Thanks for such a fair and balanced review, Michael - the feedback is great! We're very grateful that you get our sort of 'vision' for the app and what we wanted to do with Kino. :) It's definitely a v1 - so we have big plans for it, and things like manual WB are on the roadmap, along with, well other things :) Re: Focus locking - this is a great bit of feedback. I'll speak as half of the team, (Sebastiaan) but as the designer I kept seeing people hold their iPhone in a sort of spider-grip, being extremely careful not to touch the screen to upset any parameter of the recording. I wanted to make an app that felt, well, secure to use - something where you didn't feel like an errant tap or misplaced finger would ruin your setup or exposure and focus. We might've been TOO strict on that, but now that the app is out we're honestly just excited to see how people use it, who uses it, and what people want. Again, thanks for the review and we are gonna work on all your feedback :)
@elizabeth4053
3 ай бұрын
Purchased for my iPhone 15 Pro Max. Hoping it doesn’t go to a subscription based model so that I’ll feel better sharing with f&f. Michael’s videos how I’ll share. Looking forward to seeing how it turns out 🤳🏻
@almond1505
3 ай бұрын
I agree, I hate accidentally touching the screen and re focusing. If you do add that feature please enable a way to disable it as well.
@lovebags5139
3 ай бұрын
Is this still on sale? If so its just giving me the $20 option
@Kuiaiaakuno
3 ай бұрын
Would love to try... but... your week long intro sale of 50% is now 100% ... in just 3 days?? 🤨
@charliesaigon
3 ай бұрын
Please allow the app recording to allow stop/start with bluetooth remotes. Thx!
@martinpostmusfilmmaker
3 ай бұрын
You have left an right audio, but on 13:37 i see mono (M) Thats the Problem i have on the iPhone 14 Pro only M and not L-R audio
@DanZimmerli
3 ай бұрын
It’s already up to $20 so I guess the intro price isn’t for a week but only a couple days
@SamThingsHD
3 ай бұрын
Same. Their response was "I think you caught it just as the sale ended and now it's full price" when I sent in a ticket after I watched this vid soon as he posted it. Riiiiiight. Oh well.
@halidecamera
3 ай бұрын
@@SamThingsHD It was listed on the blog as ending Friday, but we did extend it to Sunday midnight! Sorry you missed it, but we’ll definitely run a sale for our first big update :)
@murasakistudio
2 ай бұрын
@@halidecamera I think the first I heard of this app was on Mac Rumors and I was under the impression the sale would last a week, then a couple days later when I went to purchase it was over. The full £20 in the UK then seemed a bit expensive for a new app with no demo option to test, so I decided to leave it and wait for more feedback from others. We also have Final Cut Camera now.
@Reuel_Media
3 ай бұрын
you can bake in a lut too the footage with the blackmagic app though. not sure why you said you couldnt
@initialfocus
3 ай бұрын
What I said the BM app can’t do is take a clip you’ve already shot in LOG, import it into the app and then apply a LUT and then export it as a new video. Kino is the first video app I’ve seen to be able to do that.
@HeyWorld-o8j
3 ай бұрын
@@initialfocus It was a little mislead, not all LUT can be imported.
@ocbartender3960
3 ай бұрын
Just purchased the App & not a minute later your video popped up & of course had to watch it. Great insights & info so,good looking out & keep up the great work!👊
@AndrewCCM
3 ай бұрын
Just bought the app and not a minute later it starts crashing. Sigh
@ShaunWavePlus
3 ай бұрын
how do you feel about this app for vlogs?? i think i will try it vs the default camera app which i use because its simple and quick... that's what i need. i have the black magic app and its wonderful but not really good for vlogs as there's sooo much going on with that app.. simplicity but very good is what I need!!
@Coatsey007
3 ай бұрын
Are the presets all reducing the Apple Log down to Rec.709 or can you use the LUT to stay in Rec.2020 or HDR?
@MaximoJoshua
3 ай бұрын
The lut itself is what defines that conversion. I don’t know how it works in kino, but in bmc you can add whatever lut you want.
