How people can say BR were backwards when they, in reality, were so far ahead and did so much in comparison to the system we have these days just baffles me. There is no doubt about it, BR tried here and there and with a fraction that was given to the likes of aerospace with Concorde. And yet they manage to come up with something like the HST that is still here nearly half a century later. BR at the rate they were going in development would probably have scrapped the buggers for something new and actually better than the plastic crap we have now!
@Bertie_Ahern
6 жыл бұрын
Now we have to spend a fortune of taxpayer money on foreign stuff for nearly everything. Thanks to a bunch of ignorant small-minded politicians (ie Tories) we gave up on pretty much all our manufacturing and industrial capacity to become a joke of a nation
@Martindyna
5 жыл бұрын
You took the words right out of my mouth.
@Keithbarber
4 жыл бұрын
I think that hst(ic125), whilst still going strong, was reaching the end of its lifespan, and the railways cannot keep old equipment going forever, there are only a certain amount of times you can repair, service, overhaul, rebuild, reengine & refurbish stock etc. before it becomes uneconomic
@Kev5565
3 жыл бұрын
@@Bertie_Ahern Yep we were sold out and left with no industry of our own to speak of. Our motor industry wouldn't change with the times and our rail industry that wanted to change couldn't find the money, the government thought it best to give even more money to shareholders of foreign companies.
@TheTrainspotterFromTauranga
8 жыл бұрын
The APT-E symbolizes Britain in the 1970s. A true icon.
@tsu8003
6 жыл бұрын
The APT-E symbolises Britains industry in the '80s, capable of greatness but ultimately doomed to oblivion!
@seansands424
5 жыл бұрын
@@tsu8003 Doomed for cancellation by guess who, thatcher
@seansands424
4 жыл бұрын
When Britain was great and could make our own trains and not rely on the Japanese like some 4th rate country which we now are
@cremilar
4 жыл бұрын
Sure does, a big waste of money on a failure.
@cocun738
3 жыл бұрын
@@cremilar It wasn’t a failure, it was purely experimental.
@nthglasScotland
8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this. I am not a spotter as such. Just an infrequent user of OUR railways. What is hitting me watching these films is HOW MUCH BR Engineering and Research actually did". I applaud those people. :)
@richoisarockgod
12 жыл бұрын
Gentlemen of the press. Never thought I'd here that phrase.
@Damocles178
14 жыл бұрын
My god all of these engines look very ahead of their time; some even look more futuristic than today's locos :) Thanks for the upload; I always wanted to see footage of these engines I heard so much about in action :D
@sanchoodell6789
6 жыл бұрын
1:02 Wow that's one cool train. It still looks very modern and advanced, even today if you were to see that pull into a station or thunder down the track. Still very futuristic. It's quite, y'know, 'neat' ! British Rail were really making some pioneering High Speed Trains back then. Then the French started to take up the lead (maybe they had a lead already even back then in the 1970s) but its a shame that the railways were privatised and a lot of are imported or foreign made/designed etc. now
@jprp999
2 жыл бұрын
The Railways were not just privatised they were deliberately run down and starved of funding for years in favour of the powerful road lobby then sold off for next to nothing exactly the same thing is being tried with the NHS although money is being spent it isn't going on the actual service and when it is a complete disgrace there will be less public resistance to full American takeover.
@soundseeker63
15 жыл бұрын
The APT was never meant to replace to the HST...they were being developed along side each other in the early/mid 70s. The APT its self might not have caught on, but the principle certainly did, and hence we now have Pendo's all over the WCML.
@richardmarshall4322
4 ай бұрын
Pendilino has APT technoligy. Ironic we underfund and scrap it, the Italians develop the technology and sell it back to us. Unbeleivable. Idiotic Goverments of the day. Went on a Hitachi effort the other day out of the Cross. Crap in comparison to a HST Mk 3 or a IC 225 Mk 4. Bargain basement shite. Peterborough was far enough. Wouldn't have fancied Scotland
@MartinHannett_
10 жыл бұрын
Music for APT-E part is: James Clarke - Inter-City 2 It's from the KPM music library LP called Music Pictorial
@SpoonyMcSpoonface
5 жыл бұрын
The musics available on you tube.
