watching this on a 30 min break at a web company rn
@tsessarsky
10 ай бұрын
"Good for you! You will become a better programmer very rapidly."
@illegalsmirf
8 ай бұрын
Lol no you won't
@slowtyper95
7 ай бұрын
let me guess, you also code in js? xD jk
@spaceowl5957
9 күн бұрын
There's still enough time to join Space X!
@Bard_Gaming
7 күн бұрын
He uploaded a video 2 months prior titled "Jonathan Blow clips to watch at 3 hour lunch break at a web company"
@sporefergieboy10
8 ай бұрын
“You’re a web developer. What are you a spider?”
@ManuCGDev
2 ай бұрын
>"Go work at spaceX" 💀💀💀
@CakeBossan
2 ай бұрын
he doesnt know 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@metalim
2 ай бұрын
@@CakeBossan he doesn't know what?
@CakeBossan
2 ай бұрын
@@metalim if you're getting hired at spacex you are almost definitely making webshit
@synthopia2
Ай бұрын
He says that as you could do it so easily lmao delulu
@Mallchad
29 күн бұрын
@@CakeBossanwhat web stuff? that company has barely any web technology in use
@READERSENPAII
2 ай бұрын
Best quote. "Just do the stuff you say you are going to do."
@nyantaro1
8 ай бұрын
The secret to finish stuff you do is to just do it. How did I never think about that before?
@lorenzozapaton4031
8 ай бұрын
"Things begin if you start them."
@kenneth_romero
8 ай бұрын
i know it seems simple. but most people have a defeatist mentality that if they are unable to do the whole thing today, they just won't do it. but the little wins everyday is what makes you get better. not the giant wins. the giant wins are just tests to see where you are.
@brianviktor8212
2 ай бұрын
I am working on a large project and doing basically what he said. I invest my money into myself, and take a risk, betting that what I do will earn me money. I have all the skills required to do it, it has the potential to make a lot of money, I just have to do it right. If my confidence into my competence is misplaced, well then screw me, because then I deserve loss.
@bananesalee7086
2 ай бұрын
you say that ironically (i assume), but companies have yet to understand that, or SCRUM would not exist
@dangallagher6176
9 ай бұрын
I got laid off this year and while reapplying for jobs I've had countless rejections. I've come to realise that I really am not that good, especially in the current competitive job market. I had the exact fake imposter syndrome he mentions. Amidst my large amounts of free time I'm now committed to learn everything properly, starting back from square 1 because I absolutely refuse to remain as an average dev.
@TrophyGuide101
9 ай бұрын
I'm in a similar boat, I never got fired but I keep jumping ship every year because eventually my managers realise I don't really know what I'm doing but I've already got a new job lined up. I was a great programmer in college but working in the industry just killed my motivation so I don't care about it at all anymore. I want to restart from square 1 and get that excitement back.
@angebomb
8 ай бұрын
Love that, good luck Sir!
@christianbouwense4702
8 ай бұрын
I was in the same boat a few years ago. People told me I had imposter syndrome but I knew I was actually just incredibly mediocre, since I was a fresh grad. Practice, practice, practice, and surround yourself with people who are better at programming than yourself. With your attitude of self awareness you will succeed.
@Muskar2
8 ай бұрын
@@TrophyGuide101 Same, I was great when I was studying but my motivation got killed in the industry. For me, I realized it was because of the huge opaque dependency graph, the ephemeral frameworks and the "clean code" standards that made less sense every day. Especially after I did the Object Calisthenics Challenge. The fact that C doesn't change much, but that the skill ceiling is incredibly high? Cool! And that me and my colleagues have all been lulled into thinking it's low productivity to work outside of OOP? Even more exciting when I found out it's bs! The opportunity is massive, and the skills gained are fundamentally useful. That's exactly what I was missing!
@marcosgonzales2007
8 ай бұрын
Good job brother are you following a guide? What’s your steps to solidify the fundamentals? I too feel this way although I’m currently employed.
@coolbugfacts1234
2 ай бұрын
I spent the first 7 years out of school doing Node.js and javascript, now I work at a robotics company doing C and python. The idea you can't move into harder domains or switch industries is just wrong. I've never had two jobs in the same industry, my last one was e-commerce working on order flow and payments.
@StarContract
Ай бұрын
True, also the idea that embedded programming is harder than javascript or web in general is also false.
@coolbugfacts1234
Ай бұрын
@@StarContract I think a lot of disdain for web stuff is just premature/pointless complexity and constantly chasing the next web framework, like there's so many websites that are basically full client side SPAs that have no reason to be
@StarContract
Ай бұрын
@@coolbugfacts1234 a lot of it, yes. But I've seen many cases of borderline retarded people who develop in C for the sake of it, looking down at javascript developers for not being "real" developers for whatever reason. For example, look at Tsoding comments section. Pure cringe
@waltwhite8126
Ай бұрын
ppl taking advice from Jonathan thinking he is some enlightened sage are stupid, most things he says are just wrong and nonsensical (especially about the start of someone's career). Just because someone says some truth it doesn't mean most things he says are correct. He is completely out of touch with the reality of 99% of programmers and just talks like he knows what he is talking about. Most of things he says about SWE career are just like those coaches that just talk about the ideal world and have no experience with the reality of those situations.