@Reuel_Media
3 ай бұрын
I would assume the LUTs would export as rec709
@halidecamera
3 ай бұрын
The LUTs are separated based on your color space, and almost all of the Log ones are natively made for Log footage, not transformed and stacked.
@MaximoJoshua
3 ай бұрын
@@halidecamera I think the question is what color space do the LUT’s output to. Most LUT’s output to Rec709 acting as a look and a technical conversion. Every iPhone for the last 5 years supports HDR, so you can output HLG or PQ (Rec2100). The question is to what color space do the LUT’s convert the incoming Log footage to.
@halidecamera
3 ай бұрын
@@MaximoJoshua We actually state it at LUT import time what output space is which is Rec709 for now. We'd love to add further HDR export with other tags as well.
@gd1008
3 ай бұрын
I couldn't figure out what is this icon/button between grid and RGB levels do. I searched other videos and developer website and nobody seems to explain that.
@initialfocus
3 ай бұрын
I say it in the video….its image stabilization.
@gd1008
3 ай бұрын
@@initialfocus Thank you, I see it now. Somehow I missed it at first. Great review and excellent app.
@AndrewCCM
3 ай бұрын
The one thing BMC needs to add is the ability to burn in LUTS after the fact. Actually, I'd like a little simple app that was just a color grade utility for Apple Log. Not as complicated as DaVinci Resolve, but something to easily modify the looks and apply LUTS (and perhaps de-Squeeze Anamorphic footage).
@MaximoJoshua
3 ай бұрын
i mean...you can put everything in bmc to auto...i guess it's just not for me, you pay $10 for less features, i don't have to change any settings in bmc to start recording, i literally have preset settings where all of it is set the way i want it. You can just hit the action button, which takes me into "filming mode" and opens BMC with all my settings set, and i hit record. You can even import and export presets. I just don't get it, but ok. I already have two apps on my home screen, the native camera app, and BMC. Maybe I am just missing something.
@halimrahman
3 ай бұрын
I have got to agree to this. BMC is free and has better control.
@maaikees
3 ай бұрын
This convinced me to buy it, as I feel like I’m the intended user. I have an iPhone 15 Pro, but I have never shot in log before, as color grading sounds daunting to me. The fact that I can do it in the app is amazing and makes me want to try it out!
@liveryko
3 ай бұрын
I bought it at launch because this app seems fantastic for travel and stuff like that. I want to use a nd outside but be fast and easy to film stuff and this app really is that, not much menus that we need to navigate and the "auto" thing to help with exposure it´s amazing. Right now i can't import my lut's, it gives me an error but even with the included lut's it really is amazing for a V1.
@halidecamera
3 ай бұрын
Working on it!
@chrisbogart687
3 ай бұрын
The real app that you needed to compare it to is the stock Apple app and why this one is much better for the average user and how it gives you more capabilities and functionality. I did just buy it to have it available for when the situation calls for me to quickly get the shot.
@intillanes
3 ай бұрын
What about using an anamorphic lens?
@AndrewCCM
3 ай бұрын
Exactly... Was searching all over for it... NADA So disappointing.
@ArkaG2312
Ай бұрын
Is the log profile can be use in the non pro models?
@robpastore
3 ай бұрын
Great review! I purchased it because it’s again another tool to have on the iPhone and more choices to get the job done. I wonder if this also going to open a market to creators to make Luts for sale, I’d be curious to see what your thoughts are on that or even if you are thinking about making a few and sale them. Thanks again for your thoughts on this app.
@RobSpiv
3 ай бұрын
I wish someone would create a video app that doesn't use minuscule font for the hud/onscreen status information. Some of us can't read the tiny status info even with extreme squinting. With so much less info on the screen than BlackMagic, Kino has the potential to provide this - if they care?
@heynow2880
3 ай бұрын
Does it have the same feature that Blackmagic app does where it turns you microphone to none for no reason ruining your videos?
