ARW-qn7wt
2 ай бұрын
😂😂🤣🤣
@Hienieken
2 ай бұрын
Saying Brady would win more championships than Rodgers is just plain ignorant. In his career, Rodgers has played with a top 10 defense four times, Brady, 17 times. Brady has never made it to the playoffs with a defense that was not top 10.
@goddy510
2 ай бұрын
Do you realize Brady only had a top receiver once in Randy Moss and almost went undefeated? Rodgers crawled to his first superbowl appearance with 2 interceptions in the NFC championship game. He is only good in the regular season because the game is soft. When he sees tight coverages and pressure he folds like something 😂😂😂
@Jayboi90
2 ай бұрын
@@Hienieken Donald Driver, James Jones, Jordie Nelson, Bennett (I think, I can’t fully remember), Jermicheal Finley…add the RB stable they had, don’t forget to add, eventually adding Davante Adams, I think they could win at LEAST 2-5 rings man…
@RobertJohnson-zk1ye
2 ай бұрын
Stop using that as an excuse for him choking😂😂 cuz he scored 10 points in the playoffs
@blackanimelover18
2 ай бұрын
@@RobertJohnson-zk1ye That was ONE time. Rodgers has lost playoff games where his defense gave up 37, 51, 45, 44, and 37. In, comparison, Brady's teams have giving up 30 points five times in his career, he's 2-3 in those games. His defense only gave up 35 points TWICE in his playoff career (he both), Rodgers team did it SIX times.
@Jayboi90
2 ай бұрын
@@blackanimelover18 in the 2009 season, the Cardinals vs Packers (playoffs)…they (Packers) ranked number 7 on points allowed and number 2 on yards allowed on defense AND on offense they were ranked number 3 on points scored and 6 on yards that year and he was 28 for 42 for a 66% completion percent. MIND YOU, Arizona on offense was ranked number 14 yards and ranked number 11 on points and on DEFENSE, they rank number 14 on points allowed and number 20 on yards allowed that year. That’s one of the years. Aaron choked. Point blank simple… 2014 NFC Championship game: the Packers was UP 16-0 at halftime…ThE GrEaTeSt ThRoWeR oF tHe FoOtBaLl threw for two interceptions and a touchdown in the second half. MIND YOU, the Packers defense had intercepted Russell Wilson FOUR TIMES and forced FIVE total Turnovers… 2011 Divisional Playoffs: The GrEaTeSt ThRoWeR Of ThE FoOtBaLl only had a 78 % passer rating against a Giants team that ranked 25th in points allowed and 27th in yards allowed while the Packers offense ranked 1 in points scored and number 3 in yards 2016 NFC Championship Falcons 44-Packers 21: falcons led 24-0 at halftime and Aaron had ZERO touchdowns and one interception with a 65.6 rating and Atlanta was 31-0 before starters were pulled and Packers scored 21. The Falcons defense were ranked number 27th in points allowed and 25th in yards allowed. The Packers offense was ranked 4th in points scored and 8th in yards. He’s not that guy…
@kevincannon9564
2 ай бұрын
Oh my goodness Joy
@Dtown1996
2 ай бұрын
Joy got dem milk jugs breathin
@tazsaalim8710
2 ай бұрын
Foreal
@dallasstewart6001
2 ай бұрын
I'm right with you there could you imagine how spectacular they look
@b2dary890
2 ай бұрын
Hate to throw a damper on your party but, thank her cosmetic doctor
@DMoney011
2 ай бұрын
@@b2dary890Don’t care 😂
@hjsalvage2
2 ай бұрын
@@DMoney011😂😂😂😅
@HockeyDudeJames2
2 ай бұрын
Shady sat on the bench for two sbs😅
@leewilliams106
2 ай бұрын
Oh Joy... If there are two currently equally wealthy guys... But one is 5'8 and the other is 6'5... And the 5'8 guy has a better mind than the 6'5 guy and has great things ahead... And the 6'5 guy has peaked but has a six pack...Which one you going on a date with?? And THAT in my opinion is how you compartmentalize being better vs. Being more talented
@Dipset415
2 ай бұрын
😭😭
@connieq2811
2 ай бұрын
Joy has never played football and what would Rodgers or Peyton do with 10 top 10 defenses
@Elliott-us1jy
2 ай бұрын
lol I get you , but Shady said the same thing in he played Football. People just slow sometimes
@almonjoseph4382
2 ай бұрын
Brady not taking the highest dollar is what got him those top 10 defenses Peyton and Rodger’s broke the bank that’s the difference you can’t say what he would’ve done with them if he never allowed his team to be able to pay guys to make a top 10 defense 😐😐
@davis2k1234
2 ай бұрын
Peyton was carried by his defense to both his super bowl’s he played terrible in 2006 and 2015 Arod won his only Super bowl with the 2nd ranked defense in the NFL
@connieq2811
2 ай бұрын
@@almonjoseph4382 false
@connieq2811
2 ай бұрын
@@almonjoseph4382 wrong again
@jayhopkins3329
2 ай бұрын
Idk how JJ just don't hit Shady with the fact he didn't play in either of the 2 SB he got rings with cuz he really wasn't there smh 😂
@JerryAldo
2 ай бұрын
I just want to know if it’s part of the script for Joy Taylor to agree with EVERYTHING shady says???
