Hay Chronicles as many of my audience have reminded me from our KTM500 build, and they've backed with comprehensive youtube videos, it does have a cush, it's in the clutch basket. Don't feel too bad, you're in good company, I didn't know either.
@chroniclesofsolid
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info mate will pin this up 👍
@hadrianhaine5204
2 жыл бұрын
Yes but have it at the hub too wouldn't be a bad thing
@dualsportscandinavia353
Жыл бұрын
@MAD TV @COS @Hadrian Haine A new blank DS-canvas 2023. 690/701 Enduro are ace but bugger top/heavy. DS riders want WR450F, CR450L, 500 EXC, FE501 w. single cylinder engines + long service diary aka The Unicorn! Who will release it first? If not , let AI calculate and exhibit it at Eicma -22.
@eugenelane3291
Жыл бұрын
The dampers in the clutch are not even 10% of a cush drive and the stock ones wear out quikly. Every one replaces them with Recluse dampers which are more durable
@kovrcek
6 ай бұрын
cush drive shouldn't be needed if you are not supermotoing your 500. enduro tyres will lessen the stress very much
@pietergrobbelaar2638
2 жыл бұрын
I own a 2021 KTM 500 exc. It have 511 hours and almost 21000km on the clock. Never had a problem with it. I change the oil every 30 hours and check the valve clearace every 100 hours. Never needed any adjustments and is still in specs. I use the bike on the farm and ocasional fun duros. Love it!
@C_R_O_M________
2 жыл бұрын
Wow! That’s a lot of ridding for 1 year! Thanks for the comment. My 2012 is a great bike. Bought it used and avoided the ridiculous new bike premium the KTM asks (a very rich guy paid for that and he maintained the bike perfectly up to the 180hr point when I got it). I’m going to take him for a ride today (not the previous owner…;) ).
@maximcorbett2430
Жыл бұрын
you do oil changes every 30 hours?...... i do oil changes on my 2023 every 5 hours dude. the most i would ever ever ever push the bike is 15 hours before oil change
@ogasi1798
Жыл бұрын
@@maximcorbett2430 5 hours? i can't even get back to the car and trailer in less than 10 , hahaha i am sorry but no bro, calling you on that one. no you don't
@maximcorbett2430
Жыл бұрын
@@ogasi1798 yet I do 😂😂😂 I ride streets only too
@kovrcek
6 ай бұрын
@@maximcorbett2430that's super overkill for street use, but if you enjoy changing your oil more than riding then all power to you 😂
@glossblack1098
2 жыл бұрын
I own a Husky FE 501 and would not change a thing. You can make this bike into whatever you like with a few minor mods and different tyres / gearing. Your wish list for a D version would probably add too much weight IMO and it would end up being closer to a 690. Cheers
@gxm164
2 жыл бұрын
Had a 501 for a short stint. Too much vibrations. I hated every second behind the bars. Must be a personal thing because most owners I spoke with don't mind
@glossblack1098
2 жыл бұрын
@@gxm164 Yes it’s a personal thing. I never noticed any vibes. Others do. Newer models a bit smoother than the older ones. It’s not great on the highway but ok for an hour or less. Then when you get to the bush it really shines. Cheers
@dualsportscandinavia353
Жыл бұрын
@@gxm164 Supermoto youngsters install cush drive hub, flexbars ´n´ other riders install steering damper, rally tower on 501. Are the wheels balanced and steering+wheel bearings checked? For comparison, have you tried the CRF450L/RL?
@rfk76
2 жыл бұрын
Come on, Solid :) CRF300L with less than 8 liters od fuel weights 142kg. 701 Enduro with 13 lifers of fuel is 155kg. The bike you are talking about is 690/701 - 10k km service intervals, powerful single engine, reasonable electronics, good suspension. Wide range of modifications available. But I absolutely would love to see CRF500L/Rally with 10k km service intervals and good suspension. I would be on the line to buy one.
@dualsportscandinavia353
2 жыл бұрын
Wet weight: KTM 690 350.0 lbs (158.8 kg) Husqvarna 701 344.2 lbs (156.1 kg) Way too heavy uphill gnarly single track. Bloody ripper- Would aslo buy a futuristic Paris-Dakar Honda CRF500+650L Rally or a modern XR aka Baja1000 racer based on the Honda concept bikes CB125X and Honda CB125M with a 500cc+650cc single cylinder engine. Flyweight, long service intervals and with single cylinder engines ツ
@dualsportscandinavia353
Жыл бұрын
@@KevinDaken DR650SE from previous years that is still under warranty? Is the 2022 white Honda XR650L available in NZ? Honda CRF300L and CRF300L Rally. Some CRF300L riders install a smaller rally LED tower. Then there is the Kawasaki KLR650, Husqvarna 701 Enduro and KTM 690 Enduro R. A true dual sport: Suzuki DR-Z400E 2022 in stock! 400cc $9,995 + O.R.C
@dualsportscandinavia353
Жыл бұрын
@@KevinDaken But all pre 2021 Suzie DR650 can be driven without any abs-mods right?
