“I’ve been involved in a number of cults, some as a leader, some as a follower. You have more fun as a follower but you make more money as a leader”
@themeg5715
4 жыл бұрын
Creed Bratton
@jmhatutube
4 жыл бұрын
Christianity is a cult.
@rakamandala2004
4 жыл бұрын
Papa smurf
@80sgirl96
4 жыл бұрын
ZeRo Beats Cool beans.
@jmhatutube
3 жыл бұрын
Jose Martinez - Based on the purest definition;which is how I defined Christianity Islam is also a cult. So when you hear these evangelicals declare everyone except them a cult, remind yourself how absolutely wrong they are. If anyone behaves with a cult mentality, they do.
@crankycorvusgaming5045
6 жыл бұрын
I was raised Mormon but broke off really young. Mormonism is really weird but for the most part really friendly people.
@pt7604
6 жыл бұрын
Friendly on the surface, but very toxic.
@sonnecarver
5 жыл бұрын
@@pt7604 ? How so?
@BnaiShalomJewishLDS
5 жыл бұрын
@@catmani2 Not a good way to respond.
@catmani2
5 жыл бұрын
@@DM-bu6to And yet they could easily outsmart and out argue you. So what does that say about you you half-witted, obtuse, imbecilic, doltish moron! Oh, i am sorry, i bet you couldn't even understand most of what I wrote, as your comment shows you have the vernacular of a 5 year old.
@LessThree
5 жыл бұрын
@Jim Caponzi Lol, because crimes happen that means that all followers of a religion are not friendly. MAKES SENSE
@JC-vj2wh
Жыл бұрын
I have been a Mormon my whole life. Most people locally are well meaning. My son left the church a few weeks ago after a horrific missionary experience with the Portland Oregon Mission president. He told me he wanted to leave but when I tried to bring my child home the mission president refused to allow me to pick him up, refused to give me an address to have him picked up and refused to provide me with a means to bring him home until I called the police. Mission President instructed the other missionaries in the home to not allow my child to leave which is technically a hostage situation and a crime. I complained through proper church channels but church leadership swept my concerns under the rug. I never thought of my religion as a cult until this incident with higher ranking church authorities.
@anhingathing2382
Жыл бұрын
Report it to lower levels and higher levels than what you are the Church is aware that these things are happening, and that’s why they made a big deal of it at the last conference, and form pf abuse or abusiveness won’t be tolerated. They straight up said anyone who is doing things, they’re going to get excommunicated.
@JC-vj2wh
Жыл бұрын
@@anhingathing2382 I reported it to the local leadership and my area leadership. The problem here is the person who is responsible for the abuse is at a higher level so the local and area leadership refused to contact anyone higher to report my issue. I heard the official church stance on it during conference as you stated but that is not what I observed while trying to report the abuse. I think they are more than willing to discipline lower level leadership while letting the higher level leadership do what they please. I agree with you that is what should happen and is what the church stated would happen but I don’t see them actually practicing what they just preached.
@anhingathing2382
Жыл бұрын
@@JC-vj2wh How long ago did you report this as well? Another thing could be that they're trying to investigate the issue further. It could also be that the Area presidency doesn't have authority to move forward with anything until they're told they can from their higherups, even then I think there's room for some concern, as if it's been more than it's fair share of time, then the abuse cases aren't being prioritized by those members.
@JC-vj2wh
Жыл бұрын
@@anhingathing2382 this one was pretty severe. I would think it would have been a pretty high priority. If I had someone hold another individual against their will and refuse to allow the person freedom, I would have that at the top of my investigation list. I would deal with the Mission President immediately. I reported it in October to area leadership and was just told “well I don’t know why he would do that but I’m sure he wishes he would have handled it differently.” Very indifferent and had a tone of not wanting to pursue it any further. I reported it in October the day after it happened. Maybe they are looking into it as you say? I have been very disappointed with my interactions with church leaders about this issue. If I had done this outside of the church, I would have been arrested and charged with a crime immediately.
@anhingathing2382
Жыл бұрын
@@JC-vj2wh Yeah, I agree entirely, have you tried reporting it again? That's a really long time, and sweeping it under the rug like that isn't okay.
@Liz_sims4
2 жыл бұрын
I am born Mormon and still go sometimes. I have to go cause of my father. Mormons are nice and I don’t think it’s bad, but it’s not right for me. Im starting to question and being Mormon doesn’t let me express who I truly am and it doesn’t make me happy. I will probably still go to the Mormon church until I am old enough to say “I’m leaving.” I just believe in God and the basics. I don’t want anything complicated
@michl2460
2 жыл бұрын
same here bro
@justinmarks2617
2 жыл бұрын
You can make it out.
@brandyshaw5307
Жыл бұрын
Good for you! God would want you to be yourself.
@Worldhistory534
Жыл бұрын
I suggest you pray to GOD for guidance
@Bernardo998
Жыл бұрын
Sooner or later you Will notice the doctrine is false and weird and you will leave it completely. That’s how it happened to me.
@ShawnRavenfire
6 жыл бұрын
My favorite cult would have to be the Amish. Here's a group of people who had some crazy beliefs, and so they went off and minded their own business. Perfect. (Okay, some people complain that their buggies damage public roads from time to time, but the way I see it, our cars are polluting the planet that they live on, so it's kind of an even trade.)
@7mikepd
6 жыл бұрын
Amish are not a cult. They just live differently than you do. This is a perfect example of bigotry.
@nickivie3103
6 жыл бұрын
they do make incredible furniture! haha
@BionicBoom88
6 жыл бұрын
At least the hommish make food, rugs, and clothes for the outside community. These Mormons just try and ruin laws. They own half of Vegas for a reason.
@fanafofolelblandblo7976
6 жыл бұрын
Shawn Ravenfire I think If I was gonna commit to any Crazy religion, I would choose the Amish. 😂😂
@mikewazowskisas1489
6 жыл бұрын
Half my neighbors are Amish, very strong people and so nice too.
@MountainHobbler
6 жыл бұрын
Colorado City is actually on the border of Utah and Arizona.
@MountainHobbler
6 жыл бұрын
That hurts a lot coming from someone who doesn't understand when to use the correct you're. I grew up in Utah and certainly know where Colorado City is located, look it up!
@johnrobert2072
4 жыл бұрын
@@MountainHobbler Would you take me over to the Short Creek? I hear it's good place to pickup chics
@Fantastic-clock-272
3 жыл бұрын
I live like an hour away from Colorado city and sometimes when I drive through the city I get curious and look at all the houses in the small town once I’ve looked at the majority of the houses and markets in the town I notice cars following behind me it’s not necessarily “scary” it’s just eery as fuck. I also work at a plant nursery and a lot of our customers are polygamists and the way they dress is funny as hell it’s like an Olden day “costume” it’s pretty weird that I have to type/ explain all of this weird shit because this is literally my everyday life.
@harrietharlow9929
3 жыл бұрын
I was going to ask a question about that be cause a) Colorado City in CO is nowhere near the CO-UT border and b) Colorado City is not a Mormon town (I used to live less than 20 miles away).
@harrietharlow9929
3 жыл бұрын
@Kenzie K Wonderful. Definitely not the Colorado City in CO. It was pretty quiet when I was living nearby. This Colorado City sounds like somewhere no one except a FLDS member would want to go.
@evancawley3236
3 жыл бұрын
I was a Mormon for two years and have left the church but I don't have a bad word to say about my experience in the church
@johnb5254
3 жыл бұрын
I was in it for 3 decades and I say the complete opposite. You didn't see the destructive side, so lucky you.
@evancawley3236
3 жыл бұрын
@@johnb5254 nope I only seen good things and like I said I can only speak positively about it. Then again I say every area of it is different. Alot of nice people in the church I went to so I use to feel great coming out of there on a sunday
@johnb5254
3 жыл бұрын
@@evancawley3236 You only saw what's on the surface. Lucky you.
@evancawley3236
3 жыл бұрын
@@johnb5254 please share your experience :)?
@thearbiter1175
3 жыл бұрын
I have been a member of the church for almost a year now. One of the reasons why I joined the church was because they were genuinely nice people and convinced me what I was taught were real. But here is my first problem: I didn’t even know if I was making the right decision to get baptized because I still had doubts. And according to them, they would, supposedly, know if someone is ready to be baptized or not. A missionary had a conversation with me before I got baptized to see if I was qualified, which I passed. But to me, it felt like any test you would have in school, as long as you get the answers right, then you pass. Furthermore, they keep telling people to pray to God if you have any questions, if your prayer and desire is sincere, you will receive the answer. Well, not a single question I had was being answered. Something I figured out lately that Christians are confirmation bias, meaning if you are looking for something to happen, and if anything then happens, that must be it, coming from god. For example, you have worked so hard to get something you desire. You finally got it, but because you believed it to be God’s gift, you disregard all the hard work you put into it, instead giving God all the credits. There was a time when I was bothered by the thought that if the church is not true, then how come everyone around me believed it to be true? Then I came to realization that most of them grew up with it, or indoctrinated since a young age. That’s how they view the world, telling them that their world view is not correct is an impossible task. When it comes to Science, most of them have this sort of selective amnesia where they agree with biology, physics stuff but completely in against with stuff like evolution, radiocarbon dating, etc.. The more I think about it the less convincing the LDS Church is to me, thought I found the real one(there are none, there is no heavenly entities), turned out to be just like other churches. Wish I had learned that earlier. Recently, I have been watching videos that debunk Christianity and Religion in general, and I couldn’t agree more with what them videos been saying. I still go to church every Sunday and participate in their activities, but I don’t feel it anymore, if I had ever felt anything in the first place when I joined the church.
@Dub636
3 жыл бұрын
As a former Mormon I’m surprised how much Rogan knows about Joseph Smith. To spit out his age at a certain year off the top of his head was pretty impressive
@Dub636
2 жыл бұрын
@balddicknosedasscanoe no hes never mentioned it before i don't think
@scottmolis4267
2 жыл бұрын
Wow! that sure makes him an authority!
@rambomoore381
2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure he has notes and reviews certain topics before the episode. Just a thought.
@42apostate
2 жыл бұрын
@@scottmolis4267 l was an active Mormon for 50 + years....born ln the "covenant", mission, BYU, bishopric, temple married, etc., etc. Would you consider ME to be an "authorlty"...as long as l didn't say anything negative about Mormonism? (l reslgned my LDS membershlp 20+ years ago.)
@jimbomanzano5743
2 жыл бұрын
@Dub You said “As a former Mormon I’m surprised how much Rogan knows about Joseph Smith.” Rogan practically knows nothing about Joseph Smith and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day. He’s just trying to be impressive to maintain his reputation of a commentator of sorts on the Internet, with the other guy just playing second fiddle. How about you, Dub? What’s your story? Obviously you know very little of the Church. How long have you been a member? We’re you even an active member who paid tithing? What made you leave, and which church, if any, do you go to now? What’s your story?
@yishaqdavid2029
5 жыл бұрын
I talked to a Mormon from Salt Lake City who was doing his MIssionary work in Northern Ontario Canada trying to convert the locals and natives.. They were really nice. We talked about the play book of Mormon. They liked it. I talked about South Park with them. They didnt seem to like SP very much lol. They gave me a bible and I couldnt throw it out. It just felt wrong. So it sits on top on my entertainment center with a Buddha lol
@josephsherman5288
3 жыл бұрын
Burn the religions icons... Not because I'm some extremist.. But just because if there is a God, it's sending him the message to come talk to you himself if he wants you XD
@markurry3149
3 жыл бұрын
@@josephsherman5288 What do you think the book is? It's God wanting to talk to you, but the real reason you burn it is because you don't actually want to listen.
