Just a Reminder Again: I am not advocating for or against mental help. I am advocating you ask questions should you happen to seek professional help. I am certainly and always advocating seeking the Lord First and Faithfully. I am not stating Mental Illness is real or not. I am stating that ultimate Mental healing is of the Lord
@DonovanLockington-mr2cf
3 ай бұрын
Corey has no clue on how the global elites through the pharmaceutical companies are pushing antidepressants . I have been diagnosed with ocd and social anxiety disorders . Been to secretariat and psychologists and been given medications for over 20 years and it made me worst . Once I stop listening to these Dr and taking the medications I got much much better.
@GinaFarrell-pp8uh
3 ай бұрын
I know for a fact some mental illness medicine can cause psychoses, even in patients that never had psychoses before & even given in very low doses. The best thiing to do is get Christian counseling, prayer, exercise, eat well & take alternatives such as nutrients, amino-acids & possibly homeopathic meds. The meds you get from drs can cause serious side effects.
@WilliamSmith-if3nb
3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much brother powerful teaching
@keason754
3 ай бұрын
Thanks SO MUCH for sharing this.
@joelfriesen9285
3 ай бұрын
See that’s the problem is that we look at mental illness as just from a biblical perspective and don’t put out that is their a chemical imbalance, that this stuff is real, yes God can heal and does, as someone with bipolar I believe that however that being said, mental illness is very real and outside of seeking the Lords strength which you should do it is very important to get help and meds, which has helped me a lot and realize that when I’m depressed or manic it has nothing to do with I am choosing that, that’s not a choice
@Durandalski
3 ай бұрын
I gotta be honest, to hear someone who is supposed to be intelligent and compassionate say there is no such thing as ptsd is incredible and infuriating. I’ve been shot, shot people, faced death numerous times and seen horrors no human should see. I’m a faithful believer, but Ptsd nearly destroyed my life and nearly cost me my marriage and job. It took professional help for me to begin to process my experiences and return to some semblance of normalcy. Thousands of my brothers battle ptsd, it’s not made up, it’s just damage to the brain caused by extreme experiences. If you argued that these mental illnesses are over-diagnosed, that psychiatrists overprescribe medication, I would agree. But to make such a bold statement that these mental illnesses aren’t real is insane.
@davidtaulbee5310
2 ай бұрын
I am so sorry for what you have gone through. When we violate God's law, there are consequences when god says thou-shalt-not kill it has real ramifications, but thanks be to the Lord, there is one who is able to restore and renew your mind. That doesn't mean that the battle is not real. The battle is very real, and so is our faith. And our hope in Jesus Christ. Seek Him and his healing.
@ReigningWomban
2 ай бұрын
@@davidtaulbee5310war is not a violation of God’s law!
@manestage5403
2 ай бұрын
@@davidtaulbee5310 Wow. There are way too many scriptures that show that God is not a pacifist who is against war than for you to just drop that erroneous statement to a war veteran so casually, and go about your business...
@user-pw5ug5ih9g
2 ай бұрын
Sorry but the actual translation is thou shall not commit murder. In the Old Testament God for various reason had people killed. Have you ever read Psalm 144:1-2? “Blessed is the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle…”! When Satan and his armies tried to overthrow God and heaven there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels versus Satan and his. Satan and 1/3 rd of the angels of heaven fell. Read about Armeggedon? The Day of the Lord? War is horrible. Sadly sometimes necessary. It is hard enough to go through without someone saying you have sinned by serving your country. War is of Satan. But sometimes necessary. Some soldiers sin during war. But unbelievable numbers of them are killing themselves over what they have been through. Reading MacArthur and some other people here makes me wonder if they even know what grace is!
@GospelOnTheStreet
2 ай бұрын
@@ReigningWomban no it's not. God commanded the Israelites to go to war. There is nothing wrong with war when done so for either a righteous purpose or even to simply execute God's judgement. The scriptures describes the LORD as a warrior when it says, "The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name." Ex 15:3 KJV. sorry @reigningwomban. I actually meant this for @davidtaulbee5310
@emmanuelmartey863
3 ай бұрын
I have a family member with schizophrenia, a few more with bi-polar disorder and these conditions are real. I have also heard a pastor say that people who suffer from mental illness are possessed. So, are we to believe this as well? This is a very dangerous road. Some may listen and stop taking much needed medication. I will agree that we are over medicating people and not holding people accountable. But, this is not always the case. ❤
@JohnJohn-nh2rl
3 ай бұрын
Gut microbial imbalance and schizophreniaSchizophrenia patients exhibit abnormal lipid and glucose metabolism, with less abundant SCFA-releasing bacteria in the intestinal microbiome and an increased abundance of oral cavity-related and anaerobic bacteria as compared to disease-free individuals
@newtonmutea
2 ай бұрын
Mental illnesses are always spiritual attacks,when your soul is attacked you can't use conventional medicine to cure your soul which is not flesh and blood. Only a higher Spirit can heal your soul and that's where the Holy Spirit comes in for deliverance.The spiritual door that was opened for attack to happen must be closed.This calls for spiritual maturity
@newtonmutea
2 ай бұрын
Mental illnesses are always spiritual attacks. When your soul is attacked and sick,you can’t use conventional medicine to heal your soul for it is not flesh and blood. You need a higher Spirit to heal your soul and thats where the Holy Spirit comes in to carry out deliverance. The spiritual door that was opened for the attack to happen must be closed. This calls for spiritual maturity. Spiritual doors are opened in various ways for example through new age practices,witchcraft,trauma,grief esp when prolonged,molestation,ouija boards,habitual sin like pornography or masturbation among others. This can also follow a blood line if the door was opened by parents or forefathers. This is recognized by several suicides in a particular family. This requires spiritual discernment. Many people after intense spiritual warfare in prayer and fasting have had their spiritual eyes opened to see whats is oppressing them. They are demons/unclean spirits. You can take conventional medicine your entire life and that will never help. There is power in the name that is above all names,the name JESUS
@lizh1988
2 ай бұрын
I think the imbalance of chemicals in the brain is due to mental or physical trauma. But Jesus said the man born blind due neither to his own sin or his parents but he was blind to show the glory of God. It is a major miracle to be healed of blindness you've had from birth, and probably a lot of people have believed this and sought help from God, the Bible or the church when they might not have.
@vaniahollis1610
2 ай бұрын
Matt 4;23-25 and yes they are Possessed…It’s in Gods Words about this❤
@cemowilliams
3 ай бұрын
Took mental health meds for months and they literally made me crazy. Stopped taking them, was saved by Gods grace and I am free of medication and my diagnosis. They tried to do the same to my kids but I declined the meds for them and since getting into scriptures with my kids and having thought provoking discussions everyone is great. GOD is GOOD and Jesus is THE HEALER!
@newtonmutea
2 ай бұрын
Mental illnesses are always spiritual attacks. When your soul is attacked and sick,you can’t use conventional medicine to heal your soul for it is not flesh and blood. You need a higher Spirit to heal your soul and thats where the Holy Spirit comes in to carry out deliverance. The spiritual door that was opened for the attack to happen must be closed. This calls for spiritual maturity. Spiritual doors are opened in various ways for example through new age practices,witchcraft,trauma,grief esp when prolonged,molestation,ouija boards,habitual sin like pornography or masturbation among others. This can also follow a blood line if the door was opened by parents or forefathers. This is recognized by several suicides in a particular family. This requires spiritual discernment. Many people after intense spiritual warfare in prayer and fasting have had their spiritual eyes opened to see whats is oppressing them. They are demons/unclean spirits. You can take conventional medicine your entire life and that will never help. There is power in the name that is above all names,the name JESUS
@claragonzalez1631
2 ай бұрын
Great testimony. Isn't GOD powerful!
@JimiSurvivor
2 ай бұрын
Late in life, I developed Bipolar Disorder in which my moods would swing from intense ecstasy to depression without my mind focusing on anything in particular. As a Christian, it did not seem right that this should happen yet, despite what I believed, I OUGHT to experience, the intensity and frequency of these mood got worse and worse until I really thought it was possible that I might have to be hospitalized. When this started, I was against psychotropic medications. Christians, I thought, should overcome their excess emotions through prayer and the word. However, the mood swings I was experiencing could neither be controlled nor explained. As it happened, I was reading in Job 41:1 “Can you pull in Leviathan with a fishhook or tie down its tongue with a rope?" Leviathan was some sort of gigantic aquatic animal that seemed to represent some overwhelming force of (fallen) nature." God's intent in bringing it up was to show Job his weakness. It was an indication to me that there were some things too big for me to handle. I realized I would need assistance so I went to see, not my pastor, but a psychiatrist. With the help of medication I slowly regained control over my mood states. After some research, I discovered that Bipolar Disorder was not an phenomenon of modern science. It had been observed as early as the 2nd Century by the Greek physician Aretaeus of Cappadocia who noticed that certain patients vascillated between slowed down states ("depression") and ones that were speeded up ("mania"). In time, he recognized that both states were two phases of the same illness which he labelled Manic Depression. Areteias was an astute scientist who also discovered asthma and diabetes. MacArthur makes gross generalizations without being adequately informed. His self-assured misconceptions and platitudes have the potential of bringing great harm to many who have real mental illness.
@JimiSurvivor
2 ай бұрын
So because a mental health diagnosis and treatment with medications "made you crazy" therefore they are harmful to EVERYONE who takes them? This is not logical. Of course it is best to get the whole family in order than to treat only one member but how can this be construed to mean psychotropic medications do not help ANYONE but ONLY bring harm. When I first took antidepressants they made me ecstatic like the effect of being on cocaine. It turned out that people with Bipolar cannot take SSRIs for that very reason. However, when I went on anti-Epileptics my brain calmed down and became normal. Many times people are prescribed medications they do not need. It is often hard to find out what is wrong with them. Surely you are not saying NO ONE should take medicines. I have diabetes. Should I stop taking insulin because God is our healer. Interestingly I was healed overnight of Sensory Ataxia a neurological condition I acquired after an accident and which impaired me for ten years. Let me ask you this: if you or one of your children were bitten by a rabid dog would you refuse medicine but instead get into the scriptures and have "thought-provocking discussions" with them on the basis that God is your healer rather than medicine?
@Lionsmaneisdangerous
2 ай бұрын
@@claragonzalez1631 amen
@Healed2HealwithTiaJ
3 ай бұрын
14:17 I am a Christian licensed mental health provider who also lives with major depressive disorder. By the grace of God have healed from complex PTSD and anxiety. I suffered for years in silence because of judgement received from the body of Christ.
@Kelly_Silverman
3 ай бұрын
You mentioned suffering in silence for years; how did you eventually receive the help you needed?
@donpetty7584
3 ай бұрын
Yes, it's very sad how people that claim to be children of God shower judgement, rather than mercy, on the hurting. I've experienced something similar. Human beings are complex. I'm no where near perfect, either. But, this topic hits me, personally, so when I see something being said that I think is unfair, it angers me.
@Princeton_James
3 ай бұрын
I'm also a Christian mental health therapist. He went from talking about he dx and intertwined that with the abuse of medication. I also think all forms of meds are in most cases over prescribed, however PTSD is different from grief.
@Littleking1978
3 ай бұрын
If McArthur gets Dementia make sure all you cheerleaders play this for his family and tell them its all in his head. That would be cruel, right?
