I was so upset we lost veterans, cause my entire list was veterans in chimeras. But I forgot about Kasrkins returning from the dead. These honestly make me excited again. Better Veterans.
@PelinalDidNothingWrong
Жыл бұрын
I wish Scion's got the Harlequin treatment so they could be their own thing. I'd love to use some in kill-team.
@aliengoat9418
Жыл бұрын
Think you can fill up a killteam with 2 fireteams of scions. Not sure though
@ToastedMap1e
Жыл бұрын
@@aliengoat9418 you can! And there probably one of the more solid teams too (Just generally good)
@stephen9to5
Жыл бұрын
As a pure Scion player and kind of scared that they're losing their identity. I wish GW kind of went the way of harlequins making them a small subfaction that can be played really solo
@YaboitheCadian
Жыл бұрын
As a Cadian fanboi from the beginning. I'm damn glad Kasrkin are coming back
@rmkarros
Жыл бұрын
I'm in the same boat, even converted mine to be beast men using victoria minis heads and legs. now I'm even more convinced I'll skip this book and take a break from 40k.
@TheSilverDragon1
Жыл бұрын
IMO, every faction should have its own subfaction. Like sisters of silence or kroot. Really flesh them out with heavy and fast attack units. I hope we see more in 10th.
@RiffSilverthe1andonly
Жыл бұрын
Tempestus detachments were so fun
@munchkingod6
Жыл бұрын
I’d love to see Scions get rolled out of Guard and into a new Inquisition book. Let them be inquisition Special Forces instead.
@douglashansen7869
Жыл бұрын
I really hope that the scions command squad didn't lose the 'bring 4 of a weapon', that was my favorite/only use for them. I'd rather not sit there and roll 4x unique weapons >_>
@anthonylulham3473
Жыл бұрын
4 unique weapons but i hope they introduce a scions destroyer squad. 4 plasma shots right where you need it was super useful
@thegorefatherdonkhorneleon5159
Жыл бұрын
You will definitely have to vary weapons. That’s consistent with the direction they moved
@stevenschnepp576
Жыл бұрын
@Friendly Neighbourhood Sunwheel You say that like SM aren't neck-and-neck with Guard in a race to the bottom.
@RedFlagification
Жыл бұрын
@@thegorefatherdonkhorneleon5159 but tau can get their "unlimited" (only limited in points) fusions blasters or whatever on their crisis suits.. hellblasters limited... eliminators and eradicator squads can only take 3x unique weapons.. oh no.. they dont.. its just the guard that get f* up again by GW in the end of 9th.. cause thats what we were all waiting for
@matthewcoffman4053
Жыл бұрын
GW be like: "oh no disgustingly resilient as a 5+++ is too time consuming, make it just -1 D" Also GW: "you MUST never EVER take two of the same special weapon in ANY kit EVER"
@555tork
Жыл бұрын
without knowing the complete rules it looks like karsarkins should be used in support of other infantry or heavy weapon squads using their higher BS and special weapons, while scions with deep strike and the option for smaller squad sizes should be used more aggressively by deep striking either for objectives or better angles to shoot.
@davidhobbs5679
Жыл бұрын
Mutch agree, the lack of inbuilt order givers for kasrkin and the lack of deep strike changes how they are used. Kasrkin are not stand alone and more front line (the way I like em) scions are more like navy seals/sas while kasrkin come across as more of a paratrooper/commando (in the british/aussie sense) vibe
@pauledwards9493
Жыл бұрын
@@davidhobbs5679 agreed.
@iapetusmccool
Жыл бұрын
Looks like my kitbashed Catachan Veterans (and demo squad) are going to be promoted to Kasrkin. With, er, pump-action hotshot lasguns.
@IW-44
Жыл бұрын
Kasrkin popping out of Chimeras with the Mechanized regiment trait could be a good move
@DarrinSK
Жыл бұрын
And cool as hell
@iainclark2959
Жыл бұрын
My poor Scions army - farewell Lions! It was a honour serving with you.
@WeOnlyEatSoup
Жыл бұрын
They will return next edition I'm sure. But it's very annoying for scion lovers
@krakkentrace6095
Жыл бұрын
I'm on the same boat as you. Well if I waited for the codex, I suppose I can wait for 10th edition to play again
@grud8495
Жыл бұрын
The kasrkin sound like troops I want to send with my main battle line to grab objectives. The scions then are your deepstrike operatives to do the secondaries where you need to be in your opponents zone, or need to take out glass cannons on their end of the board. Imo, it's perfect, because now they both have value, without one of them being always better than the other. that is true balance.
