Just so you know: he never took a sip from the can
@p.stephen5032
6 жыл бұрын
laurens He picked it up like four times right? 😅
@MrMaskoticaaal
6 жыл бұрын
I always thought I was a lunatic for doing things like that while talking.
@shurue8628
5 жыл бұрын
He's drinking with his mind.
@ArtemTeymurazian
5 жыл бұрын
Product placement by Cola, marketing is a new propaganda! :)
@FaisalAzizFizzy20000
5 жыл бұрын
This is an extract from a longer video. He sips the can 30 seconds before this clips begins.
@lilconfused686
6 жыл бұрын
"Just because you're a failure does not mean you're an artist" ha! xD
@EsimCan
6 жыл бұрын
no one can actually really define, what a failure is and what art is. Only the ones, with the usability-, productivity-, usefullness-fetishism dare to do that. But thats only a lack of humility, because it is bound to a certain perspective of ideology, from which things appear to be usefull and productive, but on the long term they are devastating and destructive. No one knows the future, so art will reveal itself in a way beyond the definition of the people, who are bound to their cultural timeframe. What art and failure is, will show it self in the future as a survivor of history. The people, living in their own timeframe of history have no idea, what will reveal itself as what and how. Same is for the idea of a failure. Dr Peterson would not say "You can say exactly what's Frozen is about, so it's propaganda" about the works of Michelangelo although the same is true to his work as propaganda of the church.
@zekechester7044
6 жыл бұрын
EsimCan you can define what is not art, however.
@guimagranato6869
8 ай бұрын
And just be cause you re a milionare, doesn t mean you re a real thinker
@Zybqheqer
5 жыл бұрын
Art is never finished, only abandoned - Leonardo Da Vinci
@GetYaWhat
2 жыл бұрын
mood
@vattentaelt
3 жыл бұрын
"What do you think an artist is? An imbecile who has only eyes if he’s a painter, or ears if he’s a musician, or a lyre at every level of his heart if he’s a poet, or even, if he’s a boxer, just his muscles? On the contrary, he’s at the same time a political being, constantly alive to heartrending, fiery, or happy events, to which he responds in every way[. . . .] No, painting is not done to decorate apartments. It is an instrument of war for attack and defense against the enemy." - Pablo Picasso, 1945 "Someone who's a true artist doesn't have a political message." - Jordan
@OrenPanitch
Жыл бұрын
I guess if you make even your own value system political, then everything is political
@horsewings3561
4 ай бұрын
"The artist doesn't know what their doing the propagandists does...." this is so reassuring for me as an artist.
@nickbloom6861
6 жыл бұрын
Hey there fellow lobsters, our nightly meeting for The Order Of The Bucko's will be continued tommorow. We apologize for the inconvenience and will resume our lesson on postmodern sunshine.
@zorualegend
6 жыл бұрын
damm, i hoped to watch the lobster pet show
@toddboothbee1361
6 жыл бұрын
You think Alice would have liked this fellow? I think this lobster's in a lot of hot water.
@robgoren8628
6 жыл бұрын
George Lucas Star Wars = Art. Disney Star Wars = Propaganda.
@downeybill
6 жыл бұрын
you forgot, Prequel Star Wars = Crap
@robgoren8628
6 жыл бұрын
downeybill Prequels are flawed works of art, which I'll take over successful exercises in marketing and propaganda any day.
@Post-Yap_Clarity
6 жыл бұрын
YES! Came here to say this.
@samsimon8571
5 жыл бұрын
um no, it had a clear goal of fascism vs the rest of society, even george lucas admits that's what he created it for. In that sense it is propaganda just for a different reason
@samsimon8571
5 жыл бұрын
@@robgoren8628 well the original star wars is george lucas protesting against the vietnam war, he even says so.
@toddboothbee1361
6 жыл бұрын
He's given one of the best definitions and explanations of art I've ever come across--and I'm in the world of the arts every day.
@ScientiaFilms
6 жыл бұрын
He looks like he's in front of a greenscreen
@AnarchistMetalhead
6 жыл бұрын
this is done so students can project any background they want behind peterson. it helps lowering sjw complaints if they see him with horns in front of hell, no need for demonizing a demon
@reniaesaddler8632
2 жыл бұрын
Seems like art reflects the human experience while propaganda suggests it.