@ttvvideos2050
2 жыл бұрын
what about the prototype hst one
@maverick_motors_
2 жыл бұрын
@@ttvvideos2050 Bora by Simon Haselley
@ttvvideos2050
2 жыл бұрын
@@maverick_motors_ cheers
@DundeeRoad
8 жыл бұрын
Nice, Very sad that we didn't see the APT-E in full service.
@TomSrc
5 жыл бұрын
I mean the APT E was only an experimental train, the real passenger train was the APT P
@muttley8818
4 жыл бұрын
@@TomSrc APT-P never saw full service either, did get around a lot more than the E though.
@ukloco
10 жыл бұрын
Kestrel looked so far ahead of it's time, it would still look modern today.
@puziparrot
15 жыл бұрын
You still can see the APT-E, it is part of the National Collection and is on display in the NRM overflow at Shildon.
@rorymacve
15 жыл бұрын
My dad rode the Prototype HST from London Paddington to Bristol in 1973. Super vid 5*
@TheLegoTrainStation
11 жыл бұрын
The prototype HST mostly lives on. One power car scrapped, most of the coaches live on doing various tasks (most notably the New Measurment Train) and the other power car is being restored for mainline running with it's Valenta started for the first time this month!
@DENPTrains
6 жыл бұрын
The coaches aren't used on the New Measurement Train?
@BrakeCoach
6 жыл бұрын
DMHDTrains - Too the everywhere one is used in RTC Test car 10, and some others are mixed and coupled up to form the NMT.
@FishAndFingerPie69
11 жыл бұрын
In my opinion "Kestrel" was one of the best looking diesels ever produced along with the prototype and production "Deltics" and "Lion". Shame BR couldn't get the tilting mechanism on the APT to work properly.
@DJBRIDGER
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this Olly. So good to see footage of Kestrel and the Prototype HST. What a special era.
@WilliamHBaird-eq2hp
4 жыл бұрын
The APT was so cool loopking and avant-garde! HST R.I.P.
@WesternChampion1
16 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, a real archive gem. Thank you.
@railandmodel
16 жыл бұрын
Fantastic,Kestrel looks great.I can't wait now for Heljan to get their model of it out next year.I love the white coated boffin leaning out of the cab door smoking a pipe...Just so British!!What Ho Ho chap!! The other 2 clips are great too.Thank you for putting this on here for all of us to see. Cheers
@sandletters39
12 жыл бұрын
HS4000 was a 1968 equivalent of the recently-introduced GE Class 70 only being 300 hp more than the latter and weighing two tons less and its a crying shame that BR didn't realise its potential need for forthcoming heavy block trains such as aggregates from Somerset or Port Talbot-Llanwern iron-ore traffic.
@simonlilley
5 жыл бұрын
They did but HS4000 was too complicated for them.
@Thebigdog_1984
14 жыл бұрын
got to love the music and the beards in the APT-E bit
@jackfender9274
Жыл бұрын
Funny to see the driver still use a rag to operate the train, goes back to the old steam days I suppose, when rags helped prevent burns from the hot steam pipes and controls.
@okotokspaul
15 жыл бұрын
The Class 28 sitting in the background at the RTC at 1:59
@scriltist
14 жыл бұрын
No, Kestrel was built in 1968, at least a year after the last 47s. It had a Sulzer V16 engine, unlike the double-six used in the 47s and Peaks. It ran trials on the East Coast Main Line and on coal trains until 1971, when it was exported to Russia. The reason the design was abandoned was that BR were moving away from mixed-traffic locos to purpose-specific designs, hence the HSTs and 56s which followed. Someone wanted to try ad preserve it, I think around 1995, but it had already been cut up.
@Nightm00ds
16 жыл бұрын
thankyou so much for sharing this great archive footage 5*
@John514s
8 жыл бұрын
1:00 woah thats a tight squeeze!
@CrisisOnACanoe
11 жыл бұрын
A whole APT can be seen at "Crewe Works" where a lot of steam and diesel engines are rebuilt, and it's next to the main line.
@DocSponk
14 жыл бұрын
Nice to see the Kestrel in action.