@JohnJohn-nh2rl
3 ай бұрын
@donpetty7584 just because the call those not equal they are Christians
@SonoftheKing316
3 ай бұрын
As someone, a believer, who deals with OCD and dealing with Scrupulosity, intrusive thoughts, constant unwanted thoughts and doubts hearing voices and seeing disturbing images and having mental breakdowns This kind of thinking and outlook as a whole saying it doesn't exist is why so many people dealing with mental illness whether its ocd, depression, axiety or all of the above suffer in silence. Me included. We cant say a peep bc of people like this. We're apprehensive to even go to a church counselor or leader/pastor bc theyre just gonna add it up to "lack of faith" "you need to read more scriptures" or "maybe youre not saved at all" and to the ocd sufferer this only fuels the flames and obsessions. It doesnt surprise me at all that he thinks this. Based on quite a few of his teachings ive heard he lowers God's standard of perfection to a bar not even he himself meets and re-defines what faith means, he trys to shift the focus of the believer off Jesus and on to themselves. When we focus on ourselves we only see how short we fall and when we focus on Christ we see the perfection of His finished work and what was already done for us and now imputed onto us. That we are Justified by Faith through His redemption. It also doesnt suprise me bc a member of his church, Kenneth Nally with severe depression committed suicide back in the early 80's or so. He was listening to his sermons on audio tape and had nothing but condemnation and bondage placed on his shoulders. Johns church counselors advised him not to seek help outside of the church nor did they notify the guys parents of him wanting to attempt suicide. After he passed, John dug his heels in and blamed the guy for his own depression. And based on this it seems he still hasnt changed outlook on it. Our brains are organs and are subjected to the fall just as the rest of the body. I pray McAurhur repents of his ways of thinking not just about mental stuff but alot of his doctrine as well. People who read this and suffer from mental illness of any kind. God Understands better than any doctor or anyone else on earth. Who better to understand the mind than the One Who made it from scratch. When all else fails you can take it to the Bank He wont fail you. Jesus laid down His Life for the mentally strong and the mentally weak. You were not excluded from the cross. When He was on the cross you were on His mind. Jesus Christ knows the worst about you and yet is the One Who Loves you the Most. Go to Him, run to Him.
@Lessiebelle
3 ай бұрын
Do you listen to Mark DeJesus? He’s the best!
@SonoftheKing316
3 ай бұрын
@@Lessiebelle I do, he is a blessing. Mark is someone who just really understands.
@Lessiebelle
3 ай бұрын
@@SonoftheKing316 AMEN!! I couldn’t agree more!! After I read your comment, I just knew you listen to Mark! 😃He’s been such a huge blessing to me and my husband as well when it comes to Scrupulosity, toxic shame, guilt, ocd, and so many other struggles that we in the body of Christ battle with! I pray that the Lord will lead others to his teaching so that they may experience freedom and blessings along their journey just as we are being blessed!🙏🏻 God bless you brother, I’m praying for you!
@faithrose4440
3 ай бұрын
❤❤❤❤thank you so much! I suffer from depression anxiety adhd and complex ptsd I don't take meds and I deal with people from church judge me it's really hard 😪 to get help when I was suffering domestic violence the church didn't help me I would of died if I stayed but Jesus Christ got my son and I out of it ! Jesus Christ never failed me never has never will
@Lessiebelle
3 ай бұрын
@@faithrose4440 🙏🏻❤️
@lindarichardson9230
3 ай бұрын
I’m experienced on this subject, I have chronic depression, suffered 35 years, anti depressants on and off over that period of time. Every time I’m on them I feel suicidal, numb, no feelings, I cannot function at all. I believed the doctors for years when I was told I had a lack of serotonin. It’s a big fat lie, I have done several years of research. I have been off meds for 2 years now, yes I still have bad days, but, I cope and never get below the line of attempting suicide. I am a Christian, and I know the Lord has brought me through many dark times. If it wasn’t for the Lord and my dependence on Him, I know I wouldn’t be here. I have lost family members to suicide, in all cases they got worse on medication, it even says one of the side affects are you will feel suicidal. I feel no support from my Christian community, we as Christians need to talk about this and support each other better, pray for each other, talk through the Bible and lead each other to scripture that helps us.
@enigmathegrayman2953
3 ай бұрын
John McArthur has really slowed down since the pandemic or over the last 4 or 5 years.
@DonovanLockington-mr2cf
3 ай бұрын
Bro I have experienced the exact same thing . I took medications for over 20 years which made me worst. Once I stop the medications I became much better ,but I to still have my struggles . But those medications made me worst ,they never helped at all.
@ejay3835
3 ай бұрын
The struggle of depression and anxiety is def real. Keep up the good fight. Everyone’s body and chemicals are different. I really believe some people have it harder than others. I can totally attest to that when it comes to anxious thoughts. Keep trusting and focusing the Lord. Just imagine..this is only temporary compared to eternity 🙏💝
@lindarichardson9230
3 ай бұрын
@@ejay3835 Amen, yes that’s my focus, I cannot wait to go home 🙏
@lindarichardson9230
3 ай бұрын
@@DonovanLockington-mr2cf I will keep you in my prayers, keep the faith, I try to keep my mind on this world is not my home, when the Lord takes me this will all be over, what a blessed day that will be 🙏
@jessicamason9934
3 ай бұрын
I am a practicing Christian medical doctor who prescribes mental health meds. I would love to discuss this topic sometime. There was truth but also confusion about this topic. Ephesians 5 says every battle is spiritual. We are also born into an imperfect sinful world where sickness is present. There is a distinction between sickness and spiritual warfare. Nevertheless, God is still able to do all things and cure people of mental as well as mental health issues. Mess are a blessing but for the right person and with the right guidance and counseling. My profession does this poorly and typically tries to "fix" people with meds and it's not the true "fix". Meds are not the enemy either. Would love to talk about this some time.
@jessicamason9934
3 ай бұрын
Mistake: ephesians 6
@eyeswideshut2800
2 ай бұрын
I concur and raise you the actual scripture of Matthew 4:24 - And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.
@pearl0818
2 ай бұрын
Great perspective
@matthewalston1226
2 ай бұрын
Mess?
@matthewalston1226
2 ай бұрын
Are you in Big Pharmas pocket?
@workingwithpaul
3 ай бұрын
As someone who is bi-polar and went into psychosis almost killing someone (I do not remember the incident at all) and been to the hospital twice to prevent suicide I have to disagree with John.
@andrewlelei8388
3 ай бұрын
Overdiagnosis is what makes it seem like its all not real. Most people diagnosed are not really sick and it deprives people who truly are from getting real help. GOD is the answer, I don't deny the disorder but I believe GOD can cure you I am not nearly as strong in my faith as most people here but I believe medicine has its place in this fight but GOD is the answer.
@Healed2HealwithTiaJ
3 ай бұрын
I’m in agreement with you. I live with major depression disorder and was suicidal at one point in my life. By the grace of God I embraced my mental health treatment and now I’m a thriving licensed therapist who helps other Christians heal their mental illness .
@c.f.6005
3 ай бұрын
Hi, thank you for sharing your experience @paulv433. If you are open to sharing and I hope you are as I suspect it can help others too. Can you share what preceded the manic episode? Were you on medication at the time? Were you taking medication consistently and at the same time everyday? Were you experiencing or had recently in the past few years experienced extreme life stress or new changes in life before this incident happened?
@workingwithpaul
3 ай бұрын
@@c.f.6005 I don't remember at all what sparked it. I wasn't diagnosed as bi-polar until after my psychotic event. I personally think that I was taking too much Keppra and went into "Keppra Rage". I haven't been into psychosis since I significantly lowered may keppra dosage). I was put on lamotrigine which is a mood stabilizer. It's an anti-convulsant so it helps control my seizures as well.
@heavyfreak
2 ай бұрын
@@workingwithpaul I´m bipolar too. Haven´t been in the hospital for a year, last time was April 2023 because of insomnia caused by hypomania. Before that I was in the hospital 13 times in 2 years. Luckily these meds help. I have a mood stabilizer too.
@jtv_70
3 ай бұрын
Due to my Bipolar, I turned to God 1st, then medication. Ive had a complete 180 in life. I thank God for his forgiveness, mercy, grace and the wisdom to know I needed help.
@Corinthians6
3 ай бұрын
As someone that was diagnosed with schizo bipolar disorder. Over the course of 3-4 years there were multiple significant episodes of mania and psychosis that resulted in multiple voluntary and involuntary hospitalizations lasting between 1-3 months each. After this there was my final episode where I committed a violent crime and property damage that resulted in a much more significant hospitalization and penalty. I think if someone is in a dangerous state then the use of an antipsychotic for example; an emergency injection, can be used to sedate or stabilize the patient to resolve a violent episode, or state where you could be a danger to yourself via self harm or inability to take care of your basic biological needs. I believe that can be justified. Once the patient is stable I believe that licensed medical therapy, faith based counseling, relying on God, etc… can all be crucial things to help. But this idea that you can just be resigned to a life of being on the medication is ridiculous and imo sinful. The logic used to justify this is simply no different than people that say they smoke weed every single day because they feel down, or use it whenever something gets difficult, or sex and porn to cope with stress. No different than shooting up heroin or fentanyl to stay in a mind-state that the user or others have deemed “ideal/acceptable” (of course these medications are not identical and some of these substances have horrifyingly stronger side effects and potential for abuse/death compared to some mental health meds… but regardless, the logic is the exact same. Say With my schizo-bipolar disorder. What medication can someone justify being used for a continuous / long term preventative maintenance dose? Typical antipsychotics? No look at the pharmacology of how those “work” in your brain to address the symptoms of your diagnosis. It is the same with atypical antipsychotics, and the same with antidepressants, as well as mood stabilizers like anti-convulsants. The way these drugs interact with neurotransmitter receptors in your brain is relatively well understood for all of them. Whether it is dopamine, serotonin, GABA, norepinephrine/adrenergic, etc… Inhibiting, releasing, blocking, sedating… it reaches a point where you are just dependent on these medications. Or accepting them as happy pills, calm pills, or “make me feel normal pills”. Some of these chemicals in your brain have functions they are supposed to be involved in that are inhibited or artificially affected regardless of the need for you at any given time. This can easily allow you to get by or cope with things inappropriately without addressing root causes of problems. One can more easily put managing their sleep, diet, exercise, social life, spiritual life/faith, on the back-burner; essentially forever. That is what these medication regiments for years / lifetime facilitates. You are not appropriately keeping a clean and sober mind at that point. After all this and multiple years without incident, symptoms, drugs, or prescribed medication I was only able to get the position I wanted for work due to a change to my diagnosis that said it was substance related. Which was not really true.
@jernisharichard5032
3 ай бұрын
Sometimes we need help, but some sound doctrine can help as well. Sometimes we've gone so long we need medication. Sometimes it really is just learning the word of God to better our life that has sin leading us.
@jernisharichard5032
3 ай бұрын
Sometimes we need help, but some sound doctrine can help as well. Sometimes we've gone so long we need medication. Sometimes it really is just learning the word of God to better our life that has sin leading us.
@jernisharichard5032
3 ай бұрын
Sometimes we need help, but some sound doctrine can help as well. Sometimes we've gone so long we need medication. Sometimes it really is just learning the word of God to better our life that has sin leading us.
@JimiSurvivor
2 ай бұрын
@@jernisharichard5032 Saying that ALL mental illness does not exists does not help anyone because it is FALSE.
@akadwriter
3 ай бұрын
You don't tell people with cancer to just pray and believe God. It's no different with brain sicknesses and illnesses. Medication is sometimes needed. The brain is affected by sin just as much as every other part of the body!!
@BrownSugarBaby1992
3 ай бұрын
But there are extensive test done as a cancer survivor. When I was diagnosed they did every test to before treating it. They will not even treat you until test are done. He did say it wasn’t real, but where is the test to diagnose you with mental illness. I received test for cancer what’s the difference in mental illness. You are not listening. Where is the test? That’s the point, you missed it.
@akadwriter
3 ай бұрын
@BrownSugarBaby1992 There are blood tests that show low levels of serotonin and other very important brain balance hormones. Secondly, brain scans show anomalies for people with brain injuries (think football players suffering from cte). Just because some dismiss it, doesn't make it less real. And as believers, why would we think sin can't affect the brain LIKE EVERY OTHER part of the body??!! That's just plain ignorant thinking.