@thekinginyellowmessiahofha6308
Жыл бұрын
Kasrkin are heavy infantry Scions are drop troops.
@MrPace-ge4qy
Жыл бұрын
GW should have named the new Guard supreme commander after Mordian Glory for his splendid service 🤣
@bradleycavalier1311
Жыл бұрын
Lol GW is probably going to assault Mordian for his service. Like guard has been ignored for two years.... And they start taking about 10th and guard doesn't have a codex and is bleeding units
@Dragonspirit223
Жыл бұрын
I'm really worried of pure Scions losing its flare. Currently we get unique Warlord Traits, Relics, Stratagems, and a really unique and fun Regiment system. Now we get... basically the 133rd Relic and Strat, and we have to assume the only good thing we'll get from a pure Detachment is our Elites become Troops. I think I know what composition I'll run: A Detachment of Scions, probably a Battalion, with 2 Primes and a Psyker, 6-7 Scion Squads, a Taurox Prime and a Valkyrie. Then a Vanguard Detachment with Kasrkin, Rough Riders, either a Cadian Castellan or Cadian Commander, with some Ogryn and Bullgryn. And to top it off a Supreme Commander, because he's just really darn good. Obviously points will limit things, but my point is there's not that much incentive to go full army of pure Scions, especially with the options standard Guard has been given.
@missivory_missraine
Жыл бұрын
@Friendly Neighbourhood Sunwheel tbh seeing people bitch about "my army is losing its purpose" well...they did the same thing with Elysians and Death Korps. They did it to Catachans. They did it to Valhallans, Tallarn, and Preatorian Guard. Kasrkin were taken out of the codex for Scions. Now they're back. You didn't lose fluff. You stole it from Kasrkin. I just want GW to make the codex less Cadian, and make it more GUARD overall. Cadia was destroyed we get it "the planet broke before the guard did." But make the codex less cadian friendly. Make it guard friendly.
@discipleofdagon8195
Жыл бұрын
@@missivory_missraine the scions were meant to fill the gap because that'd be like if every chapter followed the codex astartes to the letter. Kasrkin are cadian, stormtroopers are their own thing utilised by the Departmento Munitorum and sometimes the inquisition. I love the scions but they're becoming like other 1st founding legions compared to ultramarines, less supported with less unique models unless James Workshop can make a buck (see: Black Templars only really coming back because the emperor's champion model was a big hit). I want more krieg plastic kits potentially armageddon conversion bits so bad.
@missivory_missraine
Жыл бұрын
@@discipleofdagon8195 We won't see em. Gw axed like 90% of the Krieg line of models.
@discipleofdagon8195
Жыл бұрын
@@missivory_missraine forgeworld (and recast ig) still exist but are far from financially viable outside of the one kill team box... thanks Geedunce
@gwell2118
Жыл бұрын
I think from the looks of the two last kin function more like stormtroopers, spearheading army assaults. While Scions seem more like Marines. Getting into enemy lines and causing sheer havoc. I honestly see a use for both.
@xlightingedgex
Жыл бұрын
I'm wondering how effective Kasrkins maybe if put in one of the Baneblades with a firing platform as basically a big mobile bunker for them considering their cheaper (but not by much) than the scions GW obviously think that there is something in the codex that makes up for losing deep strike and flexible squad sizes
@Maxislithium
Жыл бұрын
I have 40 Kasrkin from the metal days. I have been waiting for this.
@mlpman246
Жыл бұрын
Imagine having the Kasrkins engaging the enemy from the front, but then the Scions deep strike behind to outflank and surround them!
@RocRolDis
Жыл бұрын
40k intimidates me. You have the game rules, then your consistent faction rules, then your faction rules that change every turn, then rules for individual squads, then rules for individual models in individual squads then strategems for each phase plus mission rules. Now double that because you need to be aware of all of that for your opponent's army. I can't juggle all of that.
@bormfski9058
Жыл бұрын
First time guard rules have changed in 5 years really so it’s actually not as bad as it seems
@MiloshBlack00
Жыл бұрын
Use your brain, it's as simple as that, it's not that complicated.
