This is a good 1v1 analysis battle. Some fans would overhype Katara's skill when her blood-bending feats don't support it. She will lose plain and simple. And I believe that the creators intended it to happen, to make Amon's threat to be as big as it is for Korra to overcome.
@AntoineBandele
7 ай бұрын
I appreciate you on that. I try to be level headed with this stuff. Because you're right... a lot of the VS scenarios for other fans are dictated by favoritism.
@notfex1427
5 ай бұрын
@Rando_180, sorry buddy, I'm gonna tell you straight up. Amon can do it too, and he did it to a blood bender that had the same training as him, so it's not exclusive to Katara only, who had to use the moon to breakout of Blood Bending. And no, her blood bending is just like Hama and would be just like Hama's if she chooses to use it, cuz like you said, she never needed use it, doesn't want to it, and has no training to use it, so she would never be in the same level of blood bending as Amon, Yakone, or even Amon's you her brother.
@notfex1427
5 ай бұрын
@Rando_180, yea, you're either trolling seriously hard, or you're just down bad for Katara. Either, I ain't arguing with you fam 🤣🤣
@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon
5 ай бұрын
@Rando_180Nice bait...
@JuniorMarzy
3 ай бұрын
@Rando_180your wrong 😂you Katara stans
@mastrocecchianimation8815
11 ай бұрын
Let's go! Super curious to see all the analysis! I love Katara, but for me Amon without a doubt, I believe that even if Katara could and wanted to use bloodbending (so with a full moon) Amon would be able to overpower her as he did with Tarrlok or as Katara herself did with Hama, plus... what the hell would Amon be able to do with the full moon if he boosts his already terrible power? Terrifying, Avatar would probably turn into a splatter show
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Yeah. With or without the full moon would be the same result based on the logic of the power levels of bloodbending as explained in the lore.
@dreaming_cthulhu
10 ай бұрын
Re Katara’s relative inexperience compared to the other talented benders: I think she advanced so quickly because she was having to use her bending to defend herself and her friends in real-life situations as they traveled around the world. Nothing better for learning how to fight quickly than being put in life-threatening situations over and over
@nimsisarts2017
9 ай бұрын
'Being in a near death experience was also a good motivator' -Bolin
@cupidok2768
8 ай бұрын
he's psychic.
@yamiyomizuki
5 ай бұрын
speaking from experience, being under pressure forces you to get better at what you already know how to do but it won't speed up the acquisition of new skills reall.
@JuniorMarzy
3 ай бұрын
And PLot
@Swahili14
Ай бұрын
Something typical delulu fan from amons fandom would say@@JuniorMarzy
@abetterworld96
Ай бұрын
The fact that Amon took his waterbending grip as far as taking bendings away besides being able to use it during the day (which by itself is already proof of a strong bending grip, which runs in the family as said by Yakone, them having the strongest waterbending bloodline) and deflecting attacks from other benders just by using his mind says everything (like, literally), his bending is even strong not even a powerful bender such as Tarrlock who also had a powerful bloodbending grip as well was able to subdue him, heck, him and Yakone were able to bloodbend by jusy using their mind which not even Tarrlock could do. Now tell me it doesn't take a powerful bending grip to do that. Sorry, but I have to go with Amon on this one.
@KhajiitKharjo
11 ай бұрын
I can't even imagine a single scenario where Katara beats Amon in a 1v1
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Same.
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Unless one adds in some sort of plot contrivance.
@wolfsbanealphas617
10 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele especially he would know who. She is a immediately kill her no games like he did Korra
@AstroSully
6 ай бұрын
Unless she got significantly more powerful as an adult.
@polarisdream2468
6 ай бұрын
Actually katara would win and even the ATLA official channel even says this with their water bending rankings video. But I'll also give you my opinion as well.
@gamercore5216
11 ай бұрын
Let's also not forget Amon is also a skilled non-bending martial artist and chi blocker, who katara struggled against with ty lee
@guyhathansaintil5218
11 ай бұрын
he isnt a chi blocker
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Amon is probably a skilled non-bending martial artist but not to the extent that most fans think. For example, Mako outright states that Amon subtlety manipulates others who try to bend against him, like Lightning Bolt Zolt.
@ASS-tb3mq
6 ай бұрын
@@guyhathansaintil5218 he managed to take away people bending due to chi goofy
@nox_cadit
6 ай бұрын
That's not the point, the point is that chi-blockers are like the Hyuuga clan in Naruto using Byakugan to block chakra points. Amon is not a good chi-blocker (fighter that strikes for chu points) he's a good bloodbender that used bloodbending to disrupt and block the chi path on the person's forehead. Chi-blockers can't block that chi point as shown in TLA when Sokka head bumped Tai Li @@ASS-tb3mq
@Wright805
5 ай бұрын
Katara was able to dodge attacks from Ty Lee (one of the best unarmed combatants in the entire franchise) while sleep-deprived (which slows reaction speed). If anything that shows Katara is better at unarmed fighting than most give her credit for.
@SouthpawHare
11 ай бұрын
Something I think is overlooked about bloodbending is the mindset that is likely needed. Much like lightningbending requires an unemotional and focused mind, it appears to me that bloodbending needs a vicious and aggressive mindset, or at least benefits from it. Katara only used it under extreme emotional distress or an outright desire for revenge and causing pain. Ordinarily, however, Katara is compassionate and has little cruel intent, and I imagine that would make her much worse at bloodbending. Even though Katara has done it twice, I doubt she can do it at will anytime. And as she gets older and grows emotionally, she probably actually gets _worse_ at it over time. That's my take on it.
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
A bit too speculative for a versus debate, as it's never stated to need aggression in the same way lightning generation is stated to need a cool head and focused mind.
@MetatronsRevenge613
11 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandeleis that why Azulas lightning was…. Easily countered in Final Agni Kai
@SouthpawHare
11 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele Understandable. Yeah, it's complete speculation on my part.
@vetabeta9890
11 ай бұрын
@@MetatronsRevenge613no…lightning redirection is always…a direct counter to lightning generation, zuko only struggled when it was his first time doing it and he was literally surpised ozai could bend..azula learns it in the comics and does it flawlessly against her own redirected lightnjng
@vetabeta9890
11 ай бұрын
well i mean the mindset thing is subjective..azula could bend during the last agni kai while going through literal psychosis, zuko learned “true firebending” and still gets stomped in a fair fight against comics azula atp
@טלשלזינגר
9 ай бұрын
While agreeing with most of what you said, I believe there are things you did not think about: 1) Katara was not only strong enough no blood bent Hama, she did it first try and instantly. One would even say she also blood bent Aang and Soka for a second, otherwise they would have collided before the "reaction time" of them would even end. To bend 3 people on the first try and prevent any kind of movement from them instantly is very powerful. That means that Katara is very strong and can adapt very quickly to the situation in addition she had never been needed to use more powerful blood bending so saying she can't, might be very wrong. 2) Amon had never been seen fighting without blood bending. Now just to be clear that might be that he is the greatest one ever lived but more realistic is to say he never needed that. His blood bending was enough and I'm not sure if he has the techniques to fight without it. So in a fight (which we assume that Katara is strong enough to overcome his blood bending) I don't think he has a chance. So in this case it all comes to the question: Is Katara stronger? And I don't know how to answer that. All I know is that, at any point in the series (after she mastered water bending) Katara didn't lack power. Sure there were scenes she gave a blow with less than 100% or didn't have enough water around, but she was never in a situation where she is not powerful enough. In conclusion I am not sure who wins. But even if that goes to Amon in his prime vs 14 yo Katara, I think that adult Katara would be a different story.
@AntoineBandele
9 ай бұрын
Literally everything in your comment was addressed in the video. Katara’s age is irrelevant. She loses via bloodbending at any age. This is because of the Yakone court case, which made it known that bloodbending without the full moon was not a common thing, meaning Katara never did it without the full moon. Nor did Katara elevate her bending to the level of psychic bloodbending like Yakone and Amon. The family line are simply more powerful raw waterbenders (again, remember that bloodbending is waterbending, it’s not some entirely new form of bending).
@medicineishere
8 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele i dont think it is a bloodline thing, because Yakone only brought them on full moons, until they could finally blood bend without the full moon. If Katara had enough preparation, she could do it too, but not at Amons level eitherway, Katara banned blood bending so it makes sense why she doesnt have any sort of proper progression, I also didnt watch the video because i have to work on a school project and got bored so i clicked on your videos, love your videos man!