@a_man_with_some_plans
3 ай бұрын
But there is a test for cancer...
@akadwriter
3 ай бұрын
@a_man_with_some_plans What's your point? There are tests for mental issues like blood tests and brain scans.
@a_man_with_some_plans
3 ай бұрын
@@akadwriter "There is no single test that can confirm a mental illness, and a diagnosis is made by a mental health professional after a thorough evaluation. A diagnosis is based on a professional's observations and conversations with a patient about their thoughts, feelings, behaviors, and mood. A patient may also be asked to fill out a questionnaire." "But certain blood tests can show if a physical condition, such as thyroid disease or an electrolyte imbalance, is causing mental health symptoms." There's a difference.
@tyronedawson8553
3 ай бұрын
Actually, I watched a psychologist say the same thing this morning. I dont know how true or untrue it is, but there seems to be some evidence for this idea that most mental illnesses are self-inflicted in some ways. I think the devil likes the idea of us reframing sin as disorders in some cases and us reframing faulty beliefs as disorders in others.
@nerychristian
3 ай бұрын
There are illnesses that are caused by disease. Example, dementia, Alzheimer's, stroke, brain injury from drug use
@muppetonmeds
3 ай бұрын
Yes, I believe sin leads to insanity. Sane people don't kill people or when they are forced to do it such as wars it leads to PTSD a mental condition. Also, sane people don't destroy themselves with drugs or smoking and sane people don't live in a fantasy world by telling lies all the time. sin=INSANITY.
@anesiathomas6076
3 ай бұрын
BOOMMMMMM!!! REFRAMING "SIN" AS A "DISORDER"! YOU SAID IT, THAT'S IT!!!!👏👏👏
@Dnell-tb1yd
3 ай бұрын
@@muppetonmedsDo sane people destroy themselves by not getting enough exercise? Not maintaining a balanced diet?
@donpetty7584
3 ай бұрын
I think the devil just showed up in your text, tyrone. Do you have any idea of what people with depression or anxiety suffer on a daily basis? Do you know what likely got them started down this road to begin with, mainly some type of abuse? Do you understand that? The devil likes to kick you when you're down and that's what you've just done.
@ShellWells-tf6dz
3 ай бұрын
This is another reason why social media can be dangerous. People that have platforms, discuss topics that they have no expertise in whatsoever. Talking out of both sides of the mouth and then the end indirectly promoting people not to seek a professional and medication.
@strivingswithinpureo-ocdre7172
2 ай бұрын
This!
@memibrowne1945
2 ай бұрын
AGREED!!!
@frankgutierrez8958
2 ай бұрын
100%
@damaris7687
3 ай бұрын
By saying what he's saying, McArthur dismisses the pain of so many in the church. I suffered so much once that I nearly left the church all together because of all the indifference in the church towards this topic. My pain was real. People are suffering.
@eyeswideshut2800
2 ай бұрын
Yes Ma'am you are right which is why no man need teach us and we study to be approved. It's by God's grace that we are saved and we have proof in the Holy Spirit. Many are called but few go in and I would personally not make money teaching the Word. I also do not judge because who knows the mind of the Lord so we edify, rebuke and judge the spirit if it is from God.
@eyeswideshut2800
2 ай бұрын
Here's what the Gospel says about illnesses, I don't care what they say, just men. Matthew 4:24 - And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.
@I-AM-BELIEVER
2 ай бұрын
@@eyeswideshut2800So here’s the question was he healing believers or unbelievers?
@melodysledgister2468
2 ай бұрын
After hearing both these men through, I think you are not hearing what they are saying. They are not denying that people are suffering. They are not saying that medical help isn’t necessary sometimes. They are saying that people are being misdiagnosed and given things that don’t help and can even make the problem worse! Sometimes it is just being kicked down the road. We are uncomfortable with people with “issues.” There is rarely a pill or therapy that will cure mental or spiritual suffering. Jesus is the answer, and WE are the cure! God calls us to come along side the suffering and walk with them. This can work wonders-I’ve seen and experienced it. Sometimes judiciously used medication is appropriate too, but it almost never cures the problem, and can even compound it.
@I-AM-BELIEVER
2 ай бұрын
@@melodysledgister2468 Amen
@Healed2HealwithTiaJ
3 ай бұрын
54:04 I personally did disagree for years until I was so depressed that I couldn’t lift my head off the pillow while loving the Lord with my whole heart. I served him faithfully and had no other reason to feel the way I was feeling. It was then that I accepted my diagnosis and began mental health treatment.
@bearngiftsplus9524
3 ай бұрын
May l ask, what caused your depression because it doesn't just appear out of nowhere. I pray all is well with you. 🙏🏾
@robertmacmoneagle6917
3 ай бұрын
God bless you Tia. Someone with common sense.
@elizabethrobinson3574
3 ай бұрын
My husband was Scyptophrenic and so is his son. I don’t think people who have not lived with someone with that mental illness should not make a statement like that.
@Hg2235r
3 ай бұрын
Hello, I’m so sorry for your experience. I’d like to believe that People’s comments are out of ignorance and not maliciousness. Many families are blessed by the Lord to not have a child born with conditions, like schizophrenia, disability, or other conditions that are impacted by genetics. They make these statements based on their knowledge of TV, music, and the more publicized versions of these things. That’s why my belief in the Lord is not based on any one Preacher or on any man’s research (although those things have been extremely helpful in my understanding of the word). It’s based on the word of the Lord and grace through faith. As long as you pray for your son and your husband, and they truly are regenerate, it does not matter what anyone says about their mental health. God knows and that’s what matters.
@donpetty7584
3 ай бұрын
I agree with you elizabeth. There are legitimate mental illnesses and schizophrenia is one. It can be inherited. So can bi-polar disorder. There have been studies on bi-polar. I'm not that familiar with schizophrenia but I suspect the same with it. I think MacArthur is a novice when it comes to dealing with mental illness. He's pretty cold and heartless, showing no mercy, IMO. Let me rephrase. He holds an opinion which I don't agree with. He holds a number of opinions and some doctrine that I don't agree with.
@ricksonora6656
3 ай бұрын
@@donpetty7584 I don’t know whether MacArthur is heartless. I do know that it’s unfair to say that someone is heartless just because he favors a different way to overcome bad behaviors.
@ricksonora6656
3 ай бұрын
Your logic is the same as that of people who say you have no right to an opinion on abortion unless you can have babies. The reverse is true. Experience ruins objectivity by creating a conflict of interest. By the way, my mother was institutionalized for schizophrenia. I got off easy with mere lifelong depression.
@JohnJohn-nh2rl
3 ай бұрын
Lated medical research: Gut microbial imbalance and schizophreniaSchizophrenia patients exhibit abnormal lipid and glucose metabolism, with less abundant SCFA-releasing bacteria in the intestinal microbiome and an increased abundance of oral cavity-related and anaerobic bacteria as compared to disease-free individuals
@shelbysittig1047
3 ай бұрын
First and foremost, we need to be reminded that psychology is the study of self. Second we need to be reminded that psychology is based on observations of the clinician, the patient’s family, and the patient’s own words. After that there is a physical done along with bloodwork to see if there is any other issues that could be causing the issues. Such as an under active thyroid or something else happening in the body. I’ve had depression and been on medication for it. We did bloodwork and found it was my under active thyroid often causing the depression. We got my hormones balanced out and I got better.
@cierrahp9702
3 ай бұрын
And you can actually balance your hormones naturally through herbs, but they wont tell you that.
@deltadenice2842
3 ай бұрын
Hello, my Bro and Sis. I’m going to try to make this short, but what is being said can be true to all illnesses, physical or mental; and I hope that no person goes to any type of physician and believe he or she is the person that cures them. God grant all healing whether through a miracle healing or the talent He grants to another-a medical provider. Let’s not loose sight. As far as medical testing, it’s difficult to address on this forum. But it is true, there are too many diagnoses in MH & many of them could be categorized into the same group or left out “by my personal opinion”. And note, Not all practitioners are created equally. There are testing that has been developed over the years, which are mostly qualitative (subjective, PHQ-9), which are based upon research finding for short. In dx and treatment, A Medical illness should be ruled out 1st or Then, a psychiatric illness should be considered. Typically referrals for mental illnesses were made by medical providers, but due to laws based on human rights, patients are allowed to see who they wish without referrals. Remember, psychiatry is a specialist. Now quantitative testing (objective) are PTSD-brain scans such MEG scan, Alzheimer dementia -brain scan (you work in collaboration with a neurologist); substance disorder (ETOH-urine test, if you consistently positive and have DUI, you have a problem & there are associated treatment options). Other Drug disorder… test for the drug in the system via blood test. If you have high levels and it’s a consistent pattern based on findings, then you can have an opioid do, for example, and there are treatment options.Just as someone who overdose, there are drugs to reverse the effect. Also, there’s new testing called gene-sight that is used along side of qualitative testing to help manage psychotropic illness. There are also test to measure the enzymes in the body but these are not necessary used for diagnosing. But can help you rule things out or monitor drug levels, like 5-HT (serotonin test). A Good provider should have knowledge of these types of testing. The DSM is the leading diagnostic manual. And, gathering all data to analyze it, helping to make a logical diagnosis. This is why they go to school for a numerous amount of years to get the training to have these conversation with their patients. Keep in mind, insurance company has a big input and they’re not just going to pay for testing when it has proven by research per se that these qualitative testing are useful. BTW: the video you played is older😊 and a physiologist (PhD) has a different schooling than a MD or NP. A psychologist conduct therapy not prescribe drugs. However, both are valuable. If you receive a diagnose on the first visit, it’s not best practice. And prescribing meds without offering therapy is not best practice. Treatment should be catered to the individual. There is no testing for pain but you feel it. There are ppl who have phantom pain- no testing. It’s not as simple as you guys are discussing on this forum. You should really discuss this issue with your medical provider and if that medical provider can not have this discussion with you, you should seek another just as any other medical docs. If you wish to know what your drug compose of synthetic or a natural byproduct, have this discussion with your pharmacist. This is y they are there. Google is helpful, but certainly, it is not the best expert😉. note:Mental providers with prescriptive authority do not only treat schizo, PTSd, depression and anxiety. And, there are errors and misdiagnosis in medicine all together- 3:08 You wonder, how can a wrong limb get cut off or a patient receives the wrong medicine, unfortunately, it happens to the best of use. We are human. Human error. Not excusable but they happen. Lastly, We should put all our trust in God, not just for Mental Illnesses- but seek him for all things-physical ailments, mental ailments and just our daily walk. No matter what healing is received, it is not man made. The true healing comes from God. I hope all discipline, no matter what the role is, allow the Holy Spirit to guide and lead them. Hope this shed some light. May God bless you all.
@dennisconner5919
3 ай бұрын
I’m now a pastor of 52 years, I would think I’m well versed. My parents. had three children they raised each of this the same, but I had a older sister who had what is called anorexia an eating disorder back in the 60s. They did not understand it as well as today, but my sister ended up in a mental institution for a little over a year, there was fighting in our home for eight years. They tried psychiatrist she was sent to UCLA medical Center and my mother was a Christian and brought her up in a good Christian church with Sunday school with love and affection. My father was not a Christian, but he still was a good father to say that there was nothing wrong with her mentally Mr. McArthur would be totally out of his lane. She eventually came out of the mentalist institution when she was allowed to come home to church on Sunday and an evangelist prayed for her. This wasn’t the first time that she had been prayed for in those past nine years. But God definitely did a work in her. She is I’m going to say 98% better. The Bible says comfort the feeble minded and one can Sherry pick other scriptures but I definitely do believe there are people that of the fall man we see through a glass darkly in many areas, it’s not as black and white as John McArthur would like to make it.
