Kia Electric News Special: The truth about EV fires *** Updated note 19/08/2024*** The fleet news figures have been disputed. It’s possible they got the decimal point in the wrong place because in EU they use a comma instead of decimal point so the numbers quoted are much lower. The EVs 20 times less likely figure is still correct though. This later Guardian Article gives more insight:- www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/20/do-electric-cars-pose-a-greater-fire-risk-than-petrol-or-diesel-vehicles Even with these figures it still shows Petrol & Diesel fires still many times more likely. ******************
@The_Observer72
Ай бұрын
Risk is low but an electric fire is more of a scary explosion 💥
@OlafSt
Ай бұрын
Think of 50 Litres of fuel in your fuel tank ignite at once. I don't think there is much of a difference.
@ricco123tube
Ай бұрын
Another aspect is that if the plastic fuel tank melts, and it does, the fuel spills to adjacent vehicles and spreads the fire instantly. Not to mention the fuel spilling down gutters and drains which causes even more destruction, think about Luton airport multi storey carpark. If an electric car catches fire due to an electrical fault which is not part of the traction battery, it usually doesn't cause a bad fire. However, if the traction battery has a thermal runaway event, then it is a pretty fierce event.
@The_Observer72
Ай бұрын
@@OlafSt A petrol car usually doesn’t explode within a split second. Not that I’ve seen anyway.
@evodessey
Ай бұрын
All those hollywood movies were wrong?😂😱
@The_Observer72
Ай бұрын
@@evodessey Pretty much so 🤣🤣🤣
@simonheape5279
Ай бұрын
Thanks for helping put things in context Brian
@evodessey
Ай бұрын
No worries. This story is still developing. I will cover more news on this in Kia Electric News on Sunday’s episode.
@joseaugustocarvalho6298
Ай бұрын
Today, according to the press, a fire occurred in a Tesla brand electric car, with the destruction of several cars (update: more than 200) in a park near Lisbon airport. The park is on a roof and the cars were in the sun. It's starting to be a lot of coincidence, hot weather and fires from parked electric cars, it seems like the industry didn't do its homework
@OlafSt
Ай бұрын
Yesterday I needed two new tires for my EV6 (2 nails punched in one of the front tires). So I took the chance to take a look at the bottom side of my car. Despite the dirt the bottom was completely clear, no scratches, no dents, nothing. At the rear end you can take a look directly on the battery, also nothing of concern there. All visible connectors were in top conditon, no wear to be seen.
@teardowndan5364
Ай бұрын
The average EV today is 2-3 years old, most of them owned by wealthier people who can afford to have their car fully looked after. The average ICEV is 12 years old, many of which driven as "beater cars" by people who neglect basic maintenance and drive them until the wheels fall off. Also, about half of ICEV fires are of electrical origins, such as rodents chewing through cables and grommets wearing through or dry-rotting over time. EVs will have those problems over time too - Tesla had many problems with rodents eating their soy-based wire insulation in the past. If EVs ever make it to the budget-minded ~25k$ price point in meaningful quantities and into the hands of beater-car drivers, I expect EV fires to become far more common than they are today. Beater-car drivers aren't going to drive to the dealership for a battery assessment after every seemingly minor collision with a speed bump, curb, road debris, etc., they will keep going until the car refuses to charge or shuts down altogether.
@evodessey
Ай бұрын
That's very true. Already seen some EV6 with rodents chewing through wires. In the UK though they have to pass a mandatory MOT test at the 3rd year to be driven legally.
@teardowndan5364
Ай бұрын
@@evodessey Three years is a long time to accumulate damage between inspections when all it takes to send NMC/NCA batteries into spectacular thermal runaway is one sufficiently hard strike in a sensitive spot, with the cause-to-effect often taking a few weeks to reveal itself. Ex.: compromised seals needing a few drives under wet conditions for water seepage to get the show started. And what do you do when the inspection does find damage? You become the proud owner of 3000-6000lbs of overpriced e-waste because replacement batteries are often impossible to get in a timely manner or prohibitively expensive to replace. Based on insurance stories, the write-off threshold for potential battery damage with insurers is extremely low.
@FedorAlberts
Ай бұрын
Nice!
@evodessey
Ай бұрын
So glad you spotted it so i could make it even better.👍
@DFS71
Ай бұрын
I have been considering a 21 kona. But with all these news im getting a bit concerned. Especially since where i live the roads are bad and im afraid of puncturing the battery without knowing... how safe is an ev actually? Should i still go for it since i will charge at home?