@JuniorMarzy
3 ай бұрын
@@medicineisherebut we know she can’t Yakone looks older than the gaang so when Aang is 40 Katara is 42 and she can’t do it. And at 85 when Tlok starts she can’t do it.
@medicineishere
3 ай бұрын
@@JuniorMarzy We never saw Katara at 42, she wasn’t in the courtroom too.
@Swahili14
3 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandelehello! Katara is a waterbending prodigy too! Yes if Katara was inside the court, yakone could bloodbend her too This could unlock another KATARA's potential in adapting to situations as she's unlimited waterbending potential and is the most naturally gifted waterbender in the franchise
@jonathandoherty9082
11 ай бұрын
Id honestly say, outside of avatars, Psychic bloodbenders are the most op and broken characters in the verse
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
They are 😞 entirely broken.
@shaelindholm2655
11 ай бұрын
I'm so glad this series is coming back, vs matchups is how I originally found your channel
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
I won't make them as frequently as I did in the past, but they will certainly be more consistent now, especially with Avatar coming back in a big way. And I bet I can do live-action battles as well (since the live-action will be different from the original show).
@ZeroRoyale
11 ай бұрын
And now I have to wait for his Star Wars content, if that ever happens again
@AntoineBandele
9 ай бұрын
@@ZeroRoyaleStar Wars will not be making a return unless there is magic shake up at Disney. But I fundamentally do not like what has been done with the world and magic the past decade so I don’t see me going back to pull from that well.
@brokenknight4938
8 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandelewhy don’t indulge in legends again like Evan and Jensaarai?
@pop-culturecinephile8144
11 ай бұрын
If you guys want a happy ending, I’ll give you one. After Amon removes Katara’s bending, Aang shows up and faces him. However long it takes, Aang beats him. (You decide how Aang wins.) In the aftermath, Aang tends to Katara and gives her bending back.
@ManuraAriyathilake
11 ай бұрын
that's beautiful, I picture it happening something like this - Amon blood bends Aang to his knees and stands behind him to take his bending - Avatar state - Amon is trapped in earth like Yakone was - Aang gets up, turns around, and takes his bending away Sokka makes a joke to Aang in the comics about having Aang give him Ozai's firebending, which I dont think is how it works lol, but if it was it would be extra salt in the wound if Aang gave Amon's bending to Katara
@OkairMcLaren
11 ай бұрын
Katara should have learned bloodbending as it could've been used to elevate her healing even more. She was only looking at the bad sides to the technique and completely neglected the good that it can achieve.
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Indeed.
@zeph6736
11 ай бұрын
And she could have taught Korra bloodbending. Imagine an avatar with bloodbending
@milklord_
11 ай бұрын
Maybe they can touch on this in the next avatar
@Wright805
10 ай бұрын
Bloodbending is like the dark side of the Force; it exerts a malign, corrupting influence on the psyches of those who use it. Even if one tries to put it to altruistic purposes, repeated usage of bloodbending will cause the user to become homicidal and sadistic. So no. Katara did the right thing by rejecting and outlawing bloodbending. Any good it can achieve is short-term only and eventually it will lead to suffering. Again, just like the dark side of the Force.
@Wendeta-hq2cp
10 ай бұрын
@@milklord_ Is there a next avatar though?
@korrazula
11 ай бұрын
katara cant break from his grip regardless if she has a full moon, amon slams in seconds 😂😂
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Correct. Both benders would be elevated by the full moon so there would be no difference in the outcome with or without the full moon.
@alexbuswell3500
16 күн бұрын
Yes she could. She resisted a master bloodbender as a child with zero practice. Once she feels Amons grip, she would be able to counter it as her bending (based on scalable feats) is stronger.
@ManuraAriyathilake
11 ай бұрын
I personally don't see a power creep issue with Yakone's bloodline having the ability to blood bend without the full moon, I think the implication is pretty strong that they are just some genetic freaks when it comes to water bending strength, and this is unique to them, in my opinion there's no reason to think that just any powerful water bender could do it, saying Yakone is just naturally stronger, while true, i think is an understatement, he is more like a freak of nature. Edit: Individuals that break the rules of magic can be a really cool way to make a terrifying villain, which is definitely the case with LoK's bloodbenders!
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
While I don't disagree with the basis of your comment, what I take issue with is that its seems Mike and Bryan are sort of fixated on the storyline of outliers (in terms of power and power levels). In Book 2, it led to Cosmic Korra and Unavaatu. In Book 3, it led to unassisted flight with Zaheer (and the outlier abilities all his homies had). In Book 4, it led to a giant mech. I just don't want to see them constantly tell those sorts of stories. Every time they do, it diminishes the overall magic, in my opinion. It's true that the base idea of that freak of nature is terrifying, and I still think Amon is quite terrifying as a character. But that idea has diminishing returns.
@ManuraAriyathilake
11 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele Yeah I can definitely see what you mean! a few more lines of dialogue could have done some heavy lifting in terms of explaining it in a way more aligned with serving to expand the magic system (maybe have it written so that their blood line was once blessed by a spirit long ago and as a result they have a permanent connection to the full moon something like that), while I do love moon-less blood bending and unassisted flight, cosmic korra, unavaatu and the mech are really pushing it lol. Unrelated but I'd like to also add my 2 cents about something else in the video, where Yakone and Amon are scaled very similarly, they're the top 2 no doubt about it but I'd argue specifically that Yakone is much more powerful, mainly due to the courtroom scene, Tarrlok says that his father stopped training him after Noatak ran away, resulting in Tarrlok only knowing how to blood bend with his hands. (My Headcanon) Noatak also probably didn't train much either, in terms of power atleast, if he had continued training it's more than likely that he would surpass Yakone's power by miles but I believe he never reached that point, his hatred for bending would discourage him from grinding his power, leading to him instead surpassing his father in skill, learning to sever chi paths, and do subtle blood bending to throw other benders off. Though Amon was never in a situation where blood bending 63 people at once would be a good idea, I personally doubt that he is capable of anything close to that :P
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
It’s more logical, in my opinion, to say Amon is closer to Yakone (or even his superior) than he is to Tarrlok in terms of power and skill.
@JuniorMarzy
3 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandelekorra had poison and Zaheer with flight is still overrated as hell. And doesn’t compare to most top tier benders still.
@princelamar1735
8 ай бұрын
From one power scaler to another, well done Antoine. This video is an example of how power scaling works, going by what we know (as in the evidence in the series) instead of going by what we don’t know (speculation) while also going who would be the most likely to win. Can’t wait to see your future vs vids.
@AntoineBandele
8 ай бұрын
Oh, I am not a powerscaler, to be clear, and as stated in the video. I prefer looking at the matchups based on narrative, not based on calcs of animated content that is inconsistent from one series to the other, or even episode to episode. And as Stan Lee says, "The one who wins the fight is the one the writer wants to win the fight." Powerscaling has its place, put it is not an end all be all for me at all. I discuss that in more detail here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/lYqPn5t-oZlphmksi=ghgqr2x-o6q-WtUP
@AntoineBandele
8 ай бұрын
That said, this specific matchups is all about power-scaling by the nature of the ability at hand. So there is that.
@princelamar1735
8 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele That’s the thing man, power scaling is just a form of narrative analysis. We’re looking at the series and the statements within it as well as the feats or capabilities of the characters to not only see what they can do but also who would more likely win in a fight. We’re using our real world knowledge to understand the limits of the characters based on the narrative itself. Calcs is just one part of power scaling, analyzing the narrative is also a part of it.
@HeyNimbus
11 ай бұрын
Yes! I love that this series is back! Aang vs Zaheer would be awesome! Also, a *Harry Potter: Versus Series!* would be great too :)
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Adding Harry Potter back to the channel would be cool but I’m just not into HP these days.
@dylanwalser3138
7 ай бұрын
Aang would no diff wtf lmao
@LieutenantByrd
11 ай бұрын
My moneys on Amon, Katara is the best waterbender in general but "I fear not the man who has practiced 10k kicks once" right?
@Deined
11 ай бұрын
I'm glad you're doing this over. You made a pretty glaring oversight in your original one regarding full moon powers.
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Not sure what you're referring to on this one.
@Deined
11 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele IIRC, in the first vid, you said that the full moon would enhance Katara's waterbending without factoring in that it would also enhance Amon's. You seemed to imply that the full moon would actually give Katara a fighting chance back then.
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Ah! Gotcha.
