You can expect this to happen on most cars with factory pads. One should expect this. You have to buy at least performance brake pads before you are going to hit the track. Edit After watching your tack video. Yea, you will have to wait for someone to make performance pads for the 3 to drive like that at the track. Thanks for posting. A great lesson for others. I hope you show them the track video when you ask for warranty replacement
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I did share the video and the articles with Tesla. They are 'fully aware' of my car. :-)
@bearlemley
6 жыл бұрын
Matt Crowley very cool
@derbigpr500
6 жыл бұрын
No, you can't. Any stock car I've ever driven on tracks (many, many, many rented cars on the Nurburgring), just regular cars, hatchbacks, sedans, estates, not sport models, literally regular cars, can handle track driving. The worst thing that happens in brake fade, but they don't freaking get chewed away. I've driven a BMW 318d (regular pads, base equipment) on the Nurburgring for an hour, had brake fade, after that used the car in daily driving for a couple of days ,zero issues, returned it, no problems.
@McRaeRSM
6 жыл бұрын
As you can read from the comment, this is a result of a compromise between the wear, and the need of full braking power with cold brake. An Electric car doesn't use friction brake during normal use, so the compound of the brake pads is soft. As you can see from video, they use Brembo material, not cheap "Chinese" brake pads. P.S. Nurburgring (and even Monza or Mugello) is less "demanding" for brake than winding race track. Due to the shape of the ring, a smooth race style is required, and also if there are some strong brake points, there is often a lot of time to cold them down. P.P.S sorry for my English.
@mattlane2282
6 жыл бұрын
Um, my 30 year old truck is on the original set of pads still... it has nothing to do with a "compromise" for cold performance... pro tip EVERY CAR IN EXISTENCE HAS COLD BRAKES WHEN YOU START DRIVING... stop making excuses for garbage 100k cars.
@tombodera3338
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for posting this. Greatly appreciated and really enjoyed the on track video too.
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@tawalters35
6 жыл бұрын
Matt, thanks for the view. I've put in over a thousand laps at Laguna. I usually had enough horse power, but I never had enough brakes. Stock brakes were just never made to do track duty. Did you boil the brake fluid? I got the biggest calipers I could, used racing brake pads and racing brake fluid. Now I use only carbon ceramic discs, etc. Have fun, go fast.
@poplaurentiu4148
6 жыл бұрын
How much costed you the carbon ceramic brakes for your Tesla 3 ? (or you installed those carbon ceramic brakes on different car ?)
@tawalters35
6 жыл бұрын
I have carbon ceramic on my Ferrari 458.
@poplaurentiu4148
6 жыл бұрын
Ohh.. ok i obviously thought differently.. but i saw for example to Porsche online configurator that if the optional Carbon Ceramic pack is selected it will cost the owner no less than extra 4000 euro.. i guess on Ferrari (because the brand are more expensive) but for example to get a full carbon ceramic set from Brembo to up-grade the Tesla 3 in this case would also cost no less than 4000 euro because it will change with the bigger calipers, slotted vented carbon discs and the special brake ceramic compound pads for each well.. and on top of that it must be properly & safely installed, (few grands more for that job too) so there it goes the affordable Tesla 3 price out of the door.. ;0)
@Balo1997
6 жыл бұрын
I think this may have happened because they are designed to need minimum braking. Most of the "braking" is done by the change of kinetic energy to electricity.
@derbigpr500
6 жыл бұрын
It is because Tesla is installing the cheapest and lowest quality possible components into their cars. That's why.
@jasper7126
6 жыл бұрын
derbigpr500 No thats because this is a lower budget car. Most cars will have this problem if theyre not specced for circuit racing. Im not a tesla fan, but if you try to shame them you should find a good argument this is just a load of shit. This will never influence youre daily driving and thats what the car is made for.
@ToumalRakesh
6 жыл бұрын
This. *thumbs up*
@mattlane2282
6 жыл бұрын
so if you have to panic stop a few times driving around you now need new brakes? Nope it's cause these cars are junk...
@Giggidygiggidy12
6 жыл бұрын
derbigpr500 that's BS Brembo designed the pad Tesla would have little to no incentive to spec low quality pass on such a heavy vehicle. More work for them, in the long run. You take MB or Audi on stock pass you will see the same result
@7spower998
6 жыл бұрын
Matt. The stock Brembo pads aren't designed for track used. You need to install a set of Brembo, Pagid, StopTech etc. racing pads.
@z00h
6 жыл бұрын
I love how you reinstalled the lug nut covers knowing that it's going to be serviced at tesla the following day.
@zolikoff
6 жыл бұрын
Gone in just 3 laps? That's very excessive wear even for a pad not designed for that. Maybe it was already quite worn before the track day? If not, I would worry about Teslas in an emergency braking situation on highways. This can't be from heating since pads take more heat than the discs... Did you experience brake fade in the first 3 laps before the pads went out?
@mattlane2282
6 жыл бұрын
Emergency braking on highway is just run into the vehicle... blame the driver...