@RocRolDis
Жыл бұрын
@@bormfski9058 I'm not talking about just guard. Space marine doctrines, custodes martial forms, drukhari turn buffs, canticles of the Omnissiah combined with dozens and dozens of strategems... There are so many additional rules that change the base rules and eachother that I just can't remember them all.
@RocRolDis
Жыл бұрын
@@MiloshBlack00 That's an interesting way of reacting to someone having trouble with rules that even veterans say have gotten bloated.
@uwesca6263
Жыл бұрын
Well for me and some people i play with (we play rarely) we came tocthe conclusion of not using specific layers of rules. So no subfaction rules and sometimes no strategemes or no relics. Because it only make the game boring if people spend 80% of the game flipping rulebooks.
@equos5060
Жыл бұрын
No more pure Scion armies....? Holy shit. WTF GW?
@urzasungei988
Жыл бұрын
they should really be interchangeable in lore they are equivalent but once based directly on cadia doctrine and training values while Scions are more standardized imperium wide due the the schola. they should both get Tourax primes and Valkyries. but Scions then kasrkin. but lore wise much of a muchness. would want a company of each.
@mattkelly6226
Жыл бұрын
kasrkin are trained on Cadia Scions are trained by the Schola where Commissars are trained. So very different.
@highmarshalbalian680
Жыл бұрын
@@mattkelly6226 when I started the Kasrkin we’re just the pinnacle of the Storm Troopers
@grimnir8872
Жыл бұрын
@@highmarshalbalian680 Kasrkin were never Storm Troopers. They're equipped in the same way, but Storm Troopers are basically the Imperiums SAS while Karskin are more like cadian veteran squads.
@RiftShredemption
Жыл бұрын
@@mattkelly6226 despite their regimental battlecry, Cadia's burnt mate. Ain't no one trained there anymore. So, not THAT different. One is SBS, the other are USMC Raiders. They'll both tell you they're different, but they do a LOT of the same jobs.
@mattkelly6226
Жыл бұрын
@@highmarshalbalian680 yeah back in 3rd they used kasrkin and stormtroopers as the same thing. They expanded on the lore in 4th I think explaining that Kasrkin were just the best of the best cadians.
@uselesssidekick69
Жыл бұрын
Watching a Mordian glory video he showed a kasrkin unit with a relic that let the unit deepstike. So am guessing this will happen in the movement phase so turn one command phase give them lord solars re roll everything give them +1 to hit +1 ap order then deepstrike them into the enemy lines 😀
@TheCrimsonSpork
Жыл бұрын
Sounds interesting, but probably not worth the relic if a 10 man Scion unit can basically do a similar thing
@Fenix3513
Жыл бұрын
Command phase is before the movement phase though.
@uselesssidekick69
Жыл бұрын
The scions can't deepstrike turn one and they can only take one of each weapon the kasrkin can take two of each? And that's the point order's are given out in the command phase and the Lord solars abilities so the unit will have all the buffs before it jumps. The kasrkins start on the board if that makes it clearer as well
@danielflavelle9984
Жыл бұрын
@@uselesssidekick69 Scions take one of each *per 5 men* so a ten man unit can take 2 of each, just like Kasrkin. The Kasrkin would get that bonus sniper rifle, which would be nice, but rerolls on scions means more chances to roll 6's and double tap (mind, they dont start on board so its not really comparable)
@uselesssidekick69
Жыл бұрын
Like the video states pros and cons for both it will be a nice surprise for the enemy tbh I am going to try both out I have 30 old kasrkin models already to deploy just waiting for the book lol
@bjorngreybeard1624
Жыл бұрын
Love that these are back! I still have my metal set from way back in the day
@fiole666
Жыл бұрын
I think we are many to have an army of scions with full paint scheme and transport, so year of work, and lods of € : wha'ts going on ?
@lupusprimealpha6198
Жыл бұрын
GW: We have decided that we think IG players rolls their dice to efficiantly. How can we make them use even longer time rolling dice? New guy: Uhm.. we force them to not be allowed to have more then one of the same special weapon. We can’t let them have the ability to make small special weapons squads of 4. What if they make plasma squads? Thats to close to the primaris marines full special weapons squads and we can’t have that now can we? GW: I dont know who this guy is but he said my favorite words… primaris marines. so do as he says ASAP!
@makeitrain280
Жыл бұрын
I’m still hoping that scions can be deployed as their own regiments and do something similar to world eaters where the main elite choice unit becomes the standard trooper. Though from the sounds of it I think they’ve just been relegated to being just another unit.