@kehinderufai7498
11 ай бұрын
You've done this before. And you were correct to pick Amon.
@milklord_
11 ай бұрын
Blood bending is skill based but if two opponents are both skilled enough to do it then whoever is the stronger waterbender will determjne who is better at bloodbending Also I feel katara likely never wouldve learned bloodbending if hama didnt teach her so no matter how powerful a wayerbender is they still have to learn how to bloodbend
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Yup. My exact thoughts.
@milklord_
5 ай бұрын
@Rando_180 amon needed practice to do it without a full moon with a full moon he might have gotten it first try And since blood bending goes against kataras moral compass we don't have many blood bending feats from her and we don't have very many normal water bending feats from amon so it's hard to compare the 2
@milklord_
5 ай бұрын
@Rando_180 the first scene we see them blood bending noatok already has a pretty decent grasp on blood bending and he says every full moon they go on supposed "hunting trips", so it's still possible that he got blood bending first try but only mastered it after multiple sessions on these hunting trips
@milklord_
5 ай бұрын
@Rando_180 well Korra wasn't able to break out of tarlocks blood bending grip but amon easily overpowered it and we have no idea where Katara would scale in this because she never practiced or developed her blood bending and the only blood bending feats of her we have are under the full moon so her potential might be more than even amon but I doubt it but where she is now? She doesn't scale at all(katara in her prime btw) Also one of the few water bending feats we do have is amon bending a water tornado or whatever that move is for himself which it's shown in both series only the master water benders are capable of doing
@JuniorMarzy
3 ай бұрын
@Rando_180your bias 😂
@lukaslambs5780
5 ай бұрын
The amount of cope needed to think Katara even stands a chance against Amon is CRAZY
@AntoineBandele
5 ай бұрын
👆🏾
@tnntaronewsnetwork4514
11 ай бұрын
YES! You're Back Baby! I've missed these videos.
@RandomGuy93543
11 ай бұрын
Amon no diffs Katara,Amon is just way better in bloodbending and is way more talented in that regard
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
I'd say more trained, not more talented. That's if we're basing off that fact that Katara picked up waterbending in mere weeks after getting a master (maybe even days), and learned bloodbending in a single night (which is ridiculous from a logical standpoint).
@ThatsCrazy482
11 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandeleNoatak Bloodbended on his first try during a full moon at a much younger age after he got basic waterbending training, which Katara already had prior to her Bloodbending. Amon is definitely the most talented Bloodbender, with Katara being the most talented Waterbender.
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
A bit of a misconception. Bloodbending is waterbending.
@ThatsCrazy482
11 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele It is, and it isn't. Sorry if I misunderstood, but your point was that a very skilled waterbender can Bloodbend. A very skilled and probably the most talented earthbender like Toph couldnt even lavabend, whereas a much less talented earthbender, Bolin, was capable of it, even though lavabending is a much rarer subskill. So even if Amon is a master Bloodbender, being a master at a sub doesn't exactly mean being the best at the main element.
@drsmall399
11 ай бұрын
Cool to see AirSpeed Prime. havent watched him in a while but will check him again!👍
@HiddenPowerIce
7 ай бұрын
That's an unfair question. Katara in the series has 9 months of experience and Amon has many years. Also Katara is a child in the series while Amon is 40 in the LOK and he is in his prime.
@cricketnow374
3 ай бұрын
womp womp
@JuniorMarzy
3 ай бұрын
The age doesn’t matter in Tlok at age 42 when Aang is 40 she still can’t blood bend without the full moon. Or psychically. @HiddenPowerIce. We know this cause of Yakone trial.
@AdamSmith-yt1hf
11 ай бұрын
Nice video! Do u think you would be able to make some more match ups with katara in them? Some match ups I’d love to see are katara vs unalaq, Ming hua, kuvira, and ghazan. Just some ideas! Keep it up the good work
Ghazan is the only bender I think she beats of the benders you named Maybe Ming Hua
@x9gaming205
5 ай бұрын
@@JuniorMarzy ghazan is stronger than Ming hua for sure
@dahliazaylinsage
11 ай бұрын
Im excited for this! You're appreciated mate!
@GlitchedFire
11 ай бұрын
That evidence was solid, and your videos are accurate. Now I know Amon is the winner
@josephrousell2818
11 ай бұрын
Good to finally see you do these again.
@Aurelian_-vu3yz
11 ай бұрын
Agree with you regarding Katara being a pretty unrealistic prodigy. Though there are some cases where prodigy’s progress at an exponentially fast rate and then hit their peak very early on. I think too many people assume Katara would continue to progress that fast as she aged, when in reality I think she was near her peak at the end of the series.
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
People make that same assumption of Aang's ascension. And what we can see from the comics, both Katara and Aang have largely plateaued (which makes sense).
@mistypikku
11 ай бұрын
i legit saw a comment that went "what can amon do against katara's bloodbending" 💀
@Wes_Bradley-Taubner
11 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣 What can Superman do against Spider-Man’s punches.
@starsomen
5 ай бұрын
cause he can’t do anything
@وائلعلي-ص6ح
4 ай бұрын
Who said this joke😂😂😂😂
@وائلعلي-ص6ح
4 ай бұрын
@@starsomenyeah right 😏
@starsomen
4 ай бұрын
@@وائلعلي-ص6ح wanna debate it?
@Caitlyn777-e1x
7 ай бұрын
I wanna become a bloodbender
@zkvids7451
9 ай бұрын
He clears Katara! People saying Katara are absolutely braindead because they have no idea how powerful Amon is than her! Katara is so damn overrated lmao!
@Swahili14
3 ай бұрын
Tf is wrong with you loosers KATARA's one of the best written characters of all time 😂 Katara solos Amon Get a job weirdo
@ThatsCrazy482
11 ай бұрын
Spoiler Alert: Amon wins
@starsomen
11 ай бұрын
katara slams
@ThatsCrazy482
11 ай бұрын
@@starsomen Cope
@korrazula
11 ай бұрын
@@starsomen amon folds katara up like a pretzel in seconds (quite literally)
@Eh.........
11 ай бұрын
@@starsomenstop
@dantemitsoyu977
11 ай бұрын
@@starsomendelete
@Markus2E5I6
10 ай бұрын
I don't get how Katara's training/mastery is unrealistic when Yakone bloodbent 60 people without a full moon and with no movement. That doesn't feel like it belongs in the avatar universe, seems too superpower-ish rather than martial arts that bending is supposed to be rooted in. Even when Bumi earthbended when locked up he still moved his head and it wasn't some big bending but rather him bending rocks to break the cage. Also the excuse of strong bloodbending genes doesn't make sense. He looks the same age as Toph/Aang/Sokka. Hama was the creator, Katara was her first student and Katara never taught it to anyone. So where is this bloodbending generation coming from? He's too old enough for there to be generations of bloodbending and there's no way for him to be descended from one unless he's secretly descended from Katara
@AntoineBandele
10 ай бұрын
Because Katara becomes a master in the space of a few months. Yakone mastered his form over bloodbending over the course of his life. And his sons didn't master it for several years. That's why.
@foodmanelman
11 ай бұрын
Something I've not thought about, a lot of the characters in ATLA don't usually push their limits in bending, they had to face against crafty threats like Azula and Company, or were crafty theirselves. Katara didn't need to train her bloodbending, but if the war had gone on and gone terrible (What if Ozai used the comet to lead an arial assault on the Northern Water Tribe? Or if Team Avatar never caught on the Fire Lord's Phoenix King Plan?)
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Yooo Dark Timeline Katara would be nuts!
@Deined
11 ай бұрын
Your matchup analyses are coming along nicely these days, Antoine. Video liked and favorited. 😃 9:46 Yaasss! _This_ was the segment I was most looking forward to. You finally addressed the oversight you made in your first Katara vs. Amon vid about full moon bloodbending. You even included a plausible theory on how Korra fought through Amon's grip. Heh, I thought of Mako's lightning weakening his grip in that moment years ago, but I also think Korra knocking Amon around with air blasts also factored in weakening him. I didn't consider doubt creeping in for Amon being yet another factor, though.
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Ooo! That's what you were talking about. I was so confused at first.
@KnuttyEntertainment
11 ай бұрын
We also know that lightning generation creates massive amounts of energy. It’s possible that Amon was having trouble restraining the massive amounts of chi surging through Mako’s body, which is what allowed Mako to move just enough to provide the release that the lightning was begging for.