@rohitntu
3 ай бұрын
That has been fixed in 1.4 of the Blackmagic Camera app!
@heynow2880
3 ай бұрын
@@rohitntu it happened to me on 1.4
@cammackey
3 ай бұрын
Welcome to Late Night Uploads with Michael Tobin
@initialfocus
3 ай бұрын
Morning uploads are overrated 😅
@4sightfilmsLLC
3 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@brandonblackonline
3 ай бұрын
Definitely need Blackmagic to add that option to bake a LUT after you’ve shot a clip for export. No brainer
@AnthonyD42
3 ай бұрын
Possible bug: The waveform monitor doesn't rotate when shooting in vertical. Or possible social commentary that I shouldn't be shooting in vertical!
@extramedium3920
3 ай бұрын
Lock WB on record would be good. Seeing dropped frames on long record times on the Blackmagic Cam app
@imjesusmgarcia1997
3 ай бұрын
So you can’t control WB and it costs $20?!… I’ll stick to the Blackmagic Camera App.
@shadowshapers
3 ай бұрын
This answered a lot of the questions that I've had since first hearing about the app online. Thank you so much for putting together this comparison and walking through all of the pros and cons of the app for us. I don't think I'll be investing in the V1 of the app but it's definitely on my radar for when a project calls for this kind of thing.
@martijnvanderveen9448
3 ай бұрын
Great app. Hopefully bluetooth remote is added in future versions
@halidecamera
3 ай бұрын
We’re on it!
@regularguyrevolution9455
3 ай бұрын
Totally bringing the goods to the night crowd! Appreciate you sir! I will definitely check this out! Thanks for all your videos and content you share-massively valuable! Take care out there! 👍
@ErikSutton1
3 ай бұрын
As a dane, seeing a Stalman lut called Glostrup, but with a picture Nyhavn in the background triggers me🤣 Joke aside, great video!
@murasakistudio
2 ай бұрын
Can it shoot log on an iPhone 14 Pro Max? If it can't, it sounds like a lot of those creative options won't be available.
@initialfocus
2 ай бұрын
No log on 14. It still has the LUTs which are optimized for a Rec709 space for devices without LOG
@murasakistudio
2 ай бұрын
@@initialfocus Thank you for the clarification.
@lumixS5M2
3 ай бұрын
What do you use as remote shutter button or handle?
@pdcorlis
3 ай бұрын
I appreciate their concept bringing the most crucial controls to the user and then automating the rest. Really loving their take on applying LUTs too. A worthy first effort. Now let’s see what Apple gives us in the FCP Camera app.
@Kiwireels
3 ай бұрын
Aa mentioned a few times already, the big market is Android. And also blackmagic is free ( thats a no brainer of course) and it doubds like they will hit th3 Android Market soon. As a film maker I like to frame my ideal shots before setting up my rig so a phone app really helps
@charliesaigon
3 ай бұрын
Learned a lot from this, thanks. Definitely see a place for this. Here is one for the con's list. Does not work with Bluetooth triggers for start/stop recording
@normansavigar
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the review, which I felt was very balanced. I agree with your assessment on how Kino's been positioned wrt BMCamera app. I've not be able to import .cube LUTs, such as TheOneLUT, from iPhone Files but that might be my misunderstanding of how the 'Settings/Grades/Import from Files' feature is meant to work.
@johnmatychuk7474
3 ай бұрын
How does this work with an iPhone 14 Pro? Would I be missing out if I don't have the 15?
@initialfocus
3 ай бұрын
14 doesn’t have AppleLOG so you’d miss out on those specific grades.
@simonharper8978
3 ай бұрын
Great review. Very watchable too Michael.
@mattpali8854
3 ай бұрын
Can you please do a camera app comparison of kino and the Final Cut camera app please. 🙏
@initialfocus
3 ай бұрын
In the works 👍🏼
@mattpali8854
3 ай бұрын
@@initialfocus legend. all over it 👌
@emanuelmcfail
3 ай бұрын
Basically it’s good for doing something quick for social media. Lol
@skymakai
3 ай бұрын
I don't want "instant grades" that I can't apply in post. If I'm filming in Log, I want the flexibility to apply adjustments, then the grade.
