Cutting this song does a disservice to the story. It adds pathos to the Judge by showing his inner struggle and torment, while at the same time reinforcing the fact that he is reprehensible for choosing to put his desires above Johanna's. This is like if Hellfire was cut from Disney's Hunchback of Notre Dame.
@markcobuzzi826
8 жыл бұрын
+Floweramon I really do like this song and feel it is very creepy and atmospheric, but there is one thing I do not understand about this song's place in the story. Could you clarify this one thing for me? What I never understood about this part is why Judge Turpin feels conflicted about himself in the first place. Up until that point, he already coveted another man's wife, bore false witness against him to remove her husband from his plate, and then brutally raped the wife in front of a crowd of people. If he seemed pretty happy about committing these sins in the past and showed no regret, why does he seem to only now think God might have a problem with him, once he starts to lust after Johanna. If Judge Turpin felt remorse for what he did to Lucy, believed she died when she poisoned herself, tried to raise Johanna to atone for it, and then felt this lust for Johanna, then he would have a discernible reason to feel conflicted. But given the fact that he is still sentencing innocent boys to death left and right, etc. he comes off simply as a selfish sociopath who does not care about who he hurts and never had any principles, nor any desire to be a better person. With Claude Frollo in Disney's Hunchback of Notre Dame, the inner turmoil makes sense because Frollo has always hailed himself a sinless man who has the right to cast the first stone. He used his sense of self-righteousness to justify all the horrible things he did in the past. Then, when he becomes infatuated with Esmeralda, he is faced with a sin that he never confronted before and now realizes that he can no longer deny how wicked he is in the eyes of God. He cannot even live up to his own twisted principles. The fact that Esmeralda was a Gypsy also turns his xenophobic views on its head. Hence the struggle is about him trying to delude himself into thinking he is not the one at fault and that he still has no weaknesses, that would take away his "right" to condemn others. This leads to his insanity and obsession will either possessing or killing Esmeralda. Maybe I am missing something about the character of Judge Turpin. If I am, I would really like to hear it.
@Floweramon
8 жыл бұрын
+Mark Cobuzzi I think it really is just a matter of it being one step too far (at least until he justifies it in his mind in various ways even if they're twisted ie. "protecting her from the world" "her being old enough to no longer be seen as a daughter" ect.). There are people in the world that can hold morals in one area of life but still go on to do reprehensible things, even things that seem hypocritical towards those morals. I also think he did genuinely think of Johanna as his atonement ie like Quasimodo was for Frollo. And when you raise someone since they were a baby, whether they're blood related or not, you tend to view them differently than other people. Which makes it all the more horrifying when less familial thoughts start popping up. But to mix Quasimodo and Esmeralda a bit, when she started "making him think sinful thoughts", perhaps he then started thinking the only way to atone/fix the problem was to wed her and make those thoughts less bad. It's hard to say exactly what his line of thinking was, because I think he was himself full of muddled panicked thoughts of lust and damnation, so he himself wasn't in his right mind.
@markcobuzzi826
8 жыл бұрын
+Floweramon Thank you for your quick reply. Taking your analysis into consideration, the best inference I can come up with is that perhaps Judge Turpin did spend the next 15 years looking at what he did to Lucy with fear and disgust (albeit not explicitly stated in the play). However, he probably was not genuinely sorry for what he did to hurt Benjamin and Lucy, and only felt that way because his conscience caught up to him and he realized he could be damned for what he did to Lucy. And so wanting to escape damnation, but still have his way as much as possible, he took in Johanna, thinking it would be the bare minimum needed to avoid divine repercussions. If he still had fear for what he did to Lucy and was trying to convince himself he is not that person anymore, that could explain why he is always telling Johanna that the world is full of wicked men that will try to snatch her. In the movie version, I vaguely remember a scene where Turpin leads Anthony Hope to his library, shows him books, and then accuses him of wanting to sneak in and take advantage of Johanna. It would be would be as though Turpin is projecting everything he fears about himself onto the rest of humanity. So when he finally starts having lustful feelings of Johanna, he would be reminded of everything he did to Lucy, which he thought he was now past. He now realizes he is still the same damnable man as he was 15 years ago, and hence is desperately praying to God. And it would make sense for him to think he was going one step further then ever, if he did start to grow attached to Johanna as a daughter. I guess if there was anything I would change, I would have added another verse in this song where he prays to God and also pleads to forgive him for what he did to Lucy as well. If he had fear for the repercussions of what he did to Lucy as well, it would be a missing piece of his story arc, that would finally allow his inner conflict to make sense.