@Deined
11 ай бұрын
@@KnuttyEntertainment Amon doesn't actively restrain his victims' chi while they're in his grip; he just holds the victims in place until he can press the spot on their foreheads and block their chi. It's doubtful he can even sense chi until he touches his victim to block it. That's likely part of how Mako was able to surprise him with that lightning blast.
@keyframeclips
7 ай бұрын
There are a few parts of the logic I have issues with. 1. Bloodbending doesn’t have to be only determined by power or skill, they aren’t mutually exclusive and realistically it would take a significant amount of skill to manipulate a body, I believe there’s also a creator quote supporting this by discussing the natural chi field that people have around them and that it’s much more difficult than just bending an open body of water. I don’t think a quote is really needed to come to that conclusion though. My point being blood bending prowess would be measured on a mix of skill and power. 2. Amon’s water bending: I generally agree that Amon is likely still a great water bender but his blood bending abilities are not necessarily a direct representation of his overall water bending. That’s like saying someone who is the best at handling a basketball and moving around the court is undeniably the best basketball player. 3. Blood bending resistance: something that wasn’t discussed is the fact that all shown blood bending feats are surprise feats. So, when discussing the ability to break out of a blood bending grip, most people who are victim to it have never experienced it before and would have no reasonable response. The only people to fully break from a grip have been trained blood benders, excluding avatar state conditions. Point being it’s more reasonable that Katara would be able to break the grip than given credit for. Even Amon took a moment of struggle to break free. You mentioned Korra breaking free due to damage from Mako but the fact that Mako was able to resist enough to shoot lightning in the first place while not being a water bender and having no prior blood bending done on him before this fight shows that there’s more to resisting it than just water bending prowess. Additionally, Amon’s most powerful or skillful uses of blood bending, describe it how you will, being when he completely rag dolls the target where done while bending with his hands. That is to say, Mako was able to resist Amon’s best blood bending technique while Amon hadn’t received any damage before this moment aside from being gently pushed off the stage. 4. Aside from Korra being able to air bend after her bending being removed essentially being a plot hole, you make a will power argument for her being able to break out but against katara being able to which is contradictory. Ultimately I still think it would be a very difficult fight but closer than most give credit for. Blood bending at this level clearly broke the power system which is why Amon had to be eliminated the way he was.
@ZETA_FOX
7 ай бұрын
Something that wasn't mentioned that I think is also worth noting is the time it took for Katara to learn how to bloodbend vs Amon. From the flashback, it's said that it took Among awhile to learn how to bloodbend. While he undoubtedly became immensely powerful with it, Katara learned the skill enough to overpower Hama in a matter of minutes. And then was able to continue to do so. Katara was also bloodbending humans right out the gate, while Amon and all other bloodbenders (hard to say for Yakone, but for at least 3 of the 5) had to start on animals and work their way up to humans, which took years. While the Yakone bloodline is at a much higher skillset for bloodbending than the other bloodbenders, Katara was able to learn the skill faster than anyone. Just some food for thought that I haven't seen anyone mention about Katara's bloodbending skills.
@keyframeclips
7 ай бұрын
@@ZETA_FOX That’s true, I’ve seen a few people bring that up to some degree. I think blood bending a person right away is a significant feat though for sure based one the progression that has been shown. While Amon is undoubtedly overpowered, he’s not unbeatable. People have come to the conclusion he’s impossible to defeat when the show has proven that to not be the case.
@JuniorMarzy
3 ай бұрын
It’s not close at all😂
@JuniorMarzy
3 ай бұрын
@@ZETA_FOXno she will never compare to them😂 I think you need to rewatch Tlok and look at Yakone/Amon😂
@JuniorMarzy
3 ай бұрын
@@keyframeclipsKatara doesn’t beat him and he is more unbeatable than she is 😂
@idkwhatmynameshouldbe3219
8 ай бұрын
God i haven't seen this channel in ages. 1st things 1st i just wanna say im so happy to see the vs series come back it was always one of my favorite series on YT. As for the actual vid i like the new format alot idk if itll stick but i think it was a good way to look at this match in particular. As for what was said in the video i agree with most of it. Amons blood bending is just straight up op and really theres little if any non avatars i could see actually beating amon. Also i like the assessment of blood bending you gave. I was and still am of the belief that any bended can learn the subsets of their elements as i just feel it makes sense personally tho the series itself seems to differ in that opinion at times. Only thing i disagreed with was some of your comments on power scaling but tbf its power scaling i dont blame ya for not liking to use numbers when it comes to vs battles. Overall i loved the vid and im happy to see the vs series return I give this video the same score as how many times amon beats katara out of 10.
@Dark.Paradise
11 ай бұрын
I feel like Katara’s morality held her back from her ultimate peak, she learns so fast and her with bloodbending would be one of the best benders in the world
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Certainly. Based on her previous showings, if she trained, she should have been capable of psychic bloodbending.
@MajorieHarvey
11 ай бұрын
It's only 2 in the world at the same time. Yakone and Katara. Amon and Tarrlock wasn't born yet.
@mochiyeosang1908
10 ай бұрын
@@MajorieHarvey except katara was still alive
@JuniorMarzy
9 ай бұрын
That’s a reach she learned fast cause main character plot
@JuniorMarzy
9 ай бұрын
@@mochiyeosang1908 and she’s 86 though and can hardly walk
@Korraava_
4 ай бұрын
Amon is simply too powerful. I get that a lot of people think that the gaang members can solo any non avatar but we’ve seen them struggle when it comes to non fodder. Take their fight with combustion man: they jumped him on several occasions, one with Katara being amped by the night time and they couldn’t even scratch him. Their best fights come from them fighting fodder like background nameless characters and earth kingdom guards. Hell, even the dai lee got the better of toph and she had to be saved by Jet. Katara is amazing, talented, and powerful; but there are better waterbending combatants. Sorry for the rant lol
@AntoineBandele
4 ай бұрын
You speak a truth a lot of the fandom doesn’t want to hear.
@faribaalikhani371
Ай бұрын
This is how I think it would go (with out a full moon): Amon trys to bloodbend Katara but since she has arledy been bloodbended before Katara realizes it and resists. Amon is surprised but keeps trying. Then they have a waterbending fight which ends with Katara freezing Amon to the ground and landing the final blow (or getting Aang or Korra to take his bending away).
@B.G_Laser
11 ай бұрын
Amon is better
@nomo4u886
11 ай бұрын
I’m glad this is back
@dburg5759
Ай бұрын
I would like to add to the quote that Katara says to Hama “You aren’t the only one that draws power from the moon. My bending is more powerful then yours, Hama. Your technique is useless on me.” To me that adds more to the scenario making it sound that her shrugging of Hama’s bloodbending is also effected by the fool moon. Also while righting this I’m curious of the effects of a blood moon (I don’t think the red moon from the moon spirit in the bag counts), blue moon, super moon, lunar eclipse (we call all assume no bending like solar eclipse), or harvest moon.
@willcooper8028
10 ай бұрын
Amon clearly possesses greater blood bending skills due to his unique experience, training, and lineage, but I do not buy that for a second that he is the stronger water bender overall
@AntoineBandele
10 ай бұрын
Being a greater bloodbender means you are a greater raw waterbender. They aren’t two separate things.
@ThatsCrazy482
10 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandeleSo is Bolin a greater raw earth bender than Toph? Since he can perform a rare and advanced technique known as lavabending whereas Toph can't?
@whocares6757
9 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandeleI think you are conflating individual skills with overall waterbending power.
@green2869
7 ай бұрын
Amon has to be a stronger waterbender if he’s a stronger bloodbender, waterbending is literally the prerequisite of bloodbending. The same way you have to be a good mathematician in order to be a good physicist.
@whocares6757
7 ай бұрын
@green2869 not necessarily. For instance there are only two explosion Benders as far as We Know and one of them has to be the strongest explosion Bender what does it mean that the strongest Firebender overall.
@anthonyrodriguez8788
11 ай бұрын
Awesome video I will add two feat you missed when counting water spouts. 1. When Korra created a massive Water Spout while trying to save the Republic City Navy 2. When Korra was getting chased by Unalaqs kids she created an air spout to dodge one of their attacks, then she turned the Air Spout into Water Spout which she then expanded into a massive AOE attack that hit both twins.
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
I left those out because they were redundant. I was giving examples of _different_ characters using water spouts, not the same character using it multiple times.