@josephsherman5288
3 жыл бұрын
@@markurry3149 Not at all, it's an organisation's propaganda.
@pehrsonfishburn1477
3 жыл бұрын
You mean they gave you the book of Mormon?
@pehrsonfishburn1477
3 жыл бұрын
@@josephsherman5288 how could the book of Mormon possibly be propoganda?
@mmoan2
2 жыл бұрын
I worked for years with many Mormons. I don’t know much about their theology, but they were some of the most humble, kind and giving people I’ve ever met. I didn’t meet a single brainwashed cultist who tried to convert me.
@jeffs4483
2 жыл бұрын
Such nice Racists indeed.
@mmoan2
2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffs4483 huh?
@elementzr6978
2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffs4483 ???
@jeffs4483
2 жыл бұрын
@@elementzr6978 They believe dark skin is a curse.
@jakeseymour2484
2 жыл бұрын
People are inherently good and nice. Meeting friendly mormons in your life gives no relevance to the truth of their religion or indeed their morality. In the case of the latter it’s especially true as no person should have to believe religious doctrine in order to do good
@CallBoy1212
Жыл бұрын
I'm an active Mormon and have been my whole life. Honestly as a member i'm not looking to convert people wherever I go, honestly i'd rather just not talk religion most of the time anyway. I'm literally just trying to live my life the best I can. If you want to hang out, awesome, lets do it. Want to go to a bar? Awesome lets do it, I'll be your driver. Need help with something? Cool I'll try my best to be there. Some of the comments too talk about shunning other people that aren't LDS (Mormon) I think some of it comes from us LDS people feeling uncomfortable when people are talking bad about the religion in front of them anytime someone comes up and I don't think its probably a consious thing, just that people who talk bad about your morals and religion isn't something that makes me want to hang out with that person. I'm all for jokes and stuff, but its exhausting always trying to defend beliefs all the time. My kids go and hang out with kids in our neighborhood who aren't religious and we're friendly with the parents too. We're normal people trying to live normal lives too. I'll let my kids believe what they want, and ask questions on what they want.
@blaisen.3239
11 ай бұрын
I’m a devout Christian and what I have to say is you need to repent,get away from Mormonism,it’s a Cultic false religion.And if you choose not to you’re on the broad path to destruction.
@luvslogistics1725
Жыл бұрын
I’m a non Mormon but played hockey in Salt Lake when I was younger and spent a year there. The people were extremely nice and helpful. Yes they had large families and many beautiful Mormon girls wouldn’t marry outside their religion, tho I’d offer to convert they’d all say they didn’t want me to convert just for them. Still, an awesome helpful people. My truck broke down on freeway and in 5 minutes literally 20 passerby’s stopped to help me. Also a cop pulled me over once for weaving and recognized me and let me go asking if I could get him tickets. I remember it because I never did get him those tickets…20 years later.
@UnderWorldOfDarkness
Жыл бұрын
yeah, they're nice until you tell them to F off ...then they gang stalk you just like scientologists do
@WhiteArtsMagic
Жыл бұрын
as a lot of religious fundamentalists are. Just because they are humble, kind and giving does not mean they are not in a cult. Its part of their MO, part of the cult behavior
@sp-yj5wr
11 ай бұрын
They probably thought you were Mormon. Mormon's were friendly, until I told them I wasn't Mormon, then they avoided talking to me. Every time I visit SLC and Provo, I get a creepy feeling, like I'm an outsider. Its not a cult, just a weird closed social group, not a religion. Joe Smith had many scams going while starting the Mormon church. He was a crooked contractor, investor, etc and just wanted to get rich. State of Ohio had plenty of evidence of stealing $thousands from people, but he gained such a following with religion, they forced JS to leave the State and never come back. Visit SLC and see the teenagers living on the street. The church told their parents to kick them out until they repent. Many other weird things.
@lixifly5615
10 ай бұрын
@@WhiteArtsMagicdefinitely not 💀💀 ur brainwashed to believe that mormons are awful people 😂
@Ivantheterrible495
9 ай бұрын
@@WhiteArtsMagic I’m not saying that these Mormons weren’t helping out of good intention but your exactly right it’s still a cult reminds me of what this one KZitemr said “The absence of evil is not an indication for the presence of good” - Dry Creek Wrangler
@InsomniacXIII
6 жыл бұрын
Warren Jeffs is the guy you're trying to think of Joe.
@parkersmith3877
6 жыл бұрын
Dudes compound is whack I cleaned that shit out for a class in high school
@drjeffriessaysldsisatheolo7366
6 жыл бұрын
WARREN IS THE ONLY PROPHET WHO COMMUNICATES WITH GOD. LOL NOT!!!! DO FLDS ACTUALLY THINK THIS BIZARE! YOU STAY IN YOUR COMPOUNDS THE WORLDLY WORLD IS EVIL YOU STAY IN YOUR NICE COMPOUNDS LOL
@drjeffriessaysldsisatheolo7366
6 жыл бұрын
Warren Jeffs? LOL you mean LDS leader! wiki joseph smith jailed 42 times www.wivesofjosephsmith.org
@jonsprong1842
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, these guys really did their homework before doing this episode.
@skootempaw694
3 жыл бұрын
@Kenzie K you are sooo full of shit
@cclee6987
3 жыл бұрын
Mormons are friendly in the same way salesmen are friendly.
@jackiejoy810
3 жыл бұрын
We do a friendly. I am Mormon and I have a lots no- mórmon member
@dream4starz
3 жыл бұрын
yea FRAUDS
@markyjrocks68
3 жыл бұрын
exactly, i grew up mormon and i hate when people say they’re friendly, it’s so disingenuous.
@jackiejoy810
3 жыл бұрын
@@markyjrocks68 thank you
@swankhood
3 жыл бұрын
Mormons, They are nice but rarely are they kind.
@couchsurfingsam
3 жыл бұрын
Dude, I've got more beef than most with the LDS church, but many of your "facts" are incorrect. Firstly, Joseph Smith was killed in Illinois, not Missouri. The affidavit in the introduction to the Book of Mormon is not about polygamy. The FLDS sect was led by Warren Jeffs. Colorado City is near the boarder of Utah and Arizona, not Colorado. And you say you've been there?
@KC.801
2 жыл бұрын
Why you hate mormons?
@couchsurfingsam
2 жыл бұрын
@@KC.801 I don't hate Mormons.
@KC.801
2 жыл бұрын
@@couchsurfingsam you said you got beef wit em
@couchsurfingsam
2 жыл бұрын
@@KC.801Beef and hate are two very different things my friend.
@KC.801
2 жыл бұрын
@@couchsurfingsam if you have beef with someone you don’t like them 😂
@adventureswitharizonaart6117
10 ай бұрын
Not all Mormons that I've met are bad people, but of the 5 worst humans I've met, 4 were Mormons. The top 4.
@arturoangel3834
6 жыл бұрын
All i got to say is mormons have really good work ethic only people I've ever seen that are able to keep up with hispanics
@shawnreed7876
5 жыл бұрын
Cause mormons are hispanics.
@shawnreed7876
5 жыл бұрын
@Will iam Most are. I was a mormon missionary and have paid attention to mormon growth tactics since. "White people" don't become mormon anymore. More seem to be leaving than joining (like myself). The only people who join in USA are Mexicans and abroad outside of the USA are Africans.
@WiloPolis03
4 жыл бұрын
Appreciate it man
@WiloPolis03
4 жыл бұрын
@@shawnreed7876 Also that's not really true, I think by now there's a greater LDS population outside of the US than inside, but in American churches there's a very high white demographic. Not because we're white supremacists or anything, anyone should be able to join any church and it's the same with us, just because it started only 200 years ago in Utah.
@shawnreed7876
4 жыл бұрын
@@WiloPolis03 It is most definitely true. Look at the numbers. White people don't become mormons. More whities leave than join. Soon Latinos will stop joining as well. Most of the mormon church's current and future growth will be in Africa but eventually that will slow as well. Joseph smith's church has done remarkably well but as will all things, the pedofile's church will eventually die.
@dylanbryant4714
4 жыл бұрын
lol, I used to be Mormon and they're pretty close, but Joe has a bit too much misinformation from this
@logan9093
4 жыл бұрын
What misinformation was there?
@LazarusSchell
4 жыл бұрын
Lots... he's making generalizations and chronological misconceptions at the least.
@logan9093
4 жыл бұрын
@@LazarusSchell Can you give one example?
@dawsonsmith5921
4 жыл бұрын
Logan Tatham how joseph smith made up the polygamist rule so he can bang the neighbor, but he made that rule before he was married
@dylanbryant4714
4 жыл бұрын
2:45 the signed statement he's referring to was about them claiming to have seen the golden plates. Joe Rogan then says Joseph Smith 'started it all out when he was 14' but Joseph Smith only claimed he had a vision then maybe a decade later. Back then Joseph Smith was doing things like treasure digging. 8:17, the church actually still have some (or all) of the stones it was the golden plates that were claimed to have been brought up to heaven. Again, all super close and impressive that he knows so much about Mormonism.
@philbrooks5979
Жыл бұрын
Annoys me when people say how 'nice' they are. That has not been my experience.
@noahsherman4129
Жыл бұрын
If they are being rude or mean in any way, they do not understand the LDS doctrine.
@philbrooks5979
Жыл бұрын
@@noahsherman4129 Their doctrine is supremacist so it rubs off on it's members.
@MoseleySquad13
Жыл бұрын
Yeah just because you had bed experience doesn’t mean everyone in the church is bad
@philbrooks5979
Жыл бұрын
@@MoseleySquad13 Yes, it's bad 100%. That whole organization is based on lies and fed by endless bigotry, racism, and sexism.
@tjsMAR
11 ай бұрын
You're gonna find assholes anywhere even in the LDS faith you'll find them. I hope you have better experiences in the future
@biggentallen
2 жыл бұрын
You are wrong. The money from tithing does not go to helping poor people. It goes to building the church.
@kenziek6707
2 жыл бұрын
and went to paying for that mall, even though the Church promised it wouldnt multiple times.
@blondie7240
4 жыл бұрын
Tax exemption was instituted because the strong majority of churches were helping communities immensely.
@johnrobert2072
4 жыл бұрын
No so they do not have to pay taxes on property or income LOL
@katefeider
3 жыл бұрын
the government dosnt care about welfare and certainly didn’t when churches got tax exempt status. they don’t pay taxes because of how much the us government is corrupted by religion
@jeffs4483
2 жыл бұрын
LDS hoards it's $.
@terryking8984
57 минут бұрын
The average church only gives 7 to 8 percent to charity- the rest goes to church infrastructure- church outreach- church services- buildings, land, schools, most goes directly back to church hierarchy!! Churches are the worse way to use your money if you want to give for charity/ most charitable organizations have 80 to 90 percent going directly to charity!! And churches don’t get rated like non profits do!! Non profit organizations are transparent don’t they can get a rating- churches are secretive- and many like tv evangelists are corrupt
@aggiefootball6363
6 жыл бұрын
You can tell that Joe gets most of his info on mormons from southpark, lol
@kalanilul
5 жыл бұрын
as someone that grew up Mormon that South Park episode is pretty accurate.
