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@hazeust
2 жыл бұрын
Watching your videos is fuyn
@Exxalted
2 жыл бұрын
Uhh maybe I'm engaging with this comment as well??😚😚👍😌🐍🧐 Wow I really am
@stevechance150
2 жыл бұрын
Joel, buy a microphone stand. Seriously.
@Wired_User
2 жыл бұрын
@@stevechance150 But then he couldn’t hold his microphone
@aleyahaforlife
2 жыл бұрын
All of these paid talking heads are dumbing down America.
@jacobodell5231
Жыл бұрын
I love how Jordan Peterson, a clinical psychologist, saw that one of his patients suffering with a drug addiction was spending all of his money on drugs when he got it and concluded that "poor people don't know how to handle money" rather than "my patient's disease is making him spend money on drugs instead of necessities." I feel bad for anyone who is a client of this man.
@maxwang2537
Жыл бұрын
He uses generalisations madly yet he sometimes claims he’s a scientist. I almost died laughing 😂
@Vizivirag
Жыл бұрын
I was also baffled. This psychologist doesn't know what addiction is?
@SuperStrik9
Жыл бұрын
@@Vizivirag To make it even more baffling Peterson himself was addicted to benzos. He was physically dependent on them and experienced hellish withdrawal symptoms coming off them. How he doesn't seem to understand addiction and what being physically dependent can drive a person to do is mind blowing.
@rayzecor
Жыл бұрын
Did I misunderstand? I thought he said that money sometimes is bad; he wasn't just making the blanket statement that poor people are bad with money, just that sometimes people shouldn't be given more of it
@cascharles3838
Жыл бұрын
@@rayzecor he was using that anecdote as justification for his belief that if you give money to that 10% of people in society, they won't know how to use it properly and will waste it. It's a gross oversimplification and ignores the systematic issues which make it so much harder for people in poverty to hold onto money.
@jeffriesmovies
Жыл бұрын
The sentence “To Jordan Peterson’s credit, I have no idea what he’s talking about” is beautiful
@vtorious9102
Жыл бұрын
That's his power and weakness. He's able to say "xyz", people who critique him say "yeah that xyz is not good", and then he says, "I didn't say that, I said x^2, y^3, z^4, to the degree that 4^z = 3^y = 2^x."
@noahmay7708
Жыл бұрын
@@vtorious9102 filibusters upon filibusters
@krumpelschtiltzkeen
Жыл бұрын
To JP's credit, neither does he.
@MickeyMouse-lm6zj
Жыл бұрын
leftists when they're told to clean their room or something
@Tcrror
Жыл бұрын
@@MickeyMouse-lm6zj You're not very bright.
@porcelainmannequinn549
Жыл бұрын
Imagine your dad coming to you, his adult daughter, to complain about a fat woman on a magazine cover for five solid minutes tho. Imagine
@sweetsnejinka9411
Жыл бұрын
That was so creepy to me.
@runawaygemm5397
Жыл бұрын
And it’s like, she’s literally just not skinny. It’s not an uncommon or ugly body type by any means, even subjectively. I can’t understand why he thinks she’s so horrific
@shadenox8164
9 ай бұрын
@@runawaygemm5397 The funny thing is the magazine has probably had plenty of women on it that he would consider attractive. But he doesn't think its acceptable for one model to not be to his taste. He's actually the closest one to being authoritarian about this.
@elsea6461
6 ай бұрын
I'd seriously tell my Dad to get over himself 😅😂
@jacobwheeler6136
4 ай бұрын
That's how parents get disowned by their children
@marcybons
Жыл бұрын
literally so easy to diagnose this guy with "divorced because his wife got sick of being treated like she was literally an inferior being, also rolled her eyes at his bullshit a bunch before she finally left" it's unreal
@bigbrothertw
Жыл бұрын
he has hostage wife energy
@notthatLeia
2 ай бұрын
What positive words could possibly describe Jordan and be the truth?
@fourthmatchflame
21 күн бұрын
@@notthatLeia i mean, hes certainly charismatic.
@spuriousgeorge7233
9 күн бұрын
@@fourthmatchflameIs he, though?
@fourthmatchflame
8 күн бұрын
@@spuriousgeorge7233 i mean it is just word vomit but it is, if you are a certain kind of person, very compelling word vomit.
@jello4835
Жыл бұрын
"I have no idea. People who boast about their IQ are losers." -- Stephen Hawking, when asked by a reporter for his IQ
@K1ttyGam3r
Жыл бұрын
Chad
@rootfish2671
Жыл бұрын
Yup just look at Mensa
@ratboy2164
Жыл бұрын
based
@emilymonahan5232
Жыл бұрын
BASED AS FUCK
@name-removed-
Жыл бұрын
@@ugadugaga4972 IQ is dumb but that statement is categorically false. Some people are genuinely more talented at thing than others, and someone that is both naturally gifted at something and passionate about it will always be better at that than someone that is solely passionate.
@cheeselovingtree
2 жыл бұрын
Imagine if your clinical psychologist told you that he didn't believe that people could fundamentally change
@DeathnoteBB
Жыл бұрын
I stg, people call him a therapist, psychiatrist, and now a psychologist- Which is it, they’re not the same thing 😭
@moonfolkrapid
Жыл бұрын
Well, it is unlikely for most people. Most of the change comes later in life when your psychological characteristics tend to become more pronounced. Ofc complete shift in your environment, like war situation etc., can change somewhat temporarily or permanently change it.
@superdeli47
Жыл бұрын
@@moonfolkrapid I think cheeselovingtree meant that a psychologist's career is built on the premise that people can fundamentally change with the psychologist's help. Otherwise why work in this field in the first place.
@JuanPabloSelvaje
Жыл бұрын
@@DeathnoteBB He’s a psychologist. That’s the right one to call him. Why are you mad?
@DeathnoteBB
Жыл бұрын
@@JuanPabloSelvaje “Why are you mad?” 1. I- Never said I was mad? I was reasonably frustrated and confused… 2. Because _they’re not the same thing._ It’s like calling someone a gardener, botanist, and herbalist when you really mean one of those things. It’s nonsensical, useless, and confusing.
@UdarRusskihPudgei
8 ай бұрын
When I was a kid, my mom, a college teacher, brought me Eysenck's IQ Test book, with ~10 variants of test. And I solved them all during a weekend. At the first one I got around 110, and last ones I easily solved for 140. So it is either a greatest intellectual improvement in human history, or IQ just shows how someone is good at solving poorly defined logical puzzles.
@TragicHeroine-kd6uy
4 ай бұрын
Peterson really solved one of these and got a high result and thought he is the chosen one huh
@Linkman8912
2 ай бұрын
@@TragicHeroine-kd6uynah he's just the only one who knows the truth... Right?
@Freaky0Nina
10 күн бұрын
I remember when i took an iq test when i was 10 years old. I got a point less for answering a knowledge wrong. I was asked how much a "dozen" is. I wasn't sure whether it was eleven or twelve. I guessed the former and got points deducted. So. Luck is definitely a factor.
@zigzagzipbag6561
Жыл бұрын
"The relationship between poverty and intelligence is self evident once you think about it for any length of time" is just "I think there is a relationship between poverty and intelligence, no I don't have any source, my word must suffice, clean your room" To think I once adored this man.
@augustp7543
Жыл бұрын
ikr. There is a correlation, but asserting it as a fundamental and unchanging relationship is really reductive. And his version of "believing IQ science" seems to start and end with predictions based off of someone's current/most recent IQ, which is reductive of multiple other fields of study, like sociology and economics. You could theoretically argue that it's a starting point for an entry level course and will be expanded on in later courses, but when he's submitting these lectures as stand alone content it requires a different standard. Tl;dr IQ does affect quality of life, but society and intelligence are both more complicated than just "dum dums are useless"
@Cynsham
Жыл бұрын
There is somewhat of a correlation between poverty and intelligence, but the way Peterson phrases it, like most horseshit that comes out of his mouth, is both wildly reductive and oversimplified in order to fit his own personal narrative about whatever subject he's decided to believe that he's an expert on at that moment.
@alexjames7144
Жыл бұрын
It's bizarre because obviously there's a relationship between poverty and intelligence but Peterson implies that stupid people just naturally end up poor, which makes no sense because stupid rich people don't tend to end up on state benefits. The actual relationship is that poverty limits the ability to access good education, especially early education and leave parents with less time to spend trying to nurture their kids' minds. We understand that IQ is significantly impacted by early childhood education, and that poverty predicts abysmal access to good early childhood education due to outside factors with no fault of the parents. Yet Peterson looks at that and says "hmmm..... Maybe there's a link somewhere but I guess we'll never know..... Nobody could possibly think of a solution for this.....I guess it's just the natural order......."
@Player-pj9kt
11 ай бұрын
I think JP doesn't realize that Iq scores have to be normalized because the average IQ score is steadily going up. Does that mean the our brains are bigger than ppl from 100 years ago? No the increase us too fast to be explained by genetic changes instead it means that our education system is getting more comprehensive, knowledge is more readily available (e.g. the internet), high calorie food is readily available... all of these factors are economy related
@quantize
11 ай бұрын
Hes a blithering grifter, the self help is basic psychology and how he radicalizes ppl
@GreyGramarye
2 жыл бұрын
“This is why I’m a radical defender of free speech. You should be exposed to ideas that make you ask questions even if they make you uncomfortable!” *looking at magazine cover* “This isn’t where this picture belongs! It makes me uncomfortable, as though it’s trying to make me question my preconceptions!”
@MrCmon113
Жыл бұрын
He never said that they shouldn't be allowed to print the cover. He reacted to it.
@SorowFame
Жыл бұрын
@@MrCmon113 he said that they “aren’t beautiful no matter how much authoritarian tolerance” or whatever the exact quote was. Heavy implication being that because he doesn’t find the model attractive they shouldn’t be there and that they’re only there because of wokeness or whatever. If he’s literally just stating his preference then why not say “I don’t think they’re beautiful” rather than saying it as if it’s an objective fact and if he doesn’t see it as an issue to be corrected why say anything at all?
@shadenox8164
9 ай бұрын
@@MrCmon113 No dude. The implication was pretty clearly that they shouldn't do it. In fact he was quite authoritarian about how not just he doesn't find her attractive but no one can. Because if he didn't, why would he react at all? A normal person doesn't whine because a swimsuit model for one issue isn't their type.
@Randomlycreatedbyme
5 ай бұрын
@@MrCmon113 He didn’t say “I don’t think she’s beautiful” he said “She isn’t beautiful and everyone who disagrees has been brainwashed by woke culture”. It’s the old “no one can have different experiences from me, and if they say they do, they are either brainwashed or part of some evil plan that is trying to corrupt me”. Is this how you approach people in your everyday life?
@demilembias2527
4 ай бұрын
can we please all talk about how yumi nu is also, like, conventionally attractive lol? she's probably genuinely in the top 1% of having traits that appeal to the most stereotypical of male heterosexualities. she's a little chubby and pear shaped in a way that was literally considered the height of beauty in most cultures at most times in history except like, for this one random handful of decades. Jordan's beloved ancient greeks would probably be going crazy for this woman. its like. what the fuck is he even talking about on so many levels lmfao
@nolanhanna
2 жыл бұрын
"some rich people *are* parasitical but some aren't" but also ALL poor people are parasitical and just want government handouts to spend on drugs. Super consistent jordy
@espeon871
Жыл бұрын
Ah yes people who exploit people for gain and hurt them, (parasite activity) arent all parasites cuz they give money (bare fucking minimum also not always guarenteed) arent parasites but poor people being exploited (like parasite host) who want handouts cuz no money (to live and keep up and survive cuz of parasite) are bad actually cuz capitalism yummy Dude if u use his parasite model literally his argument is debunked lol so like what's up
@derp195
Жыл бұрын
I don't think it's inconsistent, just terrible and simple. Not all rich people are good, no good people are poor.
@alex.g7317
Жыл бұрын
@@derp195 that’s true
@SharkyMcSnarkface
Жыл бұрын
@@derp195 "No good people are poor" Whatever keeps you awake at night, man.