@anthonyrodriguez8788
11 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele fair enough
@soulsuckingginger7535
11 ай бұрын
I still think that because the precedent has been established that Katara can resist blloodbending, it puts reasonable doubt that Amon can control katara at all. Katara doesn't need to bloodbend amon, she just needs to avoid him controlling her. After that, its a simple analysis of their feats and abilities with normal waterbending, which is heavily skewed in kataras' favor
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
There’s a pretty large chasm between Amon and Katara as bloodbenders: full moon requirement from Katara and Amon elevating the ability to psychic bending.
@soulsuckingginger7535
11 ай бұрын
@AntoineBandele yes, but she doesn't have to outmatch him in bloodbending, she merely has to hold off his own bloodbending which I would argue is easier than bloodbending someone else because your own blood is far easier to sense and control than someone else's. Side note: I'm so glad your bringing back vs videos they were my favorite thing on your channel even when I (very rarely) disagree with your outcome
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
If holding off bloodbending were that simple, Tarrlok would have done it when he faced off against Amon. And Tarrlok is a superior bloodbender over Katara.
@soulsuckingginger7535
11 ай бұрын
@AntoineBandele Tarlok also wasn't expecting it. He didn't know who Amon was and didn't know he was a bloodbender, he didn't realize it until after Amon took his bending. I'm assuming Katara has knowledge of Amon here
@avatarmufasa3628
11 ай бұрын
@@soulsuckingginger7535 He still tried to assert his dominance as much as possible over multiple seconds. This wasnt a blink and miss it moment. Its also clear from Yakones commentary that Amon was just better than Tarlok. The narrative of the story demands that we accept Amon as the superior brother here
@sgusjsk
5 ай бұрын
Amon looool. The guys can blood bend without a full moon. He was too op probably the second most powerful villain behind Vaatu. Why? You cannot blood bend Vaatu.
@x9gaming205
5 ай бұрын
This fight is not even close Amon wins no diff
@arielmichel2099
11 ай бұрын
R.I.P. Katara! 😢 You will be missed.
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
I don't think Amon would kill her. He actually didn't kill anyone in LOK (that we know). He just took their bending and went about his revolution.
@arielmichel2099
11 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele True.
@Wright805
10 ай бұрын
Why do people keep forgetting that Katara's boyfriend/husband can restore bending?
@adamtremblay9126
11 ай бұрын
Second. Ahhhhhh finally I've waited so long for this moment. I got into versus series over a year ago. Finallyyyyyyyy.... One of the big names in versus is releasing a vs video that I get to witness the moment it comes out. I've waited so long for this. U can bet I will be at this premiere. Also, side note, please include P'li into this series some time. U said u were interested, and it would be so amazing if you did. Putting her only against combustion man leaves so much interesting stuff unexplored. HYPE BEYOND.... IDK I JUST CANT WAIT WOOO SEE YALL TOMORROW AT 3:30!!
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Yes! I plan on doing the Versus Series continually now, especially with Avatar coming back in a big way. Next up after this: Azula vs Kuvira (I already got the thumbnail art done and everything).
@Dark.Paradise
11 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandeleKeep it going fs
@Wes_Bradley-Taubner
11 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandelethis person recommended you use P’Li. And a few months ago I recommended P’Li vs Jianzhu and you told me to remind you to do that match one day. You called it the needle vs the storm.
@vetarlittorf1807
11 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandeleNow that Kyoshi has been fully fleshed out, do you plan on a Kyoshi vs Aang video?
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
What I want to go back to is Kyoshi vs Aang.
@adamwolf9419
11 ай бұрын
Katara in my opinion has perhaps the most raw potential of any character in the franchise in terms of her ability to quickly learn and master bending abilities. If she hadn’t outlawed bloodbending I think she could definitely have reached or perhaps even surpassed Yakone and Amon in terms of power. It’s a bit of a shame she didn’t embrace bloodbending.
@Eh.........
11 ай бұрын
Bloodbending = something very wicked only a cold blooded, careless and ruthless (at the very least, an anti hero) would do. Its not so Katara like to just bloodbend here and there, and be proud of it. You need to rewatch a show
@Eh.........
11 ай бұрын
it only makes sense she would put a stop to bloodbending altogether, knowing how one can control the other, and additionally causing them pain in the locked state, that it makes so much sense for it to be outlawed. I don't see any shame Katara denying this power, because again, thats not who she is, why would she embrace a quite literally an evil power? You definitely need to rewatch a show, perhaps 2 times. I've read your messages about medical situations, well guess what, we have had 3 bloodbenders in Korra, and what did they do? yeah people wouldn't fall in line to train their bloodbending for medicine. Society is society. And even then, bloodbending should have been allowed only exclusive to doctors and people providing first aid, but it didn't
@adamwolf9419
11 ай бұрын
@@Eh......... I’m not saying she didn’t make the right choice in outlawing bloodbending. She definitely did considering the actions of every other bloodbender in the franchise. I am simply saying I think she could have reached the Yakone/Amon level had she chosen to embrace bloodbending. I definitely agree with you that it’s very unlikely she ever would make said choice, though I don’t think it’s completely out of the question if she were given the proper motivation. Additionally, when I said it was a shame I more meant that I think it is a shame that the potential positive benefits of bloodbending weren’t explored either by her or another person assuming other factors like a non-selfish bloodbender and societal acceptance could be met. Maybe Katara could have been that non-selfish bloodbender, but of course like we both agree it really isn’t in her character to embrace such an ability. The idea overall is based more on the grounds of me wanting to see the extents to which things like bending and in-universe technologies can be utilized rather than making sense in regards to character morals. In our own world, some of humanity’s greatest innovations have come from unexpected sources, and that same idea can be applied to the Avatar universe.
@Wes_Bradley-Taubner
11 ай бұрын
Katara is very talented, but nobody gives zaheer credit for what he accomplished. Katara had waterbending for like a year and by the end of ATLA she had a bit of training from Pakku and months to develop her waterbending. Zaheer had a few weeks of self taught airbending and yet he was able to unlock a subbending ability that hadn’t been seen for millennia and was able to battle against poisoned avatar state Korra. I think katara takes zaheer in a fight, but with what he accomplished in a few weeks, he’s definitely the most talented
@adamwolf9419
11 ай бұрын
@@Wes_Bradley-Taubner your right I totally forgot Zaheer’s natural talent. I’m a little disappointed in myself for missing that. He deserves way more credit than he gets. 100% self taught airbender over the course of just two weeks (completely in the dark too since there was no visible in his prison cell and the door only opened for shift changes every few weeks), and he was still able to hold his own for a while against an airbending master like Tenzin and Avatar state Korra.
@sohammitra1951
25 күн бұрын
Despite Bloodbending others, Amon is still an expert martial artist, fighter tactician and chi blocker and knows the physiology,weak points, chi and chakra flow, BB gives him a advantage plus sensing movement and maybe boosting his own physicals with blood maipulation.
@pandahead2241
10 ай бұрын
I think their are a few factors that weren’t discussed in your video. First of all, something that everyone can agree on, Amon and Katara were both forced to learn blood bending. Katara had no intention of wanting to learn it, however, and if I remember right, Amon didn’t want to either, which was why he ran away. Continuing on, Katara had to learn waterbending faster than any other waterbender and she also tried to teach herself as a child. Her bending is also charged by her emotions, which is how she’s able to free Aang from the iceberg. It may seem as though she’s a gifted protegy by the time they reach the North Pole, but really she’s been practicing the entire journey, whether to help other’s or to fight Zuko. So after some real training it would seem only natural that she would be a literal force of nature. And I say that about Toph and team avatar Zuko too because they all had challenges to overcome in different forms. Anyways, by the time book 3 came around, and Katara defeated the puppet master, I always believed she had a little help, and no, I don’t mean Aang or Sokka. To recap real quick, Hama used the two of them to make Katara bloodbend. However, when Katara originally breaks out of Hama’s bloodbending, I remember her and saying something along the lines of “You aren’t the only one who draws power from the moon.” Which leads me to believe that bloodbending in general is useless against Katara because Yue, who gave her life up to save the moon spirit, gave her the power to be immune to bloodbending. Katara’s character as a whole is rather willful, so even though it seems a little over powered, I never considered it much of a stretch that Yue would give her that kind of power. I also noticed that she wasn’t in that courtroom when everyone else was bloodbended, including Aang. I believe if Katara (age 17 as you said) thought someone was in danger from Amon, then she would be able to find the strength to fight them with blood bending, leaving him blind sighted. If my theory about Yue helping her with some kind of hidden gift is accurate, then Amon could try bloodbending back and nothing would happen. Then it would depend on pure waterbending skill. Just my thoughts though. Sorry this got so long! Have a nice day!