@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329
4 жыл бұрын
41001 is the sole survivor prototype hst powercar still here today and so is the three Surviving prototype Carriages
@toby070
9 жыл бұрын
You know, if I had worked for Thomas and Friends or The Railway Series, then I would not have given APT-E or HST a proper face, but the face of a Cylon instead. "By Your Command".
@BrakeCoach
6 жыл бұрын
toby070 XD
@voidjavelin23
Ай бұрын
pip and emma now exist
@JackTheOfficeWorker
3 жыл бұрын
I like that Old Footage, Music even that man sound.
@DrMarcusKane
10 жыл бұрын
Love the very 1970s synth music during the APT clip as well!!
@secretspyfrog
11 жыл бұрын
When trains were trains, nice video, thank you very much!
@aptexp3164
5 жыл бұрын
as the last person to go down the main line from the cab of the APT-E a few years back now I can honestly say its the smoothest ride ive ever had and the hope of her doing it again are not on the cards unless we get a lot of help
@TheNitebeatDisco
14 жыл бұрын
awesome video!
@puziparrot
15 жыл бұрын
It's Advanced Passenger Train - Experimental. APT-P is Advanced Passenger Train - Prototype. If the APT went into full scale production it would have been the APT-S, for Adavnced Passenger Train - Squadron, although i'm no to sure on this one, as on second thoughts it might have been Service.
@briansaiditsoitmustbetrue4206
5 жыл бұрын
PEOPLE OF THE 1970'S..... WOW THE FUTURE WILL BE SO GREAT PEOPLE OF 2019...I WISH I COULD GO BACK TO THE 1970'S.
@juleshathaway3894
3 жыл бұрын
No need to shout dude! ;-)
@ttvvideos2050
2 жыл бұрын
I aggre
@bwhugul
16 жыл бұрын
I didn't know there was another prototype diesel 'Class 47-style' loco! And what a damn pity that the APT was short-sightedly abandoned by government. We would have had the second-best high speed services in Europe! (TGV in France was entering service in 1978)
@LNERK361983
16 жыл бұрын
If you're interested Video 125 have all 3 of these clips on a DVD of theirs. Its called Classic Railway Newsreels. Other newreels included on this are the prototype Deltic, the first run of the protoducion HST and the Harrow and Wealdstone crash.
@seelking
16 жыл бұрын
great video!!
@mrspivvy
15 жыл бұрын
yes, I remember it being touted as the next big thing, set to replace the HST. interest just sort of fizzled out when they couldnt make the suspension work properly. You can't imagine funding for such an adventurous project these days
@MrLobo76-
12 жыл бұрын
The designers of the pendos looked at and used the tilting mechanism from the apt-e only refined it a little, during press run, yes they barfed cuz they were hungover but also they never felt the tilting only saw it, so brain could not cope and they were ill. They did too good a job, so the new pendos allow you to feel slight tilt to compensate.
@JackTheOfficeWorker
Жыл бұрын
Kestrel is my most favorited.
@shahedmc9656
3 жыл бұрын
So much optimism comes across in the APT-E video. So much negative stuff happened since.
@vladimir2366fa
15 жыл бұрын
the movies is excellent, thanks you ★★★★★
@nigelterry9299
7 жыл бұрын
Interesting to see the CoBo at Derby in the background of the APT at Derby sequence.
@MartinHannett_
11 жыл бұрын
The music in the APT-P part is called "Inner-City 2" by James Clarke.
@bjoe385
3 жыл бұрын
*Inter-City.
@dankahn8768
10 жыл бұрын
Remember these? Everyone says how successful the French were with the TGV, but Britain, too, finally came up with a winner albeit not quite as fast, in the HST which is still going strong on the Midland Mainline and some Cross Country routes.
@DENPTrains
6 жыл бұрын
and VTEC, GWR and GC
@Danse_Macabre_125
Жыл бұрын
2023 update for the HSTs: GWML, XC routes, Scotland and the NMT
@JohnWalshLegend
12 жыл бұрын
Kestrel..beautiful machine.!!
@philquine
16 жыл бұрын
Awesome!!!
@nicholaskennedy1748
5 жыл бұрын
The music during the prototype HST segment was also used in some Sweeney episodes; I'm assuming it was some sort of royalty free sample music
@jessicaandtrains7768
2 жыл бұрын
Where did it all go wrong!? There was such innovation and optimism.