School psychologist here. When I evaluate a kid’s “IQ,” I’m more concerned about their individual cognitive differences-not how “smart” they are. Knowing that a child has trouble in a specific area (like the kiddos with ADHD or Autism who struggle with processing speed and working memory or the kids with SLD who have a hard time with auditory processing) is useful because it tells me how to design the child’s Individualize Education Plan (IEP) to best help. Just saying “we’ll, they’re just dumb” isn’t constructive at all-even when you’re working with a child with low cognitive and adaptive abilities due to an intellectual disability.
At my grocery store we have a lovely teen with Down syndrome who bags groceries. He is helpful, smiling and cheerful every time I see him. I don’t buy the IQ argument at all. Some of the stupidest people I have met have been wealthy and less useful to society than this young man. I don’t know who he lives with, but I’ll assume he isn’t living on his own or earning a living wage, but he is helpful and useful to society. Our acceptance of him throughout his life, along with good parents and social programs have helped make him the cheerful person he is. Tossing our hands up and giving up on a low IQ child robs the world of people like this young man. I will assume that he has a job due to some social program benefiting his employer.
@alexjames7144
Жыл бұрын
I also think the more pressing issue is that Peterson insists these people must have some sort of "productive" job in the first place. Why? Even if 10% aren't that useful we can surely just accept them anyway, 90% is a pretty good success rate. Realistically considering how much excess we produce for the ultra rich we could all live very comfortably based on what we currently produce, and that's in a system where most people's talent is wasted by being disadvantaged.
@jacobs7764
Жыл бұрын
@@alexjames7144Way more than 10% of billionaires and executives haven't done jack shit to make anybody's life better in at best decades. I am, much like Peterson, deeply concerned about a small contingent of our society seeming unable to contribute anything of value. We just disagree on which neighborhood you can find them in.
@alexjames7144
Жыл бұрын
@@jacobs7764 ? I'm not on the side of billionaires, I'm all for decapitation and wealth redistribution. As for 10%, I shouldn't really have to point out that 10% if billionaires and 10% of the population of the whole are very different numbers. Idek how you managed the mental backflips required to bring that up. I also agree that the rich are the problem. That was never up for debate. I was just saying that forcing everyone to be "productive" isn't necessary, if wealth was shared fairly they wouldn't need to be. Also not quite sure whether you're saying that you disagree with me or Peterson?
@thornels
11 ай бұрын
@@alexjames7144I think they're agreeing with you in a very angry manner hahaha
@footballrestored171
11 ай бұрын
@@alexjames7144 The line about "productive" jobs also got to me. If a job is so worthless, then completely get rid of the position and either have a machine do it, or have a pre-existing employee also do that assignment (on top of their regular duties). The fact that so many places don't do this, shows it's not always cost effective, so even a "non-productive" job DOES have some value (even if it's in a roundabout way). Also, people degrading those jobs would be the first to complain if Walmart was only open from 5:00 PM to 12 Midnight, because "Only high school students and college students should have those jobs."
@unrightist
2 жыл бұрын
"I don't know the solution" = "I actually think the solution is eugenics but I can't say that out loud" Every single thing about him is like psychology 100 years ago or something. He was born in the wrong century.
@emylily8266
2 жыл бұрын
considering the figures he holds in the highest regard like Jung are incredibly outdated for the modern field of psychology, it's no wonder he gives off that impression.
@unrightist
2 жыл бұрын
@@emylily8266 that's exactly what I mean yeah. He's like a human time capsule.
@marspower1288
2 жыл бұрын
Stefan Molineux, the bald guy he was explaining IQ to, is literally a self proclaimed eugenicist and white supremacist so...
@FirstnameLastname-bn4gv
2 жыл бұрын
@@emylily8266 This is totally unrelated, but I was wondering what your profile pic is from, it looks familiar
@Megaghost_
2 жыл бұрын
"I can't say it out loud so I'll let my followers do it for me." That's his strategy.
@duck6100
Жыл бұрын
Personally I think his position has always been "I want to do eugenics but would never straight up say that because I'd get cancelled"
@antlerbraum2881
Жыл бұрын
He looks like the type of guy who in the early 20th century would have been one of those mad scientists who dissects people and tries to find ‘racial impurities’.
@SadisticBlessings
Жыл бұрын
This is precisely what Peterson is saying, though Big Joel pulls up short of straight up accusing him of it - when he says "it's a big problem (the low IQ population being genetically incapable of performing what he considers meaningful labor), and I don't know what the solution is," he's simply advocating for eugenics. Because if you believe that people having a low IQ is a problem for society, and that low IQ is caused purely by genetic factors and cannot be meaningfully improved through environmental improvements or societal intervention, then the only "solution" is eugenics.
@HazeLmao
Жыл бұрын
jesus christ worst faith possible interpretation
@mister_kaniela
Жыл бұрын
@@HazeLmao argue a better one😂😂 you people are in a cult
@wzywg
Жыл бұрын
The irony being that there is no way to tell if he'd have survived in the realm we evolved from. Again, just the privileged decrying the failings of the underprivileged.
@TheAoide82
Жыл бұрын
My IQ is 143 and I've lived below the poverty line most of my adult life. Take that, JBP
@Dock284
Жыл бұрын
Yeah IQ is not a good way of measuring that kind of stuff. Even the people with the highest IQ can have to live on the streets while people with low IQ can live great lives.
@Redsky973
Жыл бұрын
"Up yours, woke moralists" 💀
@physics_lover100
5 ай бұрын
Your iq dose not 143
@Literallyjustmint
4 ай бұрын
@@physics_lover100and you don't love physics
@physics_lover100
4 ай бұрын
@@Literallyjustmint 😂🤣 okk ok
@realsanmer
8 ай бұрын
Remember children: IQ tests only prove how good you are at solving IQ tests.
@Kevin_the_Caveman
7 ай бұрын
They're not even that good at measuring that, actually, as the same individual's result can vary greatly between two tests. IQ isn't even good at measuring IQ.
@spacedragon1453
6 ай бұрын
TRUE
@jacobwheeler6136
4 ай бұрын
Exactly
@thatswhatsgood24
4 ай бұрын
Hm it's almost as if ones ability to take in and regurgitate information may be related to their intelligence
@whatno5090
4 ай бұрын
This kind of misses the point of the video. Joel never debates the point that IQ is a metric connected to various other factors such as what jobs you may be able to occupy and sustain. Though IQ isn't probably as meaningful as we'd hope a meaningful statistic would be, IQ does have some meaning beyond a number, and even Joel seems to accept that in this video. If you claim IQ is meaningless to one of Peterson's followers, you won't get to any of the more significant problems in Peterson's rhetoric.
@edgarallenhoe3518
2 жыл бұрын
Peterson's refusal to define the actual problem is maddening. "There's is nothing for 10% of the population to do" sure SOUNDS like a problem, but he's missing the very last step. How is this actually affecting the world right now? Is there 10% of the population that can't get jobs and are suffering because of it? So we need to find a way to fit them better into society, by making jobs for them? Or is 10% of the population failing at jobs that they aren't able to do, and employers should be free to fire them? Peterson's great trick is to stop right before he finishes his argument, so that in order to disagree with him you have to infer his conclusion, giving him the ability to dismiss you immediately because "I never said that." It's cowardly and brilliant at the same time.
@Rawnblade13
2 жыл бұрын
Given his politics, I'm pretty sure I know what his solution would be to these so-called useless people...
@shelbypowell9919
2 жыл бұрын
Problem A exists. Problem A must be solved. Solutions B, C and D have been proposed. Solution C and solution B won’t work for reasons I will spend the next six hours discussing in detail. I maintain the problem must be solved but offer no alternative solution. [Solution D is eugenics and genocide. I’ll just leave that there for you to pick up on.]
@christopherrushdudley
2 жыл бұрын
He is apparently incapable of listening to ideas outside of capitalism's dark, sad box.
@minhducnguyen9276
2 жыл бұрын
@@christopherrushdudley "Muh culture Marxists!" Man literally dodging every Marxist or socialist wo can and are willing to debate him.
@EmoBearRights
2 жыл бұрын
@@Rawnblade13 And it may well be final.
@jackdeath
Жыл бұрын
Point of order: The idiom of _picking yourself up by your bootstraps_ was an example created by Samuel Smalls in his 1848 book _Self Help_ to illustrate an impossible action. Nobody can do this.
@jackdeath
Жыл бұрын
@BARF just as impossible. Get your boots and take a long look at those straps. You can barely fit your finger in them let alone your neck.
@itsyedino874
Жыл бұрын
How ironic, and now people are saying it everywhere as if it’s a possible task. Wow.
@jackdeath
Жыл бұрын
@@itsyedino874 People understood the expression "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" to mean "attempting to do something absurd" until roughly the 1920s, at which point it started to evolve toward the current understanding: to do something without any outside help. But that's like digging yourself out of a hole, which is also absurd. Go ahead: put on some boots, grab the straps, and try to pull yourself off the ground. You won't manage to "pull yourself up" in any meaningful sense because gravity is a thing that keeps us firmly on the ground. You can't pull yourself up by your bootstraps, and thinking you can is fantasy.
@itsyedino874
Жыл бұрын
How interesting, thank you, @@jackdeath
@VenstaMusic
Жыл бұрын
@@jackdeath Thank you for sharing this, I had no clue about the etymology of the expression. The mo' you know!
@coaxill4059
Жыл бұрын
"If you don't buy IQ, you might as well throw out the rest of psychology" Me keeping up with developments in modern psych: lol ok, we can do that.
@squishykotetsu
Жыл бұрын
if you take it to mean "the other outdated, oversimplified garbage he believes" then yuuuup, out with that shite. And beyond that, there's so many instances where he just misses the point of more modern psychological studies that you truly have to wonder what he even thinks psychology IS
@happygucci5094
Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 🎯
@dieSpinnt
Жыл бұрын
I am very intelligent, but also stinking lazy. Otherwise this comment could've been a masterpiece (as an analogy for Peterson's "bigger IQ = better proficiency" claim). This directly destroys Peterson's laughably narrow-sighted worldview (which his "theory of IQ" actually is). The lazy part: Come to your own conclusions, can you?! Other living contradictions we cannot ignore: Elon Musk and Donald Trump. They are at the top of the income pyramid and are part of the best payed/richest people of this world. Oh and they are actual idiots. Not only literally but in the medical sense of the word!
@stanleyklein524
11 ай бұрын
That stance make no sense. Peterson is an academic fraud.
@eyebrid
11 ай бұрын
It really puts JP's "expertise" in question.
@disfuncionexe
Жыл бұрын
“IQ is predictive of success” My school tested my IQ to screen for intellectual disability’s because of my dysgraphia and my family’s history of ADHD. I scored 135 and I have gotten Ds in nearly all of my classes since my sophomore year. If you look at my comment history (please don’t look at comments I made when I was 16 oh god) and talk to me you wouldn’t guess I scored 135 on an IQ test. IQ tests are the phrenology of the 21st century.
@dickwellington8578
Жыл бұрын
I have ADHD as well, I scored in the 99th percentile of GATE (California’s testing for gifted and talented children) I routinely got f’s except for P.E LOL. I remember telling teachers I was in GATE and them not believing me. I remember my freshmen science teacher pulling me aside after class and telling me he knew how intelligent I was and that he really wanted me to do better in school, it’s something that’s always stuck with me. Somebody actually believing in me for once.
@viktorthevictor6240
Жыл бұрын
Wait, how do you look at someone else's comment history?
@disfuncionexe
Жыл бұрын
@@viktorthevictor6240 IDK but I hope you cant. the shit I said when I was 15...
@viktorthevictor6240
Жыл бұрын
@@disfuncionexe 😰
@Player-pj9kt
11 ай бұрын
Veritasium made a video on how suceess (measured by income) is not correlated by iq
@jmv333
2 жыл бұрын
I was one of those classically 'gifted but arrogant' undiagnosed ASD kids at the age going into high school, and I remember getting an IQ score of 124 and being so mad that I didn't get a 'genius' score (140), so I took another test, and another, and another, I googled tips & tricks, I practised over and over and over because I needed so badly to be my dumb kid idea of 'clever'. Eventually I managed to get a score of 161, a jump from the 7th percentile to the 0.007th, in no more than a couple months. Considering that I am also a total idiot, then if that story doesn't prove how little merit IQ tests have, then idk what does, love the vid!
@christopherrushdudley
2 жыл бұрын
I scored a 160+ in middle school and have f'd up, destroyed, and pretty much ruined almost everything I've touched in life ever since, always thinking I was smarter than everyone and it was their fault. I'd trade 50 IQ points for a few emotional points.