@mrmmooseplays3764
10 ай бұрын
Kinda crazy that he skipped this comment and it’s one of the most logical ones 👀
@pandahead2241
10 ай бұрын
@@mrmmooseplays3764 wow. First time any of my comments have ever been called logical! Besides, it’s only been eleven days. Maybe he’s just busy and hasn’t noticed my theory.
@mrmmooseplays3764
10 ай бұрын
@@pandahead2241 Hmm I hope so, I’m really interested to see his reaction to this theory, cuz it could change the entire match up completely.
@pandahead2241
10 ай бұрын
@@mrmmooseplays3764 That is true. I’m also sure a younger Katara could beat Amon. Just like I’m sure metelbending master Toph could destroy Kuvira. But as it was said… “Sometimes you just got to leave it to the kids.” That might not be exactly right, but close enough, I would say.
@pandahead2241
9 ай бұрын
@@mrmmooseplays3764 huh… I guess he just doesn’t want to respond. I must have been skipped because this means Katara, whom he admits he’s biased against, would actually have a shot at winning. As a fan of ATLA, I applaud my fan and my logical (sounds weird when I say it) opinion. Thank you! Thank you! You’re too kind! 💜😏🥹😉😍😊🙃🥰😃🙂
@Flipitmixit
11 ай бұрын
Uhm Amon? Katara is the most well rounded Waterbender Ever But she's still not as strong as Amon
@MajorieHarvey
11 ай бұрын
She isn't she has no feats to beat him at all.
@MaelstromsMonsters
6 ай бұрын
For the love of Amon. Amon win. Amon delete katara bending. Katara can't even do anything about it. Fin.
@Jacky_boy001
11 ай бұрын
To hammer out why context is important. sokka was the one who hit combustion man on the forehead with his boomerang, resulting in combustion man blowing up. When you take away that context, it makes it sound like sokka is more powerful than him. Yeah it sounds silly.
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Exactly!
@AvatarLover6074
11 ай бұрын
Y’all over rate Amon
@starsomen
11 ай бұрын
fr
@Wes_Bradley-Taubner
11 ай бұрын
Doesn’t change the fact that katara has never resisted bloodbending from a stronger bloodbender without the full moon amping her
@MajorieHarvey
11 ай бұрын
Yall overrate atla characters
@MajorieHarvey
11 ай бұрын
@@starsomenand yall overrate atla characters
@AvatarLover6074
11 ай бұрын
@@MajorieHarvey no we don’t Atla is just better like that lok is still good but not the best
@peytoncrome9387
11 ай бұрын
I will say for the most I agree the big things that I think should have been covered is that Yue personally knows her and has been shown to help the group before such as when Aang runs of in season 3 and potentially in the swamp. Not only that but also katara was not necessarily taught blood bending she unlocked it on her own and on her first showing over powered a master in it. While I definitely think Katara would struggle to win I don’t think it’s a one sided stomp for Amon t. As katara is the fast improving bender in the whole series. And was able to teach Aang mere weeks after learning herself. And I think a fire bender being able to land a hit under his hood speaks volumes for a character already aware of how to break a blood bending grips in the narrative. Unless you consider both times his hold gets broke that episode complete deus ex machina.
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
It's an extremely steep uphill battle for Katara. She's not just facing off against bloodbending when it comes to Amon. She's dealing with a non-full moon version of bloodbending, for one. And psychic bloodbending at that, for two.
@starsomen
11 ай бұрын
katara wins
@Wes_Bradley-Taubner
11 ай бұрын
Good luck finding proof of katara resisting bloodbending from someone as powerful as Amon without a full moon.
@Nah_id_win_883
11 ай бұрын
Amon absolutly bullies katara
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Usually this would be the point where I'd say, I agree she'd win X/10 times, but unfortunately without some sort of plot contrivance, I don't see a scenario where Katara wins a straight up 1v1 against Amon with no outside distractions.
@starsomen
11 ай бұрын
@@Nah_id_win_883 disgustingly wrong
@starsomen
11 ай бұрын
@@Wes_Bradley-Taubner why would she win without a full moon???
@Killerwale-hk4wy
7 ай бұрын
Amon's water bending is probably worse, but he's a way better bloodbender, he can chi block and we don't even know how good of a waterbender he actually is. That tornade he pulls of is not a beginner move.
@AntoineBandele
7 ай бұрын
His waterbending power is probably better. We have no idea how to determine is waterbending skill though. So, on a technicality, Korra gets it there.
@CooperGregoryLee
3 күн бұрын
AntioneBandele can u pls make a versus video between nonavatar regular airbending Aang book 3 vs Jinora book 4?❤🥺🥹
@dantemitsoyu977
11 ай бұрын
This is where it all started with you Can’t wait to get back
@kwebvin9939
6 ай бұрын
IF I WAS AMON I WOULD DO SOMETHING TO KATARA NOT EVEN OZAI WOULD DO
@ethancraig5853
10 ай бұрын
If you pitted Amon against a prime Katara, Katara violates him. Straight up, no doubt, demolishes his ass. The Yakone bloodline has a genetic trait that I believe simply works to raise their base power levels to insane heights. It has nothing to do with blood bending, inherently. That being said it makes blood bending without a full moon and even during the day much more possible. I believe that 17 yr old Katara loses to end of season 1 Amon. That being said, she is a child prodigy with immense potential. Take prime Katara, say early 30's. Close to peak physical condition (as in her age) and with another about 15 years of training. At this point she would be a more powerful base water bender than Amon. Hes got the genetics, but minimal "normal" (as in water and ice) waterbending training. Like I said, shes a child prodigy. This meaning she has both the genetics (although they may be slightly less powerful genetics than Amon) AND the training that Amon lacks. So base water bending, she wins. This means she wins overall. Period. End of story. If she is the more powerful base bender than she could break his hold with ease and beat him with little effort. All in all I agree that 17 yr old Katara vs end of season one Amon results in Katara's loss, but looking at both of their primes, Amon is done for. Trashed. Made into a pincushion, perhaps litteraly. Love the video and the artwork, cant wait to see more of the versus series!
@AntoineBandele
10 ай бұрын
Katara’s age is irrelevant. She loses via bloodbending at any age. This is because of the Yakone court case, which made it known that bloodbending without the full moon was not a common thing, meaning Katara never did it without the full moon. Nor did Katara elevate her bending to the level of psychic bloodbending like Yakone and Amon. The family line are simply more powerful raw waterbenders (again, remember that bloodbending is waterbending, it’s not some entirely new form of bending, which is explained in the video). Based on your comment, I’m not sure if you’ve gone through the whole video yet. All of your points were countered. Amon is the more powerful base waterbender, as well as Yakone and even Tarrlok.
@ethancraig5853
10 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele I did watch the whole video lol and I suppose alot of my points are countered because I believe that Katara could be a more powerful bender once she is older. I may be entirely wrong and debated it for a while before writing my original comment. While Amon is powerful, I believe that Katara has the potential to outmatch him. I'm probably biased as Amon is one of my least favorite characters and I think I exaggerated my belief that Katara could win. It all hinders on whether or not someone believes Katara could be more powerful but you're right the pro-Katara side def relies on plot armour. If fact I'm now debating whether or not Amon's genetics trump Katara's potential and it's making my brain hurt 🤣
@JuniorMarzy
3 ай бұрын
@@ethancraig5853yakone looks to be older than the gaang when Aang is 40 and Katara can’t blood bend without the full moon or psychically. And she 86 Katara can’t reverse what Amon did. She can’t do what they can do with boood bending.
@kevin_dee_goat2016
6 ай бұрын
I'd like to see your review of Amon vs yakone if by any chance you get the time to go through it. Thsnks❤
@alexbuswell3500
16 күн бұрын
Amon wouldn’t be able to bloodbend Katara. Thus, Katara wipes Amon. She is possibly one of the only non avatar characters who actually would win.
@faribaalikhani371
Ай бұрын
In my opinion Katara doesn't need the full moon to resist bloodbending. That's why: With out bloodbending, Katara wins.
@JaneShepardLive
9 ай бұрын
Even if she would have a full moon, Amon would have it also, why people forget that, it would make him even stronger. Realistically speaking, she has no chance
@AntoineBandele
9 ай бұрын
That’s literally mentioned throughout the video 😅
@AntoineBandele
9 ай бұрын
Yes.