@KreepKid
2 ай бұрын
Yes it is, kind of like it's part of the script for Acho to call Shady the all-time Eagles' rushing leader and a "2x" SB Champion
@THELEMISIS
2 ай бұрын
That belief is wrong. Tom Brady is not winning more championships than Rodgers on the Packers. This is the most illogical statement I’ve ever heard. I’m done with these fools.
@bitcoinbobby4149
2 ай бұрын
Idk...he took a Tampa Bay team in ONE yr with Covid Restrictions. Mind u the team was 8-8 the prior yrs and did nothing for the previous 15yrs and won a Chip WHILE beating AROD on the way to that chip in AROD's house.
@sprayer97
2 ай бұрын
Tom got as many Rings in Tampa as old Rodgy has in Green bay... ofc he would had 3-5 rings with the packers
@Jayboi90
2 ай бұрын
@@THELEMISIS Donald Driver, Jordie Nelson, James Jones, Bennett, and Jermicheal Finley (I think I spelled it wrong), and Greg Jennings with pretty good RBs back in the day and eventually Davante Adams….yeah…I’d say they would have won…
@bunchycarter8846
2 ай бұрын
Naw frfr
@bunchycarter8846
2 ай бұрын
@@bitcoinbobby4149cut it out tb had everything but a qb they had really good defense and two number WRs at the time 😂
@AnthonyParks-s4t
2 ай бұрын
Brady got his first 3 as a passenger on a defensive team
@fvgc454ss
2 ай бұрын
Gotta score to win the game
@LeeTraviusMcKay
2 ай бұрын
@@fvgc454ssWas Tom Brady out there on the field when Adam Vinteri kicked those three field goals to win the first 3 super bowls? No so don’t give him credit for something he didn’t do.
@fvgc454ss
2 ай бұрын
@@LeeTraviusMcKay how he get in range? Lol
@LeeTraviusMcKay
2 ай бұрын
@@fvgc454ss Who made the kick that won them the Super Bowl?
@fvgc454ss
2 ай бұрын
@@LeeTraviusMcKay who got them in range.
@dwilliams380
2 ай бұрын
This was a joy, a real pleasure to watch
@trevorscott9583
2 ай бұрын
Arod will be definitely be underrated at the end of his career. His mind and command at the LOS is an underrated aspect to his game too as he has the best hard count and used that as a weapon and was smart. Show some respect
@CoachTerry803
2 ай бұрын
Happy happy Joy Joy 😊
@420drstax
2 ай бұрын
Why are we talking about rings? Bill Russell has the most and is never even considered the best skilled or otherwise honestly. Tom is a winner but ain’t a better talent Aaron. Period.
@HILLCRESTBLACK1
2 ай бұрын
Marino don't have a rack of championship but he is one of the most talented
@Raiders4L4Me
2 ай бұрын
Maybe the quickest release of all time
@757CitiesReppa
2 ай бұрын
James really loves him some Aaron Rodgers
@CThomas-wg4gc
2 ай бұрын
Joy always breathes the air of truth with an elegant breeze
@ronniewarren4471
2 ай бұрын
Did we just forget about Dan Marino
@maskedman5657
2 ай бұрын
Not the best topic but at least it's not the cowboys
@herbtapp3031
2 ай бұрын
Just filling time until football season starts
@blakecallahan1134
2 ай бұрын
But he did mention dak
@trewhite5683
2 ай бұрын
The disrespect to A-Rod is crazy! He is Elite as far as throwing the ball period!!