@stickynutjuicemoved959
6 жыл бұрын
I think he's struggling with a madonna/whore complex type thing. He wants to stay with this idea of Johanna as this innocent pure child. He doesn't really care about the fact that he's forcing his 'ward' into an incestuous relationship, but he does care that he is, in his mind, debasing what he believes to be an angelic figure with his desires. But he still finds a way to decide that he's doing the right thing. I think a theme linking most of this musical together is the justification behind bad deeds and how a lot of the time they're just what's most convenient/comforting for us as opposed to the most 'moral' decision - e.g. sweeney murdering all these people in order to get to the judge, partially for what he did to lucy, only to then slit lucy's throat because she's in the way on his plan. With the judge, he comforts both his moral compass and his dick by deciding that forcing his child to marry him is actually protecting her from a bad world, and therefore not debasing.
@LarrySonOfMilton
2 жыл бұрын
@@markcobuzzi826 this is really good analysis--and youʻre right. that would make his guilt make sense.
@rebeccamickle4726
9 жыл бұрын
This piece isn't usually cut because its "too creepy" but because it is incredibly sexual. The Judge literally climaxes in this song on the word "God." The same reason that much of the Beggar Woman's songs were cut from the Tim Burton film. She is very obscene and sexual. I am fortunate enough to be in a production of this musical in February 2015 that includes the Judge's song and all the obscenities of the Beggar Woman. Good job, by the way. You made this scene pretty tasteful.
@Upprorr
9 жыл бұрын
That explains why this scene isn't in my high school production of Sweeney! Lol
@ameliashaw6357
5 жыл бұрын
i think it’s the most important scene. it gives the show so much (in my opinion) necessary context
@MaskedManMikeMD
4 жыл бұрын
We just saw a performance today and the judge literally grips his whip handle like a phallus...
@notsusan
4 жыл бұрын
i mean, the fact that it's so sexual about a 15 year old girl he raised as a daughter IS pretty...well, creepy.
@LarrySonOfMilton
2 жыл бұрын
what obscenities did the Beggar Woman say? Iʻm so curious
@mzytryck
10 жыл бұрын
The version I saw had Turpin start off topless, and was flogging himself from the start. The comparison is interesting; in this version he's a civilised man breaking down, while in the version I saw he started off like a beast, and it emphasised that his cultured veneer was a flimsy cover. This version comes across as more hypocritically conflicted, the other one more obviously brutish.
@lucemayer6276
5 жыл бұрын
Yeah i saw it yesterday and it Was a Mix of them both. He started as civilised and clothed but ripped his Shirt open during the climax. I think it is a good way to incorperate both.
@nickola9749
8 жыл бұрын
the guy in my Highschool performance is really good. and I'm glad we're doing the full version (I got cast as Johanna and my boyfriend got cast as Anthony)
@welshlout3400
8 жыл бұрын
+Nickola Orr Haha I bet you were happy with that ;)
@Lucy-nw4im
3 жыл бұрын
Be awkward if you broke up
@mariamjankowski1137
10 жыл бұрын
I wish this song was in the movie.
@jjaniero
9 жыл бұрын
+Mariam Jankowski and on the accompaniment CD which is all instrumental - very disappointing that it was excluded
@InfinitySquared
12 жыл бұрын
I plan to be using this song to audition for the part of Judge Turpin next week. Thank you for giving me an excellent example of how this can be done tastefully, without losing its intensity!
@jjaniero
8 жыл бұрын
it is difficult to keep this song musical considering the content but this rendition does it beautifully
@agenttheater5
11 жыл бұрын
I'm still kind of half glad this wasn't in the movie, Alan Rickman scared me enough without it. Either way, the sooner poor Johanna gets out of that house, the better!
@quietstarsilence7038
7 жыл бұрын
I watched a production done by the local theater group and man this song was weird but the group did a fabulous job and the singing was awesome
@allmachtigenallergroter5298
7 жыл бұрын
Is that Mike Pence?
@maureenvanblarcom613
8 жыл бұрын
Young actor playing an old man never works. He looks like he's attempting to take a dump.
@archery411
10 жыл бұрын
Where did you guys get Johanna's wig? It's gorgeous!
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