@peachy_lili
2 жыл бұрын
@@christopherrushdudley that's too real. I score high too, but I don't have the sense god gave a tapeworm. ADHD doesn't help, but overall.. I am a paradoxical trashfire of smarts and bad decisions
@bills.prestonesq.5905
2 жыл бұрын
A mate of mine got into Mensa this way, God knows what he felt he had to prove. Of course this story is much sadder because he was a 25 year old man at the time, not a kid.
@wl9162
2 жыл бұрын
I score incredibly high on IQ tests and yet I nearly failed math in high school a couple times lol -- IQ doesn't even necessarily correlate with applicable academic proficiency all the time, and that's something people like Peterson and other IQ proponents really like to gloss over a whole lot...
@pipzog389
2 жыл бұрын
Thats because you practised it, no shit you got better
@quantheory
2 жыл бұрын
Jordan Peterson: "I had a client who spent his disability paycheck on drugs every single time. This 100% definitely happened, and also it's the disability program's fault, while poor little old psychologist me did nothing."
@PrettyPinkPeacock
Жыл бұрын
It's such a lazy answer too. Even if the money seemed to cause the drugs, was the client actually okay whilst totally skint? Absolutely not and any basic understanding of addiction would tell you that. Maybe his money could be better managed but it doesn't mean no money was a solution! So binary.
@KSJAFN
Жыл бұрын
He was also ashamed, horrified and repentant after being "completely dead".
@edwardcampbell8807
Жыл бұрын
So what should he have done? Did he have power of attorney?
@kaemincha
Жыл бұрын
right??? like some good ole DBT might have helped there but nope, Jordan just lets em die ig
@AmandaHugandKiss411
Жыл бұрын
Peterson has spoken about his addiction with benzoy. He basically blamed everything about it and doesn't recognize his own role in it I.e. he works in the medical field and yet claims he was unaware of the potential addiction to this classification of medications. He went to a number of clinics but didn't like the idea that he had to do the work including dealing with withdrawal. He said he looked online for a better program. Then with his wealth flew to somewhere in Russia that at a extreme cost, paid to be put into a medical induced coma.... Seriously, look it up and watch some of his interviews on the subject. A few of them he burst into tears....conveniently.
@thegrimpaipear
3 ай бұрын
What I love is how conservatives use the phrase "pick yourself up by your bootstraps" despite the fact the phrase was originally created as an impossibility, because you physically cannot pick yourself up by your bootstraps
@xhappybunnyx
2 ай бұрын
I'll tell ya, I whipped out this factoid once in my life and the person who I told it to just stumbled their way right past the point and into further nonsensical mumblings. Went about as well as I thought it would, but it felt good giving them some resistance.
@Dock284
Жыл бұрын
I took an actual IQ test (not one of those cheap online courses) and my IQ is something like 75-80 within that general range but I'm doing great in life. I'm not the smartest man alive but I can do everything that people with 100 IQ can.
@mr.sandman7587
10 ай бұрын
@@Fatb0ybadb0y how does this count as dunning kruger? he's just using a personal anecdote to attack the credibility of IQ tests, which deserve all the attack they get. i don't see how he's claiming expertise or competence on a topic he isn't knowledgable in.
@shadenox8164
9 ай бұрын
@@Fatb0ybadb0y Uh no, no it is not. But you have helpfully demonstrated IQ is no substitute for learning what something is.
@randomusername1735
7 ай бұрын
Don't underestimate yourself just because a very questionable test says your number was lower than average
@Vivo119-jf4pp
17 күн бұрын
Nice
@DanielBrice7f58a6
2 жыл бұрын
So, this is what I'm hearing: if it's genuinely the case that there are very few jobs for people with IQs below 85, then that's the best possible case I've ever heard for Universal Basic Income.
@unrightist
Жыл бұрын
But you're coming out at it from the perspective of wanting a society that allows for every person to exist comfortably, whereas Petersen wants a society where everyone* needs to struggle, and those who can't reach comfort don't deserve it. *everyone who doesn't happen to be born rich or extremely lucky
@Julius064
Жыл бұрын
But then the poors will breed!
@JonMartinYXD
Жыл бұрын
Experiments with UBI have also destroyed Peterson's claim that poor people can't manage money. It turns out that living in poverty is brutally efficient at teaching people the value of a dollar.
@kylegonewild
Жыл бұрын
@@JonMartinYXD People conflate a willingness to choose short-term comfort while living a hellish life every once in a while with an inability to even evaluate their situation and make hard decisions. It's elitism through and through.
@terawatt1
Жыл бұрын
if you listen closely to what he doesn't say when he goes on about how hard it is to do anything and how nothing may be possible to be done, you can hear "we should euthanize the dumb, so us elites can profit even more"
@Hyper_1989
2 жыл бұрын
I actually died laughing when you cut to him in a completely quiet room followed by him saying "free speech" as if he hadn't slept for a whole week.
@cuzned1375
2 жыл бұрын
RIP
@connorsullivan1855
2 жыл бұрын
I had the same response. I felt like it was the start of some interpretive stage show, where he is going to start dancing or other people are going to come out and act out a scene behind him, but nope it's him dramatically explaining a very basic conversative idea.
@J5L5M6
2 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, I giggled my silly ass off. Now you're dead and I'm assless.
@randyohm3445
2 жыл бұрын
For a second I wondered if my browser had crashed. I guess he fell asleep standing up, woke up, didn't remember what he was there to say, and just blurted out the first thing that came to mind. :D
@aquelajuno9701
2 жыл бұрын
LMAO same 💀💀💀
@Elfos64
9 ай бұрын
Most people who say they believe in personal responsibility think that just means "everyone needs to hold themselves accountable for their own lot in life without unfairly blaming others", but responsibility also necessarily means "everyone needs to hold themselves (and each other) accountable for how their actions negatively affect others- intentionally or not, individually and collectively". People tend to forget the latter part.
@renendell
Жыл бұрын
It's just eugenics wearing a mustache and a funny hat.
@greyfox4838
2 жыл бұрын
the thing with Peterson is that he really impresses centrist pseudointellectuals because he does this thing where he finds problems with everyone including conservatives, he says "these people who are trying to find solutions aren't smart enough to realize the problem is complicated" and everyone claps him for it, failing to see all he has said is that the problem is complicated and offers no complicated solution himself, he is contrarian for the sake of it and never says anything meaningful if you look carefully
@Kitty-the-Bunny
2 жыл бұрын
I know this is not the point but I like your icon
@immortalituss
2 жыл бұрын
and how do you measure genetic influences on genetics then? We knkw west africans have genetic predisposition for sprinting
@greyfox4838
2 жыл бұрын
@@immortalituss I don't want to crap on you, you're probably high, but I find it hilarious that I say "Peterson is contrarian and doesn't offer solutions" and your response to that is "how do we measure genetic influence on genetics?" I have no idea what you're on, cocaine maybe. But my response to you is: how do we measure scientific influence on science? Hmm?
@immortalituss
2 жыл бұрын
@@greyfox4838 i meant genetic influence on intelligence, sorry mistyped
@bathroomsexmurder
2 жыл бұрын
@@immortalitusslol wtf
@GarryDumblowski
2 жыл бұрын
The sad thing is, Peterson is touching on a genuine problem here, that there are disabled people who can't get jobs because their superiors are unwilling to provide them the tools they need to function. But, of course, instead of phrasing his argument in terms of "People have different needs and those needs don't take away from their worth and right to live a comfortable life", he phrases his argument in terms of "Some people are inherently better than others"
@thisisthewaterandthisisthe3254
2 жыл бұрын
Honestly disgusting 😔 He is so lame
@jeanpaulmichell7243
2 жыл бұрын
Worse than that, when Peterson says that there is nothing but NOTHING these people can contribute and NOTHING can be done about it, there is an ominous subtext to his statement; like society may have to send these reprobates off to an internment camp or some such. No way to profit off this demographic, they might as well be disposed of. It's this undertone to Peterson's words that comes across as creepy. He is a weird, conflicted man.
@taylorchapman7860
2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention the assumption that everyone should be participating as a worker in the capitalist system… There are so many ways to generate value that don’t rely on being a cog in that machine. Besides, if everyone feels like they have to work long painful shifts in 20 years, then what the heck is the point of all this “technological progress” anyway…
@zzzaaayyynnn
2 жыл бұрын
his ellipsis after stating the supposed issue leaves open the idea that we don't "need" these people...
@pantalaemon
2 жыл бұрын
yeah, and he does so because deep down he's not at all convinced that disability doesn't take away from people's worth and right to live a comfortable life. As evidence i submit the fact that he frequently talks to and is comfortable being on the same platform as nazis like stefan molyneux. (And before anyone makes the "well he's just not afraid of different ideas" argument; when's the last time you've seen JBP on an anarchist talkshow?)
@christiananderson142
Жыл бұрын
Pulling yourself up by your bootstraps is *literally* *impossible.* Why do people keep repeating this phrase?! The level of unintentional irony in using that phrase as an synonym for "effort," is so high, it gives me nosebleeds.
@leeloo6676
Жыл бұрын
Sometimes I'm convinced JP got his liscence from a cereal box, because I can't imagine how he actually managed to convince someone he could be a psychiatrist. Also, I love how Joel points out that Jordan says that the snake symbols were inspired by DNA strands, when in fact, it just looks like snakes fucking. Brilliant. Tells you how much the man "thinks" about stuff.
@austinwinstead6543
2 жыл бұрын
Jordan Peterson’s assertion that “IQ is the metric that determines if someone is good and/or capable of anything” is essentially just eugenics. I am shocked that a University ever let him teach.
@joshuahitchins1897
2 жыл бұрын
There's a reason he says "there isn't a good solution" because he damn well knows what final solution he is gesturing towards.
@lord125000
2 жыл бұрын
The funny thing is, I recently watched a video that did an analysis on JBP (I can't remember the video off the top of my head) but it went a bit on how he got into being a professor at the University of Toronto. He got referred for the position from another prof there that had a really good impression from a speach or presentation that he did, saying it helped him in his personal life. Then after Peterson started teaching and students were like" He chamged my life and stuff" and the guy that reffered him saw that JP was a really good motivatinal coach and stuff, but he didn't really teach the subject of psychology very well to the stundents. They came out of the class more as if they went to a Tony Robbins speach or similar. If I remember the video I'll link it here.
@camelopardalis84
2 жыл бұрын
@@lord125000 Are you talking about the fairly recent Some More News video on him?
@camelopardalis84
2 жыл бұрын
Even if you want to buy into it: An IQ of below 85 (or 87, as shown in the list of jobs) is ridiculously high for someone to be considered incapable of doing any kind of useful job. I've both worked as a cleaner and spent a significant amount of time around people who have IQs of between 50 and 85. An IQ of 50 is absolutely compatible with working a useful job. In some cases, these jobs would need to be adjusted (less unwarranted "I don't need to show you how to do your job, I am not responsible for it, just do it" in situation where it is extremely unclear what the "obvious" way to do that job could be and with which very intelligent people struggle just as much if not more), and in some cases you could leave them exactly as they are (or make them a bit more challenging, to prevent bore-out).
@camelopardalis84
2 жыл бұрын
Also, since when is it actually necessary for everybody to work? So much nonsense work is being done. You could easily make the cut-off at an IQ of 100 and say that everybody with a lower IQ (and below the age of, say, 20) is forbidden to work, and still end up with a perfectly functional society.
@brianp3570
2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: "Jordan Peterson" is the correct way to pronounce the word "eugenics" in a Toronto accent
@paulsmart4672
2 жыл бұрын
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@killerkitten7534
Жыл бұрын
Peterson reminds me of those kids in class who would take a 5 minute IQ test online and base their whole being on it.
@gavinthejanitor
11 ай бұрын
took some random online iq test the other week and got ~130, guess i'm off to law school, jordan peterson really has changed my life
@katyungodly
2 жыл бұрын
The fact that people find Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro intelligent tells you a lot about our society. It's theatrical intellect.
@inefffable
2 жыл бұрын
Or they're just great actors. I think it's pretty easy to fall for a well-crafted con when you aren't suspecting it.