@onixtv4034
5 жыл бұрын
@@nickpatrick2012 bruh not cool bashing someone because of their beliefs. Mormonism is a beautiful faith which teaches you to love your family, help others and to make the world around you a better place, by working hard having integrity and taking care of your body and those around you. Regardless of it's teachings and practices, it is still a beautiful faith, that does not sound like a cult to me, it sounds badass.
@I_am_archie
4 жыл бұрын
I love the south park but, Mormon the correct awnser.
@C.Noble13
4 жыл бұрын
Caine/Able Cannibal So sad I ❤ Mormons
@Godisgood-mm3tr
4 жыл бұрын
No he has facts I live In utah and you mormons should go to hell
@cloviswater4870
2 жыл бұрын
Around 9th-10th grade I had a good friend who was Mormon. He was devout and i actually went to their church a couple time as well as some youth events. Nicest ppl ever !! Their beliefs are wacky af but they do treat others nicely
@blessings2you435
2 жыл бұрын
@ Clovis... Nice... UNTIL YOU PROBE THE SURFACE OF THEIR FACADE. THEN... you'll learn all about "shunning".
@stevendrumm4957
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, unlike JW's, Mormons are allowed to have friends outside of their faith.
@jeffs4483
2 жыл бұрын
Nice until you start asking real questions.
@cloviswater4870
2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffs4483 yeah they have told me some weird ass shit man. I appreciate them not being assholes about me being an atheist but they were pretty weird with beliefs for sure
@blessings2you435
2 жыл бұрын
@Steve D ...not so much. Unless you're potentially baptizable OR a neighbor, local merchant, etc. - you'll get a pass, but no "recommend" (insider joke 4 LDS & NoMo's)!! But hey... we all gotta' serve SOMEbody.
@jonbaker476
2 жыл бұрын
The difference between a religion and a cult is that a cult always has strings attached, as in: they want your money and free labor. True religion is about philosophy and spirituality
@lifeisadream6130
2 жыл бұрын
Tue religious is about a hoard mentality. No freedom for self thought. If you arent in you are out
@michaelfoulkes9502
2 жыл бұрын
So all churches are cults.
@cmdann8
2 жыл бұрын
You don't find "true religion" in an organized church, only in individuals. I think people fail to understand that the word cult isn't always similar to what you see in the movies. With that said, a religion cannot be a cult, BUT all cults are religious.
@GreyWolfLeaderTW
5 жыл бұрын
Technically, all religions are "cults" in the original Greek definition of the word, as "cult" referred to a small body (what is called a congregation) of worshipers who gathered in private to perform religious rites of worship for their deities.
@jameschristensen1658
3 жыл бұрын
mormon church gatherings are entirely open to the public
@guidomonto3742
3 жыл бұрын
@@jameschristensen1658 but I’m pretty sure most of their rituals and other things are kept in secret.
@johnbush5347
2 жыл бұрын
@@guidomonto3742 even from members until they rank high enough
@guatanamabuddha754
2 жыл бұрын
@@guidomonto3742 no
@oliviagarrison946
2 жыл бұрын
@@guidomonto3742 Not true.. even what happens in the temples is written in the scriptures that ALL are encouraged to read. The words the movements.. etc.. it's all over the internet as well. There are even classes that are taught to members regarding what takes place in the temples. Nothing is a SECRET but we hold these things SACRED. There are 'rituals, rights' etc. in almost every ancient religion and tribes throughout the world. In the Temple in Jerusalem, there were clothing that was worn, words spoken, offerings given and places in the temple that only the Holy of Holies good go... I'm Jewish and from the Church of Jesus Christ. I have been in the Temple many times. Wonderful things take place there that bring families together such as marriages for all time AND eternity. Jesus said that whatsoever man binds on earth in only for this life time but whatsoever is bound by God is for eternity. I would want to have my children for all time and eternity... Baptism for the dead.. Christ when talking the Pharisees gave them a lesson about the resurrection. They didn't believe in the resurrection but they baptized the dead. Christ said, why baptized the dead if the dead rise not at all. He was trying to get them to understand that YES.. the dead are going to rise and they still needed to be baptized. This church is not the first in history that baptized the dead by proxy. Same with sealing of deceased family members to living so that the family lineage through time are still together for all eternity. This has been done through history as discovered through ancient writings and archeological research. So why is what my church doing so wrong? Because people don't understand it? People fear it? Because we are a peculiar people? Christ made it clear that the saving ordinance that are performed for the living must also be performed for the dead. There is an organization to everything that God does.. he is not a God of chaos. As far as 'ranking' up in the church.. there is no such thing. A man may be 'called' or 'set apart' through prayer and inspiration by a Stake President to become a Bishop of his ward.. He is only a Bishop for 4-7 years and then is replaced and he goes back into the normal congregation. A stake President is 'set apart' in that position for up to 9 years and then he is released and goes back into the normal congregation. These people in the church do not get paid but volunteer their time and it can take quite a bir of time. There is no compensation given. Someone who is 'set apart' serves in that position for a set period of time and then is released. An Apostle, the Prophet and the Patriarchs are 'ordained' into those positions for the remainder of their life. They don't 'rank' up. When the Prophet dies, yes.. it's USUALLY the president of the 12 apostles who become the next prophet but that is not always the case. The 12 apostles go to a room in the temple and they fast and pray as to who the LORD wants to be the next prophet.. not man. See, in Jewish history, it was usually the eldest son who received the Birthright and blessing from their father. This was tradition... But you will find that it was not always the case when God wanted a particular son to become the next Prophet. Esau should have but it went to Jacob, Ephraim received Joseph's but Joseph received Jacob's. God will choose who He chooses, whether a son of Pharoah who was slow of speech, had killed, had sexual relations, etc. or a 14 year old farm boy with a 3rd grade education. There is a great deal the public doesn't know about this church because there are so many people spreading lies or misconseptions.. This is not a SECRET organization.. we don't worship satan, the prophets or any other 'thing' or person.. Just Jesus Christ. Thus the name of the church.. THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST of latter day saints. By the way.. you can find that name and phrase in the dead sea scrolls found in 1947 in a cave on the coast of the Dead Sea.. How did a 14 year old boy know about that name in a scroll that was from the 3rd century BCE and found almost 100 years after his death... there is so much more that you all don't know or understand but I am more than happy to debunk your debunking. Ask me...
@tylertilla4654
6 жыл бұрын
Joe loooveeesss talking about those frontal lobes of the brain
@runevi
4 жыл бұрын
He thinks it makes him sound smart.
@just_a_kat6094
3 жыл бұрын
Don’t know if this is correct but I heard at one point he started to smoke a joint before each interview too. Sometimes I think he just likes to talk about whatever and sometimes doesn’t really care about the topic. Like some things are just throwaway topics for him idk lol
@animalistic670
3 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine if Joe Rogan was licking your earlobe?
@prestonsmith2617
5 жыл бұрын
Mormon and polygamy are not the same thing
@elevationeddie1981
5 жыл бұрын
arent the men promised multiple wives if they heed all commandments faithfully before death?
@jonathangatto
5 жыл бұрын
@Mr. Richardson Fake News
@curtisnucmed
5 жыл бұрын
ElevationEddie I’d be screwed as a gay man. A whole planet of women. I guess we could go shopping together.
@xokissy9533
5 жыл бұрын
Mr. Richardson so funny even the LDS can't face that weird shit said by former prophets lol
@sketchman1o16
5 жыл бұрын
Mr. Richardson can you give me a source
@jeffs4483
8 ай бұрын
Ex member here. Yes, it is.
@taylorwilles7676
6 жыл бұрын
Growing up in Utah and Lds this is an interesting conversation. I'm not active anymore but most of the mormons I know (including my family) are sweet down to earth loving people. Let people be people. living this way makes them happy.
@teslainvestor1743
3 жыл бұрын
But are they happy? I live in Las Vegas and the Mormons that I know under tremendous pressure. They have to hold up all their rituals, ceremonies, paying 10% of their income, wearing their magical undergarments. And the women are dependent on their husbands for their eternal salvation. Each member is given a secret name the wife can tell the husband but the husband cannot tell the wife. It’s all these strange rules that allows Utah to have the highest antidepressant rate and depression rate in the country. Ask around at least 50% of the Mormon women are on some sort of antidepressant anti-stress drugs. This is a false religion, true faith in Christ is peace.
@zanelarsen5265
3 жыл бұрын
@@teslainvestor1743 If you’d like to meet with the missionaries I can arrange that :)
@teslainvestor1743
3 жыл бұрын
@@zanelarsen5265 I like your sense of humor. 👍🏻
@westcoastsingletrack7854
3 жыл бұрын
They can preach to us why should we preach to them
@darlillama590
3 жыл бұрын
@@teslainvestor1743 You could pick out any brand of Christianity; and find multiple people suffering under its dogma.
@bighawklob2694
6 жыл бұрын
I was raised partially Mormon. I'm not religious, but will always love that church. FOA, I lived in Utah for about 15yrs and never once saw polygamy. Also, the 10% pay thing, they really aren't as stringent about those donations as ppl think. You just give what you can. They are all about family and community as well. There were times we were broke and the church gave us food and other necessities. And we weren't donating. They'll help with addiction probs and hints like that also. Idk about the early days, but what I do know is Brigham Young was a bad ass and fought his way into claiming Salt Lake City as theirs! They do do some weird stuff like baptism for the dead. But, they believe the person has the choice to accept it or not. It has a few judge mental types, but what doesn't. If you're looking, idk how much better you could get than this church honestly.
@Bendesho
6 жыл бұрын
The only real strictness about tithing is that you need to be a full tithe payer to have a temple recommend.
@nathanhunt2946
6 жыл бұрын
BigHawk LOB Brigham Young was a racist rapist. He had a "revelation" from God that black people could no longer be in the church. Wtf kinda god is that??
@DrNES73
6 жыл бұрын
Nathan Hunt Black people were members of the LDS church from the early days under Joseph Smith all the way up through the present time and have never been barred from membership. Missionaries were also sent to Africa later, and the LDS church has grown quite a lot there. You are mixing up a different issue, so you might want to know something before saying something.
@bighawklob2694
6 жыл бұрын
Nathan Hunt idk for sure if he was racist or not. Most were back then. However, blacks were always welcome in the church they just couldn't hold the priesthood til about the 60s. It's something I find bizarre but I don't believe necessarily he was a prophet, mainly cuz I don't believe in a deity or a God that judges us all. But he was a great leader and started an amazing civilization.
@nathanhunt2946
6 жыл бұрын
NES aight, you got me. BUT nevertheless it was still a "revelation" the same god that later reversed the rule? Did he make a mistake? Young said if a white person mixed with the "seed of Cain" the penalty was "death on the spot, this will always be so". And who cares that the church is popular in Africa? Just because they send missionaries to Africa doesn't mean your great leader wasn't a piece of shit.
@davidstorey8308
2 жыл бұрын
I was once Mormon can confirm it’s far fetched but also can confirm many of my best friends served missions and are amazing people!
