I agree, 100%. He should not have been allowed up K2 with his lack of experience. That said, I understand and respect Mr. Hassan’s drive to provide for his family in these very tough times. Rest in peace, Mr. Hassan.
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching, and for your thoughts.
@OneMagicalMoment
8 ай бұрын
It’s so sad that poverty drives this 😢 They should put in rules to prevent things like this happening. He probably didn’t even know about the risks and thought he was going to be fine.
@cababyboomerq6012
7 ай бұрын
I was stunned to hear that he did not even have a down suit. Was he wearing one when he died? If not, that is horrific that he was allowed to go up there.
@stevenicholson7488
11 ай бұрын
Zero high altitude experience, on the most dangerous spot on any mountain anywhere in the world? What? Nobody can help him in that spot on the bottleneck, what a disaster, so sad.
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
You are right on....an impossible place to be in that situation, even if one has experience. Thanks for watching, truly appreciated. You might have an interest in the video interview I did with the climber who started a gofundme for the Hassan family (some redundancy, but a great interview): kzitem.info/news/bejne/qZtvzmWhp2d0hJw
@StandedInUtah
11 ай бұрын
The 1st step has to be workers' safety. Companies must be responsible for training, proper equipment and meeting safety standards. This would require a trustworthy, fair, and active government regulatory body. The wealth disparity between the paying clients and workers will not be solved by climbers. Climbers can impact the companies by holding them to the highest standards and treating their support teams fairly.
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
Hey, thanks for sharing your thoughts! I totally agree that companies need to step up their game when it comes to workers' safety. Truly appreciate your thoughts
@shawneeGoes
6 ай бұрын
I agree whole heartedly. When setting out as a client one should look to book services with a SOLID track record of treating their employees with respect, fair pay and be as safe as possible. Every high altitude person on their team should be vetted to the highest degree. I think people should understand this man gambled his own life at the chance of higher pay. He went up knowing the risks, with lack of experience and lack of proper gear. No-one can save you up there. It’s just how it is and people go up knowing they are the only person they are responsible for. It looks cold hearted but you sign on the dotted line that no one will help you down after you get to a certain height.
@susanhunter9196
8 ай бұрын
For me, nothing would be more important than helping another human being. My brain wouldn't allow me to just step over him, and continue on. I'm not judging others, that's my brain. I'm what people would call, a highly sensitive person but, there's way more to it than that. This story is just heartbreaking for many reasons. His family deserve all the love and support and I hope it continues. Hopefully, one day, no one will have to jeopardize their life to care for their family.
@theworldisavampire3346
4 ай бұрын
There were people ahead, and at least 100 people behind on the BOTTLENECK . Google that. It's in the death zone also.
@doriandundee9906
Ай бұрын
That's because you're a good person opposed to those attempting to get up on that mountain for their stupid picture and diner table story. and yes, I am judging them as should we all. a human life is a human life.
@dougshelby939
11 ай бұрын
I don't know if I will ever get it in my brain that the Mt Everest model of commercialization has been put in practice for other 8K peaks. Especially the harder ones that were the domain of the very best of the best climbers in the world. Like K2.. ESPECIALLY K2!!
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's off the charts. It's a different world out there. I would be far less inclined to be attracted to the 8000 meter peaks if I were just getting started. Thanks for watching
@meta4101
10 ай бұрын
@@EverestMystery Yes, the race to the top has become a race to the bottom in terms of skills. I am an old school mountaineer. I would never consider a supported, guided climb that removes everything that I value in mountaineering. If I (in tandem with my partners can't lead it) ... then I have zero interest in climbing it for the sake of bragging rights.
@somjasa
11 ай бұрын
I think many "bucket list" climbers have non or very little interest in/knowledge of how they affect the locals and their living situations/standards. Fast in and faster out... Some sort of regement for climbing business has to be put down in order to keep all risks at a level of acceptance for both locals and climbers. Accidents will still always happens but hopefully not due to pure stupidity or lack of respect for human lives.
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
Good insight...I tend to agree. There were several guiding companies who turned around when they saw what was happening. Before the teams departed for the summit they said if there is a rescue, we are all stopping to help... In this instance, they were stopped well below because of the traffic jam created when Mr. Hassan fell. Thanks for watching!
@dt3802
11 ай бұрын
No one without experience should be allowed up the mountain.
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
I agree. With the commercialization of the mountain, people with almost zero experience are now climbing it. Crazy world we live in! Thanks for watching!
@dougshelby939
11 ай бұрын
And here's a point that I don't think has been made yet, but I'm sure it would have occurred to everyone eventually.. the high altitude Pakistani porter with actually zero high altitude experience.. somehow, someway, got himself damn near the top of freaking K2!! Where he collapsed is the traverse underneath the great serac!! Above the dang bottleneck and just before the final summit snow slope!! If it wasn't such a ugly incident because of everyone else in the vicinity basically not caring about anyone else but themselves.. that would be considered an incredible achievement even more than Dudley Wolfe!!
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
Totally agree with you...the fact he got that far is astonishing actually. The gofundme page started by the climber I interviewed in the previous video has raised $170,000 already. Here's the video if you have an interest in a deeper dive: kzitem.info/news/bejne/qZtvzmWhp2d0hJw
@joelr8443
11 ай бұрын
Thank you for bringing this to attention. Proper discussion on where mountaineering is going.
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
And thank you for watching, hopefully the dialogue has some beneficial impact.
@xenoaltrax485
5 ай бұрын
She summed it up pretty well (to paraphrase): "Should the rope fixing team have turned around, told everyone the summit push is over, and instead help this guy in need. But a lot of people paid to get to the top..."
@gemmrk
3 ай бұрын
There's no way he was going to make it, everyone knows this. Why is this even a question.
@xenoaltrax485
3 ай бұрын
@@gemmrk That's a b*llsh*t reason to not even try.
@schranzmartin
11 ай бұрын
very well explained! Thank you! I also think that it's not that easy. It's just easy to judge from home on the sofa....
@jayalejandro324
11 ай бұрын
I feel your pain and your concern. As a self-made Monk I have see that the life that was lost was due to greed; a scenario where one would take a chance to gain something, like money. If this were a drug we would care little, but it was for making a one's life better. We all do it. The temptation is greater than one would expect. This man took his chance and cared only for monetary gain. He lost, BUT, people had to see it, and worse yet, had to step over him. How many bank robbers would simply step over the dead on the way out? How many people would step over their own dead to kill their enemies? What needs to be regulated here are the rich people's ability to TEMPT innocent people into risking their lives. Rich people could care less about whether you die or not. They just want their lunch on the moon and a picture on top of Everest. Why aren't people allowed to boycott or fine these selfish primate-minded scum?
@NefariousEnough
11 ай бұрын
Thanks, Thom. This is a heartbreaker. Glad that Wilhelm is doing the best possible thing a man can do in such a situation.
@jamieroach5755
11 ай бұрын
Im of the opinion if i went i there and got into trouble then its on me , i dont want anyone risking there life for me. I know what i was going into and its on me not on the people passing me by
@kathrynchamberlin3405
11 ай бұрын
After watching videos about this topic, I think the climbing ‘industry’ must add a fee to the paying customers that covers the cost of staffed rescue climbers with medical, oxygen and skills to assist those who may still be saved if helped down. On the big ones like Everest and K2 this insurance policy would save lives. It should simply be part of cost of a paid expedition.
@davidrennie8197
11 ай бұрын
There was no rescue from the point of the fall. It was tried a few years before and far more died then.
@gabriellawebber548
5 ай бұрын
Still I agree, such policies should be mandatory.
@alexandros8361
3 ай бұрын
I think the climbing companies and authorities would gratefully accept the extra bonus contributions. And then do absolutely nothing as usual.
@humbertsmith8864
11 ай бұрын
Again...great video, thoughtful perspective as usual. It's sad that you have to deal with trolls while trying to educate. On a different level, we are seeing people in Nepal take Jeeps on treks as high as possible, "completing" a 3 week trek in 4 days. Sickening.
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
Trolls come out of the woodwork in droves...I don't think twice about hiding them from the channel like I used to. I know there are far more good people than not. Thanks for your comments....and....Jeeps, go figure
@thevigarfeeling
11 ай бұрын
Great video. It is for sure sad the amount the Sherpas get paid as they work so hard. We believe it’s the responsibility of the climber to know how far they can push their own bodies. Very interesting subject.
@tarawaukeri8928
9 ай бұрын
What a great man you are! Spread the kind words. There are pilots, that when faced with death, and against orders, they flew to White Is in search of survivors. The Island is an active volcano. The risks real and more obvious to an untrained eye. I doubt these pilots, men, call themselves heros and do believe, they would've found life more difficult if not for trying to save life given the opportunity. Would you choose to summit over the life of another, and would you tell that tale with pride for your remaining life? Train. The self sacrificing will of this man that perished could've trained and become well equipped through employment in removal of rubbish...perhaps...just a thought for those that wish to gain funds and experience. My thoughts, often unkind and out of perspective, knows to keep trying, is progress.
@tsjackson72
9 ай бұрын
I always enjoy watching your posts so let me thank you for this one! You already know I love this journalist, and always enjoy and respect her point of view. I don't know what should've been done about Mr Hassan before he climbed the mountain - maybe outfit him with suitable down clothing and given him some sort of training to say the least. I realize there is mention of not allowing anyone high on the mountain without high altitude experience. How do you get experience if you are not allowed to climb beyond base camp? One more thing, I have such a mix of strange feelings when I see these extremely long lines of climbers on not only K2, but Everest, and I'm sure other peaks as well. I feel embarrassment and a bit of shame and don't know why. Maybe it's because lives have been lost, or maybe summiting seems to be losing its specialness.
@EverestMystery
9 ай бұрын
Thank you for your kind words. I'm glad you enjoyed the video. I'm a big fan of Angela, as well. It's definitely a complex issue when it comes to climbers like Mr. Hassan. As for gaining high altitude experience, it's a tricky balance between safety and allowing climbers to gain the necessary skills. In these areas it's not unusual for a porter to be provided with a down suit and then that person sells it for the cash before ever heading up the mountain. There should be better self regulation, and some accountability on the rope team that Mr. Hassan was climbing with when he fell. They left him in the dust....not cool, not cool at all. Everyone seems to focus on Kristin Harila, which is honestly absurd, as she wouldn't have had the technical ability to pull off a rescue. I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
@lulabellegnostic8402
11 ай бұрын
Here’s the thing. The first high mountain expeditions were by enthusiasts ( albeit amateur) who dedicated their lives to exploration. They were teams of like minded individuals venturing into the unknown, supporting each other and experiencing national pride ( as they were usually from the same nation) when one of their own succeeded- knowing that not all could. NOW we have individuals on an ego trip spending fortunes in the expectation of being hauled up a mountain. Their only goal is their own summit and stuff everyone else. And you wonder why there is a problem.
@jocarson5310
11 ай бұрын
Why do you have any possible reason to care what people do with their money? Who are you to determine how, why, and when choose people spend? I think the REAL problem is you, and many like you, aren’t satisfied living your own life without superimposing your individual value system on others. Consequently you, and others like you, feel entitled to your opinion that those who climb the highest peaks only do so for the enrichment of the hive, not the individual. 1 in 4 climbers die in K2. Rich or poor; the mountain doesn’t discriminate
@lulabellegnostic8402
11 ай бұрын
@@jocarson5310 no, dear. The problem is you indulging yourself in a rant telling me how i should think and behave. Which is what you are whining about. The irony is clearly lost on one such as you with limited mental capacity.
@doriandundee9906
Ай бұрын
This story just speaks volumes about the type of person who would be interested in climbing k2 or everest
@paulnelson5314
11 ай бұрын
We all make decisions throughout life, some have wonderful results, some, not so much.
@SectorSos
11 ай бұрын
❤ what a great channel!
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much 🙏
@eugenehatin.420
11 ай бұрын
20$ a day??? To porter up k2… jfc….
@michaelcameron2292
11 ай бұрын
These poor guys should be on 500 dollars a day Some clients are probably paying 60.000 dollars just to get on an expedition It's absolutely shocking what the Sherpas and porters are paid
@zbignoz.tunnlerwitz_109
11 ай бұрын
@@michaelcameron2292 these guide companies should be audited and transparent with finances by the governments of the foreign nations in which they operate their businesses.
@meggo329
4 ай бұрын
How come they all ban together and say no one goes up unless our pay goes up.
@stewijones738
11 ай бұрын
Hi I read somewhere that you need around 10 years experience to tackle k2 with expertise in rock and ice climbing, seems extraordinary he was able to get up there or have they bastardised the black pyramid with ladders etc so tourists can do it? It used to be the purists mountain, maybe someone can elaborate?
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
In the last several years the mountain has been flooded with with commercial guiding expedition companies. Essentially, a beginner can climb K2 now. It's a different world up there, with garbage and human waste, peak bagger tourist mountaineers and inexperienced people who would have no idea how to rescue anyone. Here's another look at the situation this year: kzitem.info/news/bejne/qZtvzmWhp2d0hJw
@stewijones738
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the reply, unbelievable this has been allowed to happen
@flowermaze___
Ай бұрын
$3 a day? It’s actually awful that wealthy tourists are putting peoples lives at risk like this for such little pay. Literally less than a cup of coffee. Thats got to change!
@RyanWalshGuitar
2 ай бұрын
Did he say $20 a day?!? For the high altitude porters? That's unconscionable. Those people risk their lives every time they go up there.
@flowermaze___
Ай бұрын
It’s sick
@gemmrk
3 ай бұрын
The real tragedy is that the workers putting their lives on the line get paid less than a McDonalds worker in USSA
@rubyred6954
5 ай бұрын
I think it’s a travesty what the porters and Sherpas get paid! That should be regulated. So sad😔
@TheUnfinishedSynth
5 ай бұрын
Keep seeing all sorts of blame for this incident but, nobody seems to be talking about what team/expedition he was with. Instead of picking on the more notable “names” on the mountain that day, who were the climbers/sherpas he was with? What did they do to help him or advise him not to climb so high? Which company was he working for? Should they be fined or even not allowed on the mountain anymore?
@thestorkcaliph
11 ай бұрын
While I agree that Mohammad should not have been allowed to climb that high, I think that the attempt to rescue him should have been made. If rescuing him was impossible, it was still immoral to step over his body, especially while he was still alive. I remember stories of other climbers that have either attempted a rescue or abandoned their summit push when they encountered someone lost and dying in the death zone. I remember stories of the climbers who honored every single member of their own team and even competing teams who died in an attempt to reach a peak. These stories are from decades ago though. But now all that is needed to justify stepping over someone is to say that the one in need of help had no business being there in the first place, that they were poorly educated, and so on. Clearly, times have changed, and not for the better.
@AM1999
11 ай бұрын
There was an attempt to save him, but it was impossible.
@thestorkcaliph
11 ай бұрын
@@AM1999 Suppose you are referring to the cameraman who stayed with him for an hour or more. That was nice of him to do. Though that was not really a rescue attempt, more like comforting. Sorry if I don’t believe other claims, such as those of some other climbers staying with him for a few hours. If one claims that rescuing him from the mountain was unrealistic, they should also admit that several people staying in that one spot on the bottleneck for a few hours, while others are approaching them from behind, is also not very close to reality. It just doesn’t add up, you know. Also, these claims appeared only after the public outcry, which is telling. Again, if he couldn’t have been saved, then this is understandable. It’s stepping over his body to get to the top while he’s still alive is what really bugs me here.
@antoniotula262
11 ай бұрын
I googled K2 bottleneck a while before this tragedy happened, to better understand clips & short videos that didn't have references. Once I saw other photos that were panned out shots, then I saw there is really no room (that's probably why they had to step over him). This bottleneck is beneath a huge vertical wall of ice and drops off near vertical beyond that. There's only room for one rope from what I saw. All this above 8000m & subzero temperatures. If they got his body off K2, that would have been extremely risky and difficult. *Well I just read an excerpt from Pakistanis' inquiry into this matter from Alan Arnette's blog dated Sept 6th. The part that caught my attention was where Hassan lagged behind the Sherpa led rope laying team on the Abruzzi route. Sometime after midnight, Hassan fell about 7m down off the boot path, pulling out a screw that attached the rope to the mountain. His carabiner that attached him to the rope saved him from falling further, but now he was upside-down tangled in the rope. There were avalanche and the team advanced but, 2 Sherpas stayed behind to pull Hassan back to the boot path and free him, but they were unable to do so. With bad weather approaching, they left him. When Kristin Harila's team arrived at the bottleneck part of the Abruzzi route hours later, they encountered Hassan moaning in the condition the 2 Sherpas had left him. They pulled him back up to the boot path, but were unable to free him. Definitely read this part of the report and look at pictures of this bottleneck. It will at least provide a better understanding. 16:38
@thestorkcaliph
11 ай бұрын
@@antoniotula262 indeed, it provides some understanding of why saving him was extremely hard. However, it doesn’t provide any understanding for me why he was stepped over on the way to the top while he was alive.
@antoniotula262
11 ай бұрын
@@thestorkcaliph Yeah, it seems people stepped over him before Sherpa or cameraman stopped to provide oxygen and whatever else he was given.
@lisawhereisthecultjam
11 ай бұрын
It’s really too bad that in a world with such a surplus of food, water, medicine, etc. that people still get paid pennies to legitimately risk their life. Yay humanity!
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
True....it's like a planet filled with tribes looking out for their own....
@antoniotula262
11 ай бұрын
That gets right into currency value differences, economic policies, corruption, and many factors. Agreed that it is ultimately a shame. It shouldn't be like this.
@Eyewonder3210
11 ай бұрын
100 people on K2? Isn't climbing it a much more difficult climb which requires a lot of experience? If so and its going to get crowded, better lay two lines. One going up and another next to it with stretchers that can slide slowly down. They will need it.
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
There isn't enough room for two ropes, unfortunately. There are many guiding companies vying for clients to climb K2....and it will only get more and more crowded. The times sure have changed!
@Sam-vo1lf
3 ай бұрын
Sorry I'm a little confused in the video: K2's Dark Truth: Have Mountaineers Lost Their Soul?, it seems like this story is presented in a way very differently then in this video and: in Her Own Words | Kristin Harila's CHILLING Encounter on K2. In the, K2's Dark Truth: Have Mountaineers Lost Their Soul, video Will Steindi says for example: "and you could see all those people stepping over him and heading to the summit and um actually actually in this situation you have to start a rescue mission at this point so you need to bring it down as fast as possible because otherwise there's no change just a chance to to save his life it's not possible you cannot think um I will give him oxygen I give him one water or something like that and I just leave him there no you just need to bring him down at this moment and he was still leaving so we were really shocked because of those pictures that nobody they started to to bring him down and it's easy that it's not easy but it's possible to bring him down his situation so actually that was the thing why we were so shocked in this moment". From the video it seemed like Will Steindi is an expert high altitude climber, so I guess I'm confused why he thought it was so clearly possible to bring Hassan down compared to the comments in the other videos? Will seemed to be very aware of the location of Hassan body, his lack of previous experience...but was resolute in condemning what happened and that a rescue mission should have happened. Would it be possible to have Will back on?
@SNLandCruisers
6 ай бұрын
$3/day and $20/day is ridiculous.
@tarawaukeri8928
9 ай бұрын
Thanks
@EverestMystery
9 ай бұрын
Thanks SO much! It is such a great gift to know you're enjoying these videos :-)
@tarawaukeri8928
9 ай бұрын
It's spectacular at the same time as, and, most importantly, helpful. As well as your followers, in the comments section, I've learnt that when traversing a glacier, to always hook on. A wish for my bucket list, to some day step foot atop a glacier. Top 'o the mornin' to you, Sir!
@EverestMystery
5 ай бұрын
I truly hope you one day get your wish of walking on a glacier....I suggest somewhere in the French Alps, perhaps the Mer de Glace.... Thanks again!
@calxtra5361
11 ай бұрын
Its seems like mountaineers have lost the ethics they had and I would like a moratorium on climbing K2 and Everest to give the spirits of the mountains a rest and make summiting special again .. but limited numbers .. paying more to all the porters and sherpas that take their lives in their hands for their families
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
yes....thank you for watching and for sharing your thoughts!
@doriandundee9906
Ай бұрын
Very disgusting. The way described that was really worrying in my opinion. She basically said nobody wanted to ''waste'' the money they had invested to save this mans life and that in of itself is EXACTLY what the public was upset about and EXACTLY what ended up happening so nothing changed about the story! If you're so cought up in your money and good diner table story adventure that you're unwilling to save another human's life then you are EXACTLY the type of person that was criticized over this story by the public. No if ands or buts All the people that walked past him right then and there declared in front of rolling cameras for the entire world to see what the price of a human life is FOR THESE CLIMBERS... What's the K2 attempt cost? 10k ? 20k? All those people said that this mans life is worth less than the total cost for a summit attempt. That's the statement we got from them. There is nothing you can say to change that. This incident demonstrated to the world exactly what type of person is looking to reach the peaks of these mountains and/or what this type of climb has become. It was obvious to me and many others for years what these types of people are actually like but now with this example we've got a 100% clear and undeniable demonstration of their nature. That's the only positive that came out of this. That the world now understands who these people are so the next time someone is trying to impress you by talking about their K2 attempt etc just walk away from that person. They've got nothing of value to add outside of their own perceived 'epic adventure' and self-aggrandizement. Talk to them about literally anything else and they'll have nothing to say. A vast majority of these climbers are empty, hallow shells of human beings that need to feel like they've acomplished something... something that would be IMPOSSIBLE for a good 98% of all these climbers WITHOUT the help of locals and modern tech. Todays summit attempts compared to what it once was are the equivalent of taking a dive in a swimming pool with full respirator/rebreather diving equipment on and calling it heroic. Take your mask off! Remove the tech and the local labor force. What are you? A dead man... in an environment, you couldn't survive for an hour on your own while the actual heroes... the locals... end up paying the price for these wealthy cretins but don't you worry... he's just a porter, a glorified pack mule so who cares if he dies... If you delete this then you're declaring your stance on the matter.
@jmeshox2730
11 ай бұрын
Everybody knows it's every man for himself up on those mountains, If you aren't prepared die alone up there you don't belong up there..period.. I would have stepped right over him as well
@gabriellawebber548
5 ай бұрын
I like your honesty
@meditationsoundscapes5203
11 ай бұрын
there is no moral dilemma. you help a struggling person or countinue your self absorbed narcissistic goal. I would prefer to save another human even if he is an economic slave
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
I appreciate your thoughts and really happy you took the time to watch the video. Here's an interview with Kristin Harila about the incident that you might enjoy: kzitem.info/news/bejne/yK9_2454e3RyeaA
@barrykeith8
11 ай бұрын
Have you any news on messner getting stripped of two climbs as they are now saying he didn't reach the true summit..very sad after all this time
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
I've been looking into it...honestly, it's trivial. He seems to not care. He's always the king to most mountaineers. Hopefully, I can bring some more on the story soon. Thank you!
@rn2787
10 ай бұрын
It's not just that they stepped over him, they never even tried to get help. He probably never would have been up there if anyone cared in the first place. Paying someone $3 a day on a trip that costs tens of thousands of dollars is proof that they never gave it a thought. He lost his life because of greedy people who didn't care. I don't know that they could have saved him, but they could have tried and they could have at least been there for him as he passed. You might not be able to help, but what you can do is do the right thing and nobody did. The privileged people have examined their behavior and decided to blame everyone besides the people who walked over him as he died and did absolutely nothing to help him.
@meggo329
4 ай бұрын
So enlighten us how would you have saved him since you know so much. I will wait. People tried to help him by the way there is no saving you on K2 so get off your high horse.
@rn2787
4 ай бұрын
@meggo329 I wouldn't have paid him $3 a day expecting him to be a skilled sherpa. I wouldn't have left him to die alone with nobody like a heartless a$$hole. I don't think I am better than everyone. I just think that literally stepping over a dying man to get to the top of a stupid mountain is evil. I think taking advantage of someone's desperation and poverty to get to the top of a stupid mountain at a discount makes you a bad person.
@carolinejordan12
11 ай бұрын
I realize the locals depend on climbers for their living, but there should be stringent regulations and a moratorium of 4 years before ascending resumes.
@dogpound7162
11 ай бұрын
Very well off folk paying porters 'peanuts' to risk their lives, I suppose the poor wages have something to do with the lack of equipment, a nice down jacket would cost them a few months wages!
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
Many of the clients on these mountains are not well off....However, in relative terms, yes, they are. High altitude porters are given the equipment needed to climb up high....the very poor ones have been known to sell the equipment immediately to get the money.
@robins1237
11 ай бұрын
It's sad that climbers can step over or walk past an injured or dying climber. It's tragic that a successful summit has more importance and meaning than saving a life does. This is extremely disturbing to me. Even if they can't save their lives how can they let them suffer and die alone? I would rather people say of me" She was a compassionate mountain climber that cared for others" than say "she summited the mountain". I live by"what I can do for others, not what I can do for myself". All the while enjoying every activity I choose to participate in. You can have both.
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
I hope you enjoyed the video....thanks for watching!
@srstrand01
11 ай бұрын
I wonder: Has the axe been laid at the base of the mountain climbing "Tree" by the actions of the climbers on K2 that day?
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
Honestly, I'm not sure what that means. I do know he did not have an ice axe.
@srstrand01
11 ай бұрын
Another way to say it: Have big mountain climbers damaged the general climbing community to the point that public support of climbers of big/any mountains will be held in disdain.
@freddyfriend5462
9 ай бұрын
I assume that even if they had managed to lower him, he might have become disabled for life with his brain significantly erased by hypoxia. I do not know whether they have disability benefits in their country or not.
@thefivews4720
11 ай бұрын
A part of me wishes to have the founds. To pay Sherpas and other 8000 m peck workers. To say of the mountains. Because I feel that will slow down. All this people that don’t need to be in 8000m being there. And hopefully bring the 8000m back to the 70s,80s and 90s.
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
If only we could go back to the old days. I don't see it happening....it's a different world out there with the 8000 meter peaks. Thanks for your thoughts!
@thefivews4720
11 ай бұрын
It be possible but it will take millions of dollars to pay of the governments and most importantly the Sherpas. Nepal and Pakistan mostly care about that permit fees. so if you can pay them of to only give 50 permits. It may return to this days
@svetavinogradova4243
10 ай бұрын
@@EverestMystery Can using human help and using oxygen be prohibited for climbing such peaks?
@Trish.Norman
11 ай бұрын
❤ ya Thom. For the algorithm
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
Trish, thanks...you're the best
@dindu551
6 күн бұрын
everytime someone croaks on the mountain people try to blame the permitting authority. ridiculous. humans are responsible for our own safety and the rest is pretty academic innit
@theworldisavampire3346
4 ай бұрын
How did he become a porter when he had no experience?
@EverestMystery
3 ай бұрын
We'd need to ask the expedition outfitter that hired him and gave him the permission to go above Base Camp
@KathrinHausermann
11 ай бұрын
Is it a Tragedy? Yes! Could it have been avoided? Completely by the realization that K2 is a Mountain for absolute Pro's and not for him. Was he talked into the climb/summit push by his Clients? Was he afraid to loose out on earning money? Probably, in the end he paid with his life.
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
I appreciate your perspective. No one talked him into it....he was led forth by a need to provide his family, and was most likely uninformed of the real risks. The commercial expedition companies that hire porters should be held to much stricter standards. Thank you for watching.
@KathrinHausermann
10 ай бұрын
@@EverestMystery I completely agree.
@LinusWilson
11 ай бұрын
You are looking tired. Take care of yourself.
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
Thanks man....appreciated
@myadorablefosters
11 ай бұрын
I know if im ever laying injured and dying, i I want to have a big huge crowd of people standing around me gawping at me instead of just going about their damn business. Oh, wait, no, no i dont want that. Not at all.
@EverestMystery
11 ай бұрын
Totally get that. With a single rope on a trail that was not even the width of two feet side by side, it was impossible not to encounter the gentleman. Thank you for watching!
@cinnamongirl5410
3 ай бұрын
Commercial mountaineering has left a bad taste for everyone concerning mountain climbers. It used to be seen as a sport. And people working together to attain the most difficult goal. Almost heroic when I was a kid. Now, it's just seen as a wealthy ego pursuit. But I have to say, those wages are slave wages no matter how you frame it. Com' on pfffttt
@readdeeply9278
11 ай бұрын
The decision to climb over injured or deceased people is not a sudden moral dilemma faced in harsh conditions. People make that decision from the comfort of their warmest coziest chair, far in advance. I don't even climb, and even I know that there will be dead and injured on that mountain - everyone knows. It made me a little sick in the stomach to see a string of people like ants crawling their way up. They wouldn't treat a church this way, would they? The mountain is not replaceable, it is rare, and that poor porter was just trying to make a living in an economy that would make most Americans cry and run away to Russia given the choice. What we have to ask ourselves is what is the purpose of stepping over injured and dying people as if they weren't there? Ego, mostly. Or entirely. And what kind of person is good with that choice, and will put tens of thousands of dollars into it - instead of maybe using that money to start a charity. No one needed anyone at all to go up there and trash that pristine, holy mountain with human feces and oxygen tanks, garbage and the husks of the human dead. It serves no purpose. If you want to test your fortitude, be a single mom for 20 years. If you think the cold is a challenge, just be poor and live in Wisconsin. The only thing climbing a mountain earns you and this beautiful world we live on, is yourself patting yourself on the back.
@robinette64
11 ай бұрын
I think they should outlaw any and all expedition companies. If you don’t have the skill set to summit on your own you shouldn’t be there. Period.
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