@dualsportscandinavia353
Жыл бұрын
@@KevinDaken Eicma is just around the corner, but it doesn't look like there will be any lightweight 500cc-650cc with long service intervals. Base your next bike on how you ride e.g. 70/30 50/50 etc? The best advice is to test bikes at dealers. Don't know if Yamaha XT660Z Tenere Abs ever were sold in NZ. A new bike closest to DR650 with Abs would be: Kwak KLR 650 KTM 690 Enduro GAS GAS ES700 Enduro Husqvarna 701 Enduro
@erombalski
2 жыл бұрын
I bought a new 2021 KTM 500 EXC-F off the showroom floor. In my experience the last 17 months everything you said is spot on. This was my first KTM, having previously owned a brand new 2008 Yamaha WR450 and several other pre-owned Japanese makes/models so the service interval and cost of maintenance / parts on the KTM was a shock, to say the least. I've done the few obvious mods / add-ons to all the bikes I own. For maintenance, though, I usually just left everything to my local mechanic, who was was better at it, had better resources available, and got the jobs done in about half the time it would have taken me. I ride a lot of miles here in the southern California desert so the short KTM service intervals are magnified. Sending the bike to someone every other week is no longer feasible, due to expense and scheduling. With the EXC-F I'm back to doing it myself, but on a platform that's less forgiving, with tighter tolerances, more expensive parts with lover availability, and a bit more difficulty in finding correct technical and procedural information for the bigger jobs. My opinion after about 1.5 years of owning my first KTM? It's test bike I've ever owned. I do wish it could go longer between service intervals, and a touch wider ratio between a couple gears would be great. Other than that, it's the perfect platform IMO.
@hazcat640
2 жыл бұрын
Solid, Hate to burst yer bubble but it ain't happening, At all, by anybody. The T7 got made because Yamaha had the motor already. KTM has the motor(s) kinda but they are not in a position to modify them and expand the service network to make them viable. No talk of a 350-ish Yamaha because they don't have a motor that will work there and are not going to spend the money to develop one. Why, you ask? Because the UK is stopping all ICE 125 and under in 2030, Aus has stopped the DR coming in, the EU standards are expensive and as you noted kill the power you need. It's all part of the 'great reset'. Keep what you have and or get the one in production now that will serve cause they are all going away sooner than you think. Some will say I'm just spouting doom and gloom. I say it's simple observation of what is already happening.
@joshuasarfati5520
2 жыл бұрын
You'll own nothing and be happy
@lesstyranny2695
29 күн бұрын
I would love to disagree and debate this... but I can't. Unfortunately, I think you are spot on.
@ktmkevin
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Solid, just throwing it out there.. Fun fact: The F in EXC-F is for Four stroke. The older EXC models were two strokes. The E is for Enduro, the X for Cross and the C for country. So the bike you're describing would probably be a ADS-F 500. Adventure Dual Sport Four stroke? Sounds a bit lame though.. Might as well be a vacuum cleaner 😂
@hendofromthebush2450
2 жыл бұрын
Concepts bang on
@AkansasRIDER
Жыл бұрын
Actually you're incorrect. EXC vernacular was also used on 4strokes way back, including in 520EXC, 525EXC, 530EXC, and modern 500EXC's, never was just a 2stroke thing. Same for the 250, 350, 400, 450 variants over time.
@Hans_P
2 жыл бұрын
I love my Beta 500 RR-S. Bigger tank, DID Dirtstar cush drive wheels, Scotts dampner, Iso-vibe handlebar mounts, HDB handguards and Seat Concepts seat, Fastway kickstand, 4 LED headlight, resprung for 100 kg rider, etc. Amazing bike. Just dont ask how much I have in it!
@tainted1581
2 жыл бұрын
Does it come with the cush hub?
@fozrick
2 жыл бұрын
Im in a similar boat with my fe501 husky. Loads spent on mods and I love it. Like the video is proving it would be great if they came more ready for this out of the factory ! Ok sine mods maybe be personal choice. But for sure a longer 6th gear a bigger oil capacity and a stronger subframe for starters 👍
@bzrider29
2 жыл бұрын
These points are why I chose a crf 300 rally. It would be nice to have more power on road. But adventure riding I usually have gear on the bike anyway. So weight is not a huge issue . And the 70mpg is great for the range. And at 6500 us. It was a bargain
@mabecka
2 жыл бұрын
Yamaha WR450F with lower output, longer service intervals, rubber hub and blinkers would be nice.
@dualsportscandinavia353
2 жыл бұрын
Yamaha WR450-500R 😆
@dualsportscandinavia353
2 жыл бұрын
Spot on! Very interesting survey. There is already a "dualsport" model of the KTM 500 Exc on the American market, which is set up to be ridden more generally as a "dualsport". KTM could further develop the dualsport concept with longevity that you are into and sell it to more parts of the world. It would be the DRZ400S/XR650L of the future and completely dominate the market because there is nothing like it. In comparison, what would the KTM 490 Enduro R with the 450 twin engine from CF Moto weigh though?
@BigMuz83
2 жыл бұрын
I've built my own exc adventure taking a lot of inspiration from rtw Paul and it is an amazing little machine. Sadly I don't think KTM or any other big manufacturer will do this anytime soon because: A. Emissions, B. Price and C. Demand. AJP is just about the closest but its a bit heavy and no real dealer network. Based on no evidence just a hunch maybe triumph might be the one to surprise us all..