@kokomanation
2 жыл бұрын
Art can be used for propaganda .Even Beethoven dedicated initially his 3rd Symphony to Napoleon.It is a powerful emotional tool that can be used for any reason possible
@sethiddings7293
Жыл бұрын
He didn't say "art is not used in propaganda" He said "Art BECOMES propaganda when you are told what you should think about it." Art wants to know what YOU think it is, because it is nothing and everything. It has no form until a mind gives it one. The process of an individual mind, giving art form, is the purpose of art. When you explore art, you explore yourself at the same time. Once you tell someone what it is, that process is lost. The purpose becomes manipulation instead of exploration.
@kianoosh.
6 жыл бұрын
Finally, someone agreed that frozen is terrible !!
@Fullyautomagic
4 жыл бұрын
You can definitely use art to tell a story or make a point that you already have in your head though.
@sethiddings7293
Жыл бұрын
You missed it, 1:40. He said that is fine to do as well. You can draw a picture thinking "I'm gonna draw someone whispering into another persons ear on a cold snowy night" You draw that and you have art. People look at it thinking "What are they talking about? I wonder what the secret is..." Makes you think and explore ideas. Take the same drawing and add "Don't trust those sneaky ________" you got propaganda. Because it tells you what you are supposed to think about the art instead of inviting you to explore it.
@metalstorm7506
10 ай бұрын
@@sethiddings7293 THANK YOU!
@spikeleroy9506
6 жыл бұрын
May i ask you sir, can you elaborate on your conceptual MEANING of success, and what is your conceptual MEANING of failure?
@zuutlmna
5 жыл бұрын
So it's possible to have art, without it conveying or possessing any aspect or function of propaganda?
@zuutlmna
5 жыл бұрын
I was of the opinion that almost all art is, or can function as, propaganda.. (Great topic, btw!!)
@zuutlmna
5 жыл бұрын
Was Walt Disney (the individual) America's leading propaganda minister? I think so. That's why Von Braun worked with him and his media company to promote an American space program.
@BackwardsHat
6 жыл бұрын
Dr. Peterson's logic doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me here. He's basically saying that if you delve into creating some sort of art with a certain intention or meaning in mind, then it is propaganda? That's a pretty harsh definition. If that's the case, almost everything we utter from our mouths if some sort of propaganda. Has there ever actually been any art that was designed with zero intention in mind?
@shlomosilversteinberg5785
6 жыл бұрын
Propaganda's definition is very tame. The definition basically boils down to someone trying to convince you to believe something. It's not inherently a dirty word and the extremely negative connotations to it are only cultural.
@asdf09er
6 жыл бұрын
Most people only create a very limited amount of art. In previous decades it was usually wrapped up in a Christmas Card. Now it's ever present in social media. Both are pure propaganda. You pick the best photos of your family and kids, the cutest or most expensive card, and the wittiest and humblest message. All in an effort to stay connected to a wide range of contacts, and to ensure that they know just how well you are doing. I am thinking of commissioning some art. I want it to convey a certain message that holds value to me. Essentially I want some propaganda in my house, to remind me and convince me of certain ideals and goals. Something a bit more meaningful than what we have now. It's interesting that Peterson has already done that. Perhaps I should focus more on getting that done.
@denisonfagundes8200
6 жыл бұрын
Well, the difference between art and propaganda can be difficult to discern as art can be propaganda. But one way I often go about it is that propaganda gives me answers I did not ask, and art gives me questions that I can't help but spend a long time thinking about. What I mean to say is that propaganda is simple and the message it tries to convey is readily understandable and often a bit too forceful. Art on the other hand, is, like Petterson said, a well-spring of meaning. It's never about only one thing and can give you hours of comtemplation. Although not all that tries to be art, becomes art, and some things made to be propaganda end up being art. But then again art itself is something difficult to discuss. For example in the past there was a movement that fixed entirely on the creation of paitings possessing a huge amount of technique and the paintings from that time are great to look at. They are beautiful. But they are not as good at expressing themselves as the paitings that came afterward, because they sacrificied technique for the sake of delivering a message, and in the end created several new forms of painting. Both schools of art are great but are also very different. If you look at today's postmodern art, however, you can see what a purely expressive art without attention given to the development of technique and beauty can create. And it's something so terrible that most people would refuse to call it art. Well, it's a difficult discussion.