@billclinton8300
2 ай бұрын
Aron is arguably the most talented qb, him, Steve young, cam newton and Michael Vick, they are arguably the most talented pure qb talents ever
@jasonbaumgardner7231
2 ай бұрын
No. Vick and Newton didn't have the mental part. Physically yes.
@Therealestndagalaxy
2 ай бұрын
@@jasonbaumgardner7231do you homework on cam wtf
@Dipset415
2 ай бұрын
@@Therealestndagalaxycam more like Josh Allen 💯✊🏿
@abezzzy121
2 ай бұрын
Stafford has a better arm and throws a better ball...
@billclinton8300
2 ай бұрын
@@jasonbaumgardner7231 we only talking physical lol
@saulsquinones5142
2 ай бұрын
Shane and Joy are Aaron Roger haters. The question is that Aaron Roger is the most talented QB who ever played the position that the question is not who is the goat or won more championship, is the debate but they bring up championship when the question is not about championship, seriously.
@sportsguy25
2 ай бұрын
This show and the cast have def grown on me. One of the best shows out rn 💯
@lordsalaam_itsrettaboy
2 ай бұрын
How can Shady speak on Arron Rodgers when he , Shady, never played in a Super Bowl?
@v8dagreat824
2 ай бұрын
Bruh ‼️‼️💀
@EnijaiRoundtree
2 ай бұрын
Word 😂
@lordsalaam_itsrettaboy
2 ай бұрын
Shady is a 2x Super Bowl Champion by technicality and can someone tell me when does he's name is mentioned amongst the great, not elite, RB topics?
@v8dagreat824
2 ай бұрын
@@lordsalaam_itsrettaboy don’t let his burner account see this 💀
@lordsalaam_itsrettaboy
2 ай бұрын
@@v8dagreat824 And 🥱?
@stephbass1311
2 ай бұрын
Joy Taylor Tom Brady also got suspended for teaching He also had the best coach in the history of the league He also had a top 10 scoring defense in the league 16 out of the 20 years he played Scored 13 points to win a superbowl That let you know how good his defense was
@davis2k1234
2 ай бұрын
LaFluer in 1 season without Arod has as many playoff wins as Belichick does his whole career without Brady
@kelseywalker2342
2 ай бұрын
Shady has two rings does he put himself in a different level than Barry sanders
@darnellharris159
2 ай бұрын
Hahaha truuuu
@darnellharris159
2 ай бұрын
Not
@thomasharris5467
2 ай бұрын
Love when they do the real talk talks. I'm in the room!!!
@raymondmcmillan9241
2 ай бұрын
I guess? Bill Russell is more talented than MJ...got it 👍
@tonykim5162
2 ай бұрын
Joy and Shady are the worst!!! Can’t understand half the garbage that comes outta his mouth! Joy always trying to argue when she’s brainless!
@Raiders4L4Me
2 ай бұрын
Rodgers is like KD, supreme individual talent
@mauriciocortez8640
2 ай бұрын
lebron did choke to kd in two finals, ill take jordan kobe and or kd for someone that choked 6 finals
@nickbrown4457
2 ай бұрын
@@mauriciocortez8640 joke is crazy even thanos lost to the avengers
@taylorsterling9932
2 ай бұрын
How many MVP’s does Tom Brady have? If he was as so talented, why would he not have one?
@NoelleLove_bx
2 ай бұрын
Why is Joy screaming????
@user-ku5uf5xb3m
2 ай бұрын
Smh, so is Eli better than Brady? He beat him twice but nobody says he’s better. Rogers is a better talent than Brady
@DarthCrizzy
2 ай бұрын
Almost like it’s a team game , Brady would not of won as many championships if he was on a Green Bay team that gave up an average of 35 points a game and special teams that couldn’t recover a game winning onside kick
@JD2320
2 ай бұрын
Tom Brady would tell you that Aaron talent wise is better than him!!! SMH.
@tankeater
2 ай бұрын
He said " MJ and KOBE," so why you keep bringing up LeBRONZ? The cope is real!!!
@jarelldixon2668
2 ай бұрын
A lot of other names were said besides lebron
@tankeater
2 ай бұрын
@@jarelldixon2668 and? I never said anything to refute that... Simply saying WHY THEY BRING UP LEBRONZ SO MUCH, when it was a discussion about KOBE and MJ? Please, enlighten me, besides MJ KOBE ans LeBronz, what other name did they say 5+ times?