@waltwhite8126
Ай бұрын
@@nonamenolastname8501 I don't, but a lot of ppl do
@smurf88
Ай бұрын
I'm happy just making $100k a year doing stupid stuff and spending the money on my hobbies, I don't need to be an elite programmer.
@raccoons_stole_my_account
20 күн бұрын
Thanks for spoiling tech for all of us
@Vitorruy1
9 күн бұрын
mfw i wont be able to do that cuz Im not a US citizen
@user-sb5vt8iy5q
8 күн бұрын
@@Vitorruy1 I recently finished high school and I'm looking for programming jobs and the only positions in my country (or remote) need senior level experience, the ones that look for juniors ask for 3 years of experience in javascript, java, react, 3 other frameworks/languages, like bro how do I get the first 3 years if no job wants a beginner (this was just an example because if possible I wouldn't want to work in web, I like C/C++ more, but an internship in C++, yeah good luck finding that...)
@ivanf.8489
6 күн бұрын
Fr. Some people think that everyone must aim for the sky. But some people just don't want to and would be miserable that way...
@alsornet
2 ай бұрын
"Almost all advice you'll see on the Internet about how to program is bad" - i just heard this advice on the Internet :)
@kirbles2035
Ай бұрын
Not a programmer, or a game designer, hell I'm not very talented period, but word on the street is that you should learn by doing.
@m4rt_
9 ай бұрын
I don't fully agree with everything he says, but he does say a lot of things that make a lot of sense.
@ryzhovalex
8 ай бұрын
yeah, it's not clear to me why he so explicitly hates web, maybe he means silly html/css/js development cycles. Since a lot of modern apps are on the web, i wouldn't say that participating in some of them is easy and mediocre. Though most of the projects are silly landings etc. So if you like web development in it's core, maybe networking in particular, there are a lot of concepts far beyond mediocre stuff. Not spacex/nasa kind of complexity of course, but still worth taking a look.
@jesse9999999
8 ай бұрын
@@ryzhovalex he seems to dislike it because people aren't building from the ground up, and the foundations upon which people are building are not solid and have made people accustomed to a poor experience on the web. This is in contrast to games where people are used to things working fairly well, and then the game being gutted by the monetization strategy that is implemented which I don't think is much better.
@ramireini
8 ай бұрын
@@jesse9999999 Basically computers are super fucking fast, so why is software slow and shitty? It's because we made it so, most programmers suck.
@vke6077
8 ай бұрын
@@ramireini yep!
@karl4813
5 ай бұрын
@@ramireini not the programmers who suck, it's the managers and the capitalist system with deadlines and unrealistic expectations.
@0ia
10 ай бұрын
7:32 “You might just be looking for ways to not succeed while thinking you tried your hardest” Super true. Lately, when I’ve been too tired to do something, I’ve been accepting *that* instead of “I did as good as I could” - I could definitely do better! The next step is just finding why I want to do anything, because it’s inherently hard to do things the right way and to really do them.
@0ia
9 ай бұрын
This quote is great. I want to print it or something, but i feel like that's a lazy way to feel good about it without doing anything
@Muskar2
8 ай бұрын
@@0ia Nah, I think it's great being reminded of mindsets your heart believe in, that your amygdala likes to talk you out of. We're human, we're fallible. Try out everything to see if it works, instead of finding premature reasons not to. Good luck!
@0ia
8 ай бұрын
@@Muskar2 :)
@lucasfrykman5889
29 күн бұрын
This dude is the human embodiment of that pessimistic voice in your head.
@AChannelINeed
21 күн бұрын
You spelled realistic wrong
@tequilasunset4651
12 күн бұрын
@@AChannelINeed this is not realistic advice lol. Its a considerable perspective pretending it's right about everything
@joshuadav10
7 күн бұрын
There is literally nothing pessimistic about this video, or his advice. If anything, he's cynical, and pessimism and cynicism are distinct. He's not saying there's no hope for you if you do Javascript, he's not saying you can't improve, change; he's saying the assessment of poor skill isn't a delusion brought on by a lack of confidence, rather, an accurate assessment of current skill. A pessimist in this instance would say, "yeah, I suck, I should just give up, I can't get better, I'm no good". He's saying, "yeah, I suck - and I need to get better", or, more specifically, "Yeah, you suck, and you need to git gud". A pessimist would say if you're a web dev, give up, you have no purpose, he's saying, if you're a web dev - particularly a young developer - shift to other areas of expertise that will scale your skills better, and provide better long-term opportunities for you, because the skills you're using promote poor habits, demonstrate little technical knowledge, are easily replaceable, and will bring both a glass ceiling and at best, golden handcuffs for you at the tail-end of your career.