@zachweber1908
Жыл бұрын
It feels like a peice of the scion puzzle is missing. The changes to the command squad leave a lot un answered. Do they operate like the regular comand squad and can take advisors and body guards? If so does that provent them from deep striking? Can those units go in taurax primes? The primes now state you can only take 1 per scion unit in the army. Soooo can they now take more the commisars and scions? It just seems scions have rules or something missing to me.
@Bobamelius
Жыл бұрын
A cheeky deep striking Scion squad or two will combo well with the regimental tactic that gives artillery +1 to hit while there are friendly infantry within 12" of the target (expert bombardiers was it?)
@fin4314
Жыл бұрын
So a guard sniper rifle is dmg 3 and Ap -2, but other more advanced races are stuck with snipers that don't even come close? Primaris eliminators don't have a rifle round hitting that hard
@Orannis01
Жыл бұрын
Their Las fusil do better than that
@equos5060
Жыл бұрын
Chaos has no snipers.... Alpha Legion cannot field snipers....
@velphidrow8317
Жыл бұрын
@@Orannis01 the Las fusil is an anti tank rifle
@Orannis01
Жыл бұрын
@@velphidrow8317 and what stops you shooting infantry with it?
@velphidrow8317
Жыл бұрын
@@Orannis01 you can I'm just saying it's not a sniper rifle. It's an anti material rifle
@keyne444
Жыл бұрын
About delivering the Kasrkin somewhere... what about that teleportation relic? Mordian Glory had used it in his playtest with Blood Angels to a satisfying degree.
@chrislacombe5976
Жыл бұрын
As an inquisition player I am worried without the ability to make scions troops in their own detachment. Since I can slot in a inquisitor in only patrol, battalion or brigade this is gonna shake my plans up immensely.
@bobdole6768
Жыл бұрын
kasrkin should really be LD9 or 10 from a lore pov
@miaou429
Жыл бұрын
Yep, when I saw leadership 6/7 I was like come on guys! ^^
@velphidrow8317
Жыл бұрын
Lolno
@kostakatsoulis2922
Жыл бұрын
Personally im gonna have these guys come screaming out of reserves in a couple of Valkyries, blaring Fortunate Son as they land right in the battle line while the transports cover them them with a hail of rocket fire
@cordial001
Жыл бұрын
This is the way
@bjorngreybeard1624
Жыл бұрын
Make then vendettas, better gunships after they drop the payload of troops
@kostakatsoulis2922
Жыл бұрын
@@bjorngreybeard1624 wait Vendetta can carry troops?
@Azoth86730
Жыл бұрын
Major difference between Kasrkin as Cadian Shock Troops unique Elites choice and Storm Troopers as generic IG Elites choice has always been that the Kasrkin had Demolition Charges as per Cadian Shock Troops army wide special rule and they lacked Infiltrate/Deepstrike special rule in return, whereas the generic Storm Troopers had Infiltrate/Deepstrike special rule ever since 3rd Edition. And another major difference was 2000 Mark Bedford Storm Troopers sculpts to represent the generic Storm Troopers as Imperial Guard Elites choice (and Inquisitorial Stormtroopers of Daemonhunters and Witch Hunters as Troops choice) and 2003 Juan Diaz Kasrkin sculpts to represent the Kasrkin as the Cadian Shock Troops variant army list Elites choice.
@Nolsie
Жыл бұрын
I think scions are better from what we know now, but their identity is so lack luster right now. They should add Lucifer blacks to the faction or give them some method of using the assassins in an interesting way. I hope they end up their own subfaction like harlequins or something
@Wizardsfirstrule57
Жыл бұрын
The scions went from a troops choice to elite they are definitely worse
@MagosDominusRevan
Жыл бұрын
They were with their own codex for a time back in the day. And its lame. They dont need to be lke harlequins and to be honest harlequins should not be a thing on their own as well.
@fox21231
Жыл бұрын
They seem like redundant units, they are so incredibly similar that they could have been on datasheet with different wargear options.
@oldschoolben438
Жыл бұрын
Kasrkin = Rangers, more of a heavier frontline assault force to seize and hold objectives. Scions = SEALS / Delta, more of a scalpel and used in small units and infiltration.
@MagosDominusRevan
Жыл бұрын
@Friendly Neighbourhood Sunwheel Its not the weapon that makes you a warrior but your skills and training BOI
@MrFiremagnet
Жыл бұрын
One is awesome old-school unit that was in the lore for a long ass time, and was so popular it just couldn't be wiped from existence, and make a glorious comeback. The other is Scions.