@nightsketcher
3 жыл бұрын
@@denisonfagundes8200 Difficult, maybe, but worthwhile, although in this particular setting.... I get the sense that a lot of the people here who object to the distinction he draws between art and propaganda don't actually understand what art is (in the sense that he means it)... and that troubles me.
@teenanguyen217
3 жыл бұрын
I have a problem wrapping my head around the idea how some art is propaganda and some is not. Because clearly, all art is thought up and idealised before the final product, so the artist has already imprinted their vision. I feel as though Jordan defends the Lion King and Pinnochio because they depict left leaning ideology, while Frozen depicts right leaning ideology. But in essense they are both stories relevant to their particular markets. From a completely neutral point of view, they are both ideological propaganda, how can he say one is not and the other is?
@TheJeremyKentBGross
Жыл бұрын
The Lion King and Pinocchio are not leftist criticisms as they are far older than leftism in the modern political sense. The Lion King is the story of the central part of the Ancient Egyptian religions pantheon, and Pinocchio likewise taps into very old stories such as Jonah. I'd be curious as to how you see Frozen as depicting the "right wing" though. Although you probably need to define the what that even means to you, because different people seem to have radically different ideas.
@1845Raven
3 жыл бұрын
The people who created it had the idea about what it should be before they made it, so it’s propaganda.” J Peterson
@doug2434
2 жыл бұрын
Guernica, perhaps Picasso's most famous painting, is explicitly anti-war, and is therefore propaganda (it's not the only piece of expressly policial art he made either). Of course, Peterson can't possibly consider Picasso to be a propagandist because he's considered one of the greatest artists to ever live - he's not that much of a contrarian. Clearly the film he mentions where Picasso paints on the glass is the only thing Peterson knows about Picasso at all. Perhaps somebody should tell Peterson that Picasso was a Communist (in fact, he was denied French citizenship in 1940 because of this), and see if all of Picasso's pieces suddenly become propaganda to him. The fact that one piece of knowledge about art is enough to debunk Peterson's entire thesis about art and propaganda proves that he knows as much about art as he knows about everything else - Nothing.
@Narko_Marko
2 жыл бұрын
i dont think Peterson ever said or implied that Picasso is not a propagandist, he just used him as an example to what the process of creating art is like. I hate Picassos art and he was a horrible person but Peterson was right about what he said.
@drawingstuff6660
6 жыл бұрын
Yes! He got it perfectly! Thats art
@MrKosobi
6 жыл бұрын
That was a bunch of nonsense.
@drawingstuff6660
6 жыл бұрын
+MrKosobi Well maybe you should try listening again because he perfectly describes how it worked in this video
@MrKosobi
6 жыл бұрын
just listened to it again, still can't believe that he made such ridiculous statement. "You can say exactly what it's about so it's propaganda" - this has potential to be a joke among the scriptwriters.
@drawingstuff6660
6 жыл бұрын
+MrKosobi artists work is basicly a concentrated manifastation of themselves , so when they paint , draw , write something the real art shows itslef because the human expierence is inside them , but you can tell If someone is not trying to use art to communicate something from inside of themsleves and just trying to look like something really meaningful , its hard to explain but Hope you got it.
@MrKosobi
6 жыл бұрын
Drawin Stuff that's not applicable to drama, really. What you say is just layman's fantasy which has nothing to do with reality.
@monkeygraborange
6 жыл бұрын
In what universe is "Frozen" considered art?
@ethant001
6 жыл бұрын
college girls, at least the ones i know
@LoganChristianson
6 жыл бұрын
The universe where you recognize art can come in different forms that aren't strictly paintings on canvas. Video games, movies, literature, plays, concerts, animations, music, etc, are all considered art too.
@luckyone9473
6 жыл бұрын
Hello Lobsters.
@WilliamGarland
5 жыл бұрын
Orwell disagrees.