@paulnolan1352
Жыл бұрын
Politics old chap.
@pss1967
10 жыл бұрын
3 mins 6 secs "Gentlemen of the Press"......................LOL
@PS-nf3xw
5 жыл бұрын
Gentlemen of staff, audience....
@Keithbarber
4 жыл бұрын
They were just being polite on camera
@trainlover11playzgoodbyetr4
3 жыл бұрын
3:06
@PenzancePete
12 жыл бұрын
Ah hindsight, what a wonderul thing. "Kestrel" was designed and built as a high speed passenger locomotive. To that end it was a failure as at 125 tons as it simply hammered the track into oblivion, even after being fitted with lighter class 47 bogies. The future wasn't loco operated passenger trains but as it turned out high speed lightweight self contained sets powered by either diesel (HST) or electric (Pendolino). Locomotive classes 56, 58 and 60 met the freight requirements adequately.
@simonlilley
5 жыл бұрын
I wrote a piece on Kestrel for Railways Illustrated about 2011 on why BR in the end didnt want it. It was too complex and trying to do too many things.
@ipodwindow
14 жыл бұрын
Great video
@KARTAVIDEO
5 жыл бұрын
The train in front of yellow is very good. It's rare like that. Greetings from Indonesoa.
@MaxBOS-FALLOUT4
Жыл бұрын
The apt-e is at shildon railway museum
@Trotsky130
14 жыл бұрын
Can still remember the first time I saw the HST prototype (i was about 7) it was quite common for a while
@SuperTrainStationH
16 жыл бұрын
Kestrel is the most beautiful British diesel.
@JintySteam1
14 жыл бұрын
3:15 nice to see a good old standed BR van
@LordLemsip
14 жыл бұрын
In the APT video, the metrovick co-bo in the yard at derby was a surprise. I'd forgotten they had one for a short time.
@jimusgrimus
8 жыл бұрын
Richard Marsh..........the man who closed the Waverley Route
@Skoda130
15 жыл бұрын
Shame.. I think it's one of the most beautiful Brittisch diesel I've ever seen. Nice and streamlined. Much better than the quirky appearance of class 25 and 27 or 31 locomotives..
@Isochest
10 жыл бұрын
This template should be the one for the UK rail industry now geared to today's speeds and freight expectations
@Damocles178
14 жыл бұрын
R.I.P Kestrel :( If only it was still preserved
@JackTheOfficeWorker
Жыл бұрын
*(**2:31**) Prototype HST*
@SuperTrainStationH
15 жыл бұрын
Kestrel was the prettiest of the British diesels locomotives.
@bwarrrrk
15 жыл бұрын
i would like have liked to see one!
@jamienevill1768
3 жыл бұрын
The APT. Nicknamed by some as the All Push Together!
@puziparrot
16 жыл бұрын
On the newsreel it uses the company that made the newsreels stock footage of the Prototype HST all stiched together to have something new to look at instead of the same shots used over and over again. The shots with the Mk1 Buffet are from early tests on the Western Region, where the buffet was used to house scientific equiptment. The shots from the actual press run in the buffet depict the interior of a Mk3, not a Mk1.
@nov3019892008
11 жыл бұрын
Is it true that there is only one HST prototype powercar remaining?
@ThingsWithEngines
6 жыл бұрын
Yes it is, unfortunately. But, at least one is better than none! 41001 is the survivor, so it was quite nice seeing 41002 in this film as well.
@T3DSK1
15 жыл бұрын
there was also the falcon which ended up at Ebbw junction to work iron ore from Newport docks to Ebbw Vale steelworks and then was cut up at cashmores in Newport I believe
@Calvertfilm
10 жыл бұрын
Interesting how the music varied through the years but not the 'Queen's English' voice :-)
@nokkvi8253
3 жыл бұрын
The front looked like the Norwegian NSB type 73 tilt train
@dcg12b
13 жыл бұрын
Wow you can see a class 28 cobo at 1:55 That might be the loco thats now being restored on the East Lancs Railway.