@robertrscott
2 жыл бұрын
KTM builds high performance bikes, I'd hate to see them dumb them down as it doesn't seem to fit their Motto! To me it seems a better build for kawasaki, suzuki, yamaha or honda as its a better fit. Great Video anyway!
@madfrosty5228
2 жыл бұрын
Add more oil capacity = more weight Make components stronger = more weight Add subframe = more weight Bigger fuel tank = more weight Better seat = more weight …..,.the list goes on + all of this costs more money . People have been asking for the unicorn from the beginning of the time and manufacturers have looked in to this trust me . People will not pay the price it’s simple as that and the dual sport bikes like the 690 are as close as you will ever come to what you want . Improve your riding skills stop complaining about the bikes . Why do you think that the Dual sport bikes are “heavy “ ? Do you really think that the manufacturers want to waste expansive materials and parts just to upset you all ? There is downside to ultra light weight machines like this , less material means less life , less oil means more oil changes it’s really that simple .
@jsv812
2 жыл бұрын
You also need a larger battery and a significantly larger alternator - both of which add significant weight.
@ktmtravels3727
Жыл бұрын
Lithium/LED?
@max.fleming1045
2 жыл бұрын
My big unanswered question is, where's the CRF 450 Rally?.
@chroniclesofsolid
2 жыл бұрын
We’re going backwards here. The 450L is now discontinued in oz 😢
@M1K3R0LPH
2 жыл бұрын
@@chroniclesofsolid my CRF450L feels like the closest thing to a unicorn, but being in the UK, did have to shell out for an aftermarket ECU. I rode motocross last weekend and did get some funny looks but performed great, and was able to ride it home :)
@max.fleming1045
2 жыл бұрын
There must be some kind of corporate logic for not making the unicorn bike that millions of us want ?. Fantic nearly did it but with its questionable Chinese motor, almost nonexistent dealer network & just being to fat around the middle I can't bring myself to go there.
@dualsportscandinavia353
2 жыл бұрын
@@max.fleming1045 Your hardcore question with obvious examples: underpowered and bad suspension Honda CRF300L/300L Rally and heavy/top heavy Tenere 700. Why don't they become the ultralight 500-550cc omni sports machines that generations of riders worldwide demand....
@dualsportscandinavia353
2 жыл бұрын
@@max.fleming1045 You mentioned the Fantic XEF 450 Rally. Kayo and CF Moto can make dual sport bikes. KOVE Colove GPX 450 Rally kzitem.infos98A94DOnGY?feature=share
@williamhudson3208
2 жыл бұрын
Here here to the CRF 450 Rally.
@jasonbell114
2 жыл бұрын
A budget friendly ktm 450 rally replica would be sweet . Say 25k -30k instead off 50k 🙏 also the ajp pr7 looks to be a good thing
@Cycle9568
2 жыл бұрын
A Rally lite would be awesome! Some wind protection, Cush drive, 4 gallons of gas, 6th overdrive, and a little beefier subframe
@leep814
2 жыл бұрын
I think the 690 is close, but the seat height is still very high and it's on the heavy side.
@dualsportscandinavia353
2 жыл бұрын
Way too "top heavy" and heavy uphill and gnarly single track. Wet weight: KTM 690 350.0 lbs (158.8 kg) Husqvarna 701 344.2 lbs (156.1 kg).Wonder what KTM 490 Enduro with 450 twin engine from Cf moto will weight though
@stephenmitchum5864
2 жыл бұрын
I own a Honda 450 L and a Husq EF501 S. Unfortunately with the exception of more oil all you are suggesting is a KTK 450L. The biggest advantage that the KTM EXC and FES have over the L is weight and all you are doing is add weight with your suggestions.
@easy4steve
2 жыл бұрын
i would vote KTM , as i ride KTM and find it well made ready to go , sure its pricey ,but its really all we have left , as my 390 adventure is no where a duel sport bike , but i find my needs are not really met , as my true off road is my 2011 ktm 250 exc 2 banger , which is great off road but not so good on road . what do we do? any way i just get out and ride . at 63 time is running out .great channel cheers Steve/Geraldton
@mikemazulo3820
10 ай бұрын
I agree with your list. I love my 350exc-f but what would't I give for KTM to include a 5lbs subframe part way down the rear fender for a tail luggage or to firm up that floppy mess.
@MOEMUGGY
2 жыл бұрын
For $16,000, I'll just buy another CRF300 to pull my first one around, and still have money left over for beer and petrol.
@paulx4692
2 жыл бұрын
Seriously, comparing a 500 excf to a crf300? You might as well compare it to a bicycle - then you wouldn't need the petrol and there's even more left over for the beer!
@MOEMUGGY
2 жыл бұрын
@@paulx4692 Okay, I'll just buy another WR450 to pull my first one around, and still have enough left over for beer. Are you trying to say your 500 excf is 3X's faster in the woods? Jump 3X's higher? hop logs 3X's the size?.. Does it do ANYTHING 3X's better? Or, it just needs 3X's the service, at 3X's the cost?
@C_R_O_M________
2 жыл бұрын
@@MOEMUGGY not if you buy used a properly maintained bike as I did with my 180h 2012 500 a few years ago. The bike is great, it has 1.5l oil capacity from the factory (up to 2016 models) and doesn’t have any of the emissions crap the newer bikes come with. It also has a kickstarter that the new ones don’t. Bought it for €5.5K or about $6k at the time.
