Many people say that this is the moment when Joel Webbon clearly lost the debate against Leighton Flowers. It's as if he had never seen this verse or thought about its implications before - a clear statement that faith PRECEDES and CAUSES regeneration, outright contradicting the Calvinist systematic where regeneration must precede faith (e.g. the corpselike dead Lazarus being brought to life before he can respond to Jesus' words).
And yes, that is his full response before they move on to the next question.
...having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. - Colossians 2:12
Snippet is the first question of the cross examination session, from 83:00 until 85:55 of the full debate: • Does Regeneration Prec...
Overall Joel Webbon gave a good, well rehearsed opener. His rebuttal wasn't as capable however, and the cross examination was worse. He doesn't seem well versed or familiar with many of the Provisionist arguments (which are readily available in text and video from Soteriology 101).
See also similar case of brain-jam:
WWUTT's Gabriel Hughes Stumped on Get Life to Get Christ To Get Life - • WWUTT's Gabriel Hughes...
Calvinist Can't Admit 'In Christ' in John 15 - • Calvinist Can't Admit ...
"Now" - Theodore Zachariades checkmates himself - • "Now" - Theodore Zacha...
For many more passages stating that faith precedes regeneration: soteriology101...
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