@1Poiuytgfdsa1
8 ай бұрын
"Web development" when done right is software engineering. If it's not done right, it's just that, web development. You can become a really good software engineer if you realize that developing something is 80% unrelated to the actual programming language you're using. It's about designing an elegant solution to a problem. The way you execute that solution is what's critical, not the context you execute it in.
@quinndirks5653
2 ай бұрын
100% agree.
@lastburning
9 ай бұрын
If you have some kind of programming related job that pays your bills, you're already in a good spot in life. Personally, I don't need to be an exceptional programming god in order to have a fulfilling life. By definition, not everybody can be like that even. Of course everybody yearns to do something meaningful, but you don't need to posses exceptional technical prowess to achieve that.
@Xerophun
9 ай бұрын
You can be exceptional in your free time. The average programmer burns down the clock and bails the second he can. If your second job is to get good you will. Once you are, then go where you're most valued and put the nonsense about self-quality behind you.
@the_original_dude
9 ай бұрын
nice, thinking just about yourself fuck the users I guess, who cares if they will be miserable because the devs don't strive to do a good job
@Muskar2
8 ай бұрын
I agree that doing something meaningful is just about all you need. I personally find it meaningful to provide value to other people though. And to grow and to learn. If you don't care about programming then perhaps it's not the career you'll find most meaning? Everyone deserves to have an occupation that gives them the feeling of being part of something meaningful. Even if it's something cliché like raising their kids or being a great partner in life.
@epicotakugamer4930
8 ай бұрын
@@the_original_dude yeah fuck them. The only thing you should ALWAYS prioritize is what benefits you and the pleasures of life.
@milandalosur1850
8 ай бұрын
@@the_original_dudeyou should read the preface to SICP. tl;dr The users always suck and it’s not our job to fix it. They will always bitch about something no matter how much you do. We’re here to have fun fiddling with our computers and learn things along the way.
@redboycaptures
Ай бұрын
i wouldn't take this guy too seriously. he had one good game and basically became a self annointed philosopher of the gamedev community.
@tropicaljupiter
Ай бұрын
Most KZitem preachers are like this
@wiirawiira
Ай бұрын
>one good game lol blow's still mad about the looker
@BusinessWolf1
Ай бұрын
@@tropicaljupiter nah, he's especially shitty
@Mallchad
29 күн бұрын
He's not. He's a 50 year old grizzled and grumpy computer scientist that has had a lot of time interacting with software and interacting with other programmers.
@La0bouchere
27 күн бұрын
Cope His first job was at Silicon Graphics, and his wikipedia entry pre-braid is probably better than your entire lifetime career.
@mikegriffin616
6 ай бұрын
Compelling points, though I don’t feel moved to agree. You can contemplate advice without adopting it.
@JianJiaHe
8 ай бұрын
I worked in game industry for 2.5 years. I think different country has different culture, but in my country, there are a lot of tech leads who don’t even need to learn new things or get better at programming. They only need to help schedule the jobs, talk to bosses, they only need the talking skills, they don’t even need to code, just pretend that they know a lot in front of the bosses.
@Simon-xi8tb
Ай бұрын
That's what i saw too. And its not only in game industry, it's in IT in general too
@soggy_dev
9 ай бұрын
I opted to jump into "web" stuff out of college 9 years ago because thats where the money was. It hasn't been super fulfilling in the last few years, but it was most definitely the right move financially. The hard part now is I can't work on things that really interest me without taking a huge paycut
@danvilela
9 ай бұрын
Same here
@stuart6478
9 ай бұрын
so you're a coward. well you're only getting older
@nageshky6001
9 ай бұрын
I mean if you had started off in the field you wanted to pursue, you probably would have ended up making what you are making now or more given the "lack" of non-web experts in comparison. Taking the pay-cut now, or back back then, the money kind of evens out, but are you enjoying what you at the moment and also the inertia that comes with changing fields and the time required to up-skill? Is it still worth it following the money? Cause money is there in most fields.
@gmodrules123456789
8 ай бұрын
Doesn’t backend pay more than web?
@soggy_dev
8 ай бұрын
@@gmodrules123456789 I'm pretty sure Jon is referring to anyone who works on products related to the web. I'm a backend dev, but everything I build is used by a web app and/or mobile app and most of it is exposed over HTTP
@acavbeats
Ай бұрын
I think this guy really loves the Web and programming for it. It really shows
@Flackon
8 ай бұрын
You probably shouldn't put too much stock on what Jon Blow says on topics that are outside systems programming and maybe game production. Take every other hot take of his on politics, psychology, the tech industry, technology, social commentary etc etc with a huge grain of salt. Just because he says things confidently doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about.
@FlameForgedSoul
8 ай бұрын
Louder for the people in the back. The single, childless socially awkward programming genius isn't who you want for a Life Coach.