@dennisconner5919
3 ай бұрын
Anorexia. An eating disorder as I wrote earlier I know is a real illness. There may not be a chemical test one can take to prove they have an eating disorder but I watched my sister go from 168 pounds down to 75 and almost starve herself, and remember the great singer, the female singer, who was very popular died from that disease.
@christistruth705
3 ай бұрын
@@dennisconner5919 Linda Carpenter? Beautiful voice.
@cathy3546
3 ай бұрын
What do homosexuals have to do with my PTSD?! Don't tell me that my mental illness isn't real. If John MacArthur had a broken leg, is it a real injury. I am not a homeless drug addict because I have PTSD. Rev. MacArthur has lost any credibility by making these statements.
@newtonmutea
2 ай бұрын
Mental illnesses are always spiritual attacks. When your soul is attacked and sick,you can’t use conventional medicine to heal your soul for it is not flesh and blood. You need a higher Spirit to heal your soul and thats where the Holy Spirit comes in to carry out deliverance. The spiritual door that was opened for the attack to happen must be closed. This calls for spiritual maturity. Spiritual doors are opened in various ways for example through new age practices,witchcraft,trauma,grief esp when prolonged,molestation,ouija boards,habitual sin like pornography or masturbation among others. This can also follow a blood line if the door was opened by parents or forefathers. This is recognized by several suicides in a particular family. This requires spiritual discernment. Many people after intense spiritual warfare in prayer and fasting have had their spiritual eyes opened to see whats is oppressing them. They are demons/unclean spirits. You can take conventional medicine your entire life and that will never help. There is power in the name that is above all names,the name JESUS
@joelfriesen9285
3 ай бұрын
Wow! As someone living with bipolar disorder this is very tough to hear! Yes I trust in the Lord and yes He helps me through dark times but chemical imbalance is what it really is and not some product of sin or anything, it’s very real and a lot of people are quiet about it because of the stigma. I wish people had more understanding
@BeereasonAble
3 ай бұрын
💯. We live in a fallen world, babies are born deformed, with severe disabilities. Older people get dementia... cancer etc. What makes anyone think that the brain, that controls your body is immune from real illness. Thats nonsense.
@ivanasimic2072
3 ай бұрын
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@a_man_with_some_plans
3 ай бұрын
Much love, but there is no such thing as a chemical imbalance. It's something undiscovered, but it's not that.
@joelfriesen9285
3 ай бұрын
@@a_man_with_some_plans talk about someone here that is uneducated and has no clue about mental illness, it’s been proven that chemical imbalance is a real thing
@Scorpaz19
3 ай бұрын
I agree with you. God made medicines, so there is no sin in taking them. I’m sure this person wouldn’t tell a cancer patient to forego treatment and that the cancer is fake.
@luopumckay127
3 ай бұрын
I have a child dealing with mental illness and it saddens me to hear him say that…
@adamweisshaup
3 ай бұрын
Feeling sad by peoples words doesn't make supposed mental illness a biological reality.
@ivanasimic2072
3 ай бұрын
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@KeyKeyJournals
3 ай бұрын
@@adamweisshaup are you consistent and also believe all illnesses and disease are not real?
@tyronedawson8553
3 ай бұрын
@KeyKeyJournals that wouldn't be consistent since most illnesses and diseases have a biological basis for the diagnosis. This is not the case with many mental illness diseases. It can't be seen in either the blood or the brain. It is determined by the behavior of the person and their own self-reported subjective emotional experience. All of which are heavily influenced by both external and internal factors.
@adamweisshaup
3 ай бұрын
@@KeyKeyJournals Are you seriously asking me if externally verifiable diseases that manifest, physically, micro and macroscopically are to be put in the imagination box with "mental health" disorders? Try harder.
@billsmith2815
3 ай бұрын
I had two sisters diagnosed with bipolar disorder. They were twins and both needed their medication to keep a sound mind. One of them died in 2010. The other still needs medication to function. Every time she has went off her medication its been devastating consequences. We have not been able to pray this away. It’s real. Possession is also real but not in believers. And not all cases is necessarily demonic. This is a stigma in Christendom.
@celinamilian
2 ай бұрын
All these things are caused by anger. All she has to do is forgive her mother. That simple and God will remove that evil spirit.
@JimiSurvivor
2 ай бұрын
The stigma comes from men who live in airy realms of theological theory like MacArthur
@JimiSurvivor
2 ай бұрын
@@celinamilian Where does the Bible say ALL things are not caused by anger. ALL things are not caused by any one thing, If they did we would not need wisdom or discernment.
@madelynhernandez7453
2 ай бұрын
You are wrong, they are demonic in the very root of them. Comi g off medication is horrific. It causes severe withdrawls and just hell. I know because I and hundreds of others are living through it. Im sorry you lost one sister. The suffering its inmesurable.
@madelynhernandez7453
2 ай бұрын
There is opression
@matthewmusgrave6673
3 ай бұрын
Maybe PTSD is different from losing a child, but when I lost a child I didn't want anyone to try to encourage me or give me scriptures, I just wanted them to be there with me to grieve. I don't know if it's worse to have a depressed person or a "everything works together for good" person while in the midst of grief.
@juliemayes2027
3 ай бұрын
So sorry for your loss and no you needed people to walk with you Scripture is true but time and place and His Wisdom to share it xxxxx
@jayonnaj18
3 ай бұрын
As a born-again new creature IN Christ for 45 years now, and speaking for myself, I firmly agree with John MacArthur! I am an elderly widow, and when my husband died several years ago, I was devastated! But thanks to focusing on my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and His Holy word, I was able to forge ahead, knowing my late sweetie is in Heaven and I will see him again! I think it's all about BIG PHARMA $ myself! John MacArthur may not be a psychiatrist, true, but even psychiatrist can't help himself or herself! We need Jesus Christ in MY view!!!
@juliemayes2027
3 ай бұрын
@@jayonnaj18 if course we next Him amen to that but he should keep his opinions to himself it’s utterly dangerous what he said mental illness is real and requires medication sometimes it can save lives
@His-Story.ForHisGlory
3 ай бұрын
I'm sorry to have read that you lost a child. You do however realize that you proved Corey's point right? You willingly separated yourself from God's written promises and truths of His love during your grief. Corey and J. MacArthur's point is that the solution to our grief is God Himself, since we are still in fallen flesh we can run away from the solution to our grief(God) and replace Him with something else (a pill). It's the equivalent to drinking to mask grief, but pills are "less dangerous ". The point that is made is easier said than done when we go through grief ourselves, but the point is true. That's why it's offensive. Edit: also not trying to assume you took pills btw
@shirleycarpenter3682
3 ай бұрын
I know what you are talking about i lost my husband. In june. My heart. Is broken i am with you. Didn’t 2:44 want hear. Scripture didnt want people laying hands on me praying. Just let me grieve.
@RechurchedTV_10
3 ай бұрын
Man this was brilliant. I was so down and out but I was convicted of my sin of just not being thankful to the Lord. He reminded me of His presence through HIS WORD and good ole hymns…and man He turned my whole mentality around. Thank you Lord!
@KepiGal
3 ай бұрын
I pray for your sake it is a problem with sin and not a mental disorder.
@biblejournalingwithjudi
3 ай бұрын
I know this! There are people with mental illnesses! I have struggled with depression since I was 7 years old. I’m now 63. Between the ages of 15 and 37 I attempted suicide 5 times. I was diagnosed with Clinical Depression. Something was wrong with me. I am a follower of Christ and I get so sick of people telling those of us with depression to give it to Jesus!Have faith! Study the Bible…just trust God!!!!! That’s so cruel. Would you tell your loved one that has cancer to pray more,study more, trust more, there’s nothing wrong with you that laying it at the feet of Jesus won’t heal.
@KentuckyBrad
3 ай бұрын
Is that not what Christ told us? To lay our burdens and troubles at his feet?
@biblejournalingwithjudi
3 ай бұрын
@@KentuckyBrad Yes, He said cast all our cares on Him for He cares for us! It’s a sad commentary to say mental illness is a myth! People are just imagining it, it’s a faith problem. I’m confident Jesus doesn’t feel this way! Let’s tell everyone to stop taking all medication no matter what it’s for! All of it has long term side effects! I’m sure in biblical times there were no test for cancer, lupus, high blood pressure either. This was a very unbiblical and abusive video.
@bobtaylor170
2 ай бұрын
@@KentuckyBradto be consistent, you must never take medical treatment of any kind. The brain is a physical organ. It can get sick in all sorts of ways. They used to think epilepsy was demonic possession.
@bobtaylor170
2 ай бұрын
I urge you to read the books of the psychiatrist, Peter Kramer, M.D. He understands this. He knows that clinical depression is not the person's fault. I'm a pediatric traumatic brain injury survivor, almost killed at age seven in a mass murder. I'm now seventy - two. It was known at the time I was injured that I had a TBI. I didn't get MRIs made until twenty years ago. They show the undeniable injury. Yet my extended family has always refused to believe this. One of my cousins is a sociopath who has with great relish been assassinating my character for many years. He had a goal: to get me disinherited by an aged, widowed, childless aunt from the opposite side of the family. He himself married into a Top 1% family economically. My cousin succeeded in getting me disinherited. Thank God for my church. Without them and their financial help, I'd have had to kill myself. About my cousin: a few months after he succeeded with my aunt, he got caught in a political scandal which blew his cover as a godly man. Six years later, with no customers left, he had to close his business. Of course, he still has his father - in - law's millions. ( Isn't my cousin as despicable a man as you can imagine? ) He thinks he's succeeded in hurting me and that it won't come back to bite him. In October, he has a nasty surprise coming.
@joyedwards4575
2 ай бұрын
Yea, I'm sick of all the cynical people as well. Having mental issues is Not a choice. I've had depression since high school and I'm 64 years old. I'm a Christian so anyone that hasn't been in my shoes, Have No idea!!!!!!!!!!
@marriagebeyondthebreach
3 ай бұрын
YES. And that is why we need more Christians in mental health care. We not only engage in CBT and other treatment modalities, we also pray with and for our clients
@equipped.thepodcast8038
3 ай бұрын
I do agree with some parts of what John said. It is true, but to say PTSD is a lie and that it's only grief is not valid, and then he blames the parents solely for kids acting out, and if they parent better, then kids will be ok, which is not always the case. You can use God obviously and medicine when needed. Seems like you just defending John here.
@VincentPettiford-ut2ig
2 ай бұрын
I agree with you!! I work in mental health and yes parents do play apart but if these people not on meds they will try to kill everyone in sight!!!!
@strivingswithinpureo-ocdre7172
2 ай бұрын
Getting a diagnosis was an answer to my prayers. Knowing I wasn't alone in my experience of suffering was a relief. Then, implementing practical treatment strategies brought tremendous relief from intense suffering. Finally growing in my dependance and allegiance to God not, in spite of my disorder but because of it, has taught me the same lesson that Paul learned. "But He said to me, 'my grace is sufficient for you. My strength is made perfect in weakness." Thankful for the testimonials from some of God's servants who have also been afflicted as I have, Spurgeon, Bunyan, Luther & Cowper to name a few. Their fruit remains.
@williamdillard8330
3 ай бұрын
Corey you made good points. The most important you alluded to was that we don't lay our struggles at the feet God. John MacArthur upset people with a statement that is in conflict with reality. There are mental illnesses and PTSD is real. His explanation of PTSD was too simplistic. That is more than just grief. I have a very good friend who has it and he doesn't know. It took me a long time to figure it out. It can cause a person to repeatedly do a wrong thing.