@jarelldixon2668
2 ай бұрын
@@tankeater you clearly didn’t watch the whole video. And if you did watch the video I’m not smart to break it down simple enough for you to understand
@tankeater
2 ай бұрын
@@jarelldixon2668 you clearly couldn't back your words up or refute anything I said... Simply went into complete speculation, just like a Democrat. Bet you vote left with that type of comprehensive skills.
@mrlah8120
2 ай бұрын
its crazy where some of these discussions go of topic. winning and talent are different always. I watch this for the banter wrong or right its entertaining.
@EnijaiRoundtree
2 ай бұрын
If Rodgers was on them patriots teams an that Bucs team he would have 7 to 💯
@shaneturner9232
2 ай бұрын
I’m with James
@daviiwonder
2 ай бұрын
Joy can ruin my life
@RoadtoGloryyyy
2 ай бұрын
🤣💯
@terrencebooker5600
2 ай бұрын
Joy and Shady will diss A Rod constantly but continuously praise Josh Allen who hasn’t won anything!! Always picking and choosing! By the way, Shady got his 2 rings by being on KC and Tampa’s rosters! He wasn’t considered as one of the main guys! Andy Reid did him a favor and so did Tampa!
@kanecunningham7779
2 ай бұрын
Winning is not a qb stat. When will the mainstream media acknowledge this. Talent does not equal winning simple as that. Very Low IQ debate.
@eastgate6134
2 ай бұрын
Break it down further. Winning isn't a QB stat because your defense can give up the game no matter how good a QB played
@kanecunningham7779
2 ай бұрын
@@eastgate6134 100%
@bobbymira8234
2 ай бұрын
Actually not true. Winning is a QB stat. Go to pro football ref. Its an actual stat.
@moses9647
2 ай бұрын
In a way however that only further proves how special Mahomes and Brady are. In a one and done playoff format where anything can go wrong these guys won with consistency with differently built teams. A-Rod has played some great playoffs games where the defense let him down. But hes also had some absolute duds. Hes obv great but theres rarified air that he's just not in
@thesockphenom
2 ай бұрын
It doesnt really prove how special mahomes or brady are even though i think those are the 2 greatest qbs ever. I belive brady was carried for a few of his chip and i believe the same could be said for mahomes.@@moses9647
@ajmango210
2 ай бұрын
Why does james never mention brady’s first ring and the rams ring to help emphasize how much of a team sport football is
@ryanamato3108
2 ай бұрын
lol it’s not golf Aaron has had to carry his defenses Tom Brady has always had a great defense when Tom only has to score 14 points to win a Super Bowl and Rodger’s has to cover 50 pts to cover his bad d imagine Rodger’s in his prime in New England they would have never lost
@HooksyCollins
2 ай бұрын
Also Shady isn't talking about every factor that goes into the championship. If Brady didn't have those defenses and Bill and that coaching staff would he have won as much? If Moss played on the 49ers for that long with a great QB how would it end up? Shady sounds like he doesn't like ARod that much.
@JJ9er
2 ай бұрын
The only way I agree with the Brady in GB argument is if Belichick was also there. Brady with McCarthy or Lafluer? Nah
@blackurustrikes2328
2 ай бұрын
We have seen a lot of Belichek without Brady. Based on that, I think Brady does pretty well with McCarthy and Lefleur.
@fvgc454ss
2 ай бұрын
And what happened to belichick after Brady left...
@LILCHAIN24
2 ай бұрын
I hate Tom Brady talks cause people tend to ignore his great defenses bro that’s why he is won 7 rings
@donDubP
2 ай бұрын
Brady - Gronk Peyton - Marvin Joe - Jerry Patrick - Kelce Aaron’s best receiver is Adam’s (but never had a great defence in those era’s)
@justinbrown4045
2 ай бұрын
All the "buts" when it comes to this guy
@Uso_Wakka
2 ай бұрын
Front office problem. Plus Pat Mahomes won a playoff game with special teamers as his WRs. Aaron Rodgers just doesn't have that next level to win championships
@cameronzwicke5761
2 ай бұрын
Excuses, excuses, excuses.
@donDubP
2 ай бұрын
@@justinbrown4045 coz they exist
@donDubP
2 ай бұрын
@@Uso_Wakka didn’t have Kelce or Gronk either
@andrewilliams6367
2 ай бұрын
I need me a friend like James jones for real for real 😂😂😂
@donaldandireneyoung3089
2 ай бұрын
You left out Matthew Stafford...he's from Rodgers' era...blessings.
@SayDatShiii...