@plaidchuck
2 ай бұрын
Such is the problem in the modern stream and social media era. We have people with specific experience giving general advice on the industry or even worse cultural critiques of society which are no better than a drunk bitching about something at the bar.
@htpkey
20 күн бұрын
If Jon didn't have an endless supply of bad takes and hyperbolic statements, nobody would listen to him. He's is entertaining though.
@user-rh5km2fy7b
9 ай бұрын
So awesome. Thank you a lot. I just felt what Johnathan said. Web dev is not bad. Its bad if you do only that. The low level development is really different. And you can miss a lot working only on web dev
@Ankhar2332
7 ай бұрын
thats because these bosses ... dont value their company and profits. they are probably too rich anyway
@alexaustin6961
8 ай бұрын
He is right about avoiding the financially stable choice now because you trick yourself into thinking you will eventually do your passion later on. One reason I have found is that unless you are very good with your finances, it is difficult to make enough money that your situation will change enough for you to just change careers out of the blue, so you really don't accomplish much by choosing the safer option rather than stall for time. Another thing is that unless you do a lot of work on the side for your passion outside of your work for your job, you will not have the skill set necessary to go into a career for your passion. And even then you might get out-competed by people who have professional experience in those skills, so you have a hard time getting your foot into the door.
@DannoHung
2 ай бұрын
If you think Jonathan Blow is really smart, watch his Animal Well livestream.
@RGcrasyRG
Ай бұрын
5:00 Yup. Looking at myself trying to do gamedev while working in aerospace embedded.
@zomg-rofl
Ай бұрын
i agree with some of what he said but i can't lie i automatically started tuning out his voice when i saw the windows logo.
@lileightright
16 күн бұрын
Man, I’ve never felt like this before-this is one of the hardest truths I’ve had to face. I do web and mobile development just for the money, with 0% passion for it. In my spare time, I actually use C and Go to develop networking projects, and I wish I had started with that in the first place. But I guess it’s too late now. :/
@enrique.lozano
8 ай бұрын
If most people are "bad at their job and what they are doing" then that's just called doing their job. This is the equivalent of your boss who spends way too much time at the office/working telling you that he doesn't expect more of you than they expect of themselves. This guy is clearly a gifted programmer, but that doesn't make their personal approach applicable to others.
@colbyboucher6391
8 ай бұрын
He's just a _bit_ of an egotistical jackass
@illegalsmirf
8 ай бұрын
Is he gifted? He seems like an average azzhole
@illegalsmirf
8 ай бұрын
@@imagudspellr1644 what is ‘clean maintainable code’ according to you? Is it highly verbose and abstract OOP by any chance?
@enrique.lozano
8 ай бұрын
@@imagudspellr1644 I'm not responding to what he understands, just what he is saying.
@EconaelGaming
11 күн бұрын
@enrique.lozano I agree that Jon is very harshly criticizing other coders, who may not have had good role models early on, but that's also why he says you should very carefully select your first few coding jobs, as if the people around you do mediocre work, that will influence your path.
@inspiredgoat4783
10 ай бұрын
holy shit was just thinking about your vids. The king has returned!!!!
@ITNoetic
8 ай бұрын
Something that successful people frequently leave out of their advice is the percentage of their success that can be attributed to sheer luck. Jonathan Blow was one of the most right place, right time game developers in history with Braid on Xbox 360. The part about investing in yourself instead of the market is real shit, but at the same time, the overwhelming majority of people who do so, even with good ideas and good execution, lack the luck factor and lose out for various reasons.
@boomshakalaka8567
7 ай бұрын
The luck excuse is the laziest excuse available. None of what you describe is luck when there is still skill involved. Luck is inheriting good genes that gave you a leg up intellectually over your peers. Or being born to two parents that give a shit. Or being born rich. That's luck. Because those are things you have no control over. If you have some control, then by definition, it is not as you describe, "sheer luck".
@youtubesuresuckscock
3 ай бұрын
yup. microsoft promoted braid because they had literally nothing else to promote on xbox live. it was sheer dumb luck. it's embarrassing how clueless he is.
@asvahagnas
8 ай бұрын
On a low key, I agree that when you're young, it's best to choose a more challenging job or role within a company. This will help you build a foundation that accelerates your skills at a much higher pace. Howeverrrrrrrr, you don't need to be a compiler/OS/Embedded developer to build that foundation. Web development is an umbrella term for a vast variety of systems and applications, and it is quite challenging in its own right. Just expand your scope, do different projects, change the role in the team or company, work on different parts of project, test new tools and 100 different things you can do without building game engine from scratch.
@fireninja8250
2 ай бұрын
I think people mostly say you should go to bare metal because it really does help understand how and why things are the way they are. If you know what the computer is doing you'll make better decisions with performance, understand bugs, and make better data structures. I agree don't make a game engine in C, but code a smaller project in C or something to learn how things work.
@user-is1zw2mi1k
7 күн бұрын
yeah man, it just really depends on what you are interested in, that's how you start.