@WilliamGarland
5 жыл бұрын
Moreover, so does Hitchens, and perhaps some might wish look upon this video, in which the latter discusses the former: "All Art is Propaganda" kzitem.info/news/bejne/uGloqHmgr4dohII
@Meteor_pending
6 жыл бұрын
I think JBP should have a second look at Frozen. If you imagine for a second that Elsa's a man with awful power that is frowned upon by her surroundings. Instead of learning to control her power, she decides to hide it and hide herself away, much like the Beast from Beauty and the Beast. When she loses her control and freezes over her kingdom she runs away and secludes herself thinking everyone is better of this way, not very much unlike the Beast really. This obviously solves nothing and instead makes things worse. A man must become civilized, because a beast is most prone to destroy because of his lack of capacity to control his awful power. When Elsa realizes what harm she's doing she makes the decision to give in and become harmless. This is the execution of third wave feminist propaganda. They attempt to emasculate men (again: imagine Elsa's a man) in order to render them harmless. This of course leaves room for another beast to step in and take whatever he wants. This in Frozen is Hans. This shows what happens when you choose harmlessness. You can't protect anyone and nothing is solved. Instead you're more open to harm than before. Now Anna's still dying and the only thing that's changed is that Elsa's going to die as well. The solution obviously is to learn to control your powers. When Elsa does this, she can defeat Hans and save her kingdom. In the end she becomes the hero that still has awful power. But now she has control over her power and she can safeguard what she loves. Interestingly there's no Princess in the tower as a reward. Frozen shows that even though there's no obvious reward you have to learn to control your power. Harmlessness and turning away from society like beta males and MGTOW are destructive for society and leaves society prone to harm. Men still have to be hero archetypes even though they will not be praised for it, even though they seemingly won't be rewarded for it. It is essential for the survival of society and our culture. Simply said: imagine Elsa's a man and you can discover much more than you would've thought. It may have started as pure propaganda, but I think the writers accidentally made something genius.
@tristonallen463
3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your interpretation of Frozen, and honestly find JP’s assertion that art and propaganda are mutually exclusive just laughable. Is Animal Farm, 1984, Huckleberry Finn, Christmas Carol, and countless more not works of art? They have clear societal messages, and the authors set out writing with the intention of conveying those messages in a thoughtful manner. Sometimes art has no clear message and stumbles across it, but the assertion that art have an intended message negates its being as art is just stupid.
@faidee6197
3 жыл бұрын
Aint reading all that
@sethiddings7293
10 ай бұрын
@@tristonallen463 I understand the confusion, seems like if art and propaganda can inhabit the same body that would mean they aren't mutually exclusive. Actually, as long as they're never there at the same time then it fits. They never are there at the same time because it's impossible to both make your own interpretation (art) while accepting someone else's (propaganda).
@HobokenSquatCobbler
2 жыл бұрын
Art and propaganda are not mutually exclusive.
@jerrysstories711
2 жыл бұрын
3:31 MIND BLOWN!
@amerdahman
2 жыл бұрын
Just because you are a failure doesn't mean you are an artist. 100%
@devinaayona3785
2 жыл бұрын
How about religious art pieces in Baroque era?
@irishelk3
3 жыл бұрын
Hmm, i think that’s true what he said about Russian impressionists, there’s a couple of artists i follow on artfinder who are Russian and their work is stunning.
@kalebos1579
6 жыл бұрын
It's interesting to watch his behavior with the soda can. Every time he's coming to the "ask me a question" point, he's holding the soda can. Great, smart and very intellectual man he is.
@gavinreid8351
6 жыл бұрын
The American government promoted Abstract Expressionism as a example of the superiority of Free world capitalism versus the Soviet Socialism. The Soviet sponsored Social Realism propaganda as it thought this spoke to the common man in a way that modern art of capitalist states never can.
@callmeishmael3031
6 жыл бұрын
The American government promoted Abstract Expressionism? When, where, how?
@thepuksu
6 жыл бұрын
In the sovient karelia the communist made the poets rape the traditional style of kalevala poetry. They were forced to use it for propaganda.
@polydimensionalsphilosophy3456
6 жыл бұрын
I think most "art" is propaganda I also think, Dr. Peterson's definition of real art is suppositional. Aesthetics, imho, is basically, based on an individual's perspective.
@drawingstuff6660
6 жыл бұрын
aestathics dont dircetly equal art , art is a way of communicating for those who can't communicate something by other means
@toddboothbee1361
6 жыл бұрын
I think one aspect Peterson captures in his definition is that art is a creative process that the viewer/reader/listener can experience and participate in because it was "embedded" in the final product. He's really nailed it, at least as far as literary art is concerned.
@EK4B16A2
6 жыл бұрын
Get that coke out of JBP's hand, he doesn't need more caffeine/sugar
@adityarajhonraopatil4453
4 жыл бұрын
Like Picasso painted the white pigeon of peace !?