2 ай бұрын
This conversation is all about moving the goal post to vouch for your fav
@kelseywalker2342
2 ай бұрын
Shadey saying Brady would have more super bowls if he swapped with Rodgers, dude just ignore a top ten defence every year with the greatest coach of all time with the easiest division for 15 years. Tom might have more than one but I bet Rodgers gets quite a few more super owls also
@cameronzwicke5761
2 ай бұрын
Nope, Rodgers as good as he was folded in the playoffs way to many times. It's not the defenses fault that Rodgers couldn't make the plays to get the Packers into the Superbowl. He was always to reliant on his wr 1, just look at that home playoff game against the 49ers lead by Jimmy G.
@attorney1439
2 ай бұрын
TB 12 will win more 💍 if he play for the packer First year in buccaneers Superbowl 💍 he is the 🐐
@thesockphenom
2 ай бұрын
Ppl dont like to mention this. I could argue brady was carried for his 1st 3-4 championships and especially his last 1
@navyglass1242
2 ай бұрын
@cameronzwicke5761 nope. Look at the defenses that couldn't put pressure on their opposition. That changes the dynamics easily. Rodgers has had a top 10 defense just 3 times in his career. Out of those 3, he won one superbowl. Now if you wanted to give him as many top 10 defense as brady, which was 17 times in his 21 or 22 year career, if I went with the same ratio with rodgers and have him a 1 superbowl for every 3 years with a top 10 defense, that would be 5 superbowls sir.
@corymcginnis8309
2 ай бұрын
You need to do some research then 32-29 350 yrds 3 tds in his second sb win thats not getting carried brady also led the nfl in tds his second season @@thesockphenom
@WitchBoozy
2 ай бұрын
Joy is supposed to be a journalist and doesn't know what talent means?? Gotta use a dictionary 😂
@wblake22
2 ай бұрын
When it comes to this Brady and Rodgers debate. People act like it’s not a team sport. People act like Brady didn’t have top 10 or top 5 defenses. It’s a fact Brady patriots defensive was better than the Packers. The Packers defense on average gave up more points than the patriots. The patriots built for now while the Packers always built for the future. Packers drafted Love instead of getting getting a guy like maybe Tee Higgins to help push the Packers over the 9ers.
@cameronzwicke5761
2 ай бұрын
Excuses, excuses, excuses.
@wblake22
2 ай бұрын
@@cameronzwicke5761why do many people consider Barry Sanders as the goat at running back? He don’t have any championships. This is not golf, tennis, or boxing where the championship is more valid. Y’all don’t understand that though
@chikushodiz91
2 ай бұрын
@@wblake22you don’t understand if you swiped Rodgers and Brady the packers would have way more championships
@tfirejubrajubrah
2 ай бұрын
Fine we'll use your logic. Since the defenses matter, Brees is superior to Rodgers then. Aaron had the 2000 Ravens compared to the defenses Brees had.
@wblake22
2 ай бұрын
@@chikushodiz91you don’t understand Brady had the better head coach. The better defense and an owner who wanted to win now. I can say Rodgers would’ve won more with the patriots had he been that with what Brady had over him.
@xaviermatchopatow2240
2 ай бұрын
The more I watch Joy, the more I hate her 🤦♂️
@bernardocoelho6069
2 ай бұрын
Winning is a talent.. simple as that ... pure physical talent will only lead you so far
@WesleyWezz
2 ай бұрын
So sad joy and lesean doesn’t know the difference between talent and winning or career , so silly
@K.DatBamaBoi
2 ай бұрын
Shady be pissing me off sometimes not going to lie. Going by his logic that would mean Eli Manning is a better talent than Tom Brady because he's the only one to keep beating him. And to mix in Joy's point because he's beating him he's more strategic and cerebral than Tom Brady himself.