@AlbertCloete
8 ай бұрын
I'm so happy I decided to focus on web dev early on. There are so many more jobs in web dev than mobile, or desktop, or other platforms. And it's much easier for me to get work at international companies, working remotely. I can build apps for basically every platform using web technologies.
@xX_dash_Xx
Ай бұрын
0:00 python devs stay winning
@DrunkAncestor
27 күн бұрын
Chase the challenge. If a job is no longer challenging, leave. This simple rule has served me well, I've lived and worked around the world on some amazing projects.
@joeedh
7 ай бұрын
Web programming is not a good way to become a software engineer, but I'm not sure most web programmers are aiming for a career designing large-scale software architectures anyway.
@__spacejunk__
3 күн бұрын
After all this talk,he is just game developer 💀
@sharx2002
2 ай бұрын
yeah sure, i'll download this into my worldview completely uncritically
@benfrese3573
24 күн бұрын
top comment
@el_carbonara
22 күн бұрын
imagine having this guy on your PR, I would submit it then just show myself the door.
@XAXAXA-ok1
8 ай бұрын
in all seriousness how the hell do you get somewhere other than webshit? its the only valid path. advice any1?
@tsessarsky
8 ай бұрын
There's plenty of other things to do! Imagine a web developer without an OS, text editor, graphics driver... You just need to close your browser and see the wolrd of endless oportunities. There's like the whole rest of the computer left.🙂 Pay-yo-bills-job-wise? I've no idea. That's why i'm not a programmer at my day job.
@zomg-rofl
Ай бұрын
>its the only valid path you might want to start at the fundamentals of computer science and programming. webdev is literally 1 inch of snow on top of the computer iceberg. I personally went into cryptography (not the crypto coins kind, the digital security kind). There is also robotics, embedded devices, operating systems, back-end network infrastructure, security, desktop application front end, 3d rendering, game design, compiling, etc. etc. I suggest looking into topics that sound the most interesting to you and researching how they are designed. (HINT: operating systems involves the most diverse set of problems in software design IMO, start with that.)
@rpt170
Ай бұрын
@@tsessarsky what's your day job? Just curious
@not_a_cool_handle
10 күн бұрын
Gonna quit my HTML engineering job tomorrow!
@thejudgeholden
2 күн бұрын
This is amazing keep posting more of this psycho
@screen-looker
8 ай бұрын
ok but can he center a div
@tomaszzielinski1704
2 ай бұрын
He would simply develop his own os, browser and markup language to do it
@XeenimChoorch-nx8wx
Ай бұрын
@tomaszzielinski1704 Would still be simpler than centering a div
@user-is1zw2mi1k
7 күн бұрын
nah for sure
@triberium_
2 ай бұрын
Lmao that one about bringing people coffee is legit on of the most successful ways of making connections, people love when you gift em shit
@galen__
2 ай бұрын
2:55 - When you’re young, you are defining yourself and then forever refining yourself 😅
@Drenmii
2 ай бұрын
The existence of an "imposter syndrome" must imply the existence of imposters.
@AbstractType1
8 күн бұрын
Harsh, but fair 😂
@strawstack
7 ай бұрын
At work, I had a choice between Java and Javascript. I chose Javascript (actually Typescript... actually JSX inside React).
@markmental6665
Ай бұрын
Thanks random guy who made a indie game about 15 years ago
@hexcodeff6624
Ай бұрын
2 games, to be precise
@sanjaycse9608
29 күн бұрын
He roasted me in 199999 ways😂
@turolretar
29 күн бұрын
The lost Tate brother
@jakubgwozdz2780
8 күн бұрын
is he mentioning spacex ironically, because i didn't get that...
@arkkisarkki
9 ай бұрын
Then again, what's so bad about mediocrity if it pays the bills and you're content enough with what you're doing? Not everybody has to be John Carmack or whatever. If you do have the singular goal of becoming a 10x maverick programming god, then sure, what he's saying is something to take to heart, but for the rest of us there's nothing inherently wrong with just taking a paycheck. I also don't agree with his point that something like Javascript leads to incurable brain rot. I do really dislike Javascript and would not want to work with it, personally, but I can't see how it would actively damage you to work in programming with whichever reasonably modern language. I think he's being too callous in his assessment that people will just be stuck mimicking whatever bad practice they might encounter in the early years of their career. By and large I don't think programmers are that stupid and will be able to notice themselves when something is dumb and could be done better, which might end up being a valuable lesson, if anything. Also, there's no need to look up to low level programming like it's some ultimate thing that makes everything else obsolete. I work with embedded and I couldn't create a half decent web app to save my life. It's just a different set of skills. TL;DR Not hating on Jonathan but I really don't think what he's saying is helpful for most people.
@ivanbraidi
8 ай бұрын
If you're content being mediocre, that's ok. But you will remain forever mediocre. So it's quite sad.