@boxerbrown09
3 ай бұрын
Is dementia real? Cuz if it ain’t my mom is really talking to her grandpa who died 65 yrs ago
@pastorernestalbuquerque4770
3 ай бұрын
My mom suffered from a lot of mental health issues, initally we sought only christian deliverences etc. for many years. As thing's got worse, we sought medical scientific treatments, that's when she got better, but was advised to continue medication life-long. I believe the Lord was present in this healing. True story. God bless. I thank all those expert doctor's who administered the right medical treatment to get her out of a hopeless situation. I still recommend person suffering from these problems to try the same. God bless.
@robertmacmoneagle6917
3 ай бұрын
Glad to see that a pastor has common sense which doesn't seem very common at all. God bless
@Bella77260
3 ай бұрын
That’s the thing, we pray for people but God gave us doctors and the medical field. For too long we have condemned people suffering mental illness as lacking faith or claiming they are possessed. There are times where there are spiritual issues as a root cause but that is not the whole picture. Many people who love the Lord have suffered, beautiful men and women of God to say condemn them is quite frankly appalling and again it shows how badly the church has done in ministering to mental issues.
@shellianne5767
3 ай бұрын
I think some of us are missing the point. John M, Cory, Baucham etc, are not saying that a person is not going through pain, trauma, etc but there are clearly no tests to substantiate the diagnoses distributed, and then to prescribe medication for something that cannot be proven is scary.
@keason754
3 ай бұрын
Exactly 💯
@KO-sx9uy
3 ай бұрын
Wrong, schizophrenia and some other mental diseases can be seen on brain scans so they are factually wrong and spreading lies.
@KO-sx9uy
3 ай бұрын
Wrong, schizophrenia and some other mental diseases can be seen on brain scans. They are factually wrong and spreading lies - did you do any research or do you just believe them because they're white?
@KepiGal
3 ай бұрын
He's nowhere close to being an expert in the field and has no business discussing it.
@shellianne5767
3 ай бұрын
@kepigal I would dare say that most of us arr no experts in religion or politics, or even sports and music... that doesn't stop us from discussing those topics.
@taz70145
3 ай бұрын
I would not be caught dead or alive ever again listening to JMAC. I had ptsd for over 10 years I promise you it’s real
@feels.9304
3 ай бұрын
I'm sorry brother. Just hold on to the cross. It's easy for them to speak because they don't know what it's like. Just be grateful that we're redeemed by the blood of Christ. Not the opinions of the likes of JMAC
@taz70145
3 ай бұрын
@@feels.9304 Amen bro
@taz70145
3 ай бұрын
@@feels.9304 it’s sad bro honestly coming from a pastor to say it don’t exist that’s hurt full
@nancyritland9116
3 ай бұрын
my heart goes out to you i live with complex ptsd as a result of 33 years of cult abuse i used to blame myself and hate myself and wish to die every day, because i "could not change myself and i live with a miserable eating disorder" i have my good days, and i have my bad days.......................but i am kept by the power of God, and my faith in the Lord Jesus is the only reason i am alive today JM is making a complete fool of himself i have lost all respect for him i will never waste a minute ever listening to him again
@fantasybouthour6679
2 ай бұрын
I don’t care for him
@72586jejones
3 ай бұрын
Never once in my life did i feel depressed or suicidal, until i became pregnant. I has PPD depression with one child, and nursing extended it. As soon as i stopped nursing, i felt better less than a week later. He might be right on some front. People start loving their misery if they stay in it too long, but trust me, i didnt have Pre PD or Post PD on my bingo card for life. Hormones are very real and can do crazy things to your body and mind.
@TheGirlnurse
24 күн бұрын
Dealing with PP psychosis right now with my daughter who is a young mom & a Christian. So scary. To say what McCarthur is saying is so clueless
@Hakeem597
3 ай бұрын
I had depression and PTSD and anxiety. I did not take medication (Iraq veteran)....God delivered me through it.
@Healed2HealwithTiaJ
3 ай бұрын
22:25 Psychiatrist and psychologists aren’t the only ones who can diagnose. There are LCSW-C, LCPC, LMFT, etc. who also diagnose mental illness. This is a great conversation that needs to be had.
@valentinamorales2403
3 ай бұрын
My kids Godfather at 18 was diagnosed with schizophrenia he cut him heard Voices.. someone gave him the Word of God he was actually delivered Praise the Lord now he served God and give his testimony that the gospel help him 🙏🏽
@dgilroy26
3 ай бұрын
The church needs to embrace counseling and not attack it. No matter what you call the disorder there are situations when you need a professional counselor. Yes medication is over prescribed but counseling can help people walk through their issues to find positive solutions.
@Charles-tv6oi
2 ай бұрын
So he says a head injury isn't mental ?
@gloriauselton9897
2 ай бұрын
Never, never never take your child to a councilor All or most are left wing nuts. I know from experience! I know one today a trans nut who is counseling children into changing their sex. The parents have NO idea that ITis a trans activist and what is going to happen to the children and the family unit when this evil nut gets ahold of they're child. Run from counseling!
@newtonmutea
2 ай бұрын
Mental illnesses are always spiritual attacks. When your soul is attacked and sick,you can’t use conventional medicine to heal your soul for it is not flesh and blood. You need a higher Spirit to heal your soul and thats where the Holy Spirit comes in to carry out deliverance. The spiritual door that was opened for the attack to happen must be closed. This calls for spiritual maturity. Spiritual doors are opened in various ways for example through new age practices,witchcraft,trauma,grief esp when prolonged,molestation,ouija boards,habitual sin like pornography or masturbation among others. This can also follow a blood line if the door was opened by parents or forefathers. This is recognized by several suicides in a particular family. This requires spiritual discernment. Many people after intense spiritual warfare in prayer and fasting have had their spiritual eyes opened to see whats is oppressing them. They are demons/unclean spirits. You can take conventional medicine your entire life and that will never help. There is power in the name that is above all names,the name JESUS
@tracy8293
2 ай бұрын
I Agree, got to get to The Root, and heal it...
@TOMA-mr9dy
3 ай бұрын
God bless you. I needed to hear this. I don’t know how I found your channel, but I am glad i did. “He may not deliver you from everything, because He might want you to be the example, for others that might be going through it. That might be what He wants”. These words washed away so much anxiety for me, for real. God bless you one more time.
@casta9172
3 ай бұрын
I was cured from depression, anxiousness, severe impulse and suicidal thoughts, homosexual thoughts,, Jesus removed all of these fears and mess, as soon as I was baptized with the Holy Spirit,, after a bad car accident I had ptsd and Jesus blocked those thoughts, all of my childhood trauma also disappeared, the loneliness feeling and abandonment issues from being adopted as a baby, are also gone 🙌🏻 Praise the Lord Jesus Christ Almighty God 🙌🏻 I am healed mentally and my heart is now complete in Christ
@faithrose4440
3 ай бұрын
Maybe I need to get baptized because I pray 🙏 without ceasing and I'm still suffering
@amandasallee2456
3 ай бұрын
I'm diagnosed with mental illness by several psychiatrists
@bellumromanum5306
3 ай бұрын
One final comment on the issue, Dr. Voddie Baucham also spoke biblically and eloquently on the issue, taking a similar stance to Bald-Brother Corey. For those interested the sermon is called: "Nebuchadnezzar Loses His Mind."
@CCD_106
3 ай бұрын
Whether mental illness is real or not is a legitimate debate, but what is NOT a debate for TRUE CHRISTIANS is that an unsound mind is NOT of God (2 Tim 1:7)!!! 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
@richardvoogd705
2 ай бұрын
That's one of my favourite verses. 😊
@bobtaylor170
2 ай бұрын
And that has nothing to do with the brain. Your idea is close to gnostic because it sloughs off the fact that our souls were designed to work within the structure of well functioning brains. I know a man who was a pastor until at age 29, he had a malignant brain tumor. He's probably had 35% of his brain removed. If that ever happens to you, or you have a major stroke, or you get a traumatic brain injury, you will learn the hard way that the condition of the physical brain and the condition of the mind don't have a lot to do with one another. I was almost murdered at age seven, and have a moderate to severe traumatic brain injury. I was never able to work or get married. But God in Jesus has made His home with me, as He promised He would. I know a man who is a Christian but whose life has been destroyed by schizoaffective disorder. I tend to think that people like him are in God's view akin to "the little ones" for whom God has a special concern.
@CCD_106
2 ай бұрын
@bobtaylor170 Sorry about you and those you know dealing with those challenges 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾, but you realize I'm siting scripture, right? So your disagreement is not at all with me...
@bobtaylor170
2 ай бұрын
@@CCD_106 Oh, for Heaven's sake!! You are not "siting ( sic ) Scripture" because you are misteaching it.
@JimiSurvivor
2 ай бұрын
No one was DESIGNED to be mentally ill. It is the product of the Fall, the personal imprint of the flawed creation in the brain. Disorders that are not caused ENDOGENOUSLY (by internal factors) are caused EXOGENOUSLY by the impact of circumstance. Many occur when the two converge. The way you seem to frame it that the "unsound mind" is the person's fault.
@tracylesatz1243
3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this video, brother. I learned so much. I appreciate you. Keep defending the faith.
@StandOnGuard4Thee
3 ай бұрын
To say that mental health and illnesses doesn't exist shows not only a severe understanding of the logical and lack of evidence and history in the field of medicine but as someone with borderline personality disorder I can say that mental illness has affected me my whole life after receiving trauma as a young kid which is carried over to my adulthood.
@bullybroadcast3474
3 ай бұрын
Please don’t take it the wrong way because words can bring out feelings that weren’t intended depending on how they are taken. So yes when you hear “it doesn’t exist” can sound empathetic but I don’t think that is the intention here. First ask what is he saying doesn’t exist? The word itself is what I think is the point. Not the feeling. So yes the feeling does exist but the label and word is where the lie of the devil steps in. The feeling people feel is there so what the issue and cure is is not the surface of the word it’s actually the core of the feeling. Meaning where does this feeling stem from is the question. If we stop at the word they label it and try and cure the word then it’s only a bandaid and it never cures all it does is stop the feeling temporarily. But long term the problem still exist. Now why would the devil want these words to exist is the next question? Well simple. If we think the cure is a drug and we are hopeless and depend on the drug then we miss 2 things. The core of the problem and the real cure. So the next question is what is the cure. Some will say go see a therapist or counselor and what do they do? First they try and find the core issue and where it stems from by asking about your past and then they help there or they will label it a word and prescribe you something 🤔 But what does Jesus say? The real problem is the devil and the lies he puts in our head. So yes the feeling is there from the fear and lies the devil put in our heads. But Jesus says don’t believe the lies and rest on him and he gives all the instruction to get cured. Believe and it will be done. Believe on who? Doesn’t Jesus also say he is our Counselor? So now ask where is the real problem? Is it a word or is it deeper? The Devil is the problem and the lies he feeds us to make us feel the way we feel. Anxiety Depression Etc. Jesus is the cure to everything. 🙏🏽
@BrownSugarBaby1992
3 ай бұрын
He didn’t say that! He said where are the test before pushing drugs that could damage you? I had cancer they will not touch you until there were tests done. You missed the whole message being emotional. He said they exist but where are the test? You are taking medication that has no testing that can hurt you. Listen?
@autumn4115
3 ай бұрын
Jonny Mac is old shame. If there is no mental health, he might as well say there is no such thing as physical health... if you have back pain, you actually don't have it, you just not working right, if you have flu, you don't actually have a virus, you just not looking after your health... like what?!?!?!?