@MOEMUGGY
2 жыл бұрын
@@C_R_O_M________ We're not talking about used, are we? And your decades old used KTM with more than half it's life gone that was probably abused and serviced by a knuckle-dragger, still cost as much as a new CRF300
@C_R_O_M________
2 жыл бұрын
@@MOEMUGGY wow! You got everything figured out don’t you! I know the “knuckle dragger” that was servicing the bike till new. He’s one of the best KTM authorized mechanics and dealers in Greece and if you want to compare the CRF300 with the EXC-500 be my guest but you’ll be comparing apples to watermelons. If you asked me only fools pay the premium full price when a very well used costs half that or less. BTW, even if my motor quits and it doesn’t seem to do so, $1500 buys me a new motor and I’ll be having a bike that runs circles around the 300CRF - which - BTW doesn’t fit me. It’s too small for me.
@tonyvancauwenberghe3171
2 жыл бұрын
What about the crf rally? It is dual sport? Is nothing close to the 500 for performance but still dual sport.. ?
@dualsportscandinavia353
Жыл бұрын
Bloody ripper! CRF450L/RL w. engine swap to single cylinder with long service intervals. But reckon China will probably be first...
@scottrussell6646
2 жыл бұрын
You're spot on with this video. I refuse to service a bike like the KTM 500exc requires. And for the price it costs. Like your CRF300L, my Drz vs the KTM will comparatively almost never require valve adjustments. And will certainly never require a top end rebuild, given regular oil changes. And so if KTM 500 had a machine I didn't have to work on, I may would buy it. But the KTM 500 is not worth the premium price to me given the service it requires. I would consider a KTM 500 that requires no more service intervals than the DRZ.
@davidpoffenbarger3686
2 ай бұрын
I've never owned a bike that I didn't have to customize to suit me. I've been riding my KTM 500exc for a couple years now and riding my Africa Twin for adventure stuff. I'm over hustling a 550 lbs pig off-road and converting my 500exc into my adv bike. Yes, everything negative you say about it is true, but not insurmountable. My first trip on it is coming up soon but shake down rides make me optimistic about it. I already like it better than my DRZ400. Basically, I see the bike as a clean state for you to build it into your perfect ride!
@billcotton1551
2 жыл бұрын
My mind is blown by the rider on the KTM footage!
@donluc007
2 жыл бұрын
10000% correct - no one really offers a 500cc long rage intervals!!!
@jeffpaine4902
2 ай бұрын
Im hoping that purchasing a 2023 ktm 450xcfw with a bare bones street legal kit get's close to the ideal dual sport at least for my type of riding... around town, fire roads, mountain trails, etc.
@adamrichards2072
2 жыл бұрын
I'd say ktm already make this bike in the 690 enduro. A bit heavier, yeah, but nothing outlandish for a dual sport.
@Bikesbikesbikes500
Жыл бұрын
I have a 701 and recently my mate on an exc500 and I both dropped our loaded bikes on a loose steep climb. He picked the exc up and rode off. I struggled for 20 minutes with the extra weight
@DavidSmith-ph7ik
2 ай бұрын
It's obviously still too heavy, otherwise people wouldn't build the 500 to a adventure bike
@algee8228
2 жыл бұрын
Waiting for the 390 Enduro R, I'll be the first on my block to have one! It will be heavier, but the engine longevity will significantly exceed anything they could do with the 500...its just too performance-oriented to be made into something with true DS longevity. That said I do believe the EXC-F's can last a long time when used mildly, but nothing like a more purpose-built DS engine based on a street/ADV engine.
@MattMathieu25
2 жыл бұрын
I’m really torn between this bike and the KTM 690. I am 32. Raced motocross for most of my life, but right now my only bike is a GSXR 750. I want to sell it and get a dual sport. The 690 is awesome, but I’m starting to think I would like the lighter weight and more powerful 500.
@purebloodheretic4682
4 ай бұрын
The Goldilocks of Road Sports Bikes👌 I've quite owned quite a few Gixxer 750's & 1100's & still have the 1985 GSXr750 the Real OG of 'Modern' Sports Bikes! - If you want a Budget Allround Road Trail Enduro bike - Have a look into the Old KTM 525exc 'RFS' if you can find a Low Hr 525 you can't go wrong! They are very reliable & have Screw valve adjustment - Austrian Built & Heaps of Powa! 💪
@JoshDurston
2 жыл бұрын
Spot on, go with single motor option maybe a 430-480 to differentiate a bit from the 500, With the reduced power for increased service intervals I don't think the 350 would make sense anymore. Use the 500 crank stroke but reduce the bore a bit to keep the upper cylinder piston skirt wear forces down. A 40+hp high performance dual sport with reasonable service intervals would be killer. As a WR250R owner, I feel like there isn't an obvious upgrade. I'm mostly ok with the suspension, but the bike is heavy and as you gain experience could use some more power, both for fun and to be able to gear up 6th to bring the highway revs/noise/vibs down.
@danielcarlier9143
Жыл бұрын
Nicely argued and positively initiated a useful brainstorming on that topic, I'm one of those (probably many? ) in fever of a such a EXC D , thank you !