@facelessdrone
2 жыл бұрын
@@inefffable its pretty easy to see through, too, if you genuinely consider their words... and besides all that, their cadences are equal to nails on a fucking chalk board, they exude annoying egotistical frat-boys best friend energy. They were praised as kids for being mature Their age and then rode that high for the rest of their lives and carreers.
@inefffable
2 жыл бұрын
@@facelessdrone definitely easy to see through, I agree. I think that's why we see a lot of people get out of the pipeline and realize "wow I actually nodded along to this guy?" I just think if you are unsuspecting/assuming positive intent and in a mindset of giving the benefit of the doubt (generally how I think people tend to operate, myself included, esp in comfort of own home browsing The Internet), it's easy to get sucked in. Hope you have a nice day :)
@aeririahelmold
2 жыл бұрын
They are obviously intelligent people its just that they reach crazy conclusions for whatever reason
@polydynamix7521
2 жыл бұрын
Well I think it's relatively speaking. College educated right wing extremist is the 2nd rarest specimen of conservative- right behind conservative comedians.
@KingoftheJuice18
2 жыл бұрын
The more I watch analysis of JBP, the more I just want to say, "Jordan, who hurt you and how?" I mean, for a psychologist, Jordan's lack of reflection on his own rage is kind of shocking. Here's a man who literally said that he would rather die than be "forced" to use someone's chosen pronouns.
@zzzaaayyynnn
2 жыл бұрын
Right. He is full of rage. And is raging even more now that he has some real fame.
@KaritKtana
2 жыл бұрын
💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
@luna-p
2 жыл бұрын
The three people he s3xually harrassed, by reporting him would be my guess.
@christaylor9095
2 жыл бұрын
He outright publicly states that men should be monsters....
@luna-p
2 жыл бұрын
@@christaylor9095 Oh, but he didn't really mean that, you're taking him out of context 🤪🤪🤪 /ssssss
@Kraaketaer
4 ай бұрын
That free speech/listening argument falls flat for not only the reasons you (excellently) pointed out here, but also for the simple reason that it presupposes that all actors are always acting in good faith. Which, well, they aren't. And it's pretty difficult, given Peterson's politics, to not see this as a backhanded, preventative defense of the typical bad-faith arguing tactics used by his ideological allies, essentially trying to guilt his opponents into thinking they have a moral obligation to not refuse to listen to trolls but to engage with them as if they're trying to have a good faith discussion. It's all BS, all the way down.
@DarkSideOfTheBrightSide
4 ай бұрын
Exactly, giving those trolls respect, and time, to argue against horrible takes & bigoted rhetoric, has done nothing but make the trolls relevant- nobody wins, or even changes their stance.. they just become a name, and face, more ppl on that side recognize.
@lilstevechan8427
2 ай бұрын
You nailed it. Peterson associates with a LOT of bad faith actors who just want to push a conservative agenda, so his requirement that all actors must be listened to as a precondition opens the door for bullshit to be blown through a megaphone.
@Palindrone-lj3fo
Жыл бұрын
My parents told me my IQ is in the low 140s, which is perfect because I can almost understand the plot of most Rick and Morty episodes. Thanks genetics!
@AndyBestHP
2 жыл бұрын
Seeing these clips of him lecturing help me understand how he developed his idea of students as entitled or complaining etc. and why he joined the "PC has gone mad" lot: he somehow became a college prof through some broken system, despite being deranged. Then a bright, young and motivated new-gen of students get into the college and show up for their first lecture "wow, we made it, academia" .. and it's Peterson saying 'IQ testing is actually 100% real and people who score less than 87 cannot even dig a ditch, and we need to 'do' something about them' ... and the students are like 'what the actual f-ck' and legitimately think they have wasted their life working to get into a college program, then they question him or complain to staff. lol.
@anone.mousse674
2 жыл бұрын
Speaking personally, if I was in Peterson's class and he started saying that we need to 'do something' about low-IQ people, I'd just say "You mean by doing eugenics? Because that's what you're implying."
@synthstatic9889
2 жыл бұрын
“It’s disgusting of you to say I was implying the very thing I was implying! How dare you!” Also, do we have a name for this rhetorical trick?
@anone.mousse674
2 жыл бұрын
@@synthstatic9889 I call it The Name Blame Game, aka the "Stop calling everyone you disagree with a Nazi" defense.
@FTZPLTC
2 жыл бұрын
I would kind of like to see a lecture by him - ideally one where he doesn't think he's being filmed. Because based on these isolated clips, it seems like he lectures the same way he gives interviews; and if that's the case, that'd be completely useless to any actual student. Either way, a lecturer using the words "self-evident" is earning deep suspicion and scepticism.
@DMO-DMO-DMO
2 жыл бұрын
@@FTZPLTC "self evident" is the professorial version of "it's just common sense" lol
@tos100returns
2 жыл бұрын
I took an IQ test and scored very well. And yet, I am unemployable because I've committed the crime of being over 50 years of age. The system is broken.
@dolfuny
Жыл бұрын
Truly an unforgivable crime lol
@bestaround3323
Жыл бұрын
How dare you be over 50? You clearly need life in prison to straighten that issue out.
@SourEggz
4 ай бұрын
I feel like anytime someone is hyper focused on IQ and how it is an accurate indicator of people’s place in society- it starts sounding like a precursor to their eugenics speech.
@Bridge2110
3 ай бұрын
If you think, just because someone talks about a trait which predicts stuff like income, etc, that they must therefore want to manipulate this, that's a you problem. Also, I realize the irony of this, but if you support laws against incest, you support eugenic laws, so it's not like eugenics is bad anyway. You just have an emotional reaction to the word.
@greg6500
3 ай бұрын
"How dare you question Darwin"- Jordan Peterson, Whos friends are mostly creationists.
@Zahaqiel
2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, Jordan "It's impossible to train people to be creative, adaptive thinkers" Peterson. A psychological inspiration for the ages - the only psychologist who's willing to tell you he can't make you a better person, even while he sells books telling you he can make you a better person. It's that creative, adaptive thinking of his that does it. You just can't teach that! And neither can he.
@vaiyt
2 жыл бұрын
The idea is that YOU,who's primed to believe him, are special person material, while THEY who don't are hopeless idiots. It's nothing but the same flattery tactic that gives us Randroids.
@Mieze0503
2 жыл бұрын
Gold
@milofitness7726
Жыл бұрын
His book is about fixing your life not about being more adaptive and creative this point doesnt make sense
@Zahaqiel
Жыл бұрын
@@milofitness7726 And how does a non-creative, non-adaptive person fix their life exactly? How does one non-creatively, non-adaptively figure out what in their life is "broken"? How does someone take some very generic BS (admittedly wrapped up in some creatively adapted BS to hide how very, painfully generic it is) and apply it to their life without some level of creativity and adaptability? Then again, JP doesn't even follow his own books, so I guess the answer is that they don't. But perhaps you begin to see the point.
@hambospictures
Жыл бұрын
Hahaha one of the best jokes/points I have ever heard
@grizcuz
2 жыл бұрын
I think it was in the second year of my psych degree when someone asked a lecturer if childhood IQ scores was a good determinant of adult success. Her reply was that IQ alone didn't map to the highest scores being the most successful. There's far too many other variables at play for it to be a simple positive correlation. Then she said something that I've always remembered and this was 30 years ago. "There's people who could easily complete a doctorate sleeping on a park bench and people who can barely read or write that are multimillionaires".
@r_se
2 жыл бұрын
i dont think he would argue that its the only variable or that smart poor people dont exist. and you should probably google what a correlation is. but jp does (to varying degrees of intentionality) make it easy for his audience to misconstrue simple facts in support of reacrionary talking points. if you take time to dig into him you'll find fairly liberal (not speaking about the american democratic liberal sense of the word), moderate, right leaning views on social issues, but he presents things in such a way that his audience will generally use his videos, books, etc. to support more radical views.
@grizcuz
2 жыл бұрын
@@r_se I know perfectly well just what a correlation is, thank you very much. Nobody with any expertise in anything that he takes a position on treats what he says as worthy of taking into account. He's the intellectual for people who don't know what they're talking about, pretty much like you by the sound of it.
@johnnygoodman2003
2 жыл бұрын
IQ was invented by the French public school system to justify giving foreign students in France a lower quality education system than French born students.
@nfzeta128
2 жыл бұрын
@@r_se "but he presents things in such a way that his audience will generally use his videos, books, etc. to support more radical views." That's because that's their purpose and always has been. His entire line of thinking leads to right wing radical views. Any liberal lean is completely surface level and pretty much a mirage.
@youtubespag
2 жыл бұрын
@@r_se just look at him now
@elijahplummer3655
2 ай бұрын
If you don’t buy IQ research you might as well throw out the rest of psychology” is such a deeply absurd statement
@Bridge2110
2 ай бұрын
Not really. It is the area with the highest statistical power and replication rates. By any metric you use to throw out IQ research, you would have to throw out basically everything else in psychology, because almost everything doe worse by any metric.
@elijahplummer3655
Ай бұрын
@@Bridge2110 Give me a study with said statistical power and replication rates and ill provide you with several of the same or greater in a different arena of psychology. Psychology is such a vast field and to say IQ has the highest is absurd. Are we taking p-values at a certain alpha level, Confidence Intervals, Covariance, correlation coefficients, or types of validity-external, internal, construct, statistical? Many things drive replication rates and so far researchers have concluded IQ is not a complete construct that universally constitutes intelligence. I’ll wait
@maemorri
4 ай бұрын
I think what's interesting about Peterson's disgust is that he insists that Yumi Nu being ugly is an objective fact. Yet when asked to define he pivots to "Her body is not athletic and it is not healthy." How interesting that he pivoted from beauty which is subjective to athletic and healthy, which are somewhat more objective. But tons of models are anorexic and unhealthily thin. Peterson doesn't criticize that. I don't see swimsuit models winning a softball or soccer game. I don't think Peterson would have been pleased to see Brittany Griner rocking that cover photo. Peterson immediately pivots from attractive to other more objective traits to insist that he is the objectively correct one, and yet his argument is completely irrelevant.
@IgN5P
2 жыл бұрын
"Other people aren't the problem" - bullies are not the problem - systemic failures are not the problem - rapists are not the problem - abusers are not the problem - the biases and failings of MDs and other elements in the system are not the problem "You are the problem!" - Jordan Peterson
@ernestoacosta7918
2 жыл бұрын
He’s a neoliberal, everything is your own fault, mostly the failings that are not in your control
@theultimatereductionist7592
2 жыл бұрын
@@ernestoacosta7918 F this "neoliberal" BS. He's a neocon/conservative /rightwing extremist hypocrite.
@theultimatereductionist7592
2 жыл бұрын
Then JP cannot say criminals or terrorists or protestors or violent protestors are a problem, or Antinatalists like me trying to outlaw people having kids, or the IPCC, or climate activists, or animal rights vegans like myself trying to shut down factory farms.
@SpydrXIII
2 жыл бұрын
yes, jordan peterson IS the problem.
@user-ix9lx4sp1z
2 жыл бұрын
I'm 14 and this is deep bro
@chelsgo8675
2 жыл бұрын
Ever since I watched Shaun's video on The Bell Curve, any time I hear someone bring up IQ my brain instinctively waits for them to bring up racial differences. And given enough time, they'll do it almost without fail.
@MCArt25
Жыл бұрын
It's the "I'm not racist, but..." of social science
@DeathnoteBB
Жыл бұрын
The funny thing is, if there are “racial” differences, the actual difference is culture. Standardized tests are apparently harder for people outside a very specific culture.
@sneakyjeeves5785
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, totally, me too. I'm always waiting for something eugenics-y.
@Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh
Жыл бұрын
@@sneakyjeeves5785 Yep! Always reminds me of phrenology too.
@KingBobXVI
Жыл бұрын
I know you're just covering your bases with the "almost" in there, but I really don't feel like it's necessary, lol
@brunobucciaratiswife
Жыл бұрын
“Adam Ruins Everything” does a great job debunking IQ tests, including going back to their history! It’s a great watch and I recommend it for sure.
@TheBonkleFox
Жыл бұрын
I know Shaun also has his video on "The bell curve."
@sashakruezhev9555
Жыл бұрын
You mean the guy who embarassed himself on JRE? If his show is as poorly researched with strong beliefs as what he previously demonstrated I don't think it's a good source of debunking anything.
@confustled
10 ай бұрын
@@sashakruezhev9555they have a team of researchers and they always put their sources onscreen. they even did an episode once that pointed out and corrected a couple mistakes they made in the past.