@NoFlu
Жыл бұрын
I like the idea of regular veteran/spec ops troops vs paratroopers (and yes, I will not count regular veterans as veterans for this discussion). Allows for a bit more flavor. I always liked the idea of Scion rolling up in vehicles compared to other infantry, but they were always wasted when not grav-chuting (the scion starter set really should've had a smaller flier instead of the taurox). Anyway, like the destinction now, just hoping Scions will still be able to be run as its own army....
@Azoth86730
Жыл бұрын
Wish GW would redesign Scions back to the tacticool Storm Troopers of old, Michael Perry and Mark Bedford Storm Troopers of 2nd and 3rd Editions. I don't understand why the Scions got knight armour and gothic ornaments when the Storm Troopers are supposed to be tacticool, I miss the HECU look of 3rd Edition Mark Bedford Storm Troopers specifically.
@oblivionfan345Tony
Жыл бұрын
I like how all the comments are crying about Scions being overshadowed and made useless when all evidence suggests they're soundly better than the Kasrkin
@TheTobaccoman
Жыл бұрын
Kasirkins feels like heavy armored and up gunned troops , where as scions are the tactical drop in and nuke a target specialist unit. Scions being more flexible and tactical choice and kasirkins being there to support your battle line.
@TheCyborg000
Жыл бұрын
goddammit. I was planning to run scion command squads as melta and plasma squads.
@mattkelly6226
Жыл бұрын
This is why GW limited it.
@fin4314
Жыл бұрын
@@mattkelly6226 Nah, they limited it because they don't want you converting your models and getting any ideas about bits from other companies or *gasp* 3d printing them
@NoUseForAName06
Жыл бұрын
quick question, so if I take the regimental doc that let's Kasrkin disembark after moving, does that mean they can exit a Valkyrie after moving without having roll if any of them die? Because I am not using the Valks rule that lets people disembar after moving but rather my regimental trait.
@davidhobbs5679
Жыл бұрын
I believe this would apply if it was in hover mode, as models may disembark normally, flying I believe it would depend on the wording of the rule (I.e, CAN the model normally disembark). Normally rules as written it'll be something " this unit may disembark after a vehicle has moved, provided they are able to do so" or something like that
@alexisXcore93
Жыл бұрын
It Will depend on the strat. Some are only for aeronautical imperialis, other a for specificslly for chimeras. However unless it specificslly says that you dont roll a d6 for the grav chute ability, then it does not have it and you must roll it regardless.
@pixelgoat7317
Жыл бұрын
Hotshot Sniper Rifle!? Hell yeah! Another excuse to yell,"TAKE THE SHOT!" at the table XD
@Harleqyin
Жыл бұрын
Aaaaaaand my Scions are completely gutted. Some 3k points of pure Scions that I'll now have to completely re-jig just to actually fit into GW's master pla- I mean, new ideas... GW punishing long-term players never ceases to amaze.
@osamaobama879
Жыл бұрын
Interessting that they make them different in that way. I am courious how they will be in the final Codex. And shure my Kasrkin will see the Battlefield again!
@lightbringer9898
Жыл бұрын
Kasrkin giving my flashbacks to my child hood in 3.5-4th kina Era around the Eye of terror campaign, when a drop troops army based around transports and Valkyries, very much black hawk down in theme :D i think technically they were stormtroopers rather than kasrkins, but still.
@richard_n
Жыл бұрын
I like the options that Guard players are getting now. Makes playing a lot more customizable.
@landerbennewith6169
Жыл бұрын
I'm looking forwards to geting my Inquisitor led Scions army out on the table.
@danhay2505
Жыл бұрын
7:43 "Scion Regiments are likely gone" OH YES! HAIL TO THE GREAT ONE! We can finally do away with those ridiculous Psychic Awakening rules!
@spoonsrattling
Жыл бұрын
I like em both and definitely gonna be using both regardless
@GamingPaladin
Жыл бұрын
Kasrkin not having deep strike is garbage. Like, in Cadian Blood, which they're just re-releasing, the Kasrkin attached to the company drop in from a Valkyrie to save the day right near the beginning of the book. :P
@RiffSilverthe1andonly
Жыл бұрын
With the amount of one special weapons per squad, kasrkin with 2 means you can load em up with plasma and meltas and just yeet them in a fast taurox toward the enemy and get a first turn big damage from 110 points
@ericrhinehart9155
Жыл бұрын
I always preferred the look of Karskin. Happy they’re both strong.