@guymiller2842
6 ай бұрын
Amen!!! Well said! With this premium price I dont want to pay more ether. Same thing with Harley Davidson!! Over price for what you get… then spend thousands more to make the bike right…. Just ain’t right !
@william6815
Жыл бұрын
I have a KTM 350 excf Wess edition and it’s such an amazing bike I ride single trail most times but have been doing a lot of rode riding and it’s absolutely fantastic
@niceguyrides
2 жыл бұрын
You just described the 450RL, and people aren’t buying them. The ergos aren’t set up for adventure… someone… Honda cough cough… needs to make a baby Africa Twin, or a real 450L… made ground up for adventure..
@dualsportscandinavia353
2 жыл бұрын
Hell yes!! Honda CRF450-500L Rally, lightweight Paris-Dakar lowtech Honda CRF500L and CRF650L Africa Twin, or a new really light offroad aggressive adv dualsport 500-550cc Transalp / Dominator. Based on designs from CRF450L, Africa Twin enduro sports or even better based on the Honda CB125X and CB125M concept bikes.
@gordonborsboom7460
2 жыл бұрын
D for Diesel?
@JinKazama92
4 ай бұрын
All those things you ask for will only bring the price up of the bike. That's why it's better they sell it as bare bones as it gets off the showroom floor and leave it to the owner to improve it with aftermarket parts.
@five-eyes666
Жыл бұрын
I have a KTM 500EXC-F 6 Days and the KTM 1290 SAR, both epic bikes. KTM have the DAKAR ready 450cc replica, why add another bike?
@davidc1961utube
2 жыл бұрын
A larger case to store more oil is totally possible, but a taller 6th gear is well past bolt-on. I doubt the 490/501 will ever be more than a dedicated enduro bike in stock trim, but I do have hopes for the new twin cylinder 500cc bikes. KTM-Husky would have had the time to tune bikes in development towards current market interest. Hopefully they were listening. Keep up the good work, and keep preaching! Your ideal DS bike is pretty much identical to mine.
@dualsportscandinavia353
Жыл бұрын
@David Clark Jim Pettitt And also identical to ours! Imagine a 501 dual sport bike with engine swap from a 701 Enduro. Or a detuned lc4 601 cc for more low end grunt. A DS-rider did a engine swap on his WR450F to a Honda CB450, another WR450F rider installed an FZ-07. Some Honda CRF250L riders have installed engines from the CB500F, CB500R, CB500X. IOO these riders should instead have installed thumpers from Honda XR series , Yamaha TT and XT series. Chinese manufacturers are advancing big time. CF Moto and Fantic could easily develop a lightweight 500-600cc Baja 1000 racer and a Rally bike based on their one cylinder engines with long service intervals.
@jamesfairmind2247
2 жыл бұрын
Re oil changes apart from bringing the capacity up to 1.4 to 1.5 L the most important mod is to add a THIRD oil scrapper ring to the piston. It is only missing to help reduce friction a little because race bikes get an oil change anyway after every race, but that ALONE is the reason why carbon gets into the oil and destroys it quicker than a road bike. No need to reduce power on an adventure version of the 500, because the 690 actually makes very slightly more BHP (PER CC) than the 500 in reality (in reality, a standard 500 does NOT produce 60 BHP most produce around 52 BHP as standard where as a bog standard 690 DOES produce 74BHP so both are roughly in the same 100 BHP per litre output) and yet the 690 only has a very small oil capacity of 1.7 L which was actually LESS than the 2016 model 500 had (PER CC) at 1.5L. But despite this the 690 has 10,000 km oil changes. No it is the extra THIRD RING that would make all the difference, an easy mod and BTW if you look around you can buy replacement 3 ring pistons for sale.
@C_R_O_M________
2 жыл бұрын
Up to the 2016 500 EXC model (2012-2016) the oil capacity IS actually 1.5 liters…I have a 2012 model. They also have a kickstarter which the newer ones don’t. They are also without the emissions crap of the newer models and are close to 60hp on the crank 50-52 rwhp which, believe me, it’s plenty enough for a 113kg bike.
@johnawoest
2 жыл бұрын
They can ad the rally tower with the rolling book, just the plastics and screen. Slightly bigger tank and your mods. Perfect ds
@zanenail3329
Жыл бұрын
500 exc-f owner 2023 model. I would not change anything because I think it is lacking I am adding a few parts to help aid me in doing what I want with the bike. The way it comes it it so much more than the majority of riders will every use and will do anything you ask of it. So to make all these changes would just be creating a New Bike all together when there are so many choices on the market that would fit your bill of goodies your looking for. If you want a custom bike it costs trust me. SO why change the King and make him a peasant. Keep it up KTM the 500 rocks just as is!
@brycecampbell4845
2 жыл бұрын
Check out Taco Moto Co. In the US they use top quality oil and then an oil filter that filters out particles down to 1 micron and their desert racers change oil at 30,40 even 50 hours and the oil is tested and at that point under those conditions it's well within the limits no damage to their bikes. That is a game changer. Also, you can increase oil capacity slightly I've heard but it takes a new Larger cap. I would say if you did all that 50-60 ++ hours should be possible especially if you aren't racing full bore through a desert...