@Hg2235r
3 ай бұрын
Hello, I’ve actually been thinking a lot about this as a Developmental Psychologist in training and have prayed and fasted regarding my profession because of its origins. I think my response would be too long if I were to be thorough so I will try to be brief! personally I believe Pastor McArthur is speaking passionately because he believes this is true. I don’t think it’s malicious or disingenuous. At the same time, I think people conflate awareness and prevalence. It is possible that there is increased prevalence because awareness of symptoms are increasing and so it’s easier to spot. Also, I think as prevalence increase, sensitivity to symptoms increase and over estimation of deficit (too much diagnosing) occurs. I agree that the field is taking it too far. My last point is mental health (MH) is a BROAD term: increase in diagnostic categories comes from the increased understanding of the brain. when people think MH they think depression, anxiety, ADHD etc. what about Parkinson’s? Alzheimer’s, psychosis triggered by a brain tumor, or intellectual disability, traumatic brain injuries, learning disorders, language disorders, developmental disabilities? Many of these things are not diagnosed with a blood test. But there are real life implications when the people with these disorders don’t get help. Dr. McArthurs comment was brash and irresponsible and part of the reason why when parents are told, “your child has a cognitive impairment and will need support in school and home” they disregard until the child turns 10 and still can’t talk. I’ve seen very sad stories. The origins of psychology are evil, over medicating is an issue, and I advocate for behavioral treatment before medication. The unholy diagnoses are overshadowing the positives. People need to do research before they accept any diagnosis from anyone, but before they do so, I wish they would take more time to understand how people are helped with this work. Okay sorry this was still long, thanks if you made it to the end lol ❤
@nerychristian
3 ай бұрын
I think mental illness can be caused by nutritional deficiency, or by damage caused by drugs, both legal and illegal. Anyone who has ever had to experience withdrawal symptoms, knows how bad it can get. When withdrawing from marijuana, I experienced panic attacks, anxiety, depression, nerve issues, heart issues, etc. It took me a couple years to get over that
@Hg2235r
3 ай бұрын
@@nerychristianHi! Absolutely, I agree. I had the worst experiences while training on an inpatient unit. The staff hated me because I wouldn’t not agree with the treatment plans that push dosage increases and brash diagnoses without enough evidence. The field has a lot of evil. I guess my point is Are you also speaking of diagnoses such as intellectual disability or a speech and language disorder? Can that be prayed away? Is it not possible, that was God’s choice to make them that way? What about foster or adoptive children who experience various abuses at the hands of the people God put charge of their care? Most of them bounce back but a lot of them don’t. A lot of them have nightmares of mom or dad molesting them, replays the murder of their mother in their mind because they don’t have the skills to cope at that age. When they don’t have parents or family to lead them to the gospel before they arrive to my office, I pray for Gods presence and support and help them how I can. Sin causes a lot of these things, just like how sin can lead to medical concerns. I lean more towards getting help from the Lord and share the gospel with my patients when I can, but by the time kids get to me it really will take God to intervene that second and take their heart (which he can do!) to cause true change and adherence to the gospel. Many of them scoff at me, which is okay too but it goes to show that even if they reject the gospel, they deserve help. God will deal with them, but when they’re with me, I will try to help how I can.
@nerychristian
3 ай бұрын
@@Hg2235r I agree, that a lot of times people are quickly diagnosed with some type if mental conditions, like ADHD or depression. Often times they are just suffering from something else, like poor diet, lack of exercise, and quality sleep. Or they are just experiencing grief, that given time, could probably heal on its own. I myself was given anxiety meds by a doctor to see if it would fix my insomnia. Those meds ended up causing me all kinds of nervous system issues, and now, 7 years later, I still don't feel normal.
@MinisterChrisisL7
3 ай бұрын
I am studying as well. I love your response. Do you have a KZitem? Would love to do a Christian Podcast/live & interview you.
@VincentPettiford-ut2ig
3 ай бұрын
One of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard!!!
@shellianne5767
3 ай бұрын
Baucham spoke about this as well. It was the first time I had heard something like this. His presentation was food for thought.
@Kelly_Silverman
3 ай бұрын
I watched that.... It's here on KZitem and it's really good. Definitely food for thought and really made me think! 💬
@sumbomarcus
3 ай бұрын
"1Have mercy on me, O God, according to your unfailing love; according to your great compassion blot out my transgressions. 2Wash away all my iniquity and cleanse me from my sin." (Psalm 51:1-2)
@bwogi2
3 ай бұрын
Rc Sproul once said that he was approached by a psychiatrist who told him that his patients didn't need a psychiatrist but they needed a priest. And there's a sermon by voddie about Nebuchadnezzar he concluded on the same thing.
@jessedevries77
3 ай бұрын
I’ve had Schizophrenia and am one of the lucky few that got better, by the grace of God. I believe this illness comes from demons. And I’ve seen many people who did not get better from it. In my opinion it’s because the devil keeps them in tried up in lies. We can stand firm in the Word of God. And Jesus says you will cast out demons in My Name. To anyone who needs break through, seek God! Jesus is the only way. God bless 🙏🏻✨
@eugenebroski
3 ай бұрын
It's not because "The devil keeps them tied up in lies". Let me give my testimony - I have been diagnosed with schizophrenia and I got better over time. I no longer hear voices but the doctor says that schizophrenia never goes away and that I need to take medication for the rest of my life. I tried to go off my meds but it does not work in the long run. It took me years to realize that the doctor is actually right! I had believed that God had healed me but years later, the voices/demons/devil/hallucinations returned! I believe it's because of an actual chemical inbalace or defect in the brain. I did not hallucinate because of "a lie from the devil" but because I had stopped taking my medication. I believe that it is God's will that I keep taking my medication! God created medication and medicine for a good reason.
@Ron-SA
3 ай бұрын
I cannot hit the like button more than I want too. This is so profound. I've never felt better since stopping my anxiety/depression medication. I decided that this was not me. I dealt with the issues that caused the anxiety and depression. And acknowledged that there were some things that were and are just out of my control. We want to play God and control everything. We want a reason for being overweight. We need a reason for feeling the way we do. But truly we need to confront our hurt fears wrongs offenses. What was done to us snd regret about the things we did to others. Forgive and practice forgiveness. Take responsibility for our actions. And understand that there will always be some sort of pressure and moments of stress. We need to deal with it. Do some purposeful CBT exercises. And cling to Christ. I have the Mind of Christ. I am not Anxious. I am not Depressed. Because He is not those things. I am at perfect peace. Because He is the prince of peace. Yes I do have emotions. Yes I get anxious. But I deal with it now. No more pills. No more medication. I feel so much better.
@margaretdexter3406
3 ай бұрын
I have found that many Christians have a problem with the concept of mental illness. Likewise those people in general who have never experienced mental health issues cannot empathise with those who have. As a Christian counsellor [retired] I can only describe the observable changes in those clients who sought professional help for their struggles in life as remarkable. Their mental struggles caused them great difficulties in life so much so that many were totally incapable of normal daily functions. How they COPE to survive is a big clue to diagnosis. Medication is one help to wellness as is talking to someone who cares. My eyes don't function the best so I wear glasses. I have a hearing loss so I wear hearing aids. Both my eyes and ears are part of my head as is my brain. Being a physical part of the body, it naturally follows that it is prone to malfunction also! Diagnosis is only possible from observing the affected person's behaviour, speech and mood, working with and alongside them. Phil 4 v 8 is a Scripture I applied to my clients and myself often.
@benjamingibbs8788
2 ай бұрын
Sir, the mind is not a physical organ. We’re talking about people’s thoughts and emotions. Drugs influence the physical composition of the body, the thoughts of people are immaterial, and are changed by ideas and information. Truth, wisdom, patience, compassion, humility, meekness, love, and all other internal qualities of a person and not redeemed by drugs. Counseling is only fruitful if it is true. Biblical. Blessed
@kevinlevon
3 ай бұрын
I was diagnosed but I still have a tight relationship with the Lord I have the same thing my mom Has so it’s just how God created me we should have respect for the mentally ill and not cast them down because just like God loves you he loves them to not any less or any more
@emmanuelmartey863
3 ай бұрын
Amen.
@thekhomaashprojectwithyuriluck
3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for having the courage to address these issues my brother.
@ejay3835
3 ай бұрын
MacArthur is a little ignorant on this. Just as ignorant when he says that a Christian can take the mark of the beast. Just as ignorant when he implies that God predestines people to hell…..
@kevinlevon
3 ай бұрын
I agree
@johnbeckerink8930
3 ай бұрын
Good points
@coachbrendan
3 ай бұрын
Well Said
@susannablanchard1770
3 ай бұрын
Does anyone know the source of this clip?
@karlinwilliamson9329
3 ай бұрын
He's a lot of ignorant on many matters. He called the Holy Spirit a light bulb and there is no revelation by the Holy Spirit today
@aprilcumberbatch2958
3 ай бұрын
Our mental health care system is not perfect, but to say there is no true mental illness is in my opinion quite reckless. I have seen too many people totally unravel after stopping their psychotropic medications. And mental healthcare is not only about taking drugs, people also have to take responsibility. Counseling along with medication is really the gold standard in treatment of mental illness.
@BrownSugarBaby1992
3 ай бұрын
He did say that it didn’t exist, but where are the test results? You missed the point.
@biblejournalingwithjudi
3 ай бұрын
Oh my gosh! I’m so glad Jesus is not like man!!!! This is the most insensitive and cruel video for the people who have mental illnesses! You saying mental illnesses don’t exist!!! It’s all a lie! We just don’t have enough faith!!!! May God have mercy on your souls. And I’ve never taken any medication for my depression! But there are those who do need it.
@Shofargirl1
2 ай бұрын
I am a Christian, and an older person, and I am getting over PTSD .because of abuse...(..through prayer. ) It is real! I believe GOD, so I chose not to medicate ....but sometime ago I did take some medication...but I got off the meds....I almost lost my mind. I am doing better now , Thank GOD.😮😊😫
@barbarasmith1110
2 ай бұрын
I tried over 10 yrs to tell my son and encourage him that he could overcome these issues until he decided as an adult to receive Abilify and he’s doing much better
@bibleprophecy4400
3 ай бұрын
I don’t think it’s non existent but I do think they over diagnose. Think of people that have been abused their entire life and they definitely have PTSD and are triggered. I have several in my family that have OCD, CPTSD but don’t take medication for it. God can help you with it. He gives you power and a sound mind, you just have to trust Him.
@MiniMaker68
3 ай бұрын
All of the "chemical" imbalances I have had done, , are actually called "Hormonal" imbalances, it is a REAL thing, I have been dealing with it all my life, In my early 20's, I was diagnosed with Thyroid imbalance also, also a Hormone.
@ifeifesi
3 ай бұрын
Thyroid disorders are not a mental illness but a physical problem that leads to physical symptoms.
@MiniMaker68
3 ай бұрын
@@ifeifesi I am very well aware of that, If you are a woman, with PMS, or Menopause, you would understand, It does Not make you a mental patient, but it , Hormonal issues, can make you feel like you are going mad, And Many women have been told they have Bi-Polar disorders, when it was Hormones.
@faithrose4440
3 ай бұрын
Also I have hormone imbalance as well I should get progesterone bit can't afford it right now maybe I meed to be baptized I will.ask the church for baptized me I'm telling you I've been praying for a long time and I believe 🙏 I van be healed in Jesus mighty name 🙏 ❤️ but I'm still sure it's been a very long time
@MiniMaker68
3 ай бұрын
@@faithrose4440 I am praying for you :) Listening to the Truth of Gods word, bring me such Peace, so when those "times" happen, I now have Truth to reflect on, and Knowing God is pushing us forward, in His Knowledge, is comforting! Jesus is truly the Foundation we need, Mentally as well as Spiritually :)
@faithrose4440
3 ай бұрын
@MiniMaker68 thank you 😊 your prayers are appreciated
@dixiehopper2803
2 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for doing this video! I had never heard of you, saw your intro video and saw people that I trusted on your channel, so I decided to watch... You did good! Thanks for bringing this to the light!