@ShivamKumar-ym9ek
11 ай бұрын
the verses matches are very underrated and i really liked the verses matches. sad i couldn't watch the stream
@dwayne6479
11 ай бұрын
One thing I got from this video is avatars can most likely (if they wanted to) bloodbend using the avatar state
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
One would think so!
@Omdom4200
10 ай бұрын
Anyone who hasnt read the novels spoiler alert at 11 mins in!! Youve been warned ish 😅😂 loving the video so far tho🎉
@erkutsirdas
8 ай бұрын
A very in-depth video, but I must disagree with some of the logic here. Amon is surely the more skillful bloodbender out of the two, but this does not make him the stronger waterbender. Also, I don't believe base Aang (non-Avatar state) is a more powerful waterbender than Katara, as Katara broke through Hama's bloodbending grip while Aang was unable to do so. Who was the more skillful bloodbender at the time of Hama and Katara's fight? Of course, it was Hama. She skillfully puppeteered both Aang and Sokka to attack in advanced movement patterns. Yet Katara, being a stronger waterbender, overcame Hama's bloodbending grip on her very first try. Although, all Katara could do was bring Hama to her knees due to being unskilled in bloodbending. Later, due to the unethical nature of the technique, Katara refused to practice it any further. So, we can only speculate at what heights she could have reached. Similarly, did Amon master the psychic bloodbending of dozens of people all at once in broad daylight the very first day he was taught by his father? Of course not. He was shown struggling to control small animals in full moon at first. However, he honed his bloodbending skills to incredible heights. This means he is the more skillful bloodbender and not necessarily the more powerful waterbender. Indeed, Katara couldn't restore Korra's bending, but that was only because the damage was done using bloodbending which probably could have only been undone using bloodbending skills, which she lacked. I believe it is inconclusive who is the stronger waterbender based on the evidence we have as of yet. But I believe it is perfectly possible for Katara to overcome Amon's bloodbending grip. Then, she would most likely win the fight based on the waterbending skills that we are shown.
@AntoineBandele
8 ай бұрын
We have a fundamental disagreement on how bloodbending works. As stated in the video, and what's often forgotten in the fandom, is that bloodbending is just very minute waterbending. So yes, if you are a stronger bloodbender, you are a stronger waterbender (from a sense of power, not skill necessarily). Hama was a more skilled bloodbender, yes, but she was not more powerful. And bloodbending is a power-based technique, especially as a tug of war.
@erkutsirdas
8 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele I agree that a stronger bloodbender is a stronger waterbender and vice versa. But you compare Katara's first two attempts at the technique to Amon's peak showcases, which he attained after years and years of vigorous practice, which are incomparable. I see we agree on Hama being the more skilled bloodbender and not the more powerful bloodbender. But, I believe most of the fandom would suggest Hama would stomp Katara in a waterbending fight due to possessing bloodbending skills. Yet, we all saw how that fight ended up. Thus, I believe Katara is being downplayed here due to the lack of showcases as a bloodbender.
@AntoineBandele
8 ай бұрын
This is how I handle matchups. The hierarchy of feats are better for Amon: kzitem.info/news/bejne/lYqPn5t-oZlphmksi=HdgvrRZZAD_Q_u5V
@JuniorMarzy
3 ай бұрын
@@erkutsirdasHama would never beat Katara without blood bending. Hama is around Kya and Tonraq level. And has bad durability and stamina and physicalities.
@Fatman.skibidi
11 ай бұрын
Please continue these videos 🙏❤
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
I will. I may do them more slowly since they don’t garner views like they used to, though.
@Fatman.skibidi
11 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele thank you for going for quality over views! Btw I love your vids 😍
@pyroflamekid7412
9 ай бұрын
Ooh pls do Katara vs Unalaq. Theres this notion that katara can just beat any non avatar charcter(I've seen people say she could beat ozai). I Kinda feel like unalaq wins but it would stil be diffcult. Basically he wins more times than not.
@JuniorMarzy
9 ай бұрын
I agree Unalaq wins
@AntoineBandele
9 ай бұрын
Unalaq definitely gets downplayed for sure. But I may hold off on that one until the movie drops.
@bensonfang1868
4 ай бұрын
19:19 a reminder that creating a waterspout of that size without hands is something only korra, Unalaq, and master pakku with a full moon have been able to do
@JuniorMarzy
3 ай бұрын
The full moon doesn’t give you new moves it enhances them. You think Pakku didn’t know how to do the full moon for 80 years until the full moon
@sqstate8342
2 ай бұрын
@@bensonfang1868 he used his hands - they supported the spout while outstretched.
@Djenzh
8 ай бұрын
Ooohh Nice video! Are you going to redo all the other vs videos too? Or just the Avatar vs videos? Or something else?
@AntoineBandele
8 ай бұрын
Just Avatar. I no longer cover anything else on the channel.
@theauraone7755
11 ай бұрын
I can't wait for more of these. These are fun. I wonder what is next?
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Azula vs Kuvira
@theauraone7755
11 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele That one will be fun. Two female villains going against each very nice. I always wonder how that would go down.
@kylerholcomb229
11 ай бұрын
Please please go rewatch both of them. Azula is superior in every way. Kuvira didn’t lose a single fight you put her in that I recall. And I’ve watched them multiple times. Even though Azula is widely known as powerful she is still slept on. She basically soloed team avatar twice. She fought all different types of bending from all directions and counters them all. And then when they all attacked at once she made a fire shield and blew it up. I would argue she has the highest battle IQ in the series. Up there with Zaheer. Team avatar could not touch her when she had no bending. Kuvira is not getting her with a metal strap on the eyes. You wayyy over hype kuvira bro
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Ah, it seems you've fallen to Azula's plot contrivance hype instead of looking at her loses as well, particularly to Katara in the catacombs.
@Deined
11 ай бұрын
@@kylerholcomb229 Bruh, in what universe is Azula slept on??? She's generally overhyped as a nigh-unbeatable force among the Avatar fandom.
@julesw1516
10 ай бұрын
Hey nice to see your back you should do suki vs ty lee analysis
@TheBreadLord_
7 ай бұрын
Amon vs zaheer
@KyIe-nj4tq
5 ай бұрын
Amon beat someone who was already skilled in water, earth, and firebending
@Spicy_.
11 ай бұрын
I don't believe at all that katara needs bloodbending to take amon out AT ALLLL
@avatarmufasa3628
11 ай бұрын
Unfortunatly, if Katara cannot protect herself from bloodbending, she just gets thrown around like a ragdoll, being unable to move her arms in such a way to bend at all. What would likely happen is Amon just snaps her neck in a few seconds as shes held trapped for a few brief moments as her body betrays her
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
As I always try to look at these matchups narratively, I would not say Katara would snap her neck unless Avatar rebranded itself into adult anime territory like Castlevania or some such. While yes, realistically that would happen... what is more likely is Amon just subjecting her to a bloodbending blocking of her bending.
@avatarmufasa3628
11 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele Probably fair. Though I will point out yakone looked like he was attempting to do so. Hence the inspiration of using that with amon. Could just replace breaking neck with held in place as he removes her waterbending
@Swahili14
10 ай бұрын
Katara solos Amon Even mako broke free from amons grip and lightning bolted amon.if not for amons plot armor, he'd have been roasted alive 😂 KATARA's mastered every waterbending technique in no time outclassing her masters She's THE most versatile and exceptionally gifted waterbending prodigy
@AntoineBandele
10 ай бұрын
Someone didn’t watch the whole video. This entire point was addressed.
@vetarlittorf1807
11 ай бұрын
Does this mean the Versus series are officially back?
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Yup yup!
@vetarlittorf1807
11 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandeleDoes that mean we might get to see Jaden Korr vs Ezra Bridger one day? Or Boba Fett vs Predator? Or Canderous Ordo vs Sabine Wren? Or Sub-Zero vs Korra?
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
This will tell you what’s what with Star Wars on the channel: kzitem.info/news/bejne/2315uWqaqXyBiZg
@vetarlittorf1807
11 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandeleAh. That's a shame. So just Avatar then?
@eraittousenpai
4 ай бұрын
Without bloodbending and chi-blocking, katara could've win.
@AntoineBandele
4 ай бұрын
Entirely speculative.