@halidecamera
3 ай бұрын
we let you do that, too.
@skymakai
3 ай бұрын
@@halidecamera Do you provide the grades as LUTs? Or do you restrict the grades to being applied in app?
@iPhone-Cinematograhy
3 ай бұрын
Very interesting... thank's for the in-depth review. Based on your findings, I going to buy it.
@WasabiNoise
3 ай бұрын
Great review, you made a great job trying to find the right balance (not easy based on my own experience making reviews). As you said, I think I will use this app to quickly record stuff, and keep using Blackmagic for videos I want to have all the control I can. It's kind of a replacement of the native iPhone camera app for me. Cheers!
@dixter1652
3 ай бұрын
not sure I understand why this costs any money at all.... why do you need anything more than the BM app and the built in Apple App.... I see no value at all for the Kino App... sorry...
@jnnx
3 ай бұрын
9:41 He told you very plainly, “This is meant for everyone to be able to get cinematic images, QUICKLY”
@dixter1652
3 ай бұрын
@@jnnx I didn't know that the other apps work SLOWER to get cinematic images...
@mr.denoli7749
3 ай бұрын
Where are the video samples? What do we get at the end? What do we pay $20 for? A lot of words in 16 minutes. In the advert, the tics are talking.
@daviddrew7624
3 ай бұрын
Were is this app available?
@5timesm
3 ай бұрын
Seriously? Read the text below the video?
@daviddrew7624
3 ай бұрын
@@5timesm seriously it's just for crappy fucking iphones
@5timesm
3 ай бұрын
@@daviddrew7624 you asked „ where“…. not „ what for“….
@sebastiandammark6612
3 ай бұрын
Too bad that the app can't access earlier recordings, when the external storage has been disconnected. Blackmagic has no problem doing this. This means that if you're gonna use any of the included LUTs, you have to apply them in the recording, or right after the recording. Once the storage has been disconnected you only have the raw recording.
@KrakerProd
3 ай бұрын
We all need this app for android phone
@Ishai1
3 ай бұрын
If it comes to Android it will take some time. BMD's app is still months away (at least that's what they said at NAB) and they have more resources.
@AndrewCCM
3 ай бұрын
Hopefully, when it does it won’t constantly crash.
@KIX_4RM_CHRIS
3 ай бұрын
Dam, so i have to have a 15 to get the rest of the color grades? Im using a 14 pro max and i only have the first 7 grades.
@pdcorlis
3 ай бұрын
That’s because the 14 can’t record Apple LOG…
@Skipp28TN
3 ай бұрын
The issue w any of these beast type are pricey for 1 gen of phones
@mdxzao
3 ай бұрын
the only thing I keep thinking is "ok, how long until they turn this app into a subscription based app?".. lol, cuz it's pretty much the inescapable fate of all thing nowadays
@marcinpietrowski8775
3 ай бұрын
I wish iphone 14 pro max had apple log :(
@graphguy
3 ай бұрын
Beta product that you can't try out for free and instead have to pay $10 (early release) when Black Magic is free. Stupid marketing.
@halidecamera
3 ай бұрын
Hardly a beta, we would argue, when there's a lot of value even in just the presets. But you are right - there's other apps that are free, so if it's not to your liking those are great options :)
@BobAnders5134
3 ай бұрын
@@halidecamera I'm sorry, but it's certainly not ready for professional or even high-level amateur use. It can't handle many LUTs, and switching to a high frame rate causes it to grind to a halt.
@innatemusic
3 ай бұрын
What up, man!! Thanks for this update. Working late again, I see.
@initialfocus
3 ай бұрын
Always! When the kids go down it’s time to work 😂
@provoking3449
3 ай бұрын
Android Love?