@davidj9977
Жыл бұрын
(a) "F" stands for 4-stroke in KTM, so it would be the DXC-F, not the EXC-D. (b) The EXCF has a cush-drive inside the clutch (c) reports are decent for tame-riding running 1k-2k mile oil change intervals (d) a metal luggage rack (like from Globetrottin) can provide some rear reinforcement for luggage.
@jimpettitt3229
2 жыл бұрын
Great content mate totally agree the opportunity is right there 👍 the demand is there. We need torque more than horsepower but I think 50 hp 50 nm is a magic recipe would have to be heavier to carry some gear and to last abuse I'd go a Yamaha WR 660R adventure would be a awesome pick modern suspension the 660r engine tweaked for more power as they are reliable love something like that 😉 . Made for adventure lighter than the T7 Maybe even sacrifice some reliability for full power take on KTM. Stuff making piano's and violins 😆 🤣 lol
@WillPower46
Жыл бұрын
A point you never touch on with dual sports which is their real weakness no matter how great the suspension, engine and everything else is on the bike is tyres hold them back. You see I have crf300l with every convievable extra, I have no doubt that I have reached the limit of what is possible with this bike while retaining the stock engine and chasis. Yet when I want to go off road for anything more than gravel and easy-ish single track I take my KX250X because no matter how good the crf300l is a dual sport with tyres like the MT21s is nowhere near as fun as a cross country race bike. So yeah the 500 exc-f is awesome but a road legal knobby is shit on the road and not as good off road as a good dirt tyre. Thats why a bike like a crf300l makes sense because its cheap and a super expensive ktm that is not as good as true off road bike, off road and only slighter better on gravel than a crf300l due to traction or lack there of is the KTMs achilles heal.
@juliocvelez1
2 жыл бұрын
I ride an 06 525 with simple engine mods, tuned lectron carb, and I make the current 500’s look like 350’s. I ride for fun and I’m happy with my older bike.
@stevecarmack6267
Жыл бұрын
Love the idea. And, I agree with your assessment on the 690. Thinking of selling mine in favor of the 500
@keithjob
2 жыл бұрын
500EXC for sure. Bigger tank, softer seat, another 500ml oil capacity, better subframe, small screen. Done.
@dualsportscandinavia353
2 жыл бұрын
And cush drive hub. Have you heard about the 500 Exc model that is sold in the USA apparently marketed as "dual sport", unlike the model in Europe and maybe more countries, which is more of an enduro version. In the USA the 500 Exc has lower compression, throttled differently and made to be driven more generally (dual sport)
@zenokoo8882
Жыл бұрын
i mean to me the 500 has always been a big enduro, never thought of it as a dual sport... because if KTM wanted to make a dual sport they'd have made a new 450 rally, at least i think
@chrispewkreme
Жыл бұрын
My first bike was a Sur Ron and I absolutely loved it. I then got a WR250R. The WR is just so damn slow, off road it's fun but never quite scared me or made me giggle. But on long rides, it struggles. A YZ250, puts the smile on my face. But it isn't street legal and is almost kinda scary off road. It's also a bike that sits at home just waiting to be loaded into my truck and ridden. a KTM 500 could just be ridden. I'd probably load in my truck for some off road stuff. But many of my off road adventures are spur of the moment and just for fun. Yamaha: cmon now. Make a WR450R. Or WR500R. All I want is a fuel injected 450/500 that's fairly lightweight and street legal. And before someone says to just plate a YZ450FX, it's not legal where I live.
@MattPerry
10 ай бұрын
the most easy way was to bring back on the XR 650r with electric start another way is to build a DRz 600 with 50 horsepower or a Yamaha TT600 with 50 horsepower or a new KLX 600 with 55 horsepower but I would like the easiest way that is Bring Back the XR650 R with an electric start, my second option is a brand new DRZ 650 with 60 horsepower this is my point of view but to tell you the truth I will be fine with the KTM 690 as long it will bring me no mechanical issues despite being expensive .
@SeasonalTherapy
2 жыл бұрын
Took the actual words out of my mouth! 👏 I absolutely agree with your ideas 💡.. have gone back and forward with what to buy for a light adventure bike, and always take the 500 which does it all with ease.
@Shepherdservices317
8 ай бұрын
Hmm you should have mentioned the 500 exc-f that we have kn the states. It's very corked up, comes with signals and is a dual sport bike. No one ever calls it an Enduro bike, and I don't think any one buys them for Enduro here at all. I have one iv made into a supermoto, and ya they say everything about intervals but I have like 500hrs and it's on stock everything. Though may be time for a top end rebuild soon
@cavscout62
9 ай бұрын
Not to mention Plenty of shop time.Every one of their bike’s I’ve had has been a shop queen.
@dg1019
2 жыл бұрын
So the issue is the transmission and the engine cases. True DS trannys are much more robust and of course the bigger cases allow more oil. If you laid out the parts from a EXC transmission and say DRZ you would see what I'm talking about. Now is there some happy medium between the two. Yes possibly but its going to take a total redesign of the engine and its going to gain some weight. There is just no getting around the physics of that.
@waadventure
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Solid, loving the content, not available here in Australia but what about the Husqvarna 501s?
@royjmcc7
2 жыл бұрын
Yamaha! They could make the WR450DS and it would sell tons!