@a.jthomas6132
11 ай бұрын
If Past and Present do collide, this would not only be the most intense battle between two Waterbenders. Yes Karata can adapt so quickly. But Amon is more experted. What is more terrifying is his ability to take away a bender's ability like how Aang did Firelord Ozai, would be Katara's worst nightmare.
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Visually, I think this would actually not be all that interesting. It would look very similar to Amon vs Tarrlok.
@a.jthomas6132
11 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele Fair enough. I was only stating out a fact.
@Wright805
10 ай бұрын
Good thing that Katara's boyfriend/husband can restore bending then.
@MetatronsRevenge613
11 ай бұрын
Katara would be bound by moral restraint.
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Clearly if she trained, she'd've been a'ight.
@MetatronsRevenge613
11 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele it’s a choice, I see , Katara would be unwilling to do such a thing she only did it to Hama under threat of Aang and Sokkas life. If this was a death duel between them. Her selfless character and nature would be her upholder her principles of restraint
@yashaoftheflames8475
10 ай бұрын
I think a fun cross verse battle you could do Amon vs Choso from jjk. There's a decent amount similarities between them.
@treblazer
11 ай бұрын
I want a Zuko Sword bending fight, perhaps against Master Piandao
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Hopefully we can get some new sword characters to have more of that going on.
@vetabeta9890
11 ай бұрын
katara did progress really fast due to plot and slight power creep ig it’s also why she isn’t one of my favs
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Yeah, those types of characters are never my favorite.
@jsb6975.ah.crapbaskets
11 ай бұрын
I think it can _kinda_ be handwaved away with the explanation that the circumstances of the time gave her the motivation to progress at a far greater rate than she would've in a time of peace, same with Aang.
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
And that’s fine. Being in wartime. But the progression was still far too sharp.
@jsb6975.ah.crapbaskets
11 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele notice my emphasis on "kinda". But yeah, it would've been better if the time spent developing the romance between her and Aang was used to develop her skills, instead. Romance is, by far, the weakest aspect of the show, so we wouldn't be losing out on much.
@kaibalfour2318
8 ай бұрын
Then an again Katara at 16 was able to break Hamas grasp even when Hama spent the last 50 years of her life perfecting blood bending and beat her after just hearing the concept of it. In the southern raiders episode Katara did it with out a full moon and did it effortlessly only on her second try. Imagine her at full strength and maturity as a grown woman. Katara has more raw power than Amon. The only reason he’s a better blood bender is because he practiced but Katara is strong enough to break his grip. Amon is dangerous but it could be a lot closer than we think
@AntoineBandele
8 ай бұрын
Literally every one of these claims are rebutted in the video.
@emsibanda
11 ай бұрын
Why didn't you talk about Amons brilliant hand to hand combat skills.
@DeeDeeDeeeee
11 ай бұрын
Most likely because this fight would’ve never came down to a h2h fight
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
That and also Amon's H2H skill is a little overblown when it was revealed by Mako later on that Amon was using subtle bloodbending to combat others and negatively affect their attacks, such as Lightning Bolt Bolt.
@Wes_Bradley-Taubner
11 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandelethat simply allowed Amon to dodge those bending attacks (especially Lightning). Mako’s statement makes Amon’s reactions, speed and agility a little less impressive, but I don’t think it affects his actual martial skill. Remember, Ty Lee needed multiple chi blocks to subdue an enemy, while Amon knocked Korra unconscious with 1 strike. If Amon closes the distance with his opponent, 95% of the time, they’re screwed. You’d have to have insane CQC skills like Iroh, Zaheer or Zuko to not get murked by Amon if he closes the distance. If Amon is fighting Katara, Toph, Tenzin, Bumi, etc, and he closes the distance to use chi blocking, his chances of winning go way up.
@Wes_Bradley-Taubner
11 ай бұрын
@@DeeDeeDeeeeekatara will try her best to keep this a bending fight, but if Amon manages to close the distance and chi block her, things become a little more difficult for katara
@avatarmufasa3628
11 ай бұрын
My 2nd comment (comments help algorithm) If you accept the idea of feat scaling, then 10 year old Tarlok also beats Katara (same iteration as presented in video), his bloodbending feat also outscales her. For all the same reasons as presented in the video If you disagree, by all means. Prove me wrong
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Nope. That tracks. 10-year-old Tarrlok should be > 14-year-old Katara. That tracks by way of feats.
@Wes_Bradley-Taubner
11 ай бұрын
Sad thing is, Base 10 Year Old Tarrlok might actually be a better bloodbender than Full Moon Prime Adult Katara. I know this sounds ridiculous, but Child Tarrlok can bloodbend multiple targets without the full moon. Meanwhile, Full Moon Teenage Katara could only bloodbend one person at a time and her bloodbending abilities never improved after ATLA. So the best ATLA bloodbender at their absolute peak with the full moon isn’t even a better bloodbender than the weakest TLOK bloodbender in base form as a child
@noatak9243
2 ай бұрын
*@Antoine Bandele* is that the reason why the creator had to kill amon because he was TOO OP for the series now regardless of whether the Korra series was planned for ONLY ONE season (because Nickelodeon and the creators didn't know that they would make MORE seasons after the success of book 1) and regardless of whether Amon's return was planned in season 3 that he should return like Ming Hua with 2 water arms, the creators joked about it as a joke but then rejected this concept ? SO NOW, is Amon dead because it should end after book 1 or because Amon is TOO OP or both or is the first option unimportant that Korra series should end after season 1 but that changes NOTHING about Amon being an overpowered character or ? What do you think i hope for a fast answer and a satisfying and many text from you thanks ?
@AntoineBandele
2 ай бұрын
It’s my belief that’s why the Yakone family line was killed off.
@noatak9243
2 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandeleok it means amon could even beat korra and unalaq in avatar state because of the fullmoon and his bloodbending and MIND waterbending that is the reason why he dead is ! ?
@noatak9243
2 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandelecan you make a video why the creator had to kill amon because korra series was planned only for ONE season or because he was TOO OP thanks
@J.B0009
10 ай бұрын
Antoine how often are you going to be uploading these videos?
@AntoineBandele
10 ай бұрын
Considering they take a very long time to produce and don’t generate a lot of revenue, I’d say… one every two months. I’m working in the script for Azula vs Kuvira next week.
@vetabeta9890
11 ай бұрын
i used to watch your videos all the time in middle school i’m so happy this series is returning, maybe one of the next episodes could feature azula considering her comic comes out this week, maybe comic azula vs zuko or azula vs kuvira is one mentioned a lot
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Next match is Azula vs Kuvira.
@itsxtray
11 ай бұрын
@AntoineBandele Your previous Kuvira vs Azula battle was my favorite vs battle of yours, so I'm looking forward to that.
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's a good one. Such good fighters, such great styles. Such a close matchup.
@emmanuelsebi6964
11 ай бұрын
Hope you do Unalaq vs Tenzin bc i feel like season 2 robbed us of that fight when Unalaq was spiritually corrupting Jinora and manipulating Korra
@Wes_Bradley-Taubner
11 ай бұрын
Pre or Post Fusion?
@AntoineBandele
11 ай бұрын
That would be a fun one. I think what I'll do is this... ATLA character vs LOK character, followed by another ATLA vs LOK, then ATLA vs ATLA, then LOK vs LOK.
@justinmendoza3150
10 ай бұрын
For starters, I believe Amon would easily win due to Bloodbeing alone. With that being said, the fact that we are having the conversation between 40 year old Amon and a 14 year old Katara is insane to begin with. I wish we had more material showcasing how strong Katara actually was in her Prime, especially considering the huge developments and creativity she was showing at just the age of 14. It would be fair to assume, Katara around her 20' and 30's would have been a mighty force indeed rivavling any water bender
@AntoineBandele
10 ай бұрын
Katara’s age is irrelevant. She loses via bloodbending at any age. This is because of the Yakone court case, which made it known that bloodbending without the full moon was not a common thing, meaning Katara never did it without the full moon. Nor did Katara elevate her bending to the level of psychic bloodbending like Yakone and Amon. The family line are simply more powerful raw waterbenders (again, remember that bloodbending is waterbending, it’s not some entirely new form of bending).
@justinmendoza3150
10 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandele I hear you. You make a lot of good points. Amon is such a tough villan to use in the versus series because his bloodbending is so overpowered he could literally defeat almost anyone in the avatar universe excpet Avatars themselves and possibly Yakone depending on whether he at his peak is on the samd level as Amon
@wolfsbanealphas617
10 ай бұрын
@@AntoineBandelewhat about the limbless water bender
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