@nimrodery
2 ай бұрын
@@sashakruezhev9555 "the guy who embarassed himself on JRE" sorry, could you narrow that down?
@sashakruezhev9555
22 күн бұрын
@@nimrodery Adam Conover brutally lost the argument regarding trans athletes having unfair advantage over other athletes. When confronted by Joe about the fact that years of testosterone still have tremendous amount of effect on physique and muscle strength and thus giving unfair advantage over other "women", Adam replied "well there are levels of playing field we can talk about" not actually addressing "Women" that are formerly ripped men just dominating sports like wrestling and swimming. This enough?
@kotyrollins
Жыл бұрын
Also that "fat" woman isnt fat at all, and incredibly hot, just saying.
@DDub04
4 ай бұрын
Those things aren’t mutually exclusive. She is both.
@guaranteedtopwn
2 ай бұрын
no she is fat actually you don't need to lie.
@christopherkapeleris5216
Жыл бұрын
I love how Big Joel has just grown more and more to look like an ancient Greek philosopher over the past years
@zawrator4457
Жыл бұрын
Now he just needs to get ripped like crazy.
@anghusmorgenholz1060
Жыл бұрын
He does look like he just peeled himself off of some cracked vase.
@Communistbaconeater
Жыл бұрын
@@zawrator4457 or move into a local barrel
@theviewer6889
Жыл бұрын
I was I a family iq test as a toddler, where me and my mum were tested. Based on what my mum said, the two of us did far far better than was predicted compared to our social class and family education history. The reason? My mum travelled as a young adult, she saved for years to backpack across europe and the USA. She fully admits that the only reason she could answer half of these questions was cause she learned while travelling. And, as an overly curious child, she taught me stuff. Basically, the test was far easier to pass if you were upper class and had taken a European centric education. I.E. it was really crappy science. If it had instead had a far heavier knowledge focuse on things more common in the working class, like local info, trade skills, etc. then it would have produced entirely different results.
@tomislavnekic5306
Жыл бұрын
Did you ever see a question from the IQ test? What has "backpacking Europe" got anything to do with it?
@pissapocalypse
Жыл бұрын
@@tomislavnekic5306 Their mom backpacked through Europe and the iq test was apparently centered around European knowledge, so that's why they scored well.
@theviewer6889
Жыл бұрын
@@tomislavnekic5306 UK based IQ test had an upper middle class European focus. That bias gave my fam an advantage. Granted, this was almost 20 years ago so things have probably changed since then, but based on what I've seen, there is still a bias against knowledge morr commonly held by immigrants and working class folk.
@angeloskoulas3988
Жыл бұрын
@@theviewer6889 But the IQ test is just math and logic puzzles, how does traveling places help you? I get that it can help you indirectly by making you more curious and more likely to study, but not directly.
@mikegribanov6105
Жыл бұрын
@@angeloskoulas3988 took an iq test as a child and one of the questions was based on a pattern that my aunt taught me about as part of a puzzle game we played a week earlier. Literally if I had not played that puzzle game or taken the test a week earlier, I would have got it wrong. So this shows that it's not based on innate ability
@kensley8502
Жыл бұрын
Why does Jordan Peterson sound more like a preacher than a lecturer
@LlamaOccident
Жыл бұрын
I love the idea of Stalin trying to force Jordan Peterson to be attracted to fat women in some weird body positivity fun house gulag.
@liamking5142
2 жыл бұрын
It is extraordinary how long I was able to be a fan of Jordan Peterson's early lectures, assuming he was talking in good faith and that the problems he raised were meant in the spirit of improving people's wellbeing, like an actual lecturer in psychology concerned with the question of meaning whose solution to nihilism was "orient away from Nazi death camps." Hearing him say "10% of the population have trouble with the complexity of modern occupations and we haven't done anything to address this" back in 2015: damn straight, we need to revolutionise work and make it less needlessly bullshit. Hearing him say it now, in an interview with Stefan Molyneux, and go "I don't have a solution": god damn, it's going to be death camps, isn't it.
@randyohm3445
2 жыл бұрын
It's a fair bet that any time a conservative raises a problem but doesn't want to talk about solutions, it's because their preferred solution is too monstrous to say in public and they want you to draw that conclusion on your own so they can maintain deniability.
@kevinsantillans7415
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, considering the public he has this guy' ideas are dangerous.
@mjcrom
2 жыл бұрын
Be fair, it might not be eugenicist death camps… it might be eugenicist sterilization programs.
@Scootfairy
2 жыл бұрын
I agree. When Jordan said 10-15% can’t contribute to society, but I don’t “have a solution”, it does sound like, “I can’t say the solution out loud but if you’re a white supremisist, you know what I mean, wink wink.”
@valentine2911
2 жыл бұрын
He is the warm-up act for Final Solution 2
@phaerlax
2 жыл бұрын
I like it when big joel is challenged by insane tweets
@sista363
2 жыл бұрын
OMG i thought you are AOC😭😭
@phaerlax
2 жыл бұрын
I'm her cousin ey
@KAOST1ST1C-FN
2 жыл бұрын
@@sista363 All women on the left look the same.
@sista363
2 жыл бұрын
@@KAOST1ST1C-FN yeah. They look like ✨QUEENS ✨. Beautiful smart and they slay
@KAOST1ST1C-FN
2 жыл бұрын
@@sista363 that's right.
@cameron8772
Жыл бұрын
iq is kinda crazy when you think about what factors into how someone preforms on tests. i have taken iq test and scored high(130-135), and other times i’ve scored lower (90-110). the world is more complicated than tests and its sad we hammer this into kids
@d.lan3y
Жыл бұрын
you just KNOW that jordan peterson would become a phrenologist so quickly if he didn't know it would ruin his reputation
@Gh0sb0ss
2 жыл бұрын
When asked in a 2004 interview with The New York Times what his IQ is, Stephen Hawking gave a curt reply: "I have no idea. People who boast about their IQ are losers."
@adamoutaleb7571
Жыл бұрын
ahh yes lets ask a physicist a psychological question and take his answer as truth
@fpedrosa2076
Жыл бұрын
@@adamoutaleb7571 1st - I think you mean 'psychology question' rather than 'psychological question'. The 1st is a question regarding psychology, the 2nd is a question that affects the asked person mentally or psychologically. 2nd - Most actual psychologists don't see IQ scores as a big deal either, and certainly not indicative of intelligence.
@mohamedwalidoutaleb4970
Жыл бұрын
@@fpedrosa2076 hi it’s me on another account 1. yes this is what I meant 2. Every psychologists you’ll go too will use iq test to help diagnosis with adhd, autism, nvld, learning disabilities
@Gh0sb0ss
Жыл бұрын
@@adamoutaleb7571 i'm sorry but im pretty sure stephen hawking was smarter than you or I will ever be
@adamoutaleb7571
Жыл бұрын
@@Gh0sb0ss YeS because einstein beileved in a god god is real
@knastvogel
2 жыл бұрын
Jordan Peterson is the regular conservative person's idea of a smart person.
@Clipzilla42
2 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/1IBs2aSNrpugeZw Can’t wait for SnA to dissect this video hoo boy
@kyledesilva1589
Жыл бұрын
No, he's roped even relatively moderate or even progressive minded people into believing he's smart. No, he's simply the dumb person's idea of a smart person. Dumb people will gravitate towards him from all walks of life.
@marxist-leninist-protagonist
Жыл бұрын
I used to think he was so smart because I couldn't understand a single point he'd make. Now I realize he simply never says anything worth listening to.
@rediz5557
Жыл бұрын
my dad would fall for this man's bullshit IMMEDIATELY lmao
@wildmooseking
10 ай бұрын
The more I hear Jordan Peterson talk, the more he sounds like a 19 year old r/atheism Libertarian who listens to Rage Against the Machine wrong and watched two Sargon of Akkad videos.
@stephanietuck9246
Жыл бұрын
Jordan Peterson is winking at eugenics with both eyes
@Dekubud
Жыл бұрын
As someone with a bachelor in Psychology and who was trained in psychometry... every one of my teachers warned us against using IQ as anything more than an academic success predictor. My psychology statistics teacher especially made sure to debunk The Bell Curve (without naming the book) during one of our first classes. This teacher trained us on administering an outdated version of the IQ test and one of our tasks was to point out where the test was lacking and how to account for it in our evaluation. IQ can be a useful metric to determine if someone is having a hard time learning and can sometimes give a bit of an indication as to why it's the case, but it's an incredibly faillible test that must be administered with a lot of care and its results read with even more care.
@MrCmon113
Жыл бұрын
>every one of my teachers warned us against using IQ as anything more than an academic success predictor Lol. What makes academic success different from everything else in the world? >IQ can be a useful metric to determine if someone is having a hard time learning Which a lot of people here are denying precisely just because of the attitude spread by your teachers. There is nothing academic about this, it's purely about giving in to social pressure. >but it's an incredibly faillible test that must be administered with a lot of care Bullshit. Compared to what? What test in psychometry is less "fallible"? It's measures the MOST reliable and meaningful quanity in all of psychometry, *g* .
@blvckdrako4334
Жыл бұрын
@@MrCmon113 academic success is way less affected by luck and way more affected by competence than the real world success I'm sure you know that
@popdop0074
Жыл бұрын
Academic success predictor? Maybe in some ways but would things like mental health problems or attention issues not significantly lower someone's academic success. Schooling sounds like more a predictor of effort than anything else.
@Griot.7294
Жыл бұрын
But doesn't your productivity, education and problem solving abilities have strong implications when it comes to the workplace?
@popdop0074
Жыл бұрын
@@Griot.7294 To a degree but these factors, I would assume, get less apparent as time goes on as people tend to get paid by wage and not by performance. Not to mention that there's just so many factors and every single one of them in a person's life will contribute in some way. Mental illness, relationships, family, substance misuse, or a myriad of other things would for sure impact work performance.
@DrakeCaliburn
2 жыл бұрын
Peterson: "You're poor because you're stupid." Me, someone who is unemployed with a masters in bio science and has an IQ of 145: "Hold on there. I think you are missing a lot of things." P.S. I know IQ doesn't mean jackshit but the fact that I am unemployed even though I have a Master's degree is probably more about the systemic stigma of disabled people (yes, I am wheelchair bound)
@isaganipalanca8803
2 жыл бұрын
I remember a pandering online site "estimating" IQ scores of celebrities giving Trump an IQ of 160...
@theomegajuice8660
2 жыл бұрын
@@isaganipalanca8803 Lol, I think they might have mixed that up with his cholesterol or his resting heart rate
@rockfire1669
2 жыл бұрын
Nah bro. If they bring out IQ, what right do they have to you for you to tell the truth. Like holy shit, if they are that high on their stuff BECAUSE of their IQ, see if they can even try to prove it.
@vladys5238
2 жыл бұрын
You don't have to respond but as a university chemistry student I am wondering do you have special accomodations to work in a lab or are you not doing lab work? Most apparatus i had to set up it's hard for me to imagine how someone in a wheelchair would do. Or is it that in bioscience most things you work with are level and can be done in a wheelchair?
@DrakeCaliburn
2 жыл бұрын
@@vladys5238 I went into human biology because I wanted to research how pollution affects people's health. I'm wheelchair bound because of the pollution where I grew up, so I've been trying to find a job in that field that could accommodate my disability. To be fair, I just graduated two months ago but having nothing to do is driving me insane. I do have a friend in the same field is working on getting me to be his research assistant, so it's not all bad. I'm just pointing out flaws in Peterson's logic with my own experiences
@winterkill1764
4 ай бұрын
I really wanna give you props for using the term political actor to describe jordan peterson. Him and SO many of these pundits are just that and acting like they are anything other than that gives them much more power than they should
@JinStreams
4 ай бұрын
Weirdly on a lot of this, I think Jordan Peterson is the only one that genuinely believes everything he says. And I mean that as a greater criticism of him.
@Youtube_is_Trash
Жыл бұрын
Jordan Peterson: 15% of the population is not intelligent enough to even hold a job :/ Also Jordan Peterson: Everyone can make good points 👉👈
@carrot-cat1746
2 жыл бұрын
I've seen cats less obsessed with boxes and fitting in them no matter the cost than Peterson.
@jeffengel2607
2 жыл бұрын
And at least they're cute doing it!