@dualsportscandinavia353
2 жыл бұрын
Some lightweight and offroad aggressive Yamaha WR450-500R and Tenere 500-550 Tenere T5 🛵
@yorkchris10
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, a retuned version might be a good progression for some.
@mhilde7744
Жыл бұрын
You absolutely positively RIGHT. They blew it
@KUKI_de
2 жыл бұрын
Nice Video 🔥 Thumbs up and keep it up!
@Aubatron
4 ай бұрын
Personally, I think the CRF450RL is the best option, but it is still a lot heavier than I'd like it to be. 289lbs.
@chroniclesofsolid
4 ай бұрын
I came very close to buying one in 2019.
@Jpfreefly99
2 жыл бұрын
hi. Enjoyed the video & it was very helpful as I’m currently saving $ towards a exc-f. However I wanted to do a supermoto build with it. Now I’m thinking what about the xcf-w? Or last is there a husky bike you could recommend more?
@dualsportscandinavia353
Жыл бұрын
New or used aka already equipped? No WR450F (or YZ450FX?) Are you planning on installing flex handlebar and steering damper?
@madfrosty5228
2 жыл бұрын
CCM GP 450 was almost perfect but I did not sell enough why ?
@hilti503
Жыл бұрын
You are right with your mods. Also better seat and few more litres in tank capasity. Thats it…
@gabrielkopp2036
Жыл бұрын
How often do these need top end rebuilds?
@jamescantlin1072
Жыл бұрын
I did just bought a 23 and to me worth every penny
@clivedarwell5732
2 жыл бұрын
Let's hope it happens - I think your emissions argument is reasonable tho may be a bit of a slow burner (honk!). Alternatively, AJP seem like a robust company who are not going anywhere. They also seem to take responsibility for getting parts to people (apparently include a generic part numbers document e.g. for the engine) in Europe at least. 165kg fully liquided so probably not great for you and I hear the outside Europe experience is not great but what do you think of the PR7? People seem to run it fine on 10000km valve checks (rather than the 5k manual recommendation).
@r0464
2 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of KZitem content producers such as yourselves that are asking for the same thing. Why don’t you get together with them, combine to make a video to serve as an open letter/petition to the big four and ask all of your respective subscribers to sign it. I’m thinking the like of Everide, cross training enduro etc. Would be good to see what they say
@miker7851
2 жыл бұрын
As a 500 EXC-F owner I agree with your points except the 6th gear. Maybe you were thinking about the 350? I can drive comfortably with traffic on the highway and I don't feel like the engine is working hard. If you can handle the wind, 80+mph is nothing for this bike. I had a WR250R before and it was really topping out at 65-70. I have heard the 350 EXC-F is geared lower so maybe that's what you're basing this on. As for your other points, yeah I agree. The lack of a rear subframe really came to bite me this weekend as my aftermarket solution cracked and left me scrambling to find a work around. Doesn't seem like it would add much weight to extend the subframe out to the tail. As it is right now the tail bounces around silly.
@chroniclesofsolid
2 жыл бұрын
Yer, I had the 350 in my head. Forgot the 500 is quite well spread with the gears😝
@unknowncommonman
2 жыл бұрын
I wish to see that kind of Bike from Yamaha .
@scottaubrey8392
2 жыл бұрын
It’s not about having the right bike for the adventure…it’s about having enough adventure for the bike…people ride hard enduro on 700 twins…and others ride round the world on postie bikes…
@elliotjharris9908
2 жыл бұрын
Husky 501?
@kaytme5915
Жыл бұрын
You're CORRECT. BETA MOTOR OIL MAINTENANCE IS DOUBLE THAN the KTM's! 🙃🤪🤣 yeah! Mild steel subframe would be great extending all the way to the tail lights! & A 3.5 gallon gas tank too! Much lowered first gear and add another gear up top, yeas a seven speed gearbox!... With CUSHDRIVE
@kaytme5915
Жыл бұрын
By the way, I have both KTM 500 & 690! THE 500 IS THE BEST FOR ME.
@kaytme5915
Жыл бұрын
Oh! Forgot, lower the damn seat 3-4 inches!
@beaud9403
2 жыл бұрын
They make the 690 for everything you described :) great video
@dualsportscandinavia353
Жыл бұрын
690E,700 gas gas, 701 enduro r top/heavy! a 1 cylinder 490 Enduro R+ 501 Enduro `n`future follow up w.590 Enduro R + 601 Enduro ツ
@kozhedub27
2 жыл бұрын
ktm 690r? is a good dual sport?
@gxm164
2 жыл бұрын
For me, the vibrations from the 500 motor are too much for dual sporting. The thing is a paint shaker
@brycecampbell4845
2 жыл бұрын
6th gear a Highway gear Yes!! And 1st Gear needs to be shorter!! Also add oil and use better components and make it bulletproof like the Honda XR's...I'd take 10-15 extra pounds for that kind of benefit. Work on its ability to fjord deep water... warning if you go deep at all you will get water in the engine! 🤦♂️ I mean above 12" mine was that bad. I couldn't believe it. Start With Honda XR400 and take the good parts of it and add them to KTM. And # 1 is Reliability.
@erictavares678
2 жыл бұрын
so true!
