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@fubanuba2827
7 ай бұрын
Never mess with a school who's fight song is about making government agents disappear.
@rockytoptom
7 ай бұрын
Damn straight
@saintsataniko2116
7 ай бұрын
It seems people who either wear orange or "tan" their faces orange are obsessed with making our democracy disappear.
@volbound1700
7 ай бұрын
😆
@bradleyrhodes2820
7 ай бұрын
I laughed very hard and out loud at this. Go Vols LOL
@thomasmalloryevans2932
7 ай бұрын
“…..Strangers ain’t come down from Rocky Top - Reckon they never will…..”
@agentorange3417
7 ай бұрын
You can just go ahead and use Forde's and Dodd's names. Tennessee fans all know.
@jakefromstatefarm33
7 ай бұрын
Pat Forde is crying in the corner right now
@Frank313Archie
7 ай бұрын
Reggie Bush parents got a house so what you mean “it never happened”? It’s always been there with different levels to it.
@papateeins.c.155
7 ай бұрын
Yes sir Josh. Chancellor Plowman is Queen and Tennessee is King. And now that Tennessee has Beaten down the NCAA and quieted ALL the HATERS!! Nobody wants to talk about it. They don't want to have to give us credit for such a monumental victory. It's OK. We know what time it is. It's the year of the Volunteer! GBO🍊🍊🍊
@johnmarschalk1977
7 ай бұрын
Pat Forde had the big headline. Tiny post that NCAA lost. He's a tool. At least needs to apologize.
@stanleyday7293
7 ай бұрын
Couldn't happen to a more deserving organization. The NCAA is an antiquated entity that is holding on for dear life
@RoadTo19
7 ай бұрын
Not just TN has no state taxes. Neither does TX, FL, nor NV.
@ewwee2k
7 ай бұрын
It has always been “pay for play” It’s just now unchecked and sanctioned. But because it had to be done more secretly before. The amounts were less and the players fewer. But it’s always been payoff especially in the South. It just means more 😂
@fredstriker2042
7 ай бұрын
Absolutely
@mathompson53187
7 ай бұрын
Going to love various states taxing laws becoming part of recruiting pitches ...
@kirbysbowlcut
7 ай бұрын
thankfully, TN has none... :)
@Bubbles---
7 ай бұрын
It's always been a recruiting pitch lol (especially in the pros among FA targets).
@RichardPatten-n7e
7 ай бұрын
The NCAA is going to make life hell for Tennessee in any sport!
@mynamedoesntmatter8652
7 ай бұрын
So does this mean the NCAA employees are out en masse now looking for jobs in other fields (yeah, pun intended)? JP: ask Meemaw. She’ll know. Meemaws always know. They KNOW, lol!
@DanWatchesYoutub1000
7 ай бұрын
I hate Tennessee. But they aren't wrong
@PhoenixFlame-e9s
6 ай бұрын
Not this year they won't!
@hogeandrew
7 ай бұрын
FightOn FightOn FightOn
@bigd1996
7 ай бұрын
Can Alabama get 25 scholarships back and 20 million dollars for bowl and tv band
@stevenhamb620
7 ай бұрын
They won't be employed by the university or the conferences. They will probably do something similar like how the WWE hires there wrestlers. Where the players are hired as independent contractors .Much less liability that way
@kyle5771
7 ай бұрын
tennessee should recieve post season bans along with suspensions loss of scholarships and their coach should be suspended for at minimum one season. that dumpster fire of a program has been known for dirty play and doing deals under the table. they also allowed a felon to continue playing which shouldve never happened in the first place. terrible look for college football with them not getting any sort of punishment for their actions.
@tchrishoward
7 ай бұрын
College football, You're Welcome Sincerely, State of Tennessee
@jonathanross149
7 ай бұрын
Tennessee gives NCAA the death penalty.
@justinlafever5653
7 ай бұрын
You hear that, FORDE?! 🤣🤣🤣
@bbqbros3648
7 ай бұрын
Good old rocky top! They messed with the craziest fanbase
@Herb..StateOfGeorgiaOwnsFSU
7 ай бұрын
As a Miami fan nothing warms my heart more than the NCAA becoming irrelevant 😁
@fredstriker2042
7 ай бұрын
Amen
@imresoloman633
7 ай бұрын
He's so right though. The NCAA coming after Tennessee was ALL OVER ESPN. Nothing about the verdict
@douggarrett5288
7 ай бұрын
One of the few times I find myself pulling for UT.
@pdmayton
7 ай бұрын
If the Bama man has sense, this is the one and only time it makes sense for them to cheer on the Vols. GBO.
@mathompson53187
7 ай бұрын
There are rivals on the field, even hated rivals, and then there are flat out Orwellian enemies ... enemies with a smug sense of authority and acts of random punishment with all the sense of a witch doctor reading chicken entrails. If the NCAA goes the way of the dodo I will not miss it, if Tennessee holds the murder weapon then I can begrudgingly give them a pat on the back and a not guilty verdict.
@KennethReeves-e9o
7 ай бұрын
Now that Saban has retired, can we get his boot licking sidekick Finebaum to retire? Then we could have Josh and his team of ‘Pate State Freights’ take over as the official news media of the SEC.
@KingPolo985
7 ай бұрын
So Keyshawn Johnson, LenDale White, Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart we’re getting handed only $100? Cam Newton’s dad demanded $180,000 from MS State before the NCAA stepped in . Players have been making big money years before the NIL
@TheRealBiggusDickus
7 ай бұрын
But but but Josh said it never happened!!!
@vinnythewebsurfer
7 ай бұрын
Pate loves living in his alternate reality where that stuff wasn’t real until NIL. Surely the likes of saban always built his teams off of pure grit and sheer charisma and all these players went to these schools because of “belief” or some other sentimental hot air. Oh but if these teams did do such things, it was only because they were “forced to” like its steroids era baseball.
@xdshepard37
7 ай бұрын
Facts.
@Atrox151
7 ай бұрын
Hell Eric Dickerson was given a gold Trans Am and 50K from Texas A&M.
@RollTide1987
7 ай бұрын
There are exceptions to every rule, my guy. Yes, boosters went above and beyond in the past but more often than not those were one-offs. Any school that got caught doing that multiple times (like SMU in the 80s) got absolutely destroyed by the NCAA. There's a reason why the Southwest Conference died off. There was rampant abuse in recruiting going on within that conference and it all ended up biting schools like SMU, Rice, Houston, and TCU in the ass for the longest time.
@MrONeal
7 ай бұрын
NCAA has messed with the wrong bear. Got the state attorney generals from Tennessee AND Virginia unloading all their massive state funded legal team resources into this case. The Sherman Act is a silver bullet for the Vols against the NCAA. The Vols athletic department reeled in 200+ million last year so they are loaded too. The NCAA is not immune from antitrust law scrutiny. It’s a tragedy the NCAA has gotten away with financially neglecting professional college athletes for so many years. Yes, college athletes are working professionals, not “amateur athletes.”
@UTbagGumps
7 ай бұрын
Love the slap on the half wit “journalist”
@richardgreen1383
7 ай бұрын
Florida, Texas and Tennessee do not have a state income tax along with Nevada, Wyoming, Alaska and S. Dakota. The states of New Hampshire and Washington tax some revenue but not earned income.
@fredstriker2042
7 ай бұрын
Tennessees win is a win for EVERY team!
@dentonyoung4314
7 ай бұрын
It's never happened LEGALLY. Those of us old enough to follow the old SWC know it happened. At one point 6 of the 9 SWC schools were on probation for recruiting violations and the other three hadn't yet been caught. SMU got the death penalty for signing contracts with players that right now would be 100% legal as long as they called it "NIL".
@Number1NegaVol
7 ай бұрын
Go Vols, Down with the NCAA!!!
@chrisgray2824
7 ай бұрын
This whole episode was basically how money has killed college football...
@FLA813BMO
7 ай бұрын
Money was always in college football. Most of it is just over the table now.
@fredstriker2042
7 ай бұрын
It's ALWAYS been money & corruption. It's big business, entertainment AND gambling combined 😂😂
@Bubbles---
7 ай бұрын
Look at all those Alabama players posing in front of new chargers and challengers, money has always been a part of semi-pro athletics (as much as some people still to this day refuse to accept it), teams just no longer have to be quiet about it.
@TimSinard
7 ай бұрын
Hey Josh, there’s always been pay for play for the elite players. If you’re getting $5 an hour or $50 an hour you’re still getting paid…. Or in this case, a Charger vs a Lambo
@DreamKrazy2028
7 ай бұрын
For years the NCAA has enforced rules that are forever changing and often without exception or explanation to universities across America. Each state should have the ability to impose rules based on NIL instead of an association that’s failed every time when it comes to this issue. They have become obsolete!!!
@jefferyparker4277
7 ай бұрын
The idea that individual states should make the rules is silly. There has to be an over arching body (not the NCAA - a new one)that puts everyone on the same page. Could you imagine if the NFL let every state or team just make their own rules. That would be chaos and the idea is ludicrous (not the rapper).
@noelramirez1551
7 ай бұрын
@@jefferyparker4277 yea but people will just ignore them like they do with the NCAA what's stopping people treating the new rules like they don't matter
@jefferyparker4277
7 ай бұрын
@@noelramirez1551Teams don't ignore the NFL or MLB or NBA. It is in the set up of the orginaztion. Give them some real power and real teeth. What you are advocating for is total chaos. I mean if we are going to use the logic you suggest, why have any rules or laws ever. Heck, let's do away with the murder law. People kill each other anyway.
@Mike-sp7zv
7 ай бұрын
@@jefferyparker4277let the states run themselves. If california or some other state wants to restrict their schools in their state then let them. The people in that state voted. It's not difficult for one state to follow the example of another in this case
@jefferyparker4277
7 ай бұрын
@@Mike-sp7zv Again, this is a silly idea. There needs to be a national organization to head a national sport. No state is copying the other "just because". If you think Alabama is gonna do something "just because" Texas did, you obviously have not been paying attention to how things are in this country. For the life of me, I can't figure out how y'all think 1 sport is going to operate with 50 sets of rules. That makes no sense. Now, if a state wants more restrictive rules for their schools, fine. They can handicap their schools. However, the official rules that ALL teams are MANDATED to follow have to be national.
@scottwl244
7 ай бұрын
Josh Pate you are by far my favorite CFB guy. Always balanced and logical and you cover a lot of schools. You do your homework and I appreciate that.
@shadowears
7 ай бұрын
I thought that UVa, a member of the ACC, also had a part in this court ruling!
@UTbagGumps
7 ай бұрын
NIL put Sabans “leased” for $1 or bought by middle school coach vehicles scheme out of business.
@mountaindoom8909
7 ай бұрын
The NCAA will retaliate by throwing unnecessary penalties during the games.
@IIISWILIII
7 ай бұрын
Any Vols fan knows that this was already going on last season
@knoxvillewill7700
7 ай бұрын
GBO
@juansorto8411
7 ай бұрын
Well, in case anyone didn't believe that college football was just beginning to make some great changes.
@lovejoyb20
7 ай бұрын
State income tax, or the lack thereof will be a huge piece of the recruiting puzzle. A possibly bigger part of that will be the differences in minimum wage. The part the players aren't ready for with the "employee of (anyone)" idea is the issue players in the major league sports face. They pay income tax where they play, so now you need a CPA for every player, right down to the water polo goalies. Wait for the scheduling impacts of that too. Every out of conference game/match/series will be played in a state with no income tax. The you come to WHO gets paid. Scholarship players only? Every player? Does a 110 player football roster with 25 walk-ons suddenly become scholarship only and limit the roster to the 85 scholarship players? How many programs inside, and especially outside of D1 get eliminated in the "massive corporate layoff" that will follow the "employee of" model coming into play. The SEC standing firm at 16 schools is starting to look BRILLIANT. "Employee of the conference" is a great way to keep the conference smaller, because football is not the only sport.
@JL-rr6wt
7 ай бұрын
It was only 300 grand and a Charger lol
@jacobbuchanan6076
7 ай бұрын
YES WE DID. Yall are welcome
@Pittboss3
7 ай бұрын
Lets go VAWLS
@OldGuy2-m4c
7 ай бұрын
S.3739 - NCAA Accountability Act of 2024118th Congress (2023-2024) Congress will make laws or decide enforcement. Even SCOTUS rulings will trigger Congression bills leading to laws.
@jbacker1190
7 ай бұрын
We are family friends with a former NCAA basketball coach. "Pay for play" was absolutely happening before NIL. Please don't impune your credibility.
@spencerwarren9219
7 ай бұрын
Ncaa learned you mess with vols and our chanclor plowman will plow the ncaa
@timperry8428
7 ай бұрын
Don't be a fool he says. Listen up folks. It has never been pay to play before. That's ignorant if you think that's the case.
@Liam22278
7 ай бұрын
I love Pate even more now for calling Pat Forde a pseudo journalist
@HansDelbruck53
7 ай бұрын
He said "all the sudden...". The idiom is "all of a sudden".
@frankschaefer8890
7 ай бұрын
The college football unions boutta go crazy
@RJ-fe9pu
7 ай бұрын
Yet another death blow for college football.
@JamesPuckett-k5c
7 ай бұрын
Broken is about as perfect a description of the NCAA, and the current state of affairs relative to NIL, and by extension, the transfer portal, that I can think of...let the bidding war begin! This is not good for the game...
@dangerousdylan6262
7 ай бұрын
And slave labor was good for the game how? If you want to have a business that makes huge profits then that's perfectly fine however you must pay the people that are making you that money... you can't hide behind made up terms like "student athletes" when you effectively want them to be slaves for sake of your entertainment.... welcome to America my friend the land of the free
@JamesPuckett-k5c
7 ай бұрын
@@dangerousdylan6262Slave labor? I don't recall anyone ever, in the history of college football, being forced to play with no way out. The benefit was education, and hopefully, the degree you earned while attending the school of your choice, or at least the one that offered you that scholarship. And for those that were really good at football, maybe it provided a pathway to the NFL (or some other league). I have no problem with players receiving some kind of financial benefit from the game they are playing. The issue currently is that there is virtually no structure to that benefit (and this court ruling is only going to make it worse in the short term - hence my "bidding war" comment). College Football is not the NFL, and nor should it be. There needs to be rules on how "paying of players" will operate.
@jackfullerton5762
7 ай бұрын
Here ya go, i got it solved already.... Everybody on an minimum wage hourly contract for the duration of the game, $15 for up to a 5yd gain, $35 for 6yds to 10yd gain, $75 for 11yds to 20yds gain, $200 for 21yds or anything above or TD,
@jackfullerton5762
7 ай бұрын
Everyone gets the payout, not just the ball carrier at that moment.
@jackfullerton5762
7 ай бұрын
Parse that as who's on the field and those not on the field and were cycled out. ....this is where the criminal mind develops, and it's scary. Thanks ESPN for the distractions from the character building of the collegiate level sport.
@justanornalintrovert514
7 ай бұрын
First?
@beersmoker4444
7 ай бұрын
Let's not forget Virginia is involved to. Almost never root for Tennessee but I have to admit this is good news.
@RollTide1987
7 ай бұрын
If they were employees of the conferences and not the schools, is there a way to write the legalize to say that they will pay the income taxes of the states in which the conferences' headquarters reside in? So for instance players from the SEC would pay Alabama state income taxes and players from the Big Ten would play Illinois state income taxes.
@rockytoptom
7 ай бұрын
Y'all are welcome. Now, we must end paying student athletes, it's destroying collegiate sports.
@noelramirez1551
7 ай бұрын
Lol if people didn't follow the NCAA rules what makes you think they'll follow that rule
@volbound1700
7 ай бұрын
@@noelramirez1551 agree. Players have been getting paid for decades, now it is visible and isn't selective anymore.
@noelramirez1551
7 ай бұрын
@@volbound1700 that's what I've never understood when people say we'll just break away from the NCAA...break away to what and who's making the rules and what makes you think people will follow the new rules idk it's all a sh*t show
@volbound1700
7 ай бұрын
@@noelramirez1551 B1G and SEC will make rules but regulating recruiting was always a headache from day one and I think it led to a lack of parity in the sport as some programs could get away from it while others couldn't. If NCAA was seriously wanting to look at who is cheating, just look at who keeps getting top classes like Alabama and Saban. NCAA has a history of selective enforcement.
@otha1323
7 ай бұрын
this the end of college football will be sad
@xRadio2006x
7 ай бұрын
damn.....CFB is changing like the wind right now......glad we got Josh to give us the facts!
@Tm-ht8uk
7 ай бұрын
Can we just name Nick Saban college football commissioner and get it over with
@tyder2568
7 ай бұрын
Nick Saban First College Football Commissioner?
@TimSinard
7 ай бұрын
Noooooooooooooi!!!!
@christopherjefferson3561
7 ай бұрын
Just wait all y'all wanting to pay kids to play sports you're gonna be paying high schoolers w/in a decade.... good luck
@michaelholt8590
7 ай бұрын
Mark my word. This will bite Tennessee somewhat. Thise same people who wanted to punish Tennessee will still be on selection committees. Who goes to the NCAA basketball tournament will be decided by the same people. The college football playoffs will be decided by those same people. They will try and get their payback someway or another.
@Greydawg
7 ай бұрын
Tennessee is the guy on COPS saying, "these aren't even my pants so *I don't know where the drugs came from"* & getting away with it. That is *not* the same as changing the entire inherent structure of college athletics for now & forevermore on purpose. 🤔
@killersaxsolo
7 ай бұрын
This makes no sense. As of November 2023, the president of the NCAA was on national television saying that there were no rules regarding NIL. How the hell are you gonna backtrack to two years previous to that statement and levy a punishment for a rule that didn’t exist?
@Greydawg
7 ай бұрын
@@killersaxsolo You're citing NIL as identical to pay-for-play, though; they are not the same, to be clear. Remember, in the very same broadcast you mentioned he also reiterated explicitly there is *one rule* to participate in this league, & that's pay-for-play is *not* the same. Tennessee didn't just pay for a player 2,500 miles away to come to Knoxville, TV essentially sight-unseen, but to a record-smashing margin & with explicit wording to *dodge* the rule, not to show how it doesn't work; you don't write that kind of clever wording (& it is remarkably clever, to be clear) into a contract because you're unaware of the rule & its consequences, but you do it because you're inherently aware, just like having the lawsuit literally already written for the very day the penalty was announced, know what I mean? It's the same reason coffee cups have "caution: hot" on the lid, even if it is a good warning. Saying the rule "didn't exist" is inaccurate more than a technicality is all.
@booner8856
7 ай бұрын
@@Greydawg But it's fine for Carson Beck to have enough $$ for his Lambo, and Caleb Williams to live in a $1M+ penthouse because reasons. It's hypocrisy and selective enforcement by the NCAA. If you can't see that then you might be biased.
@Hat-san
7 ай бұрын
Lame take.
@Bubbles---
7 ай бұрын
@@Greydawgbro the NIL "rule" that they were specifically claiming UT "violated" wasn't even put in place at the time Spyre sports provided the plane ride for Nico and the rules that were in place were not clear enough to make them enforceable hell the associates of the NCAA were literally struggling in court to give a clear answer as to what is ok and what isn't when it comes to the world of NIL, so pls explain to me why UT should set back and let the NCAA unfairly sentence us to a death sentence and what the University could have done differently in the lawsuit.
@TheRealBiggusDickus
7 ай бұрын
Yes it has been going on forever Josh. Three letters: SMU.
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