@masoncarter1710
Жыл бұрын
As a person who is building up a scions army right now, I think I'm team scion (sam fisher FTW). I'm curious how I will be able to use scions alongside regular guard, right now it's basically non-existent. It would be very nice if I could bring a guard detachment alongside a scion detachment and not have any downsides.
@Knightstruth
Жыл бұрын
As a new player who bought a bunch of Tempestus Scions, I definitely remain in favor of the Scions. I just wish I could decide on how I want to paint them. I had been considering painting them in the style of the 9th Iotan Gorgonnes but with Kasrkin coming back, the paint scheme for them feels a bit like it's imitating the kasrkin too much. Maybe I should just paint them like the standard Tempestus Scion. The Kappic Eagles was it? Or a custom paintjob? Part of me was thinking of doubling down on the medieval look of their armor and painting it silver with gold edges and Blue berets. I don't know.
@alixplaysguitar
Жыл бұрын
silver with gold trim would be super cool imo
@oblivionfan345Tony
Жыл бұрын
I paint mine black armor, red clothes, gold trim
@rodneygaul2227
Жыл бұрын
Just pick colors you like : What is your Favorite color ? Do you like Grim dark or Fresh for parade Grounds ? Once a color picked ? have a darker shade for base , 1 or 2 medium shades for high lighting , and a light shade for edge high lights . UNLESS you're going with basic coverage with just speed paints ( which looks just as good ) Pink and Purple with Turquoise trim ? Emerald green and Earthshade Brown with gold trim ? Black and White ( light grays ) with Silver trim ? Red and White ( light grays ) with Blue trim ? GW is wanting to stream line everything . Guard has to many options for rules and they're trying to shoe horn us into being Space Marines / Just pick a color .
@_Morph1ne_
Жыл бұрын
My personal favorite scion regiments are the 54th Psian Jackals and the 68th Deltic Lions. I think they look rad so I would tell you go with one of those
@stevenschnepp576
Жыл бұрын
I'm focusing medieval with mine, including swapping their heads with Skitarii Vanguards for a full techno-medieval look. I'm planning to field them with a Knight painted in Bretonnian red and blue, so they'll probably be painted something similar.
@JeepWranglerIslander
Жыл бұрын
Nuts. Here I was hoping to be able to field them as troops and keep my Krieg grenadiers list as kasrkin proxies.
@Stanislav292
Жыл бұрын
I think GW has finally shown that: Kasrkins are heavily armed and armored veterans for direct assault Scions are spec-ops Both units can do everything but of course they are better in their speciality
@benclark3457
Жыл бұрын
Then they shouldve created the Kasrkin as such a unit, rather reinvent a unit noone asked for, one that fits into the structure of the AM rather than ad-hoc units from a dead world that cannot be reinforced. Cadian's themselves were barely tolerable but ELITE therefore prescious Kasrkin that are eventually going to be rarer than Space Marines lore-wise??? GW should not have brought these back under the 'Kasrkin' name, the models are fine but not as technically Kasrkin. A doctrine as homage to Kasrkin wouldve been sufficient, and we can paint them how we want, but mass produced units in a codex? Cadians were tolerable but not elite Cadians. Lose a lot of respect for GW for this, as a life long Guard player.
@danielflavelle9984
Жыл бұрын
I mean basically they just replaced Grenadiers for Krieg with Kasrkin and made them basically interchangeable.
@Stanislav292
Жыл бұрын
@@benclark3457 I don't respect GW for making IG meat-shield and canonfolder, without logic and normal reason, just because they can do that. And you can argue that this update is amazing for Guard and huge step forward for making them good army(I'm mean in lore) And still only time would show how it'll be
@Stanislav292
Жыл бұрын
@@danielflavelle9984 I mean... Krieg's grenadiers still exist... or I missed something?
@danielflavelle9984
Жыл бұрын
@@Stanislav292 Grenadiers exist in the Krieg list, but with a new Guard codex will the Krieg list still exist? Doesn't look like Grenadiers are likely to be in the 9th guard dex, despite having Krieg infantry. That kind of suggests to me that the whole Krieg army is going to legends, no? Convenient, then, that Kasrkin are EXACTLY a match for Grenadiers now in terms of niche...