@yam153
3 ай бұрын
Brother 👏🙏👍💓 your best one yet! Thank you, thank you, thank you! Anointed! Well done defending our Savior, our wonderful almighty, merciful, all powerful, omniscient, God. He delivered me from addiction to alcohol, depression, confusion, heartbroken, abandoned, forgotten filthy sinner I was. I tried it all; AA, psychologists, counselors, new age, self- help, "my own strength". Doctor gave me a pill that took me to intensive care and that day The Lord Himself met me at that hospital bed in 2017. Now born again by His blood and His grace. 1 Corinthians 6:11
@ronaldcoley9982
3 ай бұрын
I think people aren’t handling it the same way because of technology. Technology while as great as it is, has reduced our social skills greatly.
@valentinus1967
3 ай бұрын
I'm puzzled, I've been in treatment for Bipolar and PTSD for 25 years! In Christ may there be help for me?
@humbertothebeliever2443
2 ай бұрын
It starts becoming dangerous when the pastor starts giving you medical advice.
@noelsanois9552
3 ай бұрын
Corey Minor Sir I have not gotten to the end of this video as yet, but THIS is the best I've heard from you in months. This was great on absolutely all levels May GOD bless,keep and cause you to continue Love always
@gasmith7486
3 ай бұрын
The medical professionals have to give these patients a diagnosis with a name and an insurance code in order to get PAID by these insurance companies!!!
@KO-sx9uy
3 ай бұрын
Proof?
@heletvanblerk4461
3 ай бұрын
Yes! Love of money. .....
@msmichelle2196
3 ай бұрын
Like Simon the Sorcerer, he was being paid.... pharmaceutical companies are a cash grab and has been for decades
@keason754
3 ай бұрын
It's definitely one real reason why I no longer work in mental health. It's true, it's also very difficult to accept. Look up the term "cognitive dissonance ". It will help you to understand why hearing this message is so upsetting...if you find yourself struggling.
@standinginthegap7118
Ай бұрын
I know people who have been diagnosed with ptsd, ocd, adhd and worked extensively with them and the one thing I noticed when I actually worked in clinic was that most under treatment use the diagnosis to justify acting out and terrorizing, manipulating others. When I refused to play their game anymore and insisted on proper behavior or they had to leave they immediately and instantaneously acted properly and normally. If they truly couldn’t control themselves they couldn’t do that. In contrast I have nephews that are autistic and they can not change their behavior regardless of any social cues. I have seen people in psychosis in a mental institution and they are completely out of their minds and can’t control themselves at that point and truly need to be medicated for the safety of themselves and others. I have suffered most of my adult life with horrible clinical depression and find that talking to pastors makes it much much worse. I also have close friends who have the afore mentioned conditions and I see them struggling and it’s heartbreaking. Emotional and mental conditions are very much real, but I think it’s like everything else some people use that condition as an excuse or to exploit others also. BTW there are numerous tests for disorders and things like autism, schizophrenia and other disorders can now be seen on cat scans. It’s just that most people aren’t given the proper scans because of costs
@christistruth705
2 ай бұрын
45:46 I’m a veteran and have a doc through the VA. She is absolutely fantastic! She actually cares about her patients. 48:16 That psychiatrist that said he simply makes a diagnosis based on an interview with the patient is exactly what alot of doctors do today. My daughter went to her doctor about ten years ago saying that she was suffering from depression. She listed off a few symptoms and instead of sending her to a psych doc, he prescribed her Prozac or whatever medication was popular then. It almost killed my daughter. Her heart was so affected after three weeks that she quit the drugs and “decided” she was no longer depressed. Social media is destroying this generation.
@amberwise
3 ай бұрын
Hi - I can only share my experience here..I had full blown psychosis from years of drug abuse, meth and cocaine to be transparent here. For years I had extreme paranoia and other psychological disorders. I did not take any prescription drugs. I can truly say, only after I came to Christ did all that go away..I am truly healed. I remember it very clearly, and I have been healed. Now, only the person who is experiencing mental illness knows what they are experiencing. Not all, but lots of doctors whip out the prescription pad at the slightest expression of symptoms. I do agree to a degree with JM, there seems to be a worldly inclination toward medicating folks. And the power of suggestion through media, etc is so strong, it has become the norm to thinking you need to be medicated. I have seen this in my un-saved teenage family members up to the adults in my family. They think a pill will cure all their disease.
@KepiGal
3 ай бұрын
You say you are not advocating for or against mental help. Let me tell you, I have had bipolar disorder and PTSD for over 40 years. When untreated I have tried to kill myself, other people, I have faced financial ruin and been unable to take care of myself. I underwent "deliverance" a couple of times. No change. Was it because I didn't have enough faith? NO. It was because people were trying to cast demons out of me when the problem was a physical illness. Yes, mental illness has physical origins! Just because it cannot be measured by a medical test does not mean there are not tests to diagnose it. Just as physical illnesses present with constellations of symptoms that point to a particular disease, so do mental illnesses. Neither you or John MacArthur are medical doctors. Again, you say you are not advocating for or against, but it sure seemed to me you were advocating against. Not all illnesses are visible. I am so ashamed and disappointed in you that I have unsubscribed from your channel.
@sapphirelane1714
3 ай бұрын
People forget the brain is a physical organ. These people speak from pure ignorance. They don’t understand the absolute pain these illnesses bring. They don’t carry the inflammation, nausea, motion sickness, disorientation we carry on a daily basis. They only see our low energy and our mood-swings and tell us to get over it. They don’t feel our optic nerves degenerating as we lose our eyesight from this stuff. God bless them, I guess. Praying for you, friend, thank God this world isn’t our home!
@patriciamichelson3532
3 ай бұрын
I would first like to say I’m so sorry you struggled and suffered so badly. I will pray for you. I know some of those same struggles. Please reconsider not watching any more of Cory’s podcasts. I think he was gracious. I don’t think he meant to hurt. I can’t necessarily say the same for John MacArthur. Yes, some mental conditions are real, and the people who are hurt by them suffer tremendously. The brain is an organ just like all the other organs in the body. Because you can’t test for mental disorders, it does make them hard to treat but it doesn’t give professionals the right to say they don’t exist. I do know one thing, God sees your pain, and He can use it for His glory. God can take the hurt in our life and turn it for good (Romans 8:28). Stay strong and fight the good fight of faith! 🙏🏻🙏🏻
@user-pw5ug5ih9g
2 ай бұрын
I suffer from what is known as Complex PTSD. It isn’t in the DSMV because it hasn’t been updated yet. Basically PTSD you may get from a handful of (or even one) horrible, traumatic event). Complex PTSD usually begins with severe abuse in childhood. Often from a figure (s) that is supposed to give you a feeling of love, trust, and security. But instead beginning early on an ongoing pattern of abuses physical, verbal, sexual, emotional, and so on. Often all of the above. If it begins when you are young and continues not only are you not taught what a loving, secure relationship is. The world becomes a frightening place where you are constantly on alert, because at any time you can be assaulted. When it’s those who assault you are your parents it is even more of a betrayal. Talk about not knowing what brain chemicals are not “normal” may be argued. But the fact that as a child growing up under near constant abuse your brain develops differently. With modern imaging it can actually be shown that you respond different to certain stressors different than a person who has not had your experiences. In fact the very structure of the brain develops differently than a person not subject to this type of trauma. Literally your brains structure has been changed by what happened. As far as chemically there are examples that are not nebulous. Everyone is born with the “fight or flight” (add freeze to that). It is a survival mechanism that is there to save our lives in a serious, even life threatening event. Well if you grow up in a dangerous environment in which you might be attacked at any time. Your fight or flight mode is “overactive”. It trips at things that wouldn’t set the reaction off in a person who has not grown up in a dangerous environment. This leads to adrenaline being dumped into your system along with other chemicals giving you extra strength to run or fight. The results of this are hyper awareness, stress, anxiety, and all sorts of things going on in your body. Besides the nightmares, flashbacks, intrusive thoughts, and other things that go on. There are changes in your biology. The stomach, bowel, blood pressure, heart rate are all effective. So it is measurable. Often you have trouble regulating your emotions properly. As far as how is C/PTSD diagnosed? When you have pneumonia you have trouble breathing, cough, spit up mucus and blood, run a fever that shows you have a condition that has come to be labeled pneumonia. C/PTSD have their own set of mental and physical symptoms. And many of them are measurable not just on some psychological scale. But bodily responses. It is not as John MacArthur would say “made up”. And the fact he has read one book that one person has written that supposedly validates his viewpoint is basically selective inattention of the majority of medical writings by medical experts on the subject. Put forth an idea no matter how radical someone will write a book in agreement with you. I am alive right now and have a meaningful life because of Christian Pychologist ( which MacArthur says he doesn’t believe in) and medical people. The medications and counseling have enabled me to overcome a lot of the negative programming I received from how I grew up. And the medications help me with the physical effects it has caused on my body. I am glad that John MacArthur grew up in a loving, supporting, Christian home. Not all of us had that experience. My father was Bipolar, my mom and two older brother schizophrenic. I was the only sane person and I was a child. And suffered horribly from them. Use your imagination and you can probably get some idea what I went through. Some things you probably can’t imagine. Good for you. Sadly I am in my sixties and although by most standards have a good life I still greatly affected by what happened. I have heard other Christians say they are sinning by having anxiety. That they are not trusting in God. Are you forgetting in the garden facing the Cross shortly their after Jesus was so anxious he sweat blood. A condition well known and documented as a result of severe stress. The small capillaries near the upper layers of the skin rupture from an acute stress reaction. Also he said “my spirit is vexed to the point of death”. Meaning he was depressed when the thought of what was coming. Some say that is a sin also. But a sinless God/Man had these things. So how can they be sin? Ultimately he did turn to the Father and say “not My Will but thine be done”. Then an angel was sent to strengthen Him. The Father did not condemn Him for His previous state. But helped Him through it. With God’s help I survived it. It says that Jesus “was a man of sorrows. Intimately acquainted with our sorrows”. That He became Man that He might know what it is to be a man. This is what makes Him a fit High Priest for us. He in human terms “didn’t just talk the talk, but walked the walk”. He says “come unto me all who are heavily laden and I will give you rest”. He gives my still troubled soul rest. But like every other believer until that time we are with Him will He “was away our tears and we will know sorrow no more”. We will have tears and know sorrow. Of course all these things as all disease and suffering are from the fall. But until “the Perfect has come” the Helper, the Holy Spirit is here to help us. Until then we must each take up our cross daily. Jesus was upset in the garden because those He brought with Him offered no help. And people that don’t understand what we suffer often turn from us. Or like John MacArthur tell us to “suck it up”. There is enough stigma and shame to this illness in the one suffering from it to begin with. And our fellow brother adds to it! And as far as medicines go Jesus made a healing balm for the blind man. Timothy was told to take wine for his stomach problems. And wasn’t Luke called the “beloved Physician”? So Christ and His followers wrote prescriptions for illness. And even one of the 12 was a doctor. Strange he was included among them. Don’t see Jesus telling the Beloved physician to stop being a physician. I don’t think MacArthur realizes the damage he has done to those that look up to him. Quite frankly his position is not one of love or compassion. We are told to pray for one another and bear each others burdens. And as to MacAthurs statement I can only give a Christ like answer. Father forgive him, for he knows not what he does.
@joeyrose1245
3 ай бұрын
Great video! Very informative and still plenty of Bible teaching. I love it!