@Talentedtadpole
2 жыл бұрын
Ha ha ha!
@aleks5340
2 жыл бұрын
It’s so incredibly to me that JP can say “IQ is the biggest predictor of success” while completely ignoring the hundreds of studies that show that high IQ is associated with higher nutrition and better education in early age, stemming from wealth. Therefore the biggest predictor of success isn’t the high IQ but the fact that people with high IQs overwhelmingly tend to come from higher socioeconomic backgrounds, which is by far the bigger predictor of success. It’s such a simple and easy to see confounding factor, and I know he’s deliberately obfuscating this fact to support his own deranged obsession with IQ
@Nosliw837
2 жыл бұрын
I tried to explain this to a friend of mine about five years ago, almost exactly these words, and he would have none of it. He was one of those "I don't understand 'The Blacks', it must be their low IQs." But I guess racism doesn't make sense, so yeah. :(
@larrydewesse655
2 жыл бұрын
@@Nosliw837 it's part you're friend doesn't get it part we're taught meritocracy is a thing and that high IQ is passed down through selective breeding. We know that's not true but until you completely disprove meritocracy nothing will stick
@hammockcamping2500
2 жыл бұрын
There's a racial group in the United States for which having a SES at the 80th percentile is not enough to compete academically against the whites who are at the 20th percentile - however they excel at basketball.
@ckq
2 жыл бұрын
It's also kind of the other way around though. Higher IQ = better socioeconomic status. It's a chicken and egg type thing. Ppl like Peterson overstate it's value and others say it's completely useless. The truth is it's somewhere in between, it's kind of outdated and has some flaws but in general it does have some importance.
@hammockcamping2500
2 жыл бұрын
People with higher IQ make better decisions and choose to have better nutrition. And the Wilson effect shows that the older one gets the more IQ correlates to one's ancestry. One of the evidences for the Wilson effect is adoption studies which show that IQ becomes more correlated with one's ancestry the older they get and that folks in their early youth have an IQ that more strongly correlates with the quality of their environment..
@AnimatedLoopHD
Жыл бұрын
My IQ was 90 when I took it (10 years ago, age 23). I did well in high school, but I never went to college. And yet, I taught my self 2D and 3D animation and have worked on music videos and tour visuals for bands like Red Hot Chili Peppers, Incubus, Bad Bunny, and many more. I run an online animation studio and am completely financially self-sustained from it. But I have a poor IQ score. I'd like to hear Peterson's thoughts on this. From what I've read, IQ tests can be helpful at diagnosing some learning disabilities, but is it possible we put too much stock into these tests? What do they really measure? I suck at tests in general because I think long and hard about things. Tests prioritize quick problem solving skills and memorization. I'm slow to make decisions, but does this mean I'm dumb? People are different, and we shouldn't punish people for thinking differently. There's a theory of multiple intelligence, and many forms of intelligence can't be easily measured through standardized testing. Creativity operates on a different wave length. My personal life experience is a contradiction to Peterson's hypothesis that IQ predicts success. How many people have you heard of who brag about having a high IQ score and yet don't produce or do anything notable with that IQ. Saying you have a high IQ is just a fancy way to say you have high insecurity.
@Hostefar
Жыл бұрын
10 points off from the average makes way less of a difference than people think. And most people who brag about their iq just took a 10 minute online test anyway
@darkmatter9643
Жыл бұрын
an iq test does not measure intelligence, instead measures your aptitude in taking iq tests
@piprolling7303
Жыл бұрын
IQ changes with education, it is not an objective value of how “smart” you are
@eyesofthecervino3366
7 ай бұрын
Honestly I'd say thinking long and hard about things before reaching a conclusion is a type of thinking that's desperately needed these days. Way too many people reaching snap judgments and making unwise tweets because they believe they're being smart.
@DemonHDude
Жыл бұрын
From what I'm hearing his defensive of IQ is a defense of the hierarchical organization of society. In the defense of the idea that everyone in society has their place and shouldn't try to move out of where their place is. He's not offering solutions because he doesn't want anything to change, or a feels that there's nothing that can be done to change it, just leave those poor people to rot in their place in the hierarchy, where he feels they belong.
@mcarpen89
2 жыл бұрын
He words his arguments very cleverly to absolve himself of the burden of proof. 8:39 "The relationship between poverty and intelligence is self-evident if you're willing to think it through for any length of time." In other words, if this relationship he claims exists is NOT self-evident to you, you simply haven't thought about it enough.
@imnotnotgameiacmaniac5327
2 жыл бұрын
he does this so much its infuriating he always words it in a way that claims you are stupid of delusional if you don't agree with him without actually saying it
@inefffable
2 жыл бұрын
Really, the only credit I can give JP is that his words are clever, but, as you pointed out, it's not to provide clarity: it's only to obfuscate the points he wants to stay hidden/ignored. The fact he got so lost in the culture war over the last few years and exposed himself as an intellectual fraud was p hilarious to me.
@Mathee
2 жыл бұрын
So basically an Emperor's New Clothes argument: "Only people who are smart can see this; if you can't see this, it's because you're an idiot"
@paulsmart4672
2 жыл бұрын
It *is* self-evident if you're willing to consider it for any length of time, though. It's just that Peterson isn't willing.
@Graknorke
2 жыл бұрын
this proof is left as an exercise for the listener
@nalivai4862
2 жыл бұрын
I took two IQ tests in my life, one when I was a kid in a relatively poor family, in a country that just went through a revolution. My IQ was quite low at the time, according to the objective list presented by professor here, I was destined to be somewhere between mechanic and "factory production assembler". Later in life, my saint mother moved mountains to give me the ability to educate myself, (useless endeavor, according to esteemed professor, it's not like I can move stratas), our country got more stable and our financial situation got way better, and I took that test second time at the end of my uni. I got very high numbers this time, high enough to even maybe be a "Trainee" (really, professor, trainee? Just, like, in general?). Clearly all of this means that I am unique creature that could somehow defy my preexistent faith and jump from one group to another. I still don't know how it is possible, but as the only person on the planet who is able to do that, I think I need to be studied by the best iqologists out there. Maybe have my skull dimples measured or whatever real science they do
@bob-ng7ol
2 жыл бұрын
@@stephen1744 hasn’t thought of this cheers
@Junosensei
2 жыл бұрын
@@stephen1744 - I'm a geneticist and nothing of what you've said about this author or book sounds particularly controversial. It's also entirely possible we could, in time, learn about a non-zero innate genetic influence on IQ score. But IQ tests were created to evaluate a specific type of audience in a specific cultural and linguistic context, tailored to value certain cognitive skills _or_ ways of measuring those cognitive skills over others, meaning results are often self-fulfilling (eg. people who grow up in an environment that emphasizes verbal communication over numeric cognition are going to have an advantage in verbal IQ tests, but struggle with non-verbal IQ tests). We've never really been able to universally define "intelligence" outside of a very niche, culturally-specific context, so using IQ to determine this sounds like circular reasoning to me. It is also not particularly surprising that IQ tests can predict future "success" (which is the only angle it has been utilized in any meaningful way in science) because a lot of potential factors that influence IQ might also influence future success, but that doesn't mean IQ tests are useful for rating one's inherent genetic potential to become successful. Genetics alone cannot account for the multitude of variables that would affect cognition, intelligence, and/or success. IQ does have a few small uses in science, but they're very limited for this very reason.
@user-pd5ot4zd4b
2 жыл бұрын
@@stephen1744 I don't think the OP is trashing the notion that IQ has any predictive power, but he is making fun of the idea that a test taken at a specific time is an immutable predictor of future performance. The environment and resources available to the test taker prior to the test have been shown to impact the score. Peterson seems to throw his hands up and say, these folks are dumdums, hard problem, hand them a broom, while OP seems to suggest that policy changes could provide the environment that moves people closer to their natural limits. These "optimized" folks maybe get a wrench instead of a broom, live a better life, produce more, win -win, etc, blah blah. As far as I can tell, JP doesn't really address this possibility beyond scoffing at the idea of training a dumdum to be a software engineer, though I don't think anyone is suggesting that. I dunno, wicked tough problem man (throws hands up) :D
@psychicbyinternet
2 жыл бұрын
I think IQ tests are usually more based around education than intelligence so that would probably explain it.
@jo1stormlord
2 жыл бұрын
@@stephen1744 'Intelligence is highly heritable and predicts important educational, occupational and health outcomes better than any other trait.' Hard disagree. It is too wide a claim to be of any use. How do you define intelligence? How do you measure intelligence? How do you define educational, occupational and health outcomes? Also, there is a different sort of intelligence, like emotional intelligence or, for the lack of better word, physical intelligence. Some people are abstract thinkers. Other learn by doing. Anecdote time (I know you hate it because it is unscientific)! One of my best friends has only high school, economist vocation. His mother is college educated accountant. His father is high school educated metal worker. His sister has finished college as a technical designer. He might not have a college diploma and he might suck when it comes to math and calculations and, for the lack of better name, brute force problem solving. What he has instead is highly developed emotional intelligence. He is great at sales (including selling himself to an employer) and the way he solves a technical problem (for example, my MS Word document is out of alignment) is "try myself for half an hour, then call somebody else to fix it for me". Thus showing delegation and managerial skills. Now, if you took and measured his intelligence with a paper or online IQ test, you'll get a solid 93, maybe 97 IQ. But if you gave him oral test, his natural charisma and quick-wittedness would give you much higher score. He now works as business analyst and occasional tester, after years of successful career as a salesman. So, what would you say his intelligence is? What would you say are his occupational outcomes?
@D31taF0rc3
Жыл бұрын
Oh boy my eugenics alarm was going off this whole video and when you brought up his attitudes on race i cringed. Also he's completely ignoring the fact that most psychologists have completely thrown IQ out the window as a useful metric of study.
@asimplenight8220
Жыл бұрын
@DarkXSeries7 lmao
@bigbrothertw
Жыл бұрын
@darkxseries7 an iq test isnt a test you 'pass' you dolt, are you sure you aren't the one with a sub standard iq result?
@Redsky973
Жыл бұрын
@@bigbrothertwbro i failed the IQ test 💀
@donotlendbookstome7923
10 ай бұрын
Peterson’s criticism of Yumi Nu’s purported failure as an avatar of health and athleticism presumes that her predecessors in the role of Swimsuit Edition cover model were both those things; and if Peterson truly thinks that, he must not understand much about human physiology (which, granted, would explain the all-meat diet). When I think of Tyra Banks (for example) on the cover of Sports Illustrated’s swimsuit edition, I do not perceive her body in that photo to be particularly athletic, or particularly healthy. Ms. Banks was extremely thin in that photo (the only curves on her body were courtesy of surgical implants), and, as a person who has experience anorexia and ‘achieved’ that level of thinness, I can testify that it is general incompatible with both athleticism and health.
@sierrafarnum9689
Жыл бұрын
A popular phrase I've heard in my Psych BA and my research position which studies cognitive development is "intelligence is what intelligence tests measure". When testing for a construct, you want to know what the construct is first so that you can then make a valid test. The problem with intelligence is, no one really knows what it is. If you don't know how to define intelligence, how are you supposed to make a test with construct validity? IQ tests reveal how well you've done on the test, not necessarily how intelligent you are.
@susanatkinson3978
Жыл бұрын
Yes! Thank you!
@adamoutaleb7571
Жыл бұрын
okay but iq is the scientific way to approach the concept of intelligence
@calisto789
Жыл бұрын
@@adamoutaleb7571 no it isn't.
@adamoutaleb7571
Жыл бұрын
@@calisto789 ok so iq test started with an observation : people who tend to be intelligent in one task ex : mathematics tend to be intellingent in other tasks by intelligent i mean better than others. this discovery sparked the idea of a general intelligence and the creation of the g-factor that is supposed to indicate how high this general intelligence is. and then we find out that this general intelligence is way more general than we tought its every thing that demand abstaction : language, memory, everything that uses your brain. if you are better at one of them you are usually better in everything that demand your brain. and we created iq test to mesure your "g" the first iq test were heavily influenced by your level of education and your culture but we have perfected them to the point that no matter how much you studied for them you cant score better they correlate at .9 to .95 to your "g"
@calisto789
Жыл бұрын
@@adamoutaleb7571 There no consensus agreement on "general intelligence" metrics that could include every variable needed to quantify a humans worth in society. That why no professional industry uses it to determine who they employ. They test for relevant skills in their field. A mathematician in a jungle is basically an invalid compared to a preteen member of a local tribe with intimate knowledge of how to survive in that environment. In that way, the tribe would likely consider the mathematician an idiot for his lack of knowledge of the forrest. But hes not dumb generally. Neither is the tribe generally. They grew up in distinct environments that facilitate certain skills, knowledge or ease at aqiuring those things. Take a baby from that tribe into the city to be adopted by professionals of some sort and that child will very likely grow up to be one themselves. Bring a baby born from a professional couple and raise them to live in a jungle, they will learn whatever their environment demands of them. Human being are very adaptable and iq just isnt a very helpful metric when it comes to solving social problems.