@danielharris9403
2 жыл бұрын
This video - from the concept and it's delivery, to the camera work, to the can of Pepsi Max - is it art or propaganda? Is a teacher an artist or propagandist?
@TomorrowWeLive
6 жыл бұрын
Yay, a fellow connoisseur of Communist propaganda art. I personally prefer Maoist art though- the vibrancy, dynamism and complexity of the compositions are unparalleled.
@kashu7691
6 жыл бұрын
Tomorrow We Live congratulations
@guimagranato6869
8 ай бұрын
Well if we can say about philosophy what he says about meaning in art- maybe we can- ehat he is doing is not philosophy, is propaganda
@xinyiliang6021
3 жыл бұрын
I‘m wondering when he will drink the Coke
@johnmartin4119
5 жыл бұрын
Well if Frozen was supposed to be feminist propaganda I say it failed at that. Especially since both women in the film caused all the problems of the film. Between Elsa's isolation policy causing a snow storm, and Anna letting a psycho usurp the throne. Hell, Beauty and the Beast or Aladdin make for better feminists propaganda as they Star strong independent females that go up against toxic masculine societies. Also I thought Jordan would love an archetypal sibling rivalry like Cain and Abel, where the self(Anna) learns to accumulate their shadow self(Elsa). Especially since Anna is very similar to his depiction of Aurora from Sleeping Beauty, a movie he really liked. But hey I guess I must have misheard his lectures or something. Still enjoy his videos
@TheJeremyKentBGross
Жыл бұрын
It could be that the art aspects will stand out more the further we get from the underlying ideology. Beauty and the Beast is Traditional, not womanist. She tames the beast and evaporates his toxicity, rather than smashing and usurping the entire station of manhood.
@callmeishmael3031
6 жыл бұрын
Someone who's a true artist doesn't have a political message? How silly! He says that right after mentioning Picasso. The most famous political work of art of the 20thC and maybe in art history--Picaso's "Guernica." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernica_(Picasso) David's "Oath of the Horatii," Orwell's "1984," the Futurist movement, Uncle Tom's Cabin, etc., etc. You can easily argue there is no great art that is not political.
@sylviahouston4969
6 жыл бұрын
I understand what you say and agree. As an artist though I believe your expressions come from a deep place within representing itself as a commentary or message as you said. The arts formulation does not start on the premises to influence but rather the people pick up on its deeper meaning when the artist got it right. The intellectual interpretation is the aftermath if you will.
@captnhuffy
6 жыл бұрын
I'm *not an artist* either. Hahahaaaaaa!
@mischa3691
6 жыл бұрын
Thank you. This was very encouraging
@CameronWilliamsonTheCamShow
Жыл бұрын
Paunch Peterson lol (lot’s of respect for this man but… y’know)
@justinstark5732
6 жыл бұрын
Geez, I really have to disagree with Peterson here. Frozen is not political in any sense. The "I'm a women who don't need no man" interpretation doesn't make much sense when you consider that Anna ends up with a man at the end. It wasn't saying that men are evil and should be avoided, it was saying that sometimes jumping into relationship in hopes of having a classical prince charming fantasy can have disaster consequences when reality sets in. It was making a spin on a classic Disney narrative to make a statement of ideoloizing people. I don't love frozen and this twist could be seen from a mile away, but this is a really absurd criticism. I respect Peterson in general, but holy shit do you people just eat up everything he says without any second thought. He's a person too, take things he says with a higher pinch of salt
@TomFranklinX
6 жыл бұрын
By that judgement Zootopia is also not political. Also "Men are evil and should be avoided" is a pathetic attempt at strawman "You don't need men" is what Peterson said.
@justinstark5732
6 жыл бұрын
Tom Franklin It doesn't say that either. Anna ends up with a man at the end. What is so wrong with making a spin of a classic Disney story arch? Zootopia is making a statement about not prejudging people based on a group they belong to. That should be common sense. However frozen is not making a statement about feminism or not needing men, it was commenting on some of the dangerous aspects of first sight romances. If telling women that jumping into a relationship with rose colored glasses and little knowledge of the other person can backfire is "feminist propaganda", then feminism doesn't seem that bad after all.
@captnhuffy
6 жыл бұрын
It seems that you are BLIND! And zero grasp of Gender Politics. Duh!
@TomFranklinX
6 жыл бұрын
Justin Stark Are you somehow implying that a movie can't be about two different things? Sure frozen said first sight romances are bad, but how does that negate the other message that you don't need men?