@aarsenalfan
Жыл бұрын
Must have CRUISE CONTROL. 🤣👌
@brycecampbell4845
2 жыл бұрын
Keep the power add more oil I would take 5-10 more pounds for durability and less oil changes
@petermortimer3507
Жыл бұрын
Premium-dualsport is one of those weird word contradictions, like reality-television.
@TapioBlue
2 жыл бұрын
Sure would make KTM sweat less for their warranty claims with a D model.
@ogasi1798
Жыл бұрын
video proposes to take the best we have and make it heavier, carry more oil, add heavy engine parts so we don't have to spend 15 mins having a beer while changing oil, carry more stuff, add more tech, cost about 30% more all said and done - basically wreck the bike of the gods. No thanks mate - my 500 has done 6k miles in no time, amazing bike - it needs nothing , i have friends who have done what you propose and guess what? They aint happy in the majority of terrain we ride anymore - superb on long gravel and alp trips but they are once a year compared to our 2 x rides a week
@Captndarty
2 жыл бұрын
That is what the 690 is for. Build some strength and skill and the weight will disappear.
@dualsportscandinavia353
2 жыл бұрын
Way too top heavy and heavy weight for offroad uphill and gnarly single track. Wet weight KTM 690 350.0 lbs (158.8 kg) Husqvarna 701 344.2 lbs (156.1 kg). 690/701 and ES700 are based on a motard/supermoto. KTM 500 Exc and Honda CRF450L/RL are the closest to travel enduro and serious dual sport bikes. The lack of long service intervals means that many riders do not choose these. Wonder what the KTM 490 Enduro with 450 twin engine from CF moto will weigh though.
@Captndarty
2 жыл бұрын
@@dualsportscandinavia353 not to heavy at all for a large strong person. Hell I even single track an 1190R. After riding both those the 450-500 feels like an endemic underpowered bicycle.
@shieldsymusic
Жыл бұрын
Just buy a SWM500R and put a safari tank on it. 1.7L oil, alloy subframe. CR box though...
@gophop
2 жыл бұрын
Honda fucked it up by tweaking an MX engine into their overweight bike. They should've stuck with the street-oriented direction and made a power plant more fitting the lethargic chassis. 500-600cc, 1.5-1.7L of oil. 40-45HP. ADV riders don't want the 450RL because of the service. Enduro riders don't want it because it's a pig. Good going, team red.
@dualsportscandinavia353
Жыл бұрын
defo - hondo need to update their lineup fast with long range single in crf450rl 'n' drop some plated smokers to the mxenduro riders
@plantpower3048
Жыл бұрын
what do you think of the WR450F as a dual sport compared to this one? in NZ is road legal...
@qwertykeyboardwarrior
24 күн бұрын
you know you just want a 7 speed :)
@Tigerloco70
9 ай бұрын
Why all the workd skip the best of all the 450 and only speaks of the 500 and the 350? 450 it’s perfect 👍
@mortyoreilly
2 жыл бұрын
I suspect they are worried about that 500 engine lasting in view of the high mileages adventure bikes typically put on. Remember they backed out of supplying bikes to Long Way Round because they were scared their bikes wouldn’t make it.
@mikeisland7382
2 жыл бұрын
And sadly we an endless supply of overweight adventure pavement cruisers because of that decision.
@LightInnDmountain
2 жыл бұрын
In need of a unicorn Motorcycle 650cc or similar On road 100+ mph , off road capable Around 300lbs Less than $7.000 Preferably Japanese quality or similar and services dealers in town Abs or not, simple bright display and cluster buttons So basically a medium Honda African twin with less gadgets or upgrade Honda 500x of road capable or a ktm 500 adventure..I know lol 😂
@ZebSmithulon
Жыл бұрын
This is what the LC4 used to be.
@damolux3388
2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic suspension..........🤣
@brettstone6885
2 жыл бұрын
Get a 690/701 and go to the gym and gain a bit of strength. That might do the trick??/
@gerardandrew4820
2 жыл бұрын
To put it simple, Ktm should have used this engine in the 490 adventure, instead of having the problems they now have, and ending up with a expensive Chinese Ktm bike.
@BoulderMTBR
11 ай бұрын
I ride a 1290 SAR. It’s weight = infinity lbs. Outstanding fun on road. Great fun on dirt…to a point. My friend’s 690 weight = A LOT. Good on road, good on dirt. Excellent at neither. The under seat gas tank really messes with the center of gravity and makes power slides much more difficult than on any bike I have ever ridden. It is not light and nimble on the trail. The 500 exc-f weight = really heavy mountain bike. Super light, super fun. Not at all fun on pavement, but it gets you there. Buzzzzzzzy. All KTM suspension must be after market if your riding weight is over about 160. I have ridden the 1290, 1190, 990, 690, and 500 - all too soft. KTM mechanics at the Rally said 50 hour intervals are fine for typical riding. The 10 hour interval is because KTM is a shit company that doesn’t want to back up their product and can refuse any warranty claims if you CANNOT PROVE you followed the 10 hour service requirement. You will not be able to prove this to their satisfaction unless the service was done by a dealer by 9.99 hours😮
@Charlie-qb4sy
Жыл бұрын
its easier and cheaper to hop up the Honda crf450rl. you're just weight reduction and tune away.
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