@christopherrushdudley
2 жыл бұрын
The worst thing about Peterson is that he pulls in a certain demographic that is genuinely seeking reason and meaning, and he fills that need with his weird, vacuous, dog-eat-dog nonsense.
@facelessdrone
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the ammount of otherwise genuinely smart people ive met that believe his dogshit? Its embarrassing and pathetic that he hasn't been laughed to hell publicly on all platforms for all the joker fans and intellectually dishonest tryhards to feel some real shame in their life for falling for his manipulation. Because thats all it is, he plays the part of pretending to be a woke smart guy, but he's really just some old coot that took drugs once and thinks that means he's enlightened and more socially aware than everybody combined, he's the type to dismiss Stephen Hawking for being "too woke" as if empathy and a nuanced understanding of others is a bad thing...
@wildoaklane3
2 жыл бұрын
His videos are a good stepping stone to reaction videos like this
@christopherrushdudley
2 жыл бұрын
@@wildoaklane3 That's a good point.
@igoralmeida9136
2 жыл бұрын
very similar to socialists
@nfzeta128
2 жыл бұрын
@@wildoaklane3 or much, much worse videos.
@limner123
10 ай бұрын
I’m a simple girl, but I’m distracted by the hotness of the girl on the magazine cover.. What was the crazy “psychologist” saying now?
@deadly_bite
4 ай бұрын
I love the idea of Jordan Peterson getting so triggered about the biological nature of facial expressions, when I don't think I've seen him use a facial expression once.
@KillahMate
2 жыл бұрын
Ultimately it's kind of obvious: the Sports Illustrated cover is an affront to Peterson because it's an institution (Sports Illustrated) very publicly placing a particular person _somewhere Peterson doesn't think she belongs._ At their core there is perhaps nothing more conservative than believing that 1) _people have their place_ and 2) people should _know_ their place and not get uppity. It doesn't matter that this is an utterly silly and meaningless hierarchy of 'people who get to be on Sports Illustrated covers' - it _is_ a hierarchy, and as such just like any other hierarchy it _must not_ be challenged.
@espeon871
Жыл бұрын
All to justify private ownership and unequal access to shit baby, the hoops theyll jump instead of admitting that they want hierarchy. Great analysis tho dude.
@jasonhendricks4562
Жыл бұрын
What's ironic is I bet Peterson wouldn't dispute your ending argument here. The reason Peterson went after Sports Illustrated wasn't because he's attempting to enforce "their place". It was because he recognized that this model was being put on display out of pity, not out of beauty. And we all know this, but Sports Illustrated wants to market off of their own self righteousness like the rest of the woke crowd. "Oh, you don't think this model is beautiful? It must be because you're a shallow bigot!"
@KillahMate
Жыл бұрын
@@jasonhendricks4562 He saw this model as being put on display out of pity not out of beauty because that's the only reason _he_ would have done it. And same goes for you - 'we all know this'? What other things some people agree with you about so you wrongly assume _everyone_ does? Any fan of the free market should at least be aware that _different people have different aesthetic preferences._ This isn't rocket science. But while buying a car in your favorite color is a concept everyone should grasp, I guess Peterson fans who like black cars assume all the many people who prefer red cars are _faking it for clout?_ So there's no woke mafia coming to cancel you because you don't think a model is beautiful. You're only a shallow bigot if you have trouble with the idea that _other people might like_ how she looks, and need to make up _explanations_ (beyond 'some dudes at SI thought she looked hot'). But if you just can't imagine any of that, I invite you - as an intellectual exercise - to visit Pornhub, and write down all the categories of videos the site offers. Then put a checkmark next to all the categories you think are there because Pornhub 'wants to market off of their own self righteousness like the rest of the woke crowd'.
@jasonhendricks4562
Жыл бұрын
@@KillahMate Yeah you're not wrong at all, I'm not disagreeing. I'm just clarifying that Peterson saw this move by Sports Illustrated as an agenda to make being overweight idealistic. Because modeling is about capturing the 'ideal' afterall. Beauty is subjective and Peterson admits that he could have handled his tweet better. But it absolutely had wokeness written all over it. "Lets celebrate being overweight just like we celebrate fit bodies, you know - the bodies that take great effort to maintain. You don't think fat people are equally worthy? You bigot!"
@MilkyMinded
Жыл бұрын
Perfectly put!
@joet3935
Жыл бұрын
The "women must be beautiful and skinny" seems to me to exist to suppress women. A man who insists that a woman must fit that body type doesn't see women as equals.
@shadenox8164
9 ай бұрын
He's also telling other men they aren't allowed to find women attractive he doesn't.
@ejtattersall156
7 ай бұрын
A. The target market of this magazine is targeted toward men, not women, men. These women have always been more curvy than women in magazines with a target of women, like Cosmopolitan. Rail thin, shapeless, buttless, boobless women were a staple of women's magazines, not men's. B. Women have always had beauty standards. You know why? Women rank each other by looks. Women are far less forgiving of other women's bodies than men are, and there is extensive study to back this up.
@celewign
4 ай бұрын
I like he more likely saying “the majority of men find skinny women more attractive” which is factually true.
@joet3935
4 ай бұрын
@@celewign Which culture? Some cultures hold that non tan and overweight is the peak of beauty.
@ejtattersall156
4 ай бұрын
Every single culture on planet earth has a female body standard. And that standard, thick or thin, is maintained by women. Every single culture on planet earth has a male body standard, and that standard is selected for by women. Women give sex to men they find physically appealing, and rank each other by physical appeal, and blame men for all of it. Great gig, women have.
@sarahcullen5690
Жыл бұрын
We all agree that Jordan Peterson is obviously extremely attracted to fat women and is deeply afraid of admitting it even to himself, right?
@user-ew2sz3ez4n
Жыл бұрын
Lmao. But fr the only reasonable issue is this was a sports magazine, as to suggest you can be chonky and sporty
@sarahcullen5690
Жыл бұрын
@@user-ew2sz3ez4n Good thing you quite obviously can be chonky and sporty. In fact there are lots of sports where it would be weird if you weren't!
@shadenox8164
9 ай бұрын
@@user-ew2sz3ez4n You should see women weight lifters, they make this lady look petit.
@Dr_Hax
Жыл бұрын
4:52 why something tells me that he has a solution to that but he just wants to move the overton's window enough to consider it viable
@realitypoet
2 жыл бұрын
SI has been in the process of rebranding their swimsuit issue to be a women-centered lifestyle magazine more than catering to men for a few years now, and I had the joy of being put in charge of SI’s customer service line right when that change started - and since I had nobody to tell me what I could or couldn’t say since the company was in the middle of a big restructuring and they replaced the whole customer service team with me I had the freedom to pretty much tell a bunch of angry men to shove it and we already have their money so there’s nothing they can do about it bc we don’t give refunds to entitled pricks. It was great.
@doublinx2
2 жыл бұрын
Unimaginably based
@nfzeta128
2 жыл бұрын
This why you don't get too attached to brands, especially in today's world. One, because brand doesn't mean what it used to; two, because there will always be some other brand or company that will come along to fill in the gap once the demand is there.
@realitypoet
2 жыл бұрын
@@nfzeta128 yeah they did lose a lot of subscribers but they got a lot better brand deals, celebrity partnerships and ad revenue that way more than made up for the decrease in sales so all in all it was a good business decision regardless of the boomer dudes who can’t figure out how to Google image search for women in bikinis
@nfzeta128
2 жыл бұрын
@@realitypoet Honestly conservatively minded people have such a weird way of thinking it intrigues me sometimes, when it isn't annoying me that is.
@VesnaVK
2 жыл бұрын
Isn't that bait and switch, though? If my Family Handyman rebranded to be a cooking magazine halfway through my subscription, I'd call for a refund. I guess that would make me an entitled prick? To assume I was entitled to the thing I bought, instead of some random other thing?
@pseudonymjones
Жыл бұрын
You made it through this whole video without saying the word “eugenics” and I take that to mean you’re more disciplined than I am 🤭 when Jordan says he doesn’t have a solution for poverty/low IQ I feel like he’s expecting the viewer to connect the dots and think what he doesn’t want to say aloud - “our world doesn’t have a place for these people so maybe they shouldn’t be in it.” That’s the end result of all the talk of Truth and the human body - anyone who doesn’t meet the ideal is an aberration to be erased.
@blackhogarth4049
Жыл бұрын
Precisely. Peterson is knowingly using a fascist dog whistle.
@LoudCommentor
Жыл бұрын
If you listened to his longer clips you would not feel that at all. He seems to me like he genuinely cares about all people (whether that is misguided or not aside). He wants them taken care of, not gone. He points out a problem he sees that he has no solutions to -- what's wrong with that? Or can we only point out issues if we ourselves have the one perfect solution? I'd also note that here his lecture is about psychology, IQ, and what it teaches us, NOT politics.
@Chazzmatazz
Жыл бұрын
@@LoudCommentorFaux paternalism.
@LoudCommentor
Жыл бұрын
@@Chazzmatazz What has Peterson said or done that makes you think his care for these people is fake?
@Chazzmatazz
Жыл бұрын
@@LoudCommentor His clear and consistent unwillingness to recognize that they serve a human/cultural purpose.
@splattwig
2 ай бұрын
remember when he retweeted male milking nsfw and tried to claim it was happening in China
@axtract
10 ай бұрын
Joel, I just wanted to compliment you on your oratory and delivery of this video. You make a lot of points I don't agree with, but you deliver your arguments in an extremely convincing manner. Keep it up!
@te-ter
2 жыл бұрын
in the last 5 years i have had 2 semesters of classes on psychology, at some of which they explained to us the problem with IQ tests ...but i'm sure JP would just take it as a sign that the modern education is inferior to the one he had.
@paulsmart4672
2 жыл бұрын
It's more clear what's going on when he reacts to the pure biology side of things... With IQ and psychology, well, he's a psychologist, maybe he knows what he's talking about. Surely he's done his research, right? He's saying it's important and *he's* got a PhD in this stuff. But then it moves into pure biology, and he's got no qualifications here, and he's enraged that the cutting edge of the science isn't aligned with the 200 year old traditional understanding of the matter. How dare these "researchers" with the "data" and "experiments" and "computer models" and "hundreds of years of science to build upon" suggest that Darwin didn't magically and perfectly solve everything centuries ago!? That's based on nothing. That's just 100% his outrage at the notion of new information challenging old ideas. The reason he gets upset when people challenge the importance of IQ is he's an anti-intellectual conservative who can't stand the notion of academic or scientific progress.
@TimothyCHenderson
2 жыл бұрын
@@paulsmart4672 The problem with Peterson is he plays the field and both sides. He quote's numbers and statistics when he wants to that support his beliefs and then quotes mysticism and religion when it suites the argument as well. He'll bounce between the two and rail against authoritarianism but loves to tell people exactly what they should think and do. His final form of defense is the somewhat famous "there's something important there but I just haven't figured it out yet", usually attached at the end of some wild claim. He's able to manipulate the conversation by sounding academic, sounding spiritual and all encompassing, sounding contrarian to subvert his critics and keeping things open enough to build upon later. A slippery character indeed. I am enjoying the word salad moniker though.
@Definatalie
2 жыл бұрын
I was in uni doing education 20 years ago and they were saying IQ was a bad lens to view students through then!
@tyler9123
2 жыл бұрын
Up yours woke moralist
@dkickelbick
2 жыл бұрын
@@paulsmart4672 IQ tests are racist BD. They were invented to give racism a scientific touch as if it is founded on facts. But it is not, it is scientism. Peterson talks just rubbish sh*t. Big word which means nothing. Once he made clear that one of his "sources" is "The Bell Curve", which does exactly that claiming that racisim has scientific grounding and IQ test tell something useful. For a debunking of the Bell Curve there is e.g. the book by Stephen Jay Gould (The Mismeasure of Men). You don't need more to read to know the BS Peterson says.