@reggieknight2947
2 ай бұрын
Just because you got the most accomplishments doesn’t mean your the most talented. Stop acting like Brady hasn’t been surrounded by HOF talent his whole career
@chikushodiz91
2 ай бұрын
What happened to the patriots when Brady left? And what happened the bucs when Brady joined lol
@reggieknight2947
2 ай бұрын
@@chikushodiz91 Brady joined a loaded roster and left a depleted roster… it widely known
@IAMD1353L
2 ай бұрын
@@reggieknight2947exactly and let's not act like u don't need an above average qb 2 win a championship. But any top 10 qb on the patriots and Bill would still be there right now along w his top 10 defenses every year
@corymcginnis8309
2 ай бұрын
@@reggieknight2947i loved when ppl say the bucs were loaded yet no one picked the bucs to win that yr 😂and he beat aaron in championship game
@reggieknight2947
2 ай бұрын
@@corymcginnis8309 that’s crazy because they had the 5th best odds going into that season
@CThomas-wg4gc
2 ай бұрын
Love when Shady puts facts on gold
@Sbinnnala
2 ай бұрын
"He's just like MJ and Kobe" yeah without all the winning 😂😂
@marklumar2034
2 ай бұрын
They called jordan the goat before all the rings though
@omj172
2 ай бұрын
The disrespect to A rod is crazy. Like did people watch his games in his career. Aaron did things in games that the only way you can explain it is Talent
@TheDeanthedon
2 ай бұрын
The issue with a convo like at least how joy and shady are interpreting it is that it lacks context. Yes Brady has 7 rings 3 of which he wasn’t the driving force or asked to be and was carried by a defense. An another that he won because Pete Carroll decided to be an idiot Yes Aaron has one superbowl appearance but lost a deep playoff game because the team couldn’t recover a onside kick
@sonikspeed19
2 ай бұрын
Sure thing pal. I loved it when Rodgers got those same breaks, oh wait he never had the chance cause he was at home watching the big games same as me. All that supposed talent and you can't lead a team to win? That means physical talent doesn't matter that much for a QB.
@davis2k1234
2 ай бұрын
Patriots were trash in 2000 before Brady took over and we’re trash after he left Brady lead the NFL in Pass TDs in 2002 and was the best QB in the NFL by end of 2003 season Saying Brady was t the driving force would be like saying Mahomes wasn’t the driving force to the Chiefs last season just dumb
@TheDeanthedon
2 ай бұрын
@@sonikspeed19 that’s a much better conversation that your eluding too but that is not what they are talking about. They are responding like they are literally incapable of comprehension to the convo. But also nowhere in my statement did I even hint that Aaron was better than Tom.
@SOBSTWWT
2 ай бұрын
🤦🏾♂️please, stop bringing this up...
@dtjohnny2345
2 ай бұрын
Aaron has to be paying James to always tKe his side.
@JohnStockton7459
2 ай бұрын
Or ... ya know... they were buddies who played with each other for a long time
@errolsmith6
2 ай бұрын
@@JohnStockton7459but you still got tell the truth
@Alkiel
2 ай бұрын
Rodgers is my GOAT and i never played on a team with him. Only reason mahommes and brady won more chips is because they took DISCOUNTS on their salaries
@brandonreed8863
2 ай бұрын
Not necessarily. They played with each other for a very long time
@LILCHAIN24
2 ай бұрын
I hate talking talent when folks bring up winning .., even guys that win know that guy who was just better than them
@oboy9090
2 ай бұрын
Shady is SLOW.
@seshubeshu5959
2 ай бұрын
Green Bay consistently put subpar defenses during most of Aaron's GB tenure.
@tristalacour2492
2 ай бұрын
Kobe Bryant: 1 MVP Aaron Rogers: 4 MVPs
@chikushodiz91
2 ай бұрын
Kobe Bryant 5 rings Aaron Rodgers 1 ring Football like basketball is about team accomplishments not individual if all you care is about individual awards go play golf or tennis
@MildsandThatYac
2 ай бұрын
Kobe is a 5 time champion……
@moegrant4433
2 ай бұрын
Correction - Kobe Bryant: 5× NBA champion (2000-2002, 2009, 2010) 2× NBA Finals MVP (2009, 2010) NBA Most Valuable Player (2008) 18× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000-2016) 4× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2002, 2007, 2009, 2011) 11× All-NBA First Team (2002-2004, 2006-2013) 2× All-NBA Second Team (2000, 2001) 2× All-NBA Third Team (1999, 2005) 9× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2000, 2003, 2004, 2006-2011) 3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2001, 2002, 2012) 2× NBA scoring champion (2006, 2007) NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (1997) NBA All-Rookie Second Team (1997) NBA 75th Anniversary Team
@neutral6941
2 ай бұрын
Rodgers is not on the same level as Kobe and Jordan. Montana and Brady is.
@SwaggGolden
2 ай бұрын
Joy is so dumb sometimes….
@FaceFamous
2 ай бұрын
VERY
@fvgc454ss
2 ай бұрын
I don't watch joy for her words
@williambreeze2659
2 ай бұрын
Big dog had my laughing with his body movements 13:36 lmao.
Пікірлер: 1,2 М.