@markjob6354
3 ай бұрын
*Why is there nothing like this for Android Phones ? Why the hell does everything come out for iPhone ONLY !!! iPhones are 4K. My Android is 8K !!! Why swim in a creek, when you can swim in an Ocean ?*
@SgtTom
3 ай бұрын
Funny. Word Kino means cinema theater in polish language.
@hughesy606
3 ай бұрын
So not actually for everyone then.
@artemvi
3 ай бұрын
Same developers as Halide? They’ll switch to subscription with the same lame excuses as filmic. No, thank you
@eMotionFlowing
3 ай бұрын
No i can use these apps without any subscription.
@AndrewCCM
3 ай бұрын
@@eMotionFlowing But for how long?
@skymakai
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, that switch was disappointing.
@halidecamera
3 ай бұрын
After that switch, everyone who’d bought the app not only got the v2 for free but also 2 years of upgrades *and* gets to, of course, use and keep that app forever. I think that’s a pretty good deal :)
@artemvi
3 ай бұрын
@@halidecamera thanks for your reply! Imagine coming home and seeing that you need to pay for your car parked on your own driveway. And a bit more if it's a truck. Of course the penalty will be introduced if there is no parked car as pavement degraded quicker under direct sun light and rain. The fridge also will charge you per can of soda cooled. And it will be a subscription for amount of openings of fridge's door. All the locks in the house are free to use with a single key only. Each additional key service must be purchased as subscription. The TV will be able to switch HDMI inputs for free only twice a day after that $3.99/month but not more than 12 switches per day. Umbrellas will also be forced to close after consecutive use within rainy weather of 10 minutes. Subscribe for $9.99 for 10 hours of rainy usage per month and get unlimited use during sunny days for free.
@MattMarcio
3 ай бұрын
Noooo not another Iphone app 😕
@tumskyful
3 ай бұрын
"For everyone!" (Who has an iPhone...)
@babafemiadigun6617
3 ай бұрын
Nothing special in the app for the price tag when Blackmagic is free and Final Cut camera will be free too. So why should anyone pay $9 or $20 for it.
@richardstirling5799
3 ай бұрын
No talk about audio controls - nobody talks about audio control in these apps … don’t care about luts
@initialfocus
3 ай бұрын
I literally said “there are no advanced audio controls. You either use the iPhone mic or plug in an external and it will choose that one”. Simple as that
@tanqueraylocc
3 ай бұрын
No app is better than Blackmagic Camera unless its also free!
@eMotionFlowing
3 ай бұрын
Much better than Back Magic App 👌🏼
@BarbaSouEu
3 ай бұрын
you kidding right?
@thatprcrawlerguy187
3 ай бұрын
Black magic all the way. FOR FREE!!!!
@SANDERVANDERVEEN_
3 ай бұрын
Not for everyone, only Apple..?
@karainer
3 ай бұрын
Discount is only for US customers. In Europe its 22.99 EUR! 👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼
@TomQsTechTips
3 ай бұрын
One day after this video it is $19.99 in the US, so maybe it’s regularly $39.99?
@HeyWorld-o8j
3 ай бұрын
Only fora shortwhile.
@Ninjutsu2K
3 ай бұрын
Seventy percent of the world use android, and the rest if from all 0tuers big company, and today's day still people who releases a exclusivity app just for apple devices, unbelieved, even Blackmagic Design is releasing soon Blackmagic Camera for Android, and this Kino instead for think ahead make the same dumb decision to released just for apple.
@KUBEBARZ
3 ай бұрын
They don't because a lot of Android users are no going to pay for it and are going to download the Illegal APK so to get it for free.... so companies do it first to Apple because everyone who get it will pay. So Android users are in part responsible for this to happen.
@Ninjutsu2K
3 ай бұрын
@@KUBEBARZ Nice, then android users just wait to get if free from Blackmagic Design in short time.
@KUBEBARZ
3 ай бұрын
@@Ninjutsu2K Yes.. or use the thousand for free Apps Android user have.
@charliesaigon
3 ай бұрын
Yes and 70% of those Android phones are ultra basic. Apple to oranges... or lemons in this case.
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