@evodessey
Ай бұрын
Well the Kona has higher ground clearance than an EV6 or Ioniq 5. The whole battery is incased in an aluminum protective enclosure. Depends how bad the roads actually are where you are? If you drive carefully and slow enough to meet pot hole conditions then there should be no problem. I’ve not heard of one getting punctured like that. There was a case in Canada where an Ioniq 5 ran over something at high speed and that had to be written off due to battery case being bent but not punctured. If you drive any kind of car too fast and hit something you can do major damage,tear the fuel line or puncture the fuel tank so i don’t see any increase in risk. If the EV has LFP type batteries instead of NMC then there is much lower risk of fire. I also found this reddit article www.reddit.com/r/KonaEV/comments/119l7i3/pot_hole_damages_battery/ So maybe you should pick an EV with higher ground clearance if you are that worried. Roads around here are quite bad and the worst we’ve had is to have wheel alignment done more often.
@DFS71
Ай бұрын
@@evodessey thank you. That puts things in perspective. Ill still go with the Kona. Just have to be careful while driving. 😀
@NtotheO91
Ай бұрын
Thanks for the info. One thing is not clear to me though. Does this mean charging to 90% is safer than 80% on EV6 e.g. due to how the BMS is handling cell balancing?
@evodessey
Ай бұрын
I’ve found more info from Hyundai since that explains a bit more. Still investigating. The 80% thing was always to maintain battery health long term.90% is the closest you can get in settings to being fully charged without being fully charging. Despite what the BMS is claimed to be doing (amongst other things, monitoring for out of balance cell & cell heating) that EV6 caught fire whilst still plugged in. We will have to see what comes out of the investigation. is 80% safer than 90%? i don’t know but suspect it is. On previous Hyundai group battery recalls on the Kona & Soul owners were instructed to reduce the max %SOC to reduce the risk. While we are nowhere near to a battery recall yet it has happened before after manufacturing faults were found. Hopefully this EV6 incident is a one off.
@stephenhedges6665
Ай бұрын
@evodessey Hello Brian. We are considering an EV6 GT Line. 3 yrs old. I'll swear now, Tesla do a dog mode for when you need to leave a dog in the car for a while. Air con and camera to watch them with a message on the screen saying its OK. I'm aware of preconditioning the vehicle before you need to drive it. Could this function be used after unlocking. Locking your our dog safety inside and then turn on climate to keep the car temp comfortable. Anyone tried this method or does the EV6 have a similar dog mode ?
@evodessey
Ай бұрын
You can lock the car in Utility Mode with AC on,remote AC only lasts a few minutes so is no good for Dog mode Lockng car in Utility Mode is not straight forward. I would never trust any Aircon to keep running in case the dog got cooked. We are dog owners and never leave dog in car but it's personal choice
@barackblows1942
Ай бұрын
Lutton fire was a hybrid battery fire. 🔥
@evodessey
Ай бұрын
It was bound to be.😮
@Chrislayeruk1
Ай бұрын
All this limit to the charge percentage makes a mockery of the advertised range as I see it. If a battery is of a certain size, but you are only supposed to charge to 80 or 90% Why not advertise a smaller capacity and lock the charge to 80 or 90% making the whole exercise safer for all?
@evodessey
Ай бұрын
Good question. It’s already got a top and bottom buffer so it already does to some extent.So that does contradict that. This was only to mitigate charging in an underground carpark from those stories i’ve read.Carry on as normal if charging outside.
@autobahnproven
Ай бұрын
A diesel hybrid Range Rover, wasn't it?
@lmaoroflcopter
Ай бұрын
I have zero concern and the difference in intensity of a fire between 80% charge and 100% charge when it comes to a large capacity battery it makes absolutely naff all difference and it sounds like "safety theatre" and in fact as most BMS's top balance, you run the risk of an imbalanced pack (increasing the risk of a fire/failure) if you continuously charge only to 80 or 90%. You have to charge to 100% periodically to ensure cells are balanced. There is a key thing about EV fires though that are different to Petrol fires and that is BLEVE. An ICE car will violently explode. An EV car generally just burns.
@evodessey
Ай бұрын
I agree.Yes maybe Hyundai are doing safety theatre as you say. Details of this story are still emegerging.
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