@justinstark5732
6 жыл бұрын
captnhuffy I understand gender politics fine. I just don't feel the need to spot it in every fucking thing I see (especially when it isn't there). But hey, everything is marxist, everything is feminist and everything is anti-west and you need to point it all out, don't you
@MrKosobi
6 жыл бұрын
"You can say exactly what's Frozen is about, so it's propaganda" - wow, as a professional scriptwriter, I find this claim ridiculous. "the people who created it had the idea about what it should be before they made it so it's propagadna" - no shit sherlock, that's how scripts are written, that's how movies are done. Sometimes you pick up another meaning along the way, but it's not always the case. Looks like Peterson fall victim to one of the things he warned others about: if you rely too much on your intelligence, you will always think you're right, even when you couldn't be more wrong. I'm a little dissapointed, but hey, nobody's perfect.
@MrKosobi
6 жыл бұрын
"but the point of writing the story is to put into mental images that deeper meaning which can't be conveyed in normal everyday speech" - that goes strictly against the number 1 rule of storytelling in general: if your story can not be contained within one sentence, it's a bad story. Not many people understand that, even my fellow colleagues, directors and scriptwriters, were able to comprehend the true meaning of these words after a long time of studying. Also, I can't think of any movie which meaning can not be conveyed in normal speech. When I only watched them, it is true that I could not always say what they were about, but this changed the moment I started learning how to construct them. The only movies that are "undefined" are the bad ones that barely anyone enjoys, and that's because their creators have no idea what they're doing.
@MrKosobi
6 жыл бұрын
Lord Venus No, the plot's summary is longer than 1 sentence in 95% cases. The deeper meaning, what the story is about, when you know what you're doing, should be contained within one. I know it's weird, I do not expect you to understand, I'm really sorry if I sound condescending, I don't mean to.
@MrKosobi
6 жыл бұрын
Lord Verus Let's keep it thematical. Drama is fundamentally different in terms of applicable rules of structure, it's a very conservative form, poetry and epic poetry (is it the right word? I mean "normal" books' form, like Harry Potter) are very liberal (especially poetry). JBP made a case for drama. So, I'll give you an example. "Das Leben der Anderen" - You can write a whole A4 page about its plot, but you can contain the deeper meaning of it in one sentence (also, please excuse me for not being familiar with english terms if I make any mistakes): The regime agent humanizes himself by invigilating a writer. That's it. You can develop this meaning into whole paragraphs of text, talking about its dychotomy, paradoxical nature and so on (and people do! they're looking for a complicated meaning, while not even considering the fact that it could be this simple), but in its core, it'll remain exactly this.
@MrKosobi
6 жыл бұрын
Thomas Nicholas sure, as I said, finding out what the story really is about CAN be developed during the writing proccess (although Back to the Future is not the best example of it, as its script is a little unfocused and could use more work, there is no character arc, but only his surroundings, which is simply odd considering how avoidable this mistake was), but it's not always the case, and sitting down with a premise in mind that remains unchanged throughout the proccess of writing that follows does not automatically makes anything "propaganda". That's my main point. Furthermore, experienced writers barely ever change their premise during writing. It' mainly the rookies, since they discover what the hell all this writing thing is about anyway (again, I'm talking about DRAMA, which is vastly different from other forms of writing).
@MrKosobi
6 жыл бұрын
+swift well, that's why it bothers me. He distorts the actual reality of the writing proccess to fit his very general view on the subject. "I don't know much about scriptwriting, but I'll speak what I think about it anyway" - of course there is nothing wrong about giving an opinion regarding any subject, the problem is created the moment you don't acknowledge the fact that you have 0 actual knowledge about it yet you still think you know everything there is to know and make absolute claims.
@angus6858
6 жыл бұрын
Back when Peterson had a gut
@mariojorge9529
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I am sorry: we need MAN and WOMAN and GOD. Thank you!
@davidcantrell5344
3 ай бұрын
That's right! Without God, there's nobody for either of them to talk to when they climax.
@noahrenken3773
2 жыл бұрын
Dislike
@luckyvet
6 жыл бұрын
I watched this movie with my 9 year old son (who is aware as fuck) and went over all the agenda driven leftist bullshit in the movie.
@saltygrandpajoe6375
6 жыл бұрын
No You’re not ... but I see why you want to be ... 😏
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