@Muskar2
8 ай бұрын
I spent too long learning ephemeral frameworks, and apart from arbitrary syntax and "beautiful" design, I feel like the only things I really learned was that they made me disengaged with the field. I don't want to learn arbitrary ephemeral constructs and put in a lot of work to learn something just because it's trending, and not because it's any good. I mean, I learned other things along the way, but those web "not"-frameworks really drained my soul. Perhaps some people are just more tolerant than me, but I don't want to spend my life working hard to do something that is barely meaningful to me.
@BuffRobotiX
8 ай бұрын
There is a problem with mediocrity. Striving for excellence makes the world a better place. If everyone was more like John Carmack problems would get solved quicker, more efficiently, and humanity would be farther along.
@ivanbraidi
8 ай бұрын
@@BuffRobotiX Exactly. Sadly aiming for excellence require a great deal of focus and energy, so the vast majority of people don't even try and coast in mediocrity. There was an excellent article that explained statistically why among 8 billion people there is only one Elon Musk.
@spikydough
8 ай бұрын
@ivanbraidi What? Source/reasoning for that claim in the article? There's a large number of people as dumb as Elon
@jhoo58
8 ай бұрын
Is it not good enough to find fulfillment in my own way? If living through your career makes you happy then do it. Otherwise don't. Turns out its actually fine either way.
@coolbugfacts1234
2 ай бұрын
No you must live your live in such a way that Jonathan Blowhard finds acceptable.
@Eminar5
Ай бұрын
He was asked what advice he would give. Obviously he's going to answer from his own set of values. If you don't share them you should listen to someone else.
@Raxfyr
8 ай бұрын
oh no im a mediocre programmer making 6 figures doing shit thats easy
@user-sj3fp2xq2m
8 ай бұрын
Some heavy truth pills being dropped here..
@hifumibestgirl
2 ай бұрын
Learning how computers work and using low level languages is actually not as difficult as many programmers may think. Even if you’ve only ever used JavaScript, you can learn an incredible amount and get ahead of most of your peers if you put in a few good years of effort. Of course, there’s nothing wrong with “just”being a React dev. But you can do more than you think!
@charliebytes_
2 ай бұрын
I recently graduated, any advice in which areas I can work instead of Web development and how to learn that area?
@nikkehtine
2 ай бұрын
Love him or hate him, I can absolutely see where he's coming from and even agree with most of the stuff he's saying. Sometimes you need people like him to tell you straight how it is instead of those that claim it's all rainbows and glitter and tell you to buy their courses. Still you should never take all of that as gospel and instead apply critical thinking.
@Dongobog-ps9tz
13 күн бұрын
8:00 This kind of stuff is just bragging with no value to anyone other than the speaker.
@1vnhk
4 ай бұрын
I quit my job partially because of this
@ggoncalves80
7 ай бұрын
Man, someone needs to code for the web 😂
@tonyvisente5286
18 күн бұрын
How can i find a non web dev job when, web dev jobs are 99% of what the market asks
@theyioel
8 ай бұрын
Sorry, a newbie here: What are the other things? I mean, I see that web development has a HUGE amount of atention. Honestly, I don't really like web, but for my inexperience it's possible to lean towards this as my first job while I look for another domain. I don't really like JS or TS, it feels dirty, idk. I know C, Python and I want to learn Go just to avoid JS. I feel like programming languages generalise their purpose, I don't like that (sorry Python), I mean I want to use the right tool for the exact problem I want to solve. Of course I understand that this is just bullshit, but I want to have control over the tools I use and why I use them.
@zo5esi4i57
26 күн бұрын
now I feel better about getting released from web development because of a dying market
@ggoncalves80
7 ай бұрын
Until you understand money is what you need, and you will work for who pays more 😢
@paultapping9510
2 ай бұрын
jUst gO InTErN aT SpaCE-x
@jameslay6505
2 ай бұрын
"Most people who are good at programming are really busy... they're not usually giving advice about how to program" lol
@quinndirks5653
2 ай бұрын
That one flew over even Johnathan Blow's head!!! Well, maybe it was an intended jab at himself, but I think Johnathan is not that humble. He means for everyone except him, I'm sure. I guess he did say "usually"
@romanzkv4
8 ай бұрын
smart guy, simple truth, no messing around
@kaj1543
9 ай бұрын
We do blazor C# at our company. Is this a good place to be or should I be looking for other places?
@okira_e
9 ай бұрын
Be good at your job. Pay your bills. If you feel like you have the capacity to be a better developer that makes better software then try to achieve that in your spare time for self-fulfillment. If you can turn that into a job then go for it. There is no "should." Do what makes you feel better.
@kaj1543
9 ай бұрын
@@okira_e It's not about money. I am just still young and I hope not to be doing front end my whole life as a computer scientist
@gmodrules123456789
8 ай бұрын
That’s actually a very good place to start. C# translates well to pretty much every other paradigm. You’ll learn what (and what not) to do pretty quickly.
@Michael_Jackson187
2 ай бұрын
why cant someone do things in their off time to supplement the things they are learning at work.