@razpenguin
Жыл бұрын
Just going to use Kasrkin models for Scions because GW has forgotten that the fluff says Kasrkin are superior quality troops to Stormtroopers.
@sanninjiraiya
Жыл бұрын
So Kasrkin seem better for artillery heavy lists where you want a solid battle line and to fight in the middle while scions strike me as more useful in Eldar/Tau/GSC style lists where you want to pressure your opponent from weird angles and hit those spots really hard.
@jorgea4358
Жыл бұрын
The point is that we dont have veterans anymore, but we have karsking doing the same role so... support infantery with with better weapons and cuality fire.
@chriswalls6275
Жыл бұрын
Looks like my Scion army is going to fall apart with this new codex. Might just not rebuild.
@thecruzking
Жыл бұрын
so can someone explain the proper lore difrence between Kasrkin and Scions? i know kasrkin are the elite of the cadians. but are they veterans or something independent/distinct from veterans? are scions the kasrkin of other non-descript guard regiments? please explain, thank you.
@sivel7493
Жыл бұрын
I wonder how big the scions models compared to Kasrkins/new Cadians models, are Scions as big as the current Cadian models? The ones that are about to be revamped I mean.
@oblivionfan345Tony
Жыл бұрын
Kasrkin are a little taller and bulkier than both Scions AND the new and old Cadians
@Relgar47
Жыл бұрын
Scions are about the same size as the old cadian models, so they're still shorter than the new cadians. I wonder how mix and matchable theyll be since the proportions are going to be a little wack
@MagosDominusRevan
Жыл бұрын
@@Relgar47 You mean like in real life where people have different hight ? : ))
@Relgar47
Жыл бұрын
@@MagosDominusRevan more so that if you were to use scion legs on a kasrkin torso, will the model look like detective baby legs? Or are the arms going to make the model the opposite of DK mode.. the difference in scale (as well as density, the new line of minis are noticeably slimmer than the old sculpts) will have an effect on mix and match ability for kitbashers.
@BonziKittyGamingHub
Жыл бұрын
His leaks are form the old play tester copy 2 years ago. These rules are most likely have been changed.
@ronpaul5319
Жыл бұрын
Everything GW has previewed has been a 100% match to the leaks 🤷♂️
@darrenprong2632
Жыл бұрын
He's been spot on so far...
@fox21231
Жыл бұрын
You should compare kasrkin to the CURRENT veterans guard have.
@darko-man8549
Жыл бұрын
The “one of every special weapon” only and seemingly “just another unit” on scions rather than their own thing is leaving a lot to be desired.
@setaripantheon8801
Жыл бұрын
I like both models very much! Would like to do an army with only one of them! But I like the Kazakin more in Gamplay as it seems from this video, and I hate the Thorax Vehicle model....!
@Roman-zc8gf
Жыл бұрын
Kinda hope Krieg grenadiers come back as well, otherwise I'll just use one of these as substitute rules and then use the gren models
@Roadrun98
Жыл бұрын
Why do they keep making elite units when we're still missing dozens of regular guard models... space marines gets dozens of choice, IG get cadian, cadian and a 20yo Catachan kit...
@leandrochavez6480
Жыл бұрын
Hi, i just finished watching the last video you posted, this is insane :D
@SChen-ei8gx
Жыл бұрын
...if GW takes away my ability to play a pure Scion list as troops or a least a CP neutral Vanguard with opsec... that would be just sh!tty of them for all the people that have pure Scion Armies.
@sarico7827
Жыл бұрын
SO I've used my older kasrkin as scions and even had a full "scions" list with kasrkins.
@matkilla454
Жыл бұрын
Scions needed a buff not what looks like a nerf, hopfully the rest of the rules are better.
@puenboy1
Жыл бұрын
I can't really see when you would take Kasrkins over scions, considering how vulnerable they would be while they move up. Deep strike for short range weapons is just too nice to pass up, since you don't essentially have to double their cost for a transport. You could pay a cp to give kasrkin sergeant the teleport relic but is that really worth it?
@javilo2797
Жыл бұрын
Karskin are the coolest models of all 40k
@sarcasticlittleass
Жыл бұрын
Disembarking form a moved transport and then still being able to move is super strong on a unit that has some some punch.
@tom4115
Жыл бұрын
Just look at them. They're beautiful.