@timmarsho7924
6 жыл бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you went through the effort to replace the springs...... with softer more cooshy road compliant bits. then didn't take then 30 seconds to pop in track pads? then took the car to film it at the track, timed laps, then show everyone what you did to the stock brakes like it's Tesla's bad choice in hardware.... again correct me if I have this mis-construed.
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
I see your point, but that is not what happened. If you are interested, there are more details in the forum post to learn more: teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/model-3-track-day-laguna-seca.109818/
@Tangent360
6 жыл бұрын
Not many non-performance oriented cars have brakes that will stand up to a full track day but damn... This is beyond just needing better pads, this is gonna need some ducting and if at all possible a complete upgrade to something bigger. It's good to see they figured out battery cooling on the Model 3 so it didn't go into reduced power mode almost immediately though.
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
Great point about ducting. Getting air in the EV wheel well and brake/rotor region isn't optimized for heat dissipation since regen is used for 'normal' driving. However, we are going to need to look into thermal air flow for heavy braking track use. Yes, obviously performance pads are needed. Industry currently doesn't have anything YET. More details here: teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/2632207/
@Ipbulldog
6 жыл бұрын
Matt: Does the Model 3 power distribution system for the dual motor performance version have the same kind of super-beefy subsystem as Tesla puts in the Performance Models S and X? Thanks, - George -
@mingscustoms
6 жыл бұрын
What you also have to ask yourself is why it's only like this on one side? pad could have been stuck due too cheap grease or not enough, or was simply not designed for this use...
@inox1ck
6 жыл бұрын
The front stock brakes look nice though, 4piston calipers, big pads. But the car is a like 300kg heavier than a normal car so a little bit bigger discs would've been better. However, with race pads, race fluid and air cooling ducts I think you should be able to do 10min on a racetrack with 1 cooling lap then another set.
@kartboarder22g17
6 жыл бұрын
Are you thinking the brakes are defective or something is wrong? Cause if they are just worn down from tracking won't you just need to replace them. You've already done most of the work, might as well just replace. Maybe just bad pads...
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
Model 3 brakes are fine for what they are designed to do. Obviously performance brakes are needed for the track. No performance brakes exist yet for the Model 3. Performance brake solutions are coming for the Model 3. More details here: teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/2632207/
@rx7171
6 жыл бұрын
Since in standard use only occasionally will Tesla need hard braking. and never repeated over and over in a short period of time. But for serious racing there must obviously be a big brake upgrade. Bringing a relatively heavy car quickly down from speed is a big load to carry.
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
I am hoping a competitive brake company is interested in high performance brakes for the Tesla Model 3 very soon. I would love to try pushing the car more next time. Yes, these brakes are fine for 'normal' day-to-day use with regenerative braking and an occasional emergency braking event.
@JohnATamplin
6 жыл бұрын
I don't think a "big brake upgrade" is required here, just better pads and fluid.
@V10PDTDI
6 жыл бұрын
I too think you should try more agressive brake pads and brake fluid . Nice to see the carnage will it past under warranty?
@JohnATamplin
6 жыл бұрын
V10PDTDI I doubt they would cover it, but it is possible it would be covered as good will. For a track car, pads and rotors are consumable items anyway.
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
Pads, rotors, and fluid flush are not covered under warranty for something like this (i.e. track day). This is my doing and I am paying for the cost to replace them. I knew this going into it, so this is not a surprise to me.
@tomh2349
6 жыл бұрын
How many miles on car before Laguna Seca?
@scherenschnitt6333
6 жыл бұрын
Why didnt you just change the brakepads and rotors? They dont have to be resetted. Seems to be a very easy job. I was really wondering about those squeeking metal like in my miatas pads. But... It works well, no failures.
Don't be surprised if Tesla don't warranty your brakes, they'll know the car was run hard. I did the same with a VW R32 and they could tell I took the car to the track. Great video by the way, thanks for sharing
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I never expected Tesla to warranty the brakes after my track day. That cost is on me. I have been very transparent with Tesla and Tesla has been very upfront with me. All good.
@Tippyyyy690
6 жыл бұрын
Good vid! Now I know how to replace my brake pads at 120K miles.
@dsbond8048
6 жыл бұрын
Consumer Reports stated that the Model 3's brakes were worse than a Ford F-150 pick up truck. Just change your software settings and the brake problems will go away! HaHaHaHaHaHa
@brandonc9292
6 жыл бұрын
Matt, where can I get replacement pads for the 3? What part or stock number? I was thinking Hawk Performance might have some but not luck so far.
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
B Campbell still looking. If Hawk has them, it would be nice to know the exact part numbers for front and rear.
@7spower998
6 жыл бұрын
Brembo, StopTech track, Pagid race pads.
@seanek9
6 жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with that. You've miscalculated your pad wear. You've run them down to bare metal and overheated the inside pad. "cooking the brakes" is something completely different lol. Laguna Seca would not be my preferred place to take an economy hatchback with no engine braking. I think my CTR would boil the fluid after a few laps. You need proper ducting to get the sort of cooling necessary on a track that relentless but that will drastically reduce your range.