@jasondads9509
6 ай бұрын
Whelp I screwed up
@MichaelLazarski
8 ай бұрын
For the people reading comments: There is nothing wrong to start with web development! If you think only because you surround yourself with people who look like Arnold Schwarzenegger at his best then you will look like that then your wrong. If you think you only need to train enough then you will look like it your wrong. At worst you can hurt yourself. Also if most advise on the internet is wrong. Why should I listen to this advise? Since clearly he has the time to go on and on about stuff on the internet... So he is not the one busy developer...
@dodgepickle
8 ай бұрын
web developers usually think they have good earning cuz they pass a difficult interview and knowledge the new tech (the fact is money flow was on IT field at that time). I'm used to be like that. 3 years ago, I decided to quit the field (Javascript, React, React Native), and start to dive to game industry. It shocked me how ignorant and stupid I was, but it also gave me a chance to learning what should be learn as a programmer.
@arachnid4910
8 ай бұрын
What do you suggest
@TVIDS123
8 ай бұрын
Game devs get paid the least...
@davidorbang7152
8 ай бұрын
and have the biggest ego....@@TVIDS123
@TVIDS123
7 ай бұрын
@@kuromika_ ummm, the other guy brought up money first lol
@philip6579
23 күн бұрын
SpaceX uses javascript though
@sergesolkatt
10 ай бұрын
❤
@shep9194
2 ай бұрын
Can we get solja boy on stream to humble him rq
@ragemachinist
8 ай бұрын
This guy is just projecting his "I'm not enough" onto others.
@anthonyhughes8026
2 ай бұрын
You forgot to add “successfully”. Let’s try to be comprehensive, here.
@Salantor
8 ай бұрын
Funny how most people asking "how to be better" came from webdev.
@bagietmajster8589
2 ай бұрын
8:00 jonathan summing up my entire life
@iamvfx
10 ай бұрын
Only consider? 😁
@tsessarsky
10 ай бұрын
I lowkey wanna rename this video to "...clips that made me quit my job" one day
@d77droid
8 ай бұрын
so how to make monys then im driving for uber rn .-.
@merveillevaneck5906
Ай бұрын
I was looking forward to this…30 seconds in: i already disagree with him completely
@jk-fy8on
9 ай бұрын
so did you quit?
@tsessarsky
8 ай бұрын
Not yet. Gotta pay my bills like the rest of this comment section🙃 I mean... don't quit your job if you don't know that you're doing. No pressure🙂
@wrangler112
28 күн бұрын
Don't listen to this dude. If you're good in js you can do bunch of stuff. For messing with data you can learn python fairly fast. There's bunch of stuff you can build knowing just js or ts. All kinds of tools or business solutions. To many people that's much more exciting than what this guy does, building (imo) mediocre games. For programming stuff like games and graphics, or big data apps, or programming hardware, or memory/cpu intense systems etc, for all of these you'll probably have to learn completely separate set of skills, frameworks and programming languages. Question is do you really want to do that and why? If you can answer, go for it. But his answer is not it. Plenty of opportunities for young and energized if you only know js html and css. Depends only on what you're seeking.
@TheNurahh
Ай бұрын
The Andrew Tate for nerds And by nerds I mean easily impressed CS freshmen
@arphenti2502
2 ай бұрын
Hate my fcking life
@alexkfridges
8 ай бұрын
This is horrific advice. Jon is not a good person to get life advice on.
@Ciachoo
8 ай бұрын
Wat is horrific exactly?
@austecon6818
2 ай бұрын
100% agree that most people with imposter syndrome are just incompetent.
@artemysreborn1580
8 ай бұрын
It's a bit telling that the people in the comment section praising his ramblings as the gospel truth just all happen to look like freemium Andrew Tate.
@Stevejustt
8 ай бұрын
I do agree with some of his points, but mehhh. It makes me slightly cringe when he talks like a life coach.
@BoloH.
4 күн бұрын
Nah. All programming jobs are useful. They're CV filler and you will need first-hand experience about both bad and good things in programming.
@sermuns
2 ай бұрын
why is this dude using Windows?
@hyperTorless
7 ай бұрын
Based
@omegahaifoleet
8 ай бұрын
:D
@ivanbraidi
8 ай бұрын
Jon is the perfect example of common sense expressed in an eloquent and effective way. If only more people would listen to him carefully.
@greekthejimmy4107
8 ай бұрын
friendly reminder that despite his grand pontifications about code, its role in society, and how everything is awful, Jonathan Blow has never developed any software that moves the field forward or improves people's lives. his comment about imposter syndrome is hilarious because he is the one with imposter syndrome. he has spent his entire career creating meaningless software that is used for leisure activities and serving his own ego. he has not solved any big problems. he has not made any discoveries. he's just a guy who is angry because he got very good at a thing that doesn't actually matter and has to use his mouth instead of his work to get the type of attention he believes he deserves.