@javilo2797
Жыл бұрын
In warhammer down of war 2 they devastating and super fun to play against
@WeOnlyEatSoup
Жыл бұрын
Personally like the Scions over more Cadians with cooler uniform's. Cadia gets so much attention it's just annoying, but I am glad to see the Kasrkin get new models
@quadcannon
Жыл бұрын
The fact that I can't take 4 of the same special weapon in a squad disappoints me greatly.
@Arcodus
Жыл бұрын
Team Scion for me. Though the proportions of the Kasrkin are more sexy.
@storm1thunder332
Жыл бұрын
Does anyone have any pictures of scions models next to kasrkin models? Wondering about scales
@andreaambrosini9711
Жыл бұрын
Do scions and kasrkin models share the same proportions?
@roys.1889
Жыл бұрын
Is it me or does the scion's hotshot-volley gun* looking a lot more like a flash drive than a weapon?
@kaliax5356
Жыл бұрын
You mean the weapon visible at 9:46? It's a hotshot volley gun
@roys.1889
Жыл бұрын
@@kaliax5356 Oh! yeah that one.
@lachlancannard
Жыл бұрын
No doubling up on special weapons is going to make scion armies super slow to play with.
@elliottgaal9774
Жыл бұрын
At least Scions got some boosts. I suppose you can proxy Kasrkins as Scions.
@discipleofdagon8195
Жыл бұрын
I'm actually tempted to do that
@guerrillavanilla
Жыл бұрын
luv me Scions
@guysolomon7904
Жыл бұрын
So my Scion army is no longer legal and I now have like 12 excess melta gun Scions I can't field? Great...
@ghillieguy52
Жыл бұрын
kind of hope they repurpose the scions kit for inquisitorial storm troops
@CMTechnica
Жыл бұрын
No deepstrike on kasrkin? Means my valks can finally be dusted off. Sweet.
@thetraitorguardsmen.5321
Жыл бұрын
I'm going to make all my kasrkin into war hawks i have plenty of spare lasguns. And gravchute's.
@robertnathan5250
Жыл бұрын
Well there goes my pure scion list *sigh*
@Romeo_Delta
Жыл бұрын
GW is putting the very minimum they can into the Guard codex if all the leaks are to be believed. If Scion regiments are gone I won't even bother playing until the next codex comes out.
@MagosDominusRevan
Жыл бұрын
You will not be missed bye :)
@robro2214
Жыл бұрын
Cadians are becoming the ultra marines
@fiole666
Жыл бұрын
We can't play anymore a full army of Scions ? Please tell me you were kidding. It can't be. It just can't. What is this ?
@thekinginyellowmessiahofha6308
Жыл бұрын
It seems fine. Scions are delta force, kasrkin are rangers.
@jagermeister_1754
Жыл бұрын
Can you transportkasrkin in valkyries?
@youtubevanced4900
Жыл бұрын
Guardsmen get more attacks than Space Marines..... GW just being GW.
@sholy26
Жыл бұрын
*insert "why not both?" meme here*
@theTemplar08
Жыл бұрын
Like the scions but need access to the Valkyries.
@globaloccultcoalition9074
Жыл бұрын
So, can someone correct me if I’m missing something here, but is it just me or are the Kasrkin kind of just actively worse then the Tempestus Scions for some reason? They have better CQB, but don’t have deepstrike to get there, have fairly paper survivability (as expected), and all around kind of just seem… meh? Doesn’t quite live up to what I was expecting, given that they’re more or less described as being one of the only things better then the Tempestus Scions in lore.
@velphidrow8317
Жыл бұрын
They have never been described as better then scions in lore. That's the lucifer blacks
@outrageoussharpie4107
Жыл бұрын
I mean it's a Guard unit, it's going to be meh, the package deal is that its 105pts for 5 special weapons and a full squad of 10. One squad is perhaps insignificant, taking three with transports is more of a threat. Combine with industrial efficiency doctrine as your bonus doctrine and you have 4+ saves even against common AP-1 weapons like bolt rifles, which is not too bad.
@globaloccultcoalition9074
Жыл бұрын
@@outrageoussharpie4107 That actually makes them appear a bit better then how I originally imagined. Thanks.
@robertmurfet5834
Жыл бұрын
SO MUCH CONTENT1111
@milcearry
Жыл бұрын
Can I use them with SM
@justinius2170
Жыл бұрын
Taking both
@Makarislethal
Жыл бұрын
So is war gear special weapons free or am I paying 10+ pts per weapon?
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