@karlInSanDiego
6 жыл бұрын
Not a hatchback. Not economy ($44,000+). Car was in low regenerative mode, so still had "engine" braking. Tesla made the Model 3 very fast and heavy (3800+ lbs.), but built it with brakes that don't match the car's needs.
@GroundhogDK
6 жыл бұрын
So you are getting them replaced with standard model 3 brakes? I think maybe you need to consider upgrading...
@techboy95
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I guess they do design this for most people who will rarely need even close to hard braking except for emergencies with the regen. Please share experiences if you will go to the track again with brake upgrades and what upgrades you've done
@IpunkP
5 жыл бұрын
Upgrade to performance brake kit then
@davidinterian
6 жыл бұрын
hi i dont know much about cars, all the disc breaks are that easy to check ?
@nilsfrederking62
6 жыл бұрын
Strange, the brake pads are form Brambo, which is a well renowned brake manufacturer. My guess, you will find these pads also in several other car from other brands.
@Mladjasmilic
6 жыл бұрын
My grandfather has '88 Ford Sierra. He has it since 2000. I do not rememer him changing brakes in at least last 10 years. I took that car to track day (big engine, rear wheel drive). Car had no issues, apart from spining while violent downshift. I do not get this.
@JBoy3210
6 жыл бұрын
Wow. So immediately run brake ducts. Noted, thanks!
@mudpuddle8805
6 жыл бұрын
I dont get it, you had the pads out, why not change them? The rotors werent grooved or damaged from what I saw. Why tow it to Tesla? Seems like time and money wasted.
@h5skb4ru41
6 жыл бұрын
Just a question, in a stock GT4 Porsche the same thing happened? Or they're just different types of brakes?
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
No. My Porsche Cayman GT4 has performance brakes (pads/rotors/calipers/lines/fluids). The Tesla Model 3 brakes are obviously not designed for this. No surprise. What is promising is that the Model 3 lasted the session without thermal limiting. EVs lasting this long on a track is still a new thing. We are not there yet, but this year is promising for what could happen with performance EV modifications and potential tracking. I (and many others in the industry) are still looking for performance 3rd party brake pads...they don't exist, YET... There are some options to make custom performance brake pads that we are looking into, but those will be expensive. Unplugged Performance is offer front carbon ceramics, but they are very expensive (~$9K). There is also an option to use Model S pads and cut them down to fit. This might be a short term option, since the Model S pad compound is better than the stock Model 3. Tesla currently doesn't offer Model 3 pads for sale by themselves. Not an option at all...YET. Apparently, Brembo doesn't YET sell Tesla Model 3 brake pads separately from the brake system (rotors/pads/calipers), so complete set needs to be replaced...at this point in time. Yes...that is rough, but that is what is happening right now. Leave you all with a positive note here...the market is listening and there will be solutions coming. Just not right now. EV performance modifications is coming.
@h5skb4ru41
6 жыл бұрын
Matt Crowley I see,thanks!
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
You are welcome. If you are interested...I posted the final cost breakdown here (original forum post): teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/2632207/
@jth1987leb
6 жыл бұрын
Put the jack stand under the frame not a suspension component. Also torque lug nuts with the wheel on the ground
@clubuldeinvestitii
6 жыл бұрын
Matt, I'm loving the video and the aftermath. Please make more when you have time. In particular, would love to know if this is a Model3 issue or if performance brake pads would do better :)
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Obviously, if I had more time, I would have installed performance brakes. The brakes getting cooked was clearly a need to have performance brakes and not a problem with the Tesla Model 3 in anyway. Most factory car brakes would be cooked as well on Laguna Seca (obviously not all car brakes).
@Giggidygiggidy12
6 жыл бұрын
It's not an issue with the car it's an issue with the Brembo pads slowing down a heavy vehicle.
@ShaunRF
6 жыл бұрын
Wow, those Brembo pads can't take much abuse. I wonder if they are a standard size that Brembo offers with more track friendly pad compounds. Might not need to wait for someone like Hawk or Cobalt Friction to come out with pads for the Model 3.
@jackwsandoz
6 жыл бұрын
How many miles were on these pads before the track day?
@cfredette
6 жыл бұрын
I wonder if ebc makes them. I had a set a long time ago on a e36 m3 go to the backing plates in 20 minutes. Lol. I bought them on a last minute suggestion. The stock pads were obviously far superior. After that I switched to expensive but far superior Porterfields.
@raydavies6236
6 жыл бұрын
Is it a bad sign Tesla built in a towing hook?
@motoktips3024
6 жыл бұрын
1. it's not burn marks on the pin, it's just brake dust baked on 2. if you're going to the track, you must prepare the cars for it, that includes proper brake pads, proper tires, etc. if you went on the track with original tires you destroyed them. 3. Brembo brake pads are one of the best brake pads, don't put this on Tesla or whomever. This was the owners fault. You "destroyed" the rotors also, you can have the rotors resurfaced.
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
All valid points. Details from original forum post: teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/model-3-track-day-laguna-seca.109818/
@psdaengr911
6 жыл бұрын
If you drive a highway cruiser as it it was a racecar on a track, this is what happens. New torors and pads on a Tesla will probