Hi, I would like to know your opinion on the differences and similarities between Tang Soo Do, Soo Bahk Do and Karate
@combatlearning
4 ай бұрын
Good stuff. Taegeuk are the new(ish) forms and Palgwe are older. Both closely resemble karate forms, but the palgwe are barely more than reformulated Heian kata.
@PracticalTangSooDo
4 ай бұрын
Gotcha, so many forms to keep track of here. I remember Won Hyo having sequences directly from the second Heian. just watched some Taeguek videos and you definitely don’t see as much connection to the Heian specifically but they still look very much like karate.
@dabossbabie3605
3 ай бұрын
Yo Sah Bum Nim. I hope you're doing well. I've been doing TSD for 10 years. First 4 in a Dojang where I reached Cho Dan Bo. Then studied in another for 6 and reached 2nd Gup. Unfortunately, circumstances changed. I found and am currently studying an amazing Dojang that teaches MMA with a focus on Taekwondo. I went for my first class, and followed along. The forms Pinan are basically our Pyung Ahns, and the palgue/taegeuk forms are really different. Even Bassai is pretty different. I noticed start differences than I'm used to. For instance, I'm used with prepping before stepping, pivoting with the foot and pushing with the thigh. Instead, I see a circular motion of movement when stepping. What exactly is this, and what are the different implications of circular step/technique vs a direct step/technique? There's also this thing where instead of prepping for a double knife hand middle block from the hip, the kind of put them over the shoulder all the way to the back and then block (kind of like an upwards dab?) What are the different implications of each type of prep?
@anthonyrussomano7015
4 ай бұрын
I grew up WTF I agree with a lot u said I think it’s different now than it was in the 90s they def are great kickers there hands are lacking like u said the sport kinda has them leaning a certain way I like it better than watching the karate in the Olympics I don’t like point fighting I like the continuous sparring it’s def made my tangsoodo def than most ppl I love kicking but I think the martial art needs to work on their hand striking boxing when it comes to the forms they are really interesting but I don’t like the bounce up and down we never really did bunkai when I was training but over all taekwondo as a kid made me a great athlete and great kicker we did lots of tricking so a lot of the kicks are not practical but the art of it is great and like u said ppl always bust on me for coming from TKD I think we can learn from each other I love the clinch sparring u do as it’s super important I wrestled my whole life I think tie ups dirty boxing hand control takedowns real takedown a lot of martial art takedown would not work against a wrestler so my question for u sir is what do u think when instructors say well these moves are for the untrained person I think that’s not good we don’t know what someone knows anyone with some skill could give u trouble with some of these techniques that don’t seem practical especially now with mma and bjj I think the traditional art needs to evolve more and more
@madmuffin8489
4 ай бұрын
Hey, I was wondering if you had any advise, I am a first gup but I am struggling to improve my sparring, any tips or tricks? Love the content though, please don't stop!!!! :)
@josephhampton9497
4 ай бұрын
I’m a shotokan Sensei coming from a taekwondo background and the transition was easy because of the similarities. They’re both connected in the Shuri Te lineage.
@mastermcelona
4 ай бұрын
Great stuff Dan as always.
@sansmartialarts8377
3 ай бұрын
I tend to think of TKD practitioner’s kicking as akin to a surgeon using a scalpel and Muay Thai/Kyokushin Kicking as using your leg like a Baseball Bat. 😆
@baker1207
3 ай бұрын
It's more like Metal Baseball Bat vs Wooden Baseball Bat.
@MichaelT83310
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for answering my question. Really interesting thoughts.
@ShingoF961
4 ай бұрын
When the above-the-waist kickboxing (called "full-contact karate" in the 70s) was popular during the 80s, many of the distinguished champions and top contenders came from taekwondo backgrounds. The first PKA light heavyweight world champion, Jeff Smith was a student of the late Jhoon Rhee. Tommy Williams from Oklahoma came from the Jhoon Rhee lineage. Victor Solier was a WTF stylist who had a successful kickboxing career. Curtis Bush was another great champion who came from tang soo do background. These are just a small sample.
@barrettokarate
3 ай бұрын
Howard Jackson was a Chuck Norris black belt. He originally studied under someone named Williams in Michigan I believe, before meeting Norris and Bob Wall in 1970 and switching to the Norris system.
@ShingoF961
3 ай бұрын
@@barrettokarate Jackson's mother was against his son's training in karate, so Jackson decided to join the Marines and expected to be sent to the Orient, but instead he ended up in California. That's how he met Chuck Norris.
@olney_tkd
4 ай бұрын
The Taegeuk forms are actually one of the newer sets of taekwondo forms. I don’t practice them personally, but I have played with them a little. They don’t really contain very many sequences straight out of the Shotokan forms. What you’re probably thinking of in that regard are the Chang Hon/ITF forms, which are the oldest tkd forms. Won-Hyo from the Chang Hon set for instance is almost exactly like Pinan Shodan/Heian Nidan. WT/Kukkiwon began practicing Taegeuk in the 70s or 80s (not sure exactly as I come from a different lineage). Before that, WT practiced a more traditional set of forms called Palgwe (spelled in English several different ways). The black belt forms were the same between these 2 form systems, but the colored belt forms are totally different. The Taegeuk have fewer deep stances and a lot of people say they’re easier, but I haven’t done them enough to have an opinion on that. ITF made their own forms beginning in the 60s. All styles of tkd originally practiced the Shotokan forms, of course, before designing their own. WT and ITF are the big two divisions in the tkd world, but I won’t go into the political powder keg that caused the split. All of this is a vast oversimplification, but I’m already writing a novel here. 😁 A bit on my background, for full disclosure: I’ve been doing what I call traditional tkd for over 30 years. Stylistically, I’m actually very similar to you, except I use the ITF forms. I even grew up on and teach point break sparring. I started in the ATA, which is an early break off of the ITF that has used their own forms (Songahm) since the early 80s. I left in 2011 to seek a more traditional (and less blatantly commercial) training for myself and my students. I’m a big fan of your stuff!
@PracticalTangSooDo
4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the clarification. I was thinking of Won-Hyo here. I just looked up the Taegeuk’s and they are very different but I would still say you can clearly see the karate in them. A lot of blocks, lunge punches, stuff like that. A lot more kicks too though. Thanks for following the channel.
@olney_tkd
4 ай бұрын
Oh yeah, you can definitely see the karate in them, with more kicks mixed in. There are those in the tkd world who insist that tkd comes primarily from indigenous Korean martial arts. To me, that’s ridiculous on its face when you look at the forms.
@PracticalTangSooDo
4 ай бұрын
@@olney_tkd yeah the history is quite clear in regards to the influence of Japanese karate. There might be something to the claims that there is influence from older arts like Taekkyon. The Korean style of kicking certainly is different from Shotokan, early on too. There’s a film of Moo Duk Kwan practitioners from 1960 that shows jumping and spinning kicks that would not have been prevalent in the Shotokan of the time. It seems more likely to me though that this is a modern evolution of the art. My understanding is that we don’t really have any idea what Taekkyon actually looked like, everything today is a modern recreation.
@josephhampton9497
4 ай бұрын
My knowledge of the Taeguek forms made learning the Shotokan Kata pretty easy.
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