@Salantor
8 ай бұрын
He is working on his own programming language made specifically for games, that has already been tested by people, mister armchair psychologist.
@greekthejimmy4107
8 ай бұрын
@@Salantoryes because another programming language is what we needed😅
@Salantor
8 ай бұрын
@@greekthejimmy4107 With that kind of attitude we would still use Assembly for everything. Also, don't need to move the goalpost.
@VACatholic
8 ай бұрын
@@greekthejimmy4107 Yeah we have Javascript! What more could we possibly need?
@greekthejimmy4107
8 ай бұрын
@@Salantor there is nothing groundbreaking going on with Jai. it doesn't do anything that plenty of other languages can't do. there is like a 10% chance its ever finished/released publicly and a .01% chance it ever gains mass adoption.
@cypphex
9 ай бұрын
people who value this mans input on software watch andrew tate unironically
@VACatholic
8 ай бұрын
LMAO great burn man. That's so funny. You totally owned him with that quip! How will he ever recover from being compared to Andrew Tate? That's such an astute observation my dude, I can't believe I didn't see it before. LMAO HAHAHA.
@cypphex
8 ай бұрын
fellas we found one
@Muskar2
8 ай бұрын
You're such a troll. He's not the best, but Tate's a literal con artist charged with human trafficking, where as Jon is a highly capable and artistic technical person, who occasionally trolls his audience and gives half-chewed advice. Why several people seemed to find your bait funny is beyond me
@BuffRobotiX
8 ай бұрын
Found the web developer.
@TVIDS123
8 ай бұрын
@@BuffRobotiXwhat is wrong with doing web development?
@civilprotectionofficer858
10 ай бұрын
Bro я в дерьме, и мне реально нужны деньги, посоветуй в какую область it попытаться вкатиться, если я полный ноль в программировании и хочу денег (я скачал ide для java и сейчас рукаводство начал читать), впринципе меня привоекает программирование, и я хочу узнать как это все работает, но я также хочу найти работу, какие направления посоветуешь? Я планировал бекенд
@tsessarsky
10 ай бұрын
Мне сложно посоветовать что-то связанное с программированием, т.к. я программистом нигде никогда не работал. Но я бы рекомендовал что-то по глубже чем веб-программинг, потому что фундаментально веб-программинг - не про то чтобы понимать как всё устроено под капотом (этот видос в частности про это). Вспомнил хороший совет от Кейси: hero.handmade.network/episode/code/day246/#4368 hero.handmade.network/episode/code/day246/#5006 Наверное уж лучше быть веб-разработчиком в компании которая делает что-то полезное для общества, а не в Palantir'е.🙂 Просто здесь есть нюансы. Если Джонатан говорит что лучше уж разносить людям кофе, чем быть web-программистом, то я буду это делать. Акцент на "лучше уж чем", а не на кофе. Нам не обязательно кофе разносить. Поэтому 5 лет назад когда у меня был шанс устроится "по блату" web-программистом, я его нарочно "упустил" и нашёл себе работу сисадмином.🙃
@civilprotectionofficer858
10 ай бұрын
@@tsessarskyспасибо большое
@dr.livesey5157
8 ай бұрын
Дружище, начни с курса CS50 для начала, там уже ближе к делу начнешь определяться что именно тебе будет интересно
@dr.livesey5157
8 ай бұрын
@@tsessarsky а у Джонатана есть какая-то экспертиза в вебе? А то он столько хейта кидает и мне кажется, что мы с ним знаем два разных веба...
@tsessarsky
8 ай бұрын
@@dr.livesey5157 Не думаю. Всё-таки это не его поле деятельности. У него совершенно другие проекты. Другие задачи, соответственно и другие инструменты нужны для их решения. Хотя я думаю что в вебе полно сложных и интересных проблем (особенно "под капотом") которые могут сильно напугать каких-нибудь фронт-ендеров, но я не шарю. Просто из-за того что сегодня каждая собака "программист", его как ветерана это уже просто подзаебало))
@arubaga
8 ай бұрын
This guy is scared of young competitors lowering his salaries. Moving coffee at SpaceX being better blows my mind.
@deadhouseplants64
8 ай бұрын
He does realize that web developers allow him to spew his goofy takes to the world, right?
@lennysmileyface
8 ай бұрын
and non web developers allowed web development to be a thing. ;)
@tsessarsky
8 ай бұрын
It's okay guys, we don't need to fight. If it wasn't for guys who dug up some sand to make semiconductors or whatever, where would we end up?🙂
@gmodrules123456789
9 ай бұрын
All this guy does is flap his gums.
@Salantor
8 ай бұрын
Say you don't know who Blow is without saying you don't know who Blow is.
@Gornius
8 ай бұрын
@@Salantor It's obvious that he's talented and achieved something, but he's closed-minded and in his mind only good opinion is his own opinion. I find it really funny that so many losers look up to him, thinking that taking his opinions as the source of ultimate truth will make them "rise above mediocrity".
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