@sandletters39
11 жыл бұрын
Marsh was the guy who closed the Waverley Route during his short term post as Transport Minister. The reason for his appointment was due to Wilson's frequent cabinet reshuffles in a deeply unpopular Labour Government. Amazingly at present, they've reopening part of the line to the Galashiels area.
@Trek001
15 жыл бұрын
Scrapped in April - May 1991
@bluevan12
9 жыл бұрын
Apparently the Kestrel was an experimental forerunner of the HST capable of doing 125 miles per hour.
@domenicosilecchia7185
8 жыл бұрын
ooooooooooooo9 000000000000oooooolkklllp. .
@AndreiTupolev
14 жыл бұрын
While we know what an HST sounds like, you can't help rather wishing the funky 60s/70s soundtrack could've let up a bit so we could hear what Kestrel and the APT sounded like a bit more. Anyway, interesting, isn't it, how BR's boffins spent millions and years and years playing with their pet toy the APT, while the engineers just took the existing Mk3 stock, designed power cars for it, and, well, it seems to have worked pretty well, doesn't it. But do they still have Micro Wave Ovens???
@Martindyna
5 жыл бұрын
Yes I wonder what the APT-P would sound like (8000 HP (2 x 4000) ASEA traction motors which i assume are 3 phase type).
@type2thrash
16 жыл бұрын
Shame 'Kestrel' aint about still? It would of been a beast!!
@gnerco
8 жыл бұрын
Note the Co-Bo at Derby still in green with lower grey bodyside line.
@bluevan12
13 жыл бұрын
It's says it all about the quality of British Engineering that HST's are still going strong
@puziparrot
15 жыл бұрын
HS4000, or Kesteral was tested by British Rail all through 1969. After this it sat around at the back of a depot for a year, when it was then sold to the USSR in 1971. Its bogies were re-guaged to broad guage and sent to Russia in the same year. It worked in russia until the mid '80s, when it was withdraw. It spent the rest of its life in a russian scrap yard, until being scrapped in Spring 1991.
@sandletters39
12 жыл бұрын
Its quite a point there.
@cadespencer6320
5 жыл бұрын
This had the same fate as the bombardier jettrain
@puziparrot
15 жыл бұрын
Indeed, proberbly let out a mountain of smoke :P.
@drs66412
11 жыл бұрын
I like the kestrel
@puziparrot
15 жыл бұрын
APT naming is as follows: APT-E - Experimental APT-P - Prototype APT-S - Squadron, imagine a 91, Mk4 rake and DVT shaped like an APT-P and you've got an APT-S. Was to be brought into use on the WCML and eventually the ECML. Replying to a previous comment, APTs would have replaced HSTs on major routes (with HSTs going to secondary routes) including the GWML. They've been trying to electrify it for much longer than you think ;).
@shahedmc9656
5 жыл бұрын
I always wrongly assumed that the E suffix meant electric (for the WCML).
@Trek001
15 жыл бұрын
every little helps!
@giatiexwkanali2750
5 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the E320
@karaloca
15 жыл бұрын
Its great - squelchy pre acid!
@NaenaeGaming
5 жыл бұрын
If the APT E had the APT P front part and paint, I would like it more.
@mavizs
7 жыл бұрын
I wish they put the APT-E in service
@patrickmaloney6440
4 жыл бұрын
Jeez that HST prototype was a munter...
@ancientoneuk
15 жыл бұрын
The proto HST is very reminiscent of the old Midland Pullman sets I thought
@joshualangstaff3230
4 жыл бұрын
Anyone know the name of the music @02:35 during the hst segment. I can’t seem to find it.
@karaloca
15 жыл бұрын
Imagine it dropped on the floor, along with banging train rhythms, now we're talking.
@lewis72
12 жыл бұрын
Bloody hell, that 1972 APT still looks futuristis now, in 2012
@ttvvideos2050
2 жыл бұрын
now, in 2022
@UKman945
6 жыл бұрын
Sorry if I sound an idiot but I wanna ask, what're those orange and blue couches in the third clip, I've never seen them before and it looks right in the middle of the BR Blue period, are they maybe test couches or some kind of special inspectors ones? I'm quite interested
@simonlilley
5 жыл бұрын
Departmental stock. That bit of film is overlooking the RTC in Derby. Its Blue and red to be accurate, the film makes it look orange.
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