@sugarfrosted2005
2 жыл бұрын
It turns out that "it's really complicated to explain why" he thinks they're DNA means it came to him in a hallucination. He thinks he saw DNA when he was on shrooms. And he believes in a collective unconscious. Those combined gets there. He explained it in a discussion with Richard Dawkins.
@elvingearmasterirma7241
2 жыл бұрын
Okay who let him do mushrooms
@rgs8970
2 жыл бұрын
oh boy
@marspower1288
2 жыл бұрын
bruhhhh this man is unhinged, I feel bad for anyone to have ever been his student or patient
@AZ-ty7ub
2 жыл бұрын
He takes his belief in a collective unconscious and takes that to mean Joseph Campbell's monomyth (which is not actually universal) is a result of the collective human subconcious and that archetypes are real and should be enforced. It's bonkers.
@Romanticoutlaw
2 жыл бұрын
somehow this doesn't surprise me
@baporwabe2241
Жыл бұрын
my chief beef with the idea that poverty is a function of low intelligence is the implicit moral condemnation of being poor or stupid. our capitalism is working perfectly and a large chunk of the population really is too incurably stupid to lift themselves out of poverty, why make them continue to suffer for it? shouldn't you be, like, advocating for welfare, specifically so people aren't locked out of a comfortable life for reasons outside of their control? if the competition for housing and food is already rigged, why have the competition in the first place? i know jordan beterson is a big natural hierarchies guy but he doesn't make a very good argument beyond "that's what nature intended", or a good defense beyond "postmodernism is bad". idk. protestant work ethic moment.
@joshuaa7266
Жыл бұрын
Lately I've been a little skeptical concerning IQ, mainly regarding what it is measured and how they know their measurements are right. When calibrating a speedometer, you can verify the measurement is correct by measuring how long a vehicle takes to travel a known distance and using the correct formula. With IQ, there doesn't appear to be a straightforward test like that, and I haven't even heard what exactly IQ is measuring from people who strongly advocate for it. That isn't to say I don't think people have different characteristics. I just think they can't be accurately summed up in one number, and it would be far more beneficial to use a number of tests to learn more about a person's strengths and weaknesses.
@LlartyVoz
2 жыл бұрын
My therapist has another client that apparently loves Peterson very much (I don't know the client or anything else about him, so I can't judge him as a person) so the both of us talk about him at times. I actually brought up Peterson first because he basically stated that BPD is the female version of ASPD which I found quite strange because the two disorders have some glaring differences between them. That promted my therapist to look into Peterson because two clients of his mentioned him. His conclusion was that Peterson was a very typical old university professor, insane, conservative with a dangerous love for facist rethoric.
@j0nni235
2 жыл бұрын
> "a very typical old university professor, insane, conservative with a dangerous love for facist rethoric." Wait that's typical??? Dang I just got into uni I gotta watch out 👀
@facelessdrone
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, autism is nothing like bpd, take it from someone who is autistic and has met people with bpd many times. They arent even cognitive cousins, I have more in common with my cats than I do someone with bpd, thats not a bad thing, its just true, women with bpd and autism may act similar but thats literally just because of sexism, and how women with mental differences are raised to basically be submissive niave robots, its depressing, but thats ableism for you.
@crowwithashortcake
2 жыл бұрын
@@facelessdrone aspd is antisocial personality disorder, the acronym for autism is asd
@j0nni235
2 жыл бұрын
@@facelessdrone ASPD is Anti-Social Personality Disorder, not Autism Spectrum Disorder - ASD.
@koda90
2 жыл бұрын
@@facelessdrone i think aspd refers to antisocial personality disorder. youre thinking of asd, autism spectrum disorder
@outsidethewall8488
2 жыл бұрын
It's also so wild to me that he's a psychology professor because I'm about 3/4 of the way through a psychology undergrad degree and my classes are literally nothing like any of this lectures and I'm glad for that. They contain actual information about research with discussions of where the evidence is mixed etc. No emotional political rants lmao.
@outsidethewall8488
2 жыл бұрын
Also we are taught extensively both the positives and negatives of IQ science. An oversimplified summary is that IQ tests can be excellent measures of m specific skills among particular cultural/ language groups in comparison to other members of that group in a similar age range but can never be taken as an all encompassing objective measure of pure intellect.
@Dominique_99
2 жыл бұрын
Did you learn about EQ tests and those other annoying tests. The ones that businesses just love like the Myers Briggs test that are a load of garbage too. Research has shown you can throw them in the bin. I mean it’s like astrology fun to do .
@tos100returns
2 жыл бұрын
I watched a few of Peterson's classroom speeches. He says some horrific things about depression that do not match what I learned in my college Psychology course, and do not match in the things that I've learned from therapists over the past 3+ decades. He once said, "The thing about depressed people is that they are depressed about everything." This is SO wrong, because depression isn't about anything. It's about nothing. He also said, "Depressed people are sad even though they have good lives." Again, WRONG, because it has NOTHING to do with one's position in life. It also has nothing to do with being sad, and my therapists would suggest that depression is the ABSENCE of sadness. When I made the mistake of questioning this in the comments section on the video, his brainwashed minions went on the attack. They said that I could not criticize him until I've read all of his books and writings, and have watched ALL of his videos. That was when I realized that I was watching the video of a cult leader.
@halcyonacoustic7366
2 жыл бұрын
I would walk out of most lectures I've ever seen him make.
@outsidethewall8488
2 жыл бұрын
@@Dominique_99 I can't think of any EQ tests that have come up but lots of personality tests including Meyers Briggs have been discussed and yes I am well aware that it doesn't have good evidence for it. That falls more under personality psychology whereas IQ tests tend to fall more under Cognitive psychology. Although plenty of overlap between categories of course.
@PhotonBeast
9 ай бұрын
I think the thing that subtly reveals where JP is coming from is the: "Is the solution to shovel money down the hierarchy? No." His starting axiom is that there is a 'natural' hierarchy that not only exists, but must be maintained; and that by 'shoveling' resources downward, we would be unnaturally raising individuals up out of their 'correct' place in the hierarchy. This is also why he has no solution (well... not one he'd say out loud) because if this extremely rigid hierarchy exists and is natural, if there are people at the bottom who are innately useless, well... that's like saying "How do we solve not having a third lung?" It's both impossible and non-sensicial to even ask. It is fatalistic, cruel, and uncaring (which was already self-evident). But it also implies the inverse - that those at the top (EG him) are innately useful. That his mere existence is useful. That he has a 'correct' place to be and to say otherwise is, again, a non-sensicial statement. Further then, because he is 'at the top', then by 'nature', anything and everything he does is 'naturally' correct. Anything those below him, are not, even if it's the same act. And these things may seem so baffling because our starting assumption is much more egalitarian. If you already believe that everyone deserves dignity, then it's impossible to justify his statements of "Let the poor starve. They're innately morally, ethically, mentally, and biologically corrupt." in the same way it seems impossible for him to justify the 'shoveling resources down the hierarchy'. It's also where his vague vapid 'solutions' come in. Because even if, in his view, these were solveable problems, Big Problems surely must require Big All Encompassing Solutions. It surely couldn't be as 'easy' as 'Healthcare for all". And even if it did, since it didn't 'solve' health and disease, if it wasn't a totality of a solution, if even one person then got sick... well, in his mind, it's a flawed solution and not worth even trying. The other end of that, of course, is that that is not at all what others are trying. No one is (seriously) trying or saying they want to 'solve' disease. They want to prevent it, mitigate it, help those who do get sick, and ensure that it's effects can be diminished when it happens.
@Bridge2110
4 ай бұрын
Hierarchy does exist, and giving money to people who don't create money will eventually lead to a collapse. It's not "stay in your place". It's that people should be responsible for themselves as much as they can, and giving money to people with a low ability to manage wealth is a very high cost way of increasing living conditions, and on a long term civilizational scale, will lead to a decline.
@lilstevechan8427
2 ай бұрын
His worldview is literally just conservatism with extra bells, whistles, jargon and references to Dostoyevsky.
@kyrroti
Жыл бұрын
It seems like Jordan Peterson is after simple answers. When things seem to push against his worldview, implying it’s more complicated than he thinks, he lashes against it.
@davidgarrett4852
Жыл бұрын
I've noticed that whenever JP says "It's a big problem, man! and nobody knows what to do about it," that's where his Hidden Agenda is very close to the surface. Great essay Joel - I subscribed
@SorowFame
Жыл бұрын
“No one knows what to do about it!” “Here are some things we could do about it” “No, none of those would ever work. Why doesn’t anyone have a solution for this?”
@joeyjo-joshabadu9636
Жыл бұрын
Jordan's got a big dog whistle
@itsROMPERS...
2 жыл бұрын
One thing Jordan completely ignores is the idea that IQ could be multivariate, that people can be extremely stupid in some ways but less so in others. I'm a terrible businessman but I'm a top-level problem solver, and my IQ is over 140. Some stuff i can do better than anyone around me, and some stuff i seem brain-dead trying to solve. My supervisors at work have struggled with what to do with me, thinking of how they could smash me into being a business-minded worker, but ultimately realizing that succeeding in this could also smash my creativity, which was the real benefit i provided that others around me couldn't. They finally decided to just put up with me, and enjoy the unique solutions i threw off. Anybody can do time cards. Or can they? I designed a time card system, but i wouldn't really do them myself. So i contributed to getting thousands of time cards in, just not mine. The evidence that most people are like this is all around us, that people are almost never "just stupid" to the point of being incapable of anything. To make it more obvious, we have actual people in govt who are very clearly intellectually low-level, people making laws that obviously just don't understand what they are doing. Total abortion bans passed by people who don't know what "ectopic" means. What happens to Jordan's theory when the President's IQ turns out to be 90, and a homeless street person hits 135? As is commonly true of Jordan, his rationalizations tend to be lazy. He hits on a track, and fits everything to it. Everything bad is radical-leftist post-modern cultural Marxism, and Marxism is the ultimate evil because 100 million died in the Soviet Union. Yeah, that follows. Everything is on the most rudimentary level of abstraction. But he is articulate, and a lot of dumber people mistake that for erudition, or, to them, "smarts". Jordan is a conservative pseudo-intellectual for the post-Trump reality. We would be much better off of he hadn't come out of his Russian-induced rehab-shortcut coma. Seriously, a clinical psychologist hopelessly addicted to benzos. Talk about stupid.
@pantalaemon
2 жыл бұрын
Normally I don't feel okay making fun of people who struggle with drug abuse, especially not to the point Peterson does, but for a man who preaches self-reliance and hard-headed realism (to the point of villifying and demonizing civil rights activists as totalitarian monsters) to end up unable to cope without insane amounts of drugs, well, it's just... it's the sort of thing one can only laugh at homerically. If he had an ounce of integrity he'd ask himself some hard questions about how valid his ideas really are. But of course he doesn't. Then the whole shithouse would go up in flames.
@chriss780
2 жыл бұрын
@@pantalaemon his entire thing is "if you're own life isn't even in order you have no right to critique socity" and watching him spend all of his time critiquing society while his own life is a shit show is just objectively hysterical"
@johnnygoodman2003
2 жыл бұрын
IQ was invented by the French public school system to justify giving foreign students in France a lower quality education system than French born students.
@Talentedtadpole
2 жыл бұрын
YES!
@zk5228
2 жыл бұрын
Anecdotally speaking, part of my ADHD diagnosis involved taking an IQ test with ~5 different subscores that were combined to find your aggregate IQ. In one of the categories, I got the highest possible score - better than they'd ever seen in their office. But my processing speed score was awful (because of the ADHD lol), so the total score landed around 120. I felt so slighted! I don't think this version of the test is much better at objectively measuring intelligence than standard ones, but I like it better as a means of communicating the results. It allowed me to think "oh, this is stupid! it directly penalizes neurodivergent traits!" and disregard it entirely
@dr.christopherdiaz4473
10 ай бұрын
Anyone who says it’s impossible to teach creativity, is completely ignorant to how the creative process works. Creativity is a process, it’s not a skill or talent.
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