@shondabethea6635
3 ай бұрын
I sent you a super chat for covering this topic. I came in late and didn’t get to finish my comment. I just so HAPPEN to be a nurse in Correctional Management Care and there are chemical imbalances in the brain that cause mental illness. If this is what you believe, then you have no such things as other illnesses. It is easier for active children to cope because they are, or at least more active when I was growing up. This helps with endorphins that help with happiness, stress, sadness etc. when someone is an adult and due to say for example physical disabilities and are unable to work out, or even take a walk, that keeps that chemical imbalanced. I have been a Correctional Managed Care Nurse for over 30 years. Mental illness is my passion because it is the most misunderstood and under treated illness there is. I include Jesus Christ in my plan of care, and with the help, if needed, from medication the person usually does well. If an inmate jumps from the Third tier, knowing he is going to hit a concrete floor AFTER hitting a steel table first, well then something is truly not right. I listen to John McAuthur faithfully, and YES that is a belief from some older in age Theologians. It is true, it is real, and there is medical/mental help. At this time there are no snake pit mental health institutions, especially in the prisons, and that is a blessing. We have a mental health program that is offered to our offenders, and it is helping. I give God ALL of the glory that truly have a calling to help people with these issues. Also, I have several family members military members/veterans…some have PTSD, some don’t. The ones that do have been deployed several times to Iraq, some have never been deployed. I myself had to have a psychological assessment prior to gastric bypass surgery. A psychiatrist had me take a 500 routine benign test that were regular questions. I was told to answer with the first thing that came to mind. After I finished. He analyzed, and he said, You aren’t very trusting are you?” HE WAS SPOT ON!!! Other than The Father, The Son(Christ almighty), and The Holy Spirit. I Trust NO one. Hope this helps ❤
@TeriG23-
3 ай бұрын
Amen! And God Bless You! 🙏🏼🩶🙏🏼🩶
@shondabethea6635
3 ай бұрын
@@TeriG23-❤
@kcalhoun0580
2 ай бұрын
My son at 3 was diagnosed with ADHD and took meds for a year. I happen to come across a Clinical psychologist and he posed the question “are you medicating your child into obedience?” And it was that question that made me really sit and think. And truthfully and sadly I was. My son lost so much weight while being on medication and the medication stopped him from being him who was created to be. Yes he’s still very very hyper and I think God have him an extra dose of testosterone😂 because he’s always on the go. He’s no longer on medication for ADHD and we’ve learned how to parent him for his particular needs with God’s grace and help. There is hope… and our great hope is Jesus Christ our Lord. ✝️🥰
@terayoung9699
3 ай бұрын
But you can also type in “schizophrenia, broken wings” and a documentary will come up about two therapists, who aren’t even Christian, who actually helped people heal from schizophrenia without medication. The main thing is helping people get to the root of what caused the mental illness in the first place.
@Standing.W.Israel
3 ай бұрын
PTSD is TOTALLY different than "just grief"..... it's where a traumatic event that has happened to you has lingering effects into your every day life that makes everything more difficult to deal with. I love MacArthur but he is just a man, a godly man, but still not perfect. Now, yes, a lot of kids are too quickly diagnosed and medicated, but as an adult who has a relationship with Christ yet still has those struggles, and avoided it for years becauae of the stigma in the church and the fight of the flesh. So IDK, I dont take meds anymore but I have had to give up a lot in exchange for it.
@faithrose4440
3 ай бұрын
Exactly 💯 accurate
@Charris3140
3 ай бұрын
I like JM. But I absolutely disagree with him on this. After I had my daughter (my 2nd child) my brain went nuts. I don’t know why the postpartum hormones broke my brain, but they did. I developed OCD and severe intrusive thoughts. To the point I was losing touch with reality. I was starting to lose the ability to tell which thoughts were reality and which were not. My daughter is nearly 12 and I’m still struggling with OCD. I am on medication now, which does help, but doesn’t take it completely away. I’m way more stable on meds. Anyone who has ever watched a mother go through postpartum depression, anxiety, OCD, or psychosis CANNOT say mental illness isn’t real. Just like any other part of the body, the brain can experience illness. To say otherwise is ignorant. - Signed an ER nurse
@tammymoore859
3 ай бұрын
Your commit actually made me cry. I’ve had postpartum too and it sure puts your hormones way out of whack. For years and years I didn’t know which end was up. Finally, after many years of struggle, the Lord healed me of the hormonal imbalance. I’m so so sorry this happened to you. May the Lord Jesus be with you and bless you ❤️
@jernisharichard5032
3 ай бұрын
Sorry you guys are going through this ir went through this. I think the word still helps because some things we do, see, listen to, experience, even our sin can lead to these things. We just have to get sound doctrine and read for understanding when we read the word of God. I experienced depression anxiety, unhealed SA, traum, i even felt i had BPD, but whem I turned to tbe word of God, and understood the spiritual side of things, it all made sense. I was delivered, it might take more time for some, medicine helped, i don't really need it anymore because i learned what was going on. I'm still being taught, and I think it's something to look into, it's worth looking deeper into. Kevin Ewing helped me understand this, while i follow everything he teaches he has some videos that opened my eyes. Look into it, ❤
@christinelambe2239
3 ай бұрын
This is by far one of the best videos I’ve seen. I completely agree with all the evidence and logic explained. More please!
@MarkThomas-mk5sl
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for confirming what I had already reflected on and resolved in myself regarding so called mental illness Corey. Shoutout from the uk 🇬🇧
@ekklesialifeapplicationbib7352
3 ай бұрын
Very interesting and thought provoking topic!🤔
@calico567
3 ай бұрын
The more I listen to John MacArthur, the less I agree with him.
@jasm760
2 ай бұрын
Same. It is time for him to retire.
@JimiSurvivor
2 ай бұрын
He is arrogant.
@onelagalela8595
3 ай бұрын
God bless you for covering this topic and treating it with the sensitivity and sensitivity that you have. I have had my own dealings with the psychiatric industry and my suspicions. Thank you for this. God bless you
@nerychristian
3 ай бұрын
There's different types of depression. People can recover from grief. It's much more difficult to recover from depression caused by drugs. That stuff messes with your brain chemistry
@Orthocurious
3 ай бұрын
Dr. Thomas Szasz was a product of his time, which is to say that his hypotheses are easy to dissect and dismiss with the knowledge we've gathered in the decades since he came up with them. That's my attempt to phrase my opinion of him...kindly. He believed that the mind was not part of the body, and that diseases could only affect the body - ergo, "there is no such thing as a disease of the mind." And yet neuroscience has advanced and we have been learning more about pathways that draw direct connections between the brain and "mental" illness. We can see consistently reduced volume of the hippocampus in patients with PTSD, for example. That alone disproves his entire thesis. I could go on, but his view was so simplistic that I don't think it warrants further serious debate. Any approach that attempts to place all mental illness conveniently into a single bucket with a unifying etiology is misguided at best and harmfully simplistic at worst. His hypotheses were generated in a time when he could predicate everything on the fact that "mental illness [could] not be identified on autopsy," so he tried to explain why. He thought it was because the "mental" wasn't ever physical in nature. The reality was that medicine simply lacked the tools to identify neuroanatomical and neurophysiological features of "mental" illness. We still understand the brain extremely poorly compared to every other organ, but we understand it well enough to lay views like Szasz's to rest. The more we learn about it, the more we learn about connections between specific neurological pathways and "mental" illness, and the further away we get from Szasz looking even remotely correct. You don't need to believe in his theories in order to find support for the human capacity for change. There is physical evidence for that, too. Neuroplasticity is the physical means by which we can rewire our brains. Successful treatment produces physical change in the brain. I mentioned hippocampal volume and PTSD - successful treatment increases that volume. We can actually measure and observe that. The brain is a remarkable organ. Therapy has a physical impact on it via neuroplasticity. We can always change. In fact, we always do. Therapy just helps us change in a positive direction instead of a negative one.
@TeriG23-
3 ай бұрын
Very insightful, thank you! And big Amen!
@ddismenow
3 ай бұрын
Truth is a hard pill for people to swallow I’ve struggled with depression for awhile never took medication because so many in my family struggle with alcohol and drug addiction so I do lean on Jesus that’s where my help comes from and I’m so thankful is it easy no life is hard we will have trials and tribulations but it’s so much harder without God. Turn from sin pray do bible study and Jesus will help you through all things 💯💯🙌🏾🙌🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
@Preciousaccordingto977
2 ай бұрын
I think he is exactly right! I have lived long enough to watch this awaken and become the normal thing to do. I have also been through extremely deep grief with the loss of my son! It is spiritual all of it!
@craig-sc1hq
3 ай бұрын
USA Today ran a week long Column in the 90's regarding the over medicating, over diagnoses of young children having A.D.H.D. . USA Today concluded in a study that most youth were suffering from the lack of having fundamental forms of disciplines, normally formed by culture. That the American culture had changed in such an extreme way that it effected how young children behaved. That families were spending more and more less with the things that caused more timed spent together, T.V. time, dinner time, etc...
@daniellestevens5824
2 ай бұрын
Over-diagnosis and over medication and the reality that mental illness exits- are 2 very different and separate topics.
@scottgiannotti5480
3 ай бұрын
He's telling the truth. When a person is in spiritual righteousness, all the "illness" goes away. GOD will FUSE the soul when the narrow path is found and followed
@KO-sx9uy
3 ай бұрын
Proof? Where are the studies? I know you're ignorant and didn't research anything.
@carlcunningham3078
3 ай бұрын
We live in a fallen world so we are subject to physical and mental illness and yes with both they can be self inflicted, but sometimes they are not. We can’t say when someone who gets sick physically and didn’t ask for that physical sickness as being different as someone who has a mental illness and didn’t ask for it. Just as the physical we bring it to the Lord but there may be a season just like in the physical where you may have to take medication. We can’t say the body is subject to sickness but the mind never can be is that also have to understand God has gracefully given man the ability to understand the human body so if someone has mental illness I feel you bring it the the Lord but I have nothing against seeking help.
@spectraamunari9059
2 ай бұрын
I’m wearing a shirt that says “set your eyes on things above”. Thank you sir for this teaching. Praise God and amen!
@youraveragewarden9774
2 ай бұрын
I believe the synopsis of all of this is to pray without seizing because we don't know the depths of what people go through believers and non believers. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
@Poplifekask4
3 ай бұрын
Paul Harvey’s 1965 If I were the Devil sound’s profound for this subject Satan has given us many options to go around God for true help in all our pain’s physical or mental struggles. Corey and John are trying to get us to trust what God has Promised !!!! Amen 🙏
@jokerace0
3 ай бұрын
You guys are talking only about psychiatry. You are fully missing the entire network of licensed therapists that do not prescribe medication but instead work with the client in a treatment plan that helps give the client skills to manage their thoughts and behaviors to improve their lives with different disorders. Also these are all disorders which are not diseases.
@smartchristians
3 ай бұрын
The point was not to deal with every field relating to mental health, just about psychiatry and the disorders than many are being diagnosed with
@jokerace0
3 ай бұрын
Sure, but it’s not put in context that this is only one sliver of the mental health field. It paints it like psychiatry is the only way people are diagnosed and treated. The questions asked are tricky too. Psychology by nature is not something that uses medical tests, it’s about how your thinking affects your actions and there’s no blood test for that. But there are standardized assessment tools and treatment plans and diagnostic standards that don’t include medication.
@bernardofernandezgarcia
2 ай бұрын
Appreciate you taking the time to post this! Great video brother!
@leatharay3565
3 ай бұрын
John MacCarthy also wanted a woman to stay in an abusive relationship.
@nowfaithis9799
3 ай бұрын
Quite frankly, this is a topic that you can find enough professionals on either side of the aisle to agree with you. That being said, for him to say mental illness does not exist is disingenuous, heartless, and cold. He's never been in the military or a police officer or firefighter to know about PTSD. There are athletes who have CTE, and what about those who develop Alzheimers? It sounds like his thoughts are old and antiquated b/c everything is not even diagnosed with medication like they used to be. People are given strategies to deal with a lot of these things b/c we understand more now than in the 80s or prior and have better strategies and tactics. He's off base here, I'm sorry. Disagree with him here.
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