@jeffs4483
2 жыл бұрын
Amazingly wicked and greedy.
@davidrochat5802
Жыл бұрын
Could be. Doesn't mean they didn't take people to hell.
@patrickmanway290
Жыл бұрын
It's so sad. These people can't enjoy their lives and instead go on these ridicolious missions.
@user-kx9se7tg8z
9 ай бұрын
There is some amazing people in the lds community, but let me tell you there are a few horrific people in that church and the titing isn't used for good they don't help no members at all
@jamescheddar4896
6 ай бұрын
When I know what happens on the missions, during the endowments, growing up etc. I question the sanity of people who came out of that fine. They're liars
@samsmoot3306
4 жыл бұрын
Wrong on the tithing too. Handbook 2 is available online for anyone to read. This conversation was the blind leading the blind.
@funtosail
4 жыл бұрын
So disappointed with Joe on this. So many errors in all their assumptions. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. This church does so much good in the world. Joe why not bring a real member of this church on your show, and get facts, read the Book of Mormon also. And remember ye shall know them by their fruits
@johnrobert2072
4 жыл бұрын
You have handbooks on how to pay LOLOLOL. Is your criminal organization also full of CPA's?
@cj8899
4 жыл бұрын
John Robert of course! How else do you think they’ve stock piled over $100 billion dollars and not paid any taxes?
@funtosail
4 жыл бұрын
@@johnrobert2072 You know nothing yet you think you know everything. Why don't you educate yourself versus just making stupid comments. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has been extremely wise with the money they receive. They have in vested, etc. They own the worlds largest ranch, have to largest food program in the world to feed the hungry. I have used this program instead of the gov program of food stamps. etc. Nothing was required to receive it, and only stipulation is that I was seeking work (church has one of the best employment programs in the world, which got me a job), and pay tithing if I could (not required). They build beautiful temples and houses of worship only for the use of spiritual matters. We have weddings there that cost zero. If I am ever in trouble on any level they are there to help. I could tell you benefit after benefit. And poor me for all this I pay 10% of my income to it if I want and once a month I give up the price of two meals to feed the hungry if I want. This churches programs is not like the government where it is wasted, it is used wisely.
@funtosail
4 жыл бұрын
@@cj8899 Actually its 200 billion. Much of the wealth is in property such as churches and temples, farms, ranches (to feed the poor), food storage facilities called Bishop Store Houses to feed and cloth the poor, preservation of historical sites, etc. It is not money just sitting in the bank. My father once needed a surgery and had little money so the church stepped in and helps. I could give you story after story. So maybe instead of just being critical, maybe become informed and learn all the amazing good they do with what the Lord has blessed them and me as a member of that wonderful church. This is what bothers me about what Joe and this guy are saying about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They are both so ill informed, related to Joseph Smith. etc. Joseph was not banging a 14 year old girl, there is no proof of that. DNA test of ancestors have not shown truth of this. Yes we lived the law of polygamy for a short time, like many did during Bible times, and like today, which is about 54 percent of the worlds population. The problem today is with groups who practice it and abuse it. Please become informed and let us fight evil where it really exists, primarily on the Left and the real alt right.
@bigchief70
6 жыл бұрын
Joe should get Jon Krakauer on the podcast!!!
@GrothendiecksWish
3 жыл бұрын
Krakauer too respected
@bigbigbigdoug
6 жыл бұрын
Just FYI, I have never, in 46 years of being immersed in LDS culture, heard anyone mention paying tithing on capital gains or profits of a home sale. I'm sure some LDS do this, but that's the minority; the hardcore. It's just never come up in thousands of LDS sermons or Sunday School lessons, and not doing this is certainly nothing Mormon leadership would ever call you out on.
@kennethlopez7772
4 жыл бұрын
bigbigbigdoug I feel you ,I have been to many congregations in many states ,such as all around Florida (Deltona ,Daytona,Miami,Tallahassee)and NYC,and NJ,l have never seen such things
@johnrobert2072
4 жыл бұрын
They have 130 BILLION in assets PEAK INVESTMENTS look it up! HIDDEN! Tisk tisk would be have to ask for your money when you have more than most fortune 500's. Bishop it's time to pay your tithing and if it's not an honest tithting no temple for your or salvation. SHIT you out top heaven. Not a cult lol
@michaelheliotis5279
3 жыл бұрын
Then you weren't listening very carefully, if I'm honest. The rule is 10% of _ALL_ income, which includes things like capital gains. More specifically, tithing is paid on your "increase", rather than just work-related and similar incomes, though as far as my mother was concerned they were the same thing. When I was a kid, my mother would very very sternly encourage me to pay tithing on my $5 of weekly pocket money, which had already been tithed as it came from her income, but as far as she was concerned it was income for me (an increase to the balance of my piggy bank) so the commandment was that I pay a 50c tithe. "If the money comes in, it's income" she'd say, which is why she insisted that relatives not give me cash for Christmas and birthday presents, because she didn't think it was very uplifting for me to be paying tithing on my Christmas gifts. More recently, in our ward we actually had someone ask the Elders Quorum President (a few years ago now) during a lesson on tithing whether he was supposed to pay tithing on the sale of his house, which was in settlement, and the president said he wasn't sure but he assumed so because it was a form of income. That prompted a discussion on whether the elder in question needed to pay tithing on the whole sale or only the increase from its original purchase value, and we resolved it was the latter as he'd originally bought the house rather than inherited it. He was actually surprised about it because he'd assumed he needed to pay tithing on the full sale, so he was glad the spirit had prompted him to bring it up. This is the only time I've ever heard of anyone discussing the minutiae of tithing payments, whether in lessons or even just in conversation, so I can understand that you would have never heard of anyone mention tithing on capital gains and the like. But I think this is more a case of Church leadership assuming that members will understand and honestly follow the rule that tithing it to be paid on "all income" or their "increase" rather than any wilful attempt by leaders or membership to subvert the rules on tithing in regards to extraordinary income.
@douglasderu980
3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelheliotis5279 @Michael Heliotis I stand by my assertion that this hasn't been something that's been emphasized specifically. To be real, I have avoided elders' quorum almost completely for years . . mostly to avoid ultra-conservative douchecanoes trying to insist on defining the finer aspects of various doctrines for everyone else. And I have no empirical evidence regarding the percentage of LDS that would stick to the letter of the law regarding tithing to the extent of applying it to capital gains on houses . . it's just my impression based on decades of being around people. If I had to reason it out, in most cases I sell a house, but then I'm buying another house, so it's not like I'm pocketing the difference. Yes, it would still be an "increase" . . but I don't see anyone being denied a temple recommend because they moved, made a profit on the sale of their home, and didn't pay tithing on the profit. That would be one hard-core bishop demanding that.
@michaelheliotis5279
3 жыл бұрын
@@douglasderu980 I don't disagree with you that it's not emphasised very much, I'm just saying the the Church's leadership probably just takes it for granted that people pay their tithing the way they're supposed to. And I don't think it's unreasonable for them to make that assumption, as most people who've obtained a financial position that affords them regular capital gains are likely to understand that they should be paying tithing on them. So anyone who isn't is very obviously cheating the Lord. I agree that you won't find a bishop who'll grind you over your once in a decade house sale, but if you're a career landlord who buys and sells houses all over the place, he'd be a pretty negligent bishop if he wasn't taking an interest in your capital gains.
@joshcarroll2181
3 жыл бұрын
I mean to be accurate, he was chased out of Palmyra, then chased out of Missouri, then killed in Illinois.
@NonyaSmith
3 жыл бұрын
Because he was a fucking criminal. Among other "ungodly" things.
@Decision_Justice
6 ай бұрын
He was also chased out of Ohio, and left in the middle of the night, but not before torching the building that had all the records of his wrongdoing. Ohio is where he had the FAKE bank that was illegal; he created it after the state turned down his request to create a bank.
@TaxinGigs
Ай бұрын
Palmyra?
@maroalexaraujosilva2448
5 жыл бұрын
Joe Rogan, I always support the fact that if you need something about someone, you should go directly to the person and ask. Seriously, the man you invited learned about Mormonism through some kind of cartoons ... it has no sense at all on the things he said.
@thebigm2467
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for saying this
@lukebasement
2 жыл бұрын
thanks for some sense
@roostercake5437
2 жыл бұрын
Jon Smith was a crook, and not a prophet at all. Humans can not become gods. God himself was never a man.
@hunterolsen7164
2 жыл бұрын
A very good comment
@Crux161
6 жыл бұрын
Netflix, why Mormons should smoke pot: “You guys, what if Joseph Smith made it all up?!” 😂
@shabbatman370
4 жыл бұрын
Crux161 Jesus is made up
@murpieball3129
4 жыл бұрын
I think you're thinking of mushrooms
@amadidamole7901
4 жыл бұрын
Jesus is real
@ivespoken8902
4 жыл бұрын
@@binguscat2514 and Quadalupe is your mother! lol
@wesleysmokes7876
3 жыл бұрын
He was probably on dmt😁
@louccideavon7116
4 жыл бұрын
I usually like joe rogan but A LOT of misinformation in this video. I'm really surprised by some of his ignorance on the topic
@TaylorRogersPhotography
4 жыл бұрын
What's wrong about it?
@jackkrusi8360
4 жыл бұрын
Same man
@louccideavon7116
4 жыл бұрын
Taylor Rogers Alright, here's my fact-checking of Joe and the other guy: I love joe Rogans podcast, but when this needs serious correction: 1.) they are not careful enough on differentiating mainstream Mormonism from fundamental Mormonism. The former condemns the latter for their polygamy practice and is not similar to the latter much at all. 2.) guy on the right is absolutely false, the so to speak polygamy revelation is not in the Book of Mormon and the revelation that other witnesses signed to testify of was not the marriage revelation but the gold plates of the Book of Mormon. Nowhere in the same ballpark Joseph didn't start the religion at 14, that was when he was very thoughtful about religion and claimed the beginning of his heavenly visions. The Book of Mormon came when he was 23, and many other parts of the religion gradually came for the 15 years after that. Guy on the right mischaracterizes Joseph's "trouble with the law". Look at every case and it was largely a matter of religious intolerance. The Mormons had an extermination order against them from the government of missouri, the federal government didn't defend them while acknowledging this injustice, and the governor of Illinois knowingly permitted Joseph to be put in a jail with too few guards that could be overrun by a mob and end in his death, which is what happened, he was not murdered for justified reasons. I'm sorry but painting the federal government as the innocent and purely fair party and Joseph as some rough lawless scoundrel is very ignorant of the historical context. Religious intolerance drove their persecution, and I don't think other religions would ever receive this same lazy mischaracterization I think this whole, Brigham young had to move west to evade federal authorities. We don't characterize the pilgrims as a cult that had to leave England to avoid just law enforcement, they left cause of religious intolerance and so did the Mormons. The Scientology comparisons to Mormonism being anywhere in the same ballpark shows a serious lack of anything more than a superficial understanding of Mormons. Look up the essays "Are Christians Mormon?" That's shows how Christian orthodoxy has actually followed mormon theology on several major points now in the 21st century, so the cult label isn't fitting when non Mormon scholars recognize the impressive substance of Mormon theology and when mainstream Christianity now aligns with it on several points. I like joe's concession at the end that most Mormons are really good people. The question must then be asked, can good fruit come from a bad tree? I get if people don't want to believe in the supernaturalism surrounding some of Joseph smiths claims, but there must be other admirable parts of the religion that is producing such good people and motivating people to be so Christlike. And for some reason ppl prefer to focus on the controversial rather than the mainstream
@johnrobert2072
4 жыл бұрын
Most normal people are ignorant to LDS cult members. ONly Cult members are more ignorant than just about anyone else on LDS subject SAD www.wivesofjosephsmith.org Question everything the cult tells you
@louccideavon7116
4 жыл бұрын
@@johnrobert2072 lol I never denied the original church practicized polygamy and I'm very aware of my religion. This is where accuracy about representation is important and that was Joe's error, even though he also goofed up on a lot of the facts as well. congrats you sent me one website that I've known about for a long time. Its not that we don't know about this history, there's an ugly side to it, the problem is that the embellishment and exaggeration by you and in this one time case, Joe, is that you're making up stuff on top of it and taking it way out of proportion. Get Educated please or don't be posting about it.
@keithhepworth6029
3 жыл бұрын
I drove thru Colorado City a few years ago on my way to the Grand Canyon. It was very surreal. All the homes were partly finished and I saw no one except for a pickup truck with a bunch of kids in pioneer clothes in the back.
@emilywilson696
2 жыл бұрын
That was most likely then re - enacting the story of how Brigham young marched to Utah , it’s called “ trek” where teens and the leaders wear pioneer clothing and walk for days
@keithhepworth6029
2 жыл бұрын
@@emilywilson696 If only that's what they were doing.
@seppyq3672
2 жыл бұрын
I was listening to a podcast today about why their homes are unfinished. It has something to do with tax statuses.
@hal22202
3 жыл бұрын
as someone who grew up mormon i can attest to the fact that they are not “the nicest cult”....
@starpaladin9532
3 жыл бұрын
All organized religion is a cult
@benjamingurevitch4097
3 жыл бұрын
@@starpaladin9532 No they aren’t. I suggest you check the BITE model to know what a cult is.
@tweekbrews5623
3 жыл бұрын
@@benjamingurevitch4097 The definition of a cult is literally a religion
@Abby-pd3rx
3 жыл бұрын
not all cults are bad, just saying.
@towelie4625
2 жыл бұрын
@@Abby-pd3rx it's bad when it forces people to live in a sense of false reality that if you join us you'll be happy. While the leaders reap all the benefits. Not everybody is so easy to submit. Nor like LIVING A LIE.
@JoshuaCarr
6 жыл бұрын
They did not do there research on the history in New York and Joseph smith.
@shabbatman370
4 жыл бұрын
Josh Carr spelling counts
@Godisgood-mm3tr
4 жыл бұрын
Well its definitely bullshit I live in utah and I'm guessing you do to Josh carr
@Decision_Justice
6 ай бұрын
What did they miss that they should correct?
@oshofosho3900
6 жыл бұрын
Being a Mormon, it’s like when folks accuse rogan of being in on a conspiracy or being controlled and he knows the truth about his own position but the opinions of others will remain. It’s all good, but I don’t talk jiujitsu technique because I’d sound foolish to anybody with more experience or practice than myself, vice versa....
@oshofosho3900
6 жыл бұрын
You said it so it must be true 🙄
@oshofosho3900
6 жыл бұрын
Jason YoMama my sympathies for your negative experiences... I’m sure you’ve found zero deception or imperfections in your continued attempts at fulfillment and a happy life elsewhere...
@oshofosho3900
6 жыл бұрын
Jason YoMama What makes magic underwear not OK? What makes symbolism wrong? You know for a fact that I can show you countless number of happy successful men and women and happy marriages and with happy kids who are in happy marriages and so on and you can point to some Bad examples as well. So who cares? I could point to good and bad examples of all in any and every type of people individual or group. , you have a mind that is triggered by Someone else’s underwear and preferred spiritual symbols and rituals... I can assure you that you think about other peoples underwear a lot more than more mormons buddy... I wish you very sexy underwear fantasies
@tripp8833
6 жыл бұрын
... Except you don't have to be a mormon to know Joseph Smith was a felon, a known fraud and a conman, who had dozens of wives, some dangerously young.
@MaddRezz
6 жыл бұрын
LMFAOO MORMONS ARE CULTISTS
@louccideavon7116
4 жыл бұрын
Alright, here's my fact-checking of Joe and the other guy: I love joe Rogans podcast, but when this needs serious correction: 1.) they are not careful enough on differentiating mainstream Mormonism from fundamental Mormonism. The former condemns the latter for their polygamy practice and is not similar to the latter much at all. 2.) guy on the right is absolutely false, the so to speak polygamy revelation is not in the Book of Mormon and the revelation that other witnesses signed to testify of was not the marriage revelation but the gold plates of the Book of Mormon. Nowhere in the same ballpark Joseph didn't start the religion at 14, that was when he was very thoughtful about religion and claimed the beginning of his heavenly visions. The Book of Mormon came when he was 23, and many other parts of the religion gradually came for the 15 years after that. Guy on the right mischaracterizes Joseph's "trouble with the law". Look at every case and it was largely a matter of religious intolerance. The Mormons had an extermination order against them from the government of missouri, the federal government didn't defend them while acknowledging this injustice, and the governor of Illinois knowingly permitted Joseph to be put in a jail with too few guards that could be overrun by a mob and end in his death, which is what happened, he was not murdered for justified reasons. I'm sorry but painting the federal government as the innocent and purely fair party and Joseph as some rough lawless scoundrel is very ignorant of the historical context. Religious intolerance drove their persecution, and I don't think other religions would ever receive this same lazy mischaracterization I think this whole, Brigham young had to move west to evade federal authorities. We don't characterize the pilgrims as a cult that had to leave England to avoid just law enforcement, they left cause of religious intolerance and so did the Mormons. The Scientology comparisons to Mormonism being anywhere in the same ballpark shows a serious lack of anything more than a superficial understanding of Mormons. Look up the essays "Are Christians Mormon?" That's shows how Christian orthodoxy has actually followed mormon theology on several major points now in the 21st century, so the cult label isn't fitting when non Mormon scholars recognize the impressive substance of Mormon theology and when mainstream Christianity now aligns with it on several points. I like joe's concession at the end that most Mormons are really good people. The question must then be asked, can good fruit come from a bad tree? I get if people don't want to believe in the supernaturalism surrounding some of Joseph smiths claims, but there must be other admirable parts of the religion that is producing such good people and motivating people to be so Christlike. And for some reason ppl prefer to focus on the controversial rather than the mainstream
@toyconnoisseur4948
4 жыл бұрын
Michael's depiction of the LDS church was more accurate than the one taught in gospel doctrine classes. cesletter.org/ Start there.
@louccideavon7116
4 жыл бұрын
@@toyconnoisseur4948 lol people who get that flustered by the CES letter are people who don't know how to think for themselves. I've read it many times and am not bothered by it at all, there are a ton of flaws in it, and I know enough about Lds history and theology to know what's a valid attack and what's lazy. and most of it is the latter. I'm not saying gospel doctrine is be all end all, but you're ignoring volumes of scholarship on these subjects in the name of you didn't learn it in Sunday school. Grow up and teach yourself. Most people bothered by CES letter were people who never took their own learning upon themselves. So if its trust issue with the church cause of that fine I get that, but don't act like the CES letter is an impressive document, once you get out of your angsty teen phase you'll realize how irrelevant it was all along.
@louccideavon7116
4 жыл бұрын
@Kenzie K Yea you don't seem like someone who has an open mind to discuss this topic, you seem waaaay to arrogant and overconfident about your positions. Also, your disbelief of 21st century converging with mormon theology positions shows your vast ignorance of the actual literature, which tells me that your "big brains" on this subject, really came from a few KZitem videos and a few websites. Talk to me when you've actually read the professional scholarly literature, and get off the amateur blogs. You've already shown me you're not interested in having a serious discussion, but just want to vent off your anger so you feel a bit better about whatever insecurities are bothering you.
@dallinkenyon1
2 жыл бұрын
@@louccideavon7116 The big hitter in the CES letter is the book of Abraham. I’m not sure why you would attack a paper that is helping people escape a cult… lol
@kellherman
2 жыл бұрын
Super well written comment. Sounds like the guy in the interview didn’t do his research. Annoying.
@TheBeanGreen
Жыл бұрын
I grew up Mormon. I think they're kind people, however generally not nice. Extraordinarily judgmental as well and generally unaccepting. This is having grown up on the east coast in the church and also living utah as an adult as an ex Mormon.
@1989TS..
6 жыл бұрын
All religions have one thing in common. All of them started out as a cult.
@JoseRodriguez-wb9vb
5 жыл бұрын
All churches should pay taxes ! Period !
@sgaks9381
5 жыл бұрын
Unless they give millions and millions to help those in need
@mattlamb8949
3 жыл бұрын
@@sgaks9381 exactly. They actually put that money to good use rather than the waste that is the Federal Government.
@brauckstar
Жыл бұрын
I lived in SLC for 3 years. When I was moving out of my apartment, someone came inside while I was moving boxes to my car and left a Book of Mormon on my counter. That’s creepy.
@MoseleySquad13
Жыл бұрын
Yeah but that’s just a creep not a typical Mormon That was a bad apple Plus that really isn’t that creepy It’s just like leaving a bible at someone’s front door it’s just someone tryna spread the word on christ
@eldbowers
5 жыл бұрын
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them
@warriorofgod1412
3 жыл бұрын
Facts, mormonism is a cult, true Christianity is by the Bible, the 66 nooks we have now is all we need
@jasonbowers130
3 жыл бұрын
@@warriorofgod1412 A cult is a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object. If Christ is your "particular figure" i hope you are in a cult too.
@johnb5254
3 жыл бұрын
Mormons are bad fruits, correct.
@warriorofgod1412
3 жыл бұрын
@@jasonbowers130 ah yes but Joseph Smith was a false prophet
@warriorofgod1412
3 жыл бұрын
Whatever happens you guys, don't take the covid19 vaccine
@karljonson3287
6 жыл бұрын
Why are people offended by existence of religion? It exists, so what? Noone's forcing you to preach.
@AusExplorer
6 жыл бұрын
Because they interfere in all aspects of life based on 0 scientific evidence proclaiming that their imaginary friend is the real deal, the other 3000 imaginary friends aren't and so what they say is important. Look at abortion or euthanasia or stem cell research, all the nutters with their imaginary friends sticking their nose in everyone's business. No one would care if the lunatics would keep their insane ranting to themselves.
@urbanwoods5992
5 жыл бұрын
@@AusExplorer Adhominim attack that is intellectually disingenuous.
@sumuqh
2 жыл бұрын
This conversation is fascinating
@tyronesmith9678
2 жыл бұрын
Tried having a discussion on an LDS website, yea, they delete all your reposes and then rail against you. IF you think they are "good people" try having a conversation about their beliefs when you're black and see how far you get. The missionary that was flaming on this page is a prime example.
@mortdiver
2 жыл бұрын
A 43 year old black lady was just baptized at the LDS church that we started going to the other day and there are many people of colour there. Maybe it was the topic of your conversation and not the colour of your skin....
@tyronesmith9678
2 жыл бұрын
@@mortdiver Yea heard pleantly of those stories, one guy said his entire ward was black...at least until i aksed him the name of ward then he ran and hid because i know he was lying. Henochparks who told me he was half black was also funny as he said he was also, Paiute, Cherokee, Miwok, Mayan, and oh he was also racially Jewish. LOL yea he is the same dude who claimed he was in the amry and invaded panama in 72 and that he had the silver star. I dont pay any attention to these stories because yoall make stuff up all the time. The last LDS missionary i had said he had many "orthodox Jew friends" 2 other people challenged him on it asking for a webmeeting and then he strangely disappeared. He was the same guy that told me yoalls church never banned blacks too. Since this started the only thing I knew about your church was youall had issues with stolen valor people and were against blacks until 72. Since i originally posts this comment (but then deleted and riposted it because I got sick of the LDS missionary lying to me), I see you guys have some issues with basic honesty. One guy even told me any black who said he was the victim of LDS racism pre 78 was a liar. My father and all his friends at the VFW were. I dont appreciate when your church says blacks are lying and it just proves to me, you church is no place for anyone of color. So maybe you are the ONE honest LDS i ran into so far and are being truthful, maybe you found ONE as you say. I really am tired of taking your word for anything only to find out later it was a lie later. Even if you did, your church is still over 90% lilly white in the us and you all lie a lot. There is a case going on here against the LDS church the church tried sneaking an active Life long Mormon as a Judge. The plaintiff was able to complain and the Judge said he simply "forgot" he was an active member in your church. Come on man, a JUDGE in a case?!?!? Whatever.
@tyronesmith9678
2 жыл бұрын
@Kenzie K Got sick of that dude, lying to me and looking to start a fight. Tiring after working a long day to put with people like him being Jerks for Jesus. They really should rename the church to something like that. The more they try to fix this crap and gas light me the more I have no use for them.
@tyronesmith9678
2 жыл бұрын
@Kenzie K Yea, got tired of mister racist and his rants
@tyronesmith9678
2 жыл бұрын
@Kenzie K This dude isnt much better though, but at least he didn't start using racial slurs. Appears quite Common for LDS to use those, probably from their hatred of others. Lying to and about Blacks isnt much better
@elcesar999
2 жыл бұрын
I am not religious but Mormons look happy 😁
@holocade4908
7 ай бұрын
They're not trust me. Fakest people on the planet
@andrewpruett3719
6 жыл бұрын
Joseph Smith didn't die in Missouri
@johnrobert2072
4 жыл бұрын
No Joseph Smith killed couple guys in Carthage jail and the local honest community came to snuff out this murderous Joseph Smith
@IamClaytonLittlefield
4 жыл бұрын
John Robert ... lol no, the “local honest community” that you’re referring to was a mob of angry bigots on a mission to kill Hyrum and Joseph Smith. While these mobsters were heading up the stairs and into Carthage jail, a few of them were killed in self defense.
@joshua.snyder
3 жыл бұрын
While Smith didn't deserve to be murdered, he brought his death in Illinois on himself. He likely would have been legally executed as it is, for being a government official, and military officer guilty of sedition.
@Decision_Justice
6 ай бұрын
The mob of men who took out Joseph Smith did so in Illinois, not Missouri. The "Council of Fifty" meetings records show that Smith was guilty of Treason. He had a plot to overthrow the U.S. government and turn it into a Theocracy with himself as King. He even had himself crowned King. It was the documents published by the State of Missouri in 1842 regarding the crimes of Joseph Smith, the destruction of and banning of the Free Press, and the stealing of other men's legal wives that enraged the mob. They knew he planned to abolish the U.S. Constitution and to overthrow the U.S. Government.
@jdsartre9520
3 жыл бұрын
"they're really nice people and are good to each other" until you hear the women talk about the drama and the other women and cliques and slights in primary and young women and relief society. You'd think the only true church would be some level of different from the rest of the world. But no.
@cclee6987
3 жыл бұрын
This! Because I've never met pettier people then the ones who claim that they're oh so holy. And their teachings on obedience are nothing short of authoritarianism.
@robertrosskopf4641
3 жыл бұрын
In the LDS church we are taught charity. Some members are really slow students. Fortunately, God has charity, and patience.
@austinellsworth9641
3 жыл бұрын
And the priesthood’s general lack of energy and enthusiasm outside of camping😂
@jdsartre9520
3 жыл бұрын
@@austinellsworth9641 ha!
@solomonstello
3 жыл бұрын
@@austinellsworth9641 definitely.
@1770-p9p
2 жыл бұрын
It's weird Scientology and Mormonism is always mentioned together It's scary.
@traphomebaby
2 жыл бұрын
It’s because there both cults and make no fucking sense lol
@victorpubejuice
7 ай бұрын
Rogan mentions Scientology always with religion to establish his belief
@PraisingWithFriends
4 ай бұрын
My grandpa was an ordained Methodist pastor. He most definitely paid property taxes.
@shaunmayhew8294
3 жыл бұрын
You may be surprised how much of the food pantries are actually filled by the Mormon or LDS church here in Utah or an Idaho or in California or Nevada. On top of teaching people to farm arranging for running water and small villages Distributing clothes to third world countries and two natural disaster areas and a number of actual relief efforts such as those that Community also teaches literacy to the poor trades to people who normally wouldn't have a future otherwise and creates educational opportunities, helps people in everything from addiction recovery to abuse recovery to people who want to go through their program for genital identity issues. They hit help women who are in trouble with pregnancies another issues worldwide and their youth is constantly involved in service activities with their leadership. They've helped build auditing programs and systems for organizations to make sure that they are not wasting money or having recourse stolen from them.
@MoseleySquad13
Жыл бұрын
Yeah definitely a cult 😂
@shaunmayhew8294
Жыл бұрын
@MoseleySquad13 By definition, all Christianity is a cult. It isn't an insult if you believe Mary was mortal.
@victorpubejuice
7 ай бұрын
@@MoseleySquad13just cuz you don’t want the money that’s used for helping communities stolen isn’t a cult lmao
@Decision_Justice
6 ай бұрын
In reality the church hoards $$$$money$$$$ and does very little to actually help people. In ONE investment account alone the church has more than $ONE BILLION DOLLARS. Yes, that's Billion with a "B." And they continue to hoard the money while not helping when there is so much need. You really should investigate who is actually on the front lines doing good, because it most definitely is not the Mormon church.
@zachhenslee6925
5 жыл бұрын
The reorganized church practices polygamy, not lds
@zachhenslee6925
5 жыл бұрын
@Snow Angel nothing I said was wrong though lol, we used to practice polygamy, and we no longer do
@josephshillabeer
5 жыл бұрын
the lds church still practices polygamy. Although you cannot be married to more that 1 wife at a time, you can be sealed to multiple women.
@harrisonwintergreen1147
5 жыл бұрын
No, the reorganized LDS church always rejected polygamy and denied that J Smith practiced it. the FLDS church and its offshoots are the polygamists. So many LDS branches it can get confusing ...
@zachhenslee6925
5 жыл бұрын
@@harrisonwintergreen1147 that's who I meant flds
@kennethlopez7772
4 жыл бұрын
Will iam Lmaoo what
@lilrob31400
4 жыл бұрын
My best friend was a Mormon, idk, never really asked him about it. But down the line 8 years of being my bro, he stole from me, and lowkey gets at all my exes. Cut him off since.
@johnrobert2072
4 жыл бұрын
Untrustworthy and MANIPULATE! MANIPULATE like the DEVIL!
@Gordonsmith3
3 жыл бұрын
I mean that doesn't have anything to do with his religion he's just a bad guy.
@jeffs4483
2 жыл бұрын
Mormonism literally encourages bad behavior.
@captainx4935
2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffs4483 what? How?
@jeffs4483
2 жыл бұрын
@@captainx4935 Cult behavior.
@jeffguybersen
Жыл бұрын
David koresh was no different than joseph smith and brigham young. the branch dividian and mormonism are no different.
@Frogman1943
2 ай бұрын
thank you for your expert opinion. im sure you fully researched these individuals before you came to this conclusion.
@jeffguybersen
2 ай бұрын
@@Frogman1943 any time! 👌
@isitwindy21
6 жыл бұрын
I live in Boise and in my neighborhood we have a hardcore fundamentalist Mormon family, you know the kind where the women wear homemade dresses that go down to the ankles and the men wear plain buttoned down shirts and off brand blue jeans that never quite fit right, the teenage son comes over to my house from time to time looking for work, every once in a while I’ll have him clear brush and give him a few bucks, one day while he was working I asked him if he wanted some water and started asking him about himself, he’s about 16, never been to school, doesn’t own a tv, supposedly a master furniture maker, and his last name is Jeffs. Right then my ears perked up and I said “oh yeah, like part of the Warren Jeffs family”? And he looked at me like how could this heathen possibly know Warren? Then I said “I watch the news” and he immediately clammed up and I couldn’t get anymore out of him. I don’t know where he falls in the family lineage (there’s 100’s of em) but I suspect that family managed to “break off” from the rest of the cult and are now living in a quiet neighborhood in Boise, he hasn’t been back since, kinda a weird kid
@popcultureodyssey4459
4 жыл бұрын
Those...are not Mormons bro.
@isitwindy21
4 жыл бұрын
Radical Vlogs don’t defend them man, “those” are Mormons just more on the fundamentalist side than you might like
@popcultureodyssey4459
4 жыл бұрын
@@isitwindy21 I dont think so but I could be wrong.
@RealHorhay
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, those are FLDS, not LDS
@torbit
3 жыл бұрын
@@RealHorhay actually flds actually follow the religion as it was originally written. They are all cut from the same religion with flds actually being more true to its origins. Read more about it if you are interested.
@dishinitoutcooking
Жыл бұрын
Joe Smith got in trouble in Chicago as well.
@magical8013
Жыл бұрын
When we moved to Utah in the 90s. We were welcomed by half the neighborhood, once they found out that we weren't Mormon and we didn't go to church. None of the kids were allowed to play with us and basically we were ignored from there on out. They like to keep to their own. Oh and trust me they'll act like you don't exist.
@loisdanes176
Жыл бұрын
Not all of us are like that. But I believe you 100% because I grew up with these idiots. They focus on the wrong part of Christianity often because some of them are so frightened.
@garys.2291
Жыл бұрын
They only tolerate non members to the extent that they hope to convert them one day. When it's clear you are not interested, you are automatically shunned.
@magical8013
Жыл бұрын
@@garys.2291 You hit the nail on the head
@LilView
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like a dream honestly. I wish all of my neighbors acted like I didn't exist
@garys.2291
Жыл бұрын
@@LilView You want to live around neighbors that secretly hate you?
@musliboy2430
3 жыл бұрын
I was at least somewhat christian until i moved to a town with a lot of mormons and now I just don't feel comfortable with that stuff anymore. the not cursing, Not being able to hangout Sundays, no sleepovers, etc. it started to piss me off
@johnb5254
3 жыл бұрын
Not to mention their irrational hatred of tea and coffee.
@musliboy2430
3 жыл бұрын
@@johnb5254 Yeah because they do drink soft drinks which have caffeine. There's no reason for that shit, it makes no sense. I also dislike that they can't watch Rated R movies. The list goes on and it's almost like they're not allowed to be human
@johnb5254
3 жыл бұрын
@@musliboy2430 I tell them Coffee is much healthier than a Coke but they can't understand. Haha.
@joetaylor8687
Жыл бұрын
One difference between a religion and a cult is that religions tolerate and mostly ignore any critics and naysayers, and just move forward with those who have common beliefs. Cults, on the other hand, have very little tolerance for members who question or criticize the organization or its leaders, and will move to punish and penalize offenders in many ways, usually making it as public and painful as possible. Social pressure is a powerful tool, and one that cults depend upon heavily for their status and longevity.
@Zachary-
Жыл бұрын
By this definition, the mormon church is decidedly not a cult.
@MoseleySquad13
Жыл бұрын
Yea of all churches Mormons are actually some of the least cult like by this definition
@AmericanDadContent
Жыл бұрын
@@Zachary- Excactly. I don't see the church talking badly about anti-mormons lol
@Avsfan23
7 ай бұрын
That's the mormon church right there. The members may seem really nice on the outside but if you offend them, your life is over.
@mcanders19
5 жыл бұрын
Grew up in utah and was raised in the church. I left the church when I was 18. Nicest people, but OH BOY are they judgemental.
@johnlee1352
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for leaving on your own so we didn't have to throw you out.
@nickdipaolofan5948
5 жыл бұрын
Judging a group as judgmental.....irony bomb
@johnlee1352
5 жыл бұрын
Wow...you know 16 million people well enough to judge them all? What a guy!...idiot
@mcanders19
5 жыл бұрын
Wow, way to be an example. How christ like of you.
@johnlee1352
5 жыл бұрын
@@mcanders19 Oh...NOW you're concerned for the standards of the church? Judged 16 million people unrighteously and now you're playing the victim...a millennial no doubt.
@timpeacock9820
11 ай бұрын
Smith was actually in his 30s when he wrote the book of mormon. He was suposedly 15 when he allegedly saw God known as the first vision which changed several times.
@outtoxicated9104
4 күн бұрын
Just because someone is friendly doesn't mean they're not stupid
@thewetphoenix4680
6 жыл бұрын
Try doing genealogy when your 2 generation of grandfather's had ten wives each.. lol.. they do not know who they have sworn their essence to? Smh...
@skootempaw694
2 жыл бұрын
Who invented genealogy knuckle head?
@Decision_Justice
6 ай бұрын
I ran into that also. A real mess. And an elderly member of my ancestry was very emphatic to me that this was a stupid move of the LDS Church to enshrine polygamy into church Doctrine. She was very clear that she had been at her grandmother's knee time after time as her grandmother bemoaned the horrors of polygamy. It was NOT of God she said.
@fatheratum5033
3 жыл бұрын
I used to be Mormon. There's some good stuff, but their secrecy, patriarchy, finances, policies with LGBTQ+, and their psychological power over people are very disturbing.
@johnlee1352
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for leaving so we didn't have to throw you out.
@fatheratum5033
3 жыл бұрын
@@johnlee1352 Obviously you have no belief in Jesus’ lost sheep parable. I thought Mormons were Christians.
@johnlee1352
3 жыл бұрын
@@fatheratum5033 I leave it to others to coddle the dross. I'm more of the guy with the rope doubled up driving the moneychangers from the temple...
@fatheratum5033
3 жыл бұрын
@@johnlee1352 Except in this case , your the one protecting the money changers; given that the church has about $120 billion and uses only about 6% of the interest in that for charity while requiring the poor to tithe before buying food for their kids. Great work!
@johnlee1352
3 жыл бұрын
@@fatheratum5033 If you were LDS, thanks for leaving voluntarily. If you never were LDS, thanks for staying out. We don't need the weakness and confusion.
@maltesetony9030
3 жыл бұрын
Mormonism: the religion for people for whom ordinary religions are just not weird enough.
@loganisom6458
2 жыл бұрын
I wish that joe would get an actual active member of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and ask him and see what they have to say
@MoseleySquad13
Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@Decision_Justice
6 ай бұрын
You can't get a complete opinion by only listening to a person who is brainwashed and will only repeat what they are programmed to say. It's better to listen to someone who has been in the church and lived it and then left, and is no longer controlled by it to get an honest opinion. Those who are subject to being punished or shunned by the church or its members are not going to feel free to speak. For example, the person who has bought the product and used it for a few years and then stopped is the only one who is going to be honest about the flaws.
@dragonfire3102
3 жыл бұрын
Let's not forget about heavens gate , that lunatic that suited everyone up in nikes! then drugged them after he told them a space ship would pick them up behind the moon . LMMFAO 🤣 😂
@ksockpuppet8841
2 жыл бұрын
Lol you can tell this page went out of someone Excell spreadsheet expecting it's "social media missionaries" to bully people from critiquing thier destructive cult.
@jeffs4483
2 жыл бұрын
Morg Bots.
@LovelyWhispersss
5 жыл бұрын
Tara Westover needs to be on the show!
@MonaLisaHasNoEyebrows
Жыл бұрын
I don’t know if I’d say NO religious institutions should get tax exceptions; the Catholic Church is the largest private provider of education and runs the most soup kitchens (privately) in the US. Many Protestant, Muslim, Hindu, and Buddhist groups do valuable secular outreach in their communities as well. Call me crazy but I don’t want one, central, politicized entity controlling all food and social service for the needy through the Federal government with taxes; they are the most inefficient group I’ve seen in my life time that is allowed to continue existing.
@Decision_Justice
6 ай бұрын
I can understand that. Problem is the LDS Church has amassed in just ONE investment account alone $100 BILLION DOLLARS. Yes, that's BILLION with a "B." They do very little good, and use only a tiny percentage of their wealth for charity, and usually only when they can get good press attention in return. A church that wealthy can afford to contribute something to the country that made it so wealthy. As it stands they pay NOTHING toward the upkeep of all the infrastructure they benefit from -- roads, water systems, sewer systems, electricity infrastructure, etc. They should at the very least participate in covering costs and they should pay property tax on their vast holdings. The Catholic Church does contribute much more than the LDS Church does.
@SaltLake808
6 жыл бұрын
Hey Joe. Mormons that you know that are Olympic Wrestlers and MMA Fighters include Mark Shultz, Cael Sanderson, Rulon Gardner, and also Mark Hunt- who used to have an LDS symbol on his fighting trunks,- but I do believe that Mark Hunt isn't a practicing Mormon at this time in his life. Just some trivia.
@TYTfan
6 жыл бұрын
That’s not how you spell Mark Schultz’s name you boner.
@SaltLake808
6 жыл бұрын
HeroSquad1millionA.D. Thanks I will try and do better at re-checking my spelling. What other skills do you havr besides trolling for KZitem spelling errors, staring at your balls all day and wondering why nobody responds to your friend requests on Facebook.
@youarenotmadenough655
2 жыл бұрын
Joseph Smith was a wrestling state champ if I recall correctly
@frankarden4852
2 жыл бұрын
Some trivia, nobody gives a F
@ronedwards2340
Жыл бұрын
And Mark Shultz is out and glad of it!!!
@Erin-bd6jg
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. It is. So was Christianity at one point. The definition is: "a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.", and "a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object." Any religion seen as fringe is considered a cult.
@Fantastic-clock-272
3 жыл бұрын
I was raised Mormon and was actually reading the Book of Mormon and had somewhat of a belief in the church all the way up until 8 months ago when I had a near death experience. You would think that would push me closer to god but it did the opposite I woke up from a coma and had to repent for all my sins to my bishop which were things like having sex, drinking beer and smoking weed. The reason it pushed me away is because everyone was saying things like “ we’re asking everyone in the ward to pray for you”and “we’re fasting for you” they believed that through fasting and prayer my life was saved and I was like uhh no the doctors and surgeons saved my life my family is still super Mormon so no hate to Mormons they’re really nice people I just am not that gullible to believe in that comical religion
@elijahbachrach6579
2 жыл бұрын
Go a step further. Doctors and surgeons didn’t save your life, it was the natural self healing operations of the body merely aided by doctors that saved it. Doctors don’t heal bodies, they only help bodies to heal themselves. Go another step further. Your life wasn’t saved, your death was postponed. Memento Mori
@elijahbachrach6579
2 жыл бұрын
@@skootempaw694 I think you meant to say “pray” and not “prey.” At any rate, I don’t think the KZitem comment section is a good place to proselytize. As a platform for religious discourse, it’s worse than pamphlets.
@elijahbachrach6579
2 жыл бұрын
@@skootempaw694 ok.. I pray too... I also live in Salt Lake City, and have lots of lovely Mormon coworkers where I work building furniture for the temples. I don’t have anything against Mormons, I just don’t think proselytizing in KZitem comments works.
@elijahbachrach6579
2 жыл бұрын
@@skootempaw694 sure. No hate. I was just advocating for the “right time and place.”
@blessings2you435
2 жыл бұрын
@@elijahbachrach6579 Then don't hang about in utube comment sections. Problem solved. It's an "Occum's Razor" function of cognition whence making choices. Google it for clarity.
@ProjectCreativityGuy96
3 жыл бұрын
They are the world's most popular doorknockers!!!
@lu_ke_onna_beat
5 жыл бұрын
Brigham young is my fifth great grandfathers brother
@kathleenhudson5830
4 жыл бұрын
That’s unfortunate! I’m sorry
@lu_ke_onna_beat
4 жыл бұрын
Kathleen Hudson i know, i hate having family connections to the church because i feel obligated to believe when i really don't
@ashtonkutcher7041
4 жыл бұрын
luke hutchings I know what you mean. My family is mormon and one of my grandfathers is Joseph Smith. I don’t believe in Mormonism but I feel like I’m failing my family whenever I don’t go to church with them
@kathleenhudson5830
4 жыл бұрын
luke hutchings yeah no I get that. I’m actually related to Brigham young distantly but closer related to joseph smith haha rip
@johnrobert2072
4 жыл бұрын
So who is Sandra Tanner to you?
@44dton
2 жыл бұрын
mormon and i can tell you most of the money does not go to helping anyone but the organizational church itself.
@johnb5254
2 жыл бұрын
True. They launder their $ into real estate.
@tyronesmith9678
2 жыл бұрын
Oh yea we know this for a fact, they pragged about spending a tiny 40 million a year when they take in 7 billion. Thats less than 1 percent they spend on charity unlike most christian churches which are at least 10%. And like the memberships rolls ( which is number of people baptized, as has come out with all the phony baptisms the LDS church did) we know that number is HIGHLY inflated and what little they do give tends to go to members only.
@haydenhodges34
11 ай бұрын
Great video. He was really mistaken when he assumed the majority of the Mormon church's money goes to help people, though.
@ajcbodygenius
9 ай бұрын
Yeah I looked it up and it might only be like 3% (1 billion out of 32 billion?... But a google search isn't always reliable).
@vermontmike9800
Жыл бұрын
Wait…where does the tithing go? How does it help poor people?
@garys.2291
Жыл бұрын
It doesn't even go to the members, it goes straight to the top which then gets funneled into real estate and other investment portfolios.
@vermontmike9800
Жыл бұрын
@@garys.2291 ok, this was my understanding as well
@DannyAGray
Жыл бұрын
The LDS church has the largest humanitarian efforts and homeless and addict outreach programs in the world. That's where it goes. To say it goes to the top leaders is absolute bullshit. The very top leaders get an annual support (salary, if you will) of $120k, which is a drastic decrease in income from their lifelong professions.
@DannyAGray
Жыл бұрын
@@garys.2291 yes, they funded that mask and now have no association with it. That's not really scandalous. Also, the funds the church holds has trustees just like any investment fund. None of the leadership personally owns land beyond their personal homes. You're making mountains out of molehills.
@garys.2291
Жыл бұрын
@@vermontmike9800 They spent $1 Billion on a shopping mall in Salt Lake City.
@Forestgump12able
4 жыл бұрын
I understand the Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were authorized, recognized prophets in the old testament. Is this right?
@Decision_Justice
6 ай бұрын
No
@skyblue9991
6 жыл бұрын
Short answer... Yes.
@sophie-vb5uz
5 жыл бұрын
James you’re either very dumb or you just don’t know the definition of a cult.
@tamasalavea7629
4 жыл бұрын
@Will iam hello there brother, i am a mormon, and what u jus stated was so dumb and incorrect. I'll just say this short and simple, by saying... of all the things we believe in, we make it crystal clear that we believe Jesus Christ and our Heavenly Father are 2 different beings.🤦🏿♂️
@tamasalavea7629
4 жыл бұрын
@Will iam seriously, did u not read what i just said, i said Jesus Christ is NOT OUR GOD, WE believe that God is our Heavenly father, our Mormon God head has 3 entities we believe to be Jesus Christ, Heavenly Father and the Holy Ghost. Who we believe opperate under the same authority over our church.😂🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️ algudz if u still wanna make misunderstandings.
@Kirs..
Жыл бұрын
I don’t understand why people always bring up polygamy when it comes to my church. I’m a young teen, so I may just not understand the significance of that to non-members yet, but I can guarantee that there is so many other things that can be spoken about our church, yet are rarely spoken about.
@kenziek6707
Жыл бұрын
Because it was one of the foundations the church was built on. Look at D&C section 132 its still in there. I admit though, there is far worse stuff like the Bishops talking to little 8-11 year old children behind closed door about sex going into Extreme detail at times. Yea they now ALLOW parents int he room, but, since bishops control Temple recommends not a single parent I knew while I was in would dare question a bishop and the bishop wouldn't let them. Its why sexual abuse in children is so common in the church. Yea, now Bishops are getting arrested but the same abuse was going on for decades with nothing ever being said. Last year the guy who did the music for the LDS website, the LDS assistant Attorney General for the State of Utah, a Bishop who was a Mayor, a elders quorum president, a bunch of bishops, another LDS attorney a LDS primary Teacher and a bunch of others all got arrested for child sex crimes on top of the fact the LDS church had to pay out 250 MILLION dollars (which is more than it gives in charity) for Boy and Girls scouts sexual abuse stuff.
@theeight-roadwanderer6286
8 ай бұрын
Because most of the doctrine the church is based on nowadays were actually created to justify Joseph Smith's infidelity. Sealings, for example, was created to justify him marrying and having sex with other men's wives. It was exclusively about sex. Joseph never sealed himself to his children or to his parents, and Emma was the 23rd wife he was sealed to
@Decision_Justice
6 ай бұрын
Because Joseph Smith coerced a 14-year-old girl into "marrying" him. He got in to her body by falsely promising her that if she married him it would automatically ensure the exaltation of all her father's household and all of her kin. So she acquiesced. Later she wrote that she did not understand the physical component of marriage would be required of her upon marrying him. She did not even know there was such a thing. But it was too late for her. There was another girl who was 14, possibly 15. And there was a 16-year-old orphan girl he also seduced. Many of the girls he took as "wives" were underage or were orphans (some worth quite a lot of money) whose inheritances he squandered. And Joseph Smith forced already married women to become his wives. He forced these women to be shared between himself and their legal husbands. Wikipedia lists some of the women, but there are many more. Joseph Smith had around 46 to 48 women as his wives all at one time and it was against the law. Non-mormons will bring up polygamy because it is very clearly not of God. So the fact that men who claim to speak for God, and who start up churches or religions, will usually be sleeping with many of the women among his followers, even if they are already legally married, is a good sign (a Big RED FLAG) that that particular man is just scamming everyone.
@cpatch-nh5cs
2 жыл бұрын
6:00 the linking mormonism and the irs to scientology and the irs was deep.
@alorikkoln
2 жыл бұрын
I converted to the LDS Church a couple of years ago. It was one of the best choices I have ever made. Through the Church I met some of the most decent people ever. I dont drink any alcohol or smoke, have become very disciplined in everything. I have become more compassionate towards others. Thanks to God and the LDS Church. A perfect church!!!
@Milkish
2 жыл бұрын
Whoops, he’s been brainwashed boys-
@Hello-wb9ib
2 жыл бұрын
@@Milkish How do you have so little likes🤣
@Luiz-pf2mh
Жыл бұрын
Damnnnnnnnnn cult be going crazy
@Decision_Justice
6 ай бұрын
Apostle J Reuben Clark said: "If we have the truth, no harm can come from investigation." Please read the CES Letter and discover what you need to know...
@nickhowyy
3 жыл бұрын
Jon Krakaeur is such a good writer. I’m nearly finished “Under The Banner of Heaven”. It’s so fascinatingly unbelievable. Check it out if your looking for a read over the holidays.
@stevedriscoll2539
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, an excellent writer. A profound experience: a deep look into the dynamics and origins of this religion, and, for me, made me more aware of my fallibility and vulnerability to (what I would consider, highly implausible narratives of reality)
Colorado city is on the border of Arizona and Utah.
@kenziek6707
Жыл бұрын
And whats interesting that is FLDS but LDS Mormons in the Arizona Legislature stood in the way to having the Colorado city Police Department disbanded. Probably because everything warren Jeffs did Joseph Smith did. I hear it is better there now, but I still wonder why any non Mormon would live there.
@tyronesmith9678
Жыл бұрын
@@kenziek6707 Yea its like there was a show called "leaving polygamy" about 3 abused girls helping others to escape FLDS. The lds church says they are against polygamy yet the LDS church lobbied and bullied those girls to get the show taken off the air.
@jonnysupreme
2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if everytime Joe says "I have a friend" it's the same guy no matter what the subject is 😃
@cearnold
3 жыл бұрын
growing up there was a mormon church on both sides of my neighborhood and 4 more just down the road. it wasnt til I moved out of town that I realized just how weird the religion really is
@mountaindew3201
3 жыл бұрын
I don’t blame you for leaving. Not I’m against religious affiliations but, Mormonism has been proven to be 100% false as well as Scientology. If you’re still a Mormon in 2021, you’re obviously stupid.
@henryjlambert
2 жыл бұрын
Spanish fork? Provo? Springville?
@xander-mk4ck
Жыл бұрын
It is really weird
@nathanhunt2946
6 жыл бұрын
As a person who was born and raised in Utah mormons are nice and polite but EXTREMELY judgmental. They are good people if you like awkwardly friendly white families with too many children that they can't control.
@domenicksdesigns6417
6 жыл бұрын
On the East coast, or in the eastern states, a good chunk, NOT ALL, but a good chunk of them are way more relaxed, they're referred to as "Jack Mormons."
@daudl5011
6 жыл бұрын
Where i came from all the mormons there were huge polynesians who loved rugby, food, and weightlifting. A lot of em were more relaxed about their religion tho, cuz they drank caffeine, had polynesian tattoos, etc.
@DrNES73
6 жыл бұрын
Nathan Hunt Kind of judgemental to blanketly say all Mormons are extremely judgemental. People aren't perfect, and judging others is not a value of the faith but a vice to be overcome. That being said, there are enclaves of Mormons in Utah and in other places, like Mesa, AZ, where they can be like that.
@DrNES73
6 жыл бұрын
Andrew Roberts "Jack Mormons" are non-practicing Mormons who were born into the church and culture but left as adults. They oftentimes maintain many of the cultural elements and family values but do not go to church and engage in many of the vices of the world, like drinking and smoking.
@DrNES73
6 жыл бұрын
Dima Sorochynski A lot of Mormons drink caffeinated beverages, and it isn't specifically prohibited. Some personally believe that it is prohibited and thus do not drink caffeinated sodas or limit intake for only medicinal purposes like relieving nausia. Coffee and black tea are prohibited as part of the dietary commandment known as "The Word of Wisdom." While not specifically prohibited, it is recommended to not over consume other caffeinated beverages, like colas, to the point of addiction. Regarding Polynesians and Polynesian tattoos, there is an allowance made for people to follow their own cultures and cultural norms within reason since the purpose isn't meant to rebel against society. Another example is Native American Mormon men who keep their hair long in accordance with their culture and traditions while also holding the priesthood and performing priesthood ordinances as members in good standing.
@morganberry8822
5 жыл бұрын
I'm a mormon feel free to AMA
@Decision_Justice
6 ай бұрын
Have you read the book "In Sacred Loneliness" ?
@smmalafa1
2 жыл бұрын
My wife was bullied by Mormons growing up in utah, they are horrible people.
@sussybaka4276
2 жыл бұрын
Generalizing
@jeffs4483
2 жыл бұрын
Their cult makes them nuts.
@ChronicallyTT
6 жыл бұрын
I agree on how they are so sweet, warm, and loving....unless you are gay/prochoice/atheist etc. Then they get on their high-horse and seek. to condemn...
@gooz0mbie
5 жыл бұрын
That’s not true though
@tamasalavea7629
4 жыл бұрын
Do u realize how dumb u sound telling lies about the church.
@mr.teezee
4 жыл бұрын
Grew up Mormon, i don’t care if you’re gay, atheist, a drug addict etc. I’ll care about you regardless.
@FreakinSweet86
4 жыл бұрын
@@mr.teezee You might not care and plenty other faithful members may be equally as tolerant of gays, atheists etc but the LDS church itself condemns homosexuality. If gay members wish to avoid excommunication,l they cannot form any kind of relationship like their straight counterparts, they cannot participate in activities within the temple and must remain celibate for the rest of their life. But y'know, you treat them as equals so that makes the church's actions OK. They pumped huge amounts of money and man hours into Prop 8 years ago, made a huge push against the equal marriage being legalised and even as of right now they are fighting to keep conversion therapy legal. Do you support this? Will you justify this? If the answer is no, resign, take the moral high ground and leave. To stay is to be complicit not only in the hatred of LGBT, but in everything the church has ever done that they have attempted to cover up or ignore.
@platii3176
4 жыл бұрын
Sort of Christian I know lots of mormons from school and think they’re dumb for thinking the shit they do but i’ve never met one that gets on their high horse and condemns... and I live in north texas
@conchitacasiano3623
4 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine, C. T. , doesn't believe in the facts about Mormonism. Her dad was a bishop of their Mormon church, so when she was still living with her family in Utah, she was obligated to go to church and take part in the activities. Now, she lives in California, and does NOT attend any Mormon church. She is a very good hearted and intelligent person, and said that she is much happier living in California. More power to her.
@MichaelCrocker0707
2 жыл бұрын
Why is it that the only criticism most people can provide on this subject is the fact that this church-much like plenty of other people at the time-practiced polygamy at one point? After almost 200 years since its founding, polygamy has been considered an excommunicable offense for well over half of the church’s actual existence.
@daveconrad6562
3 жыл бұрын
Its 2020 (2021?) and i want to become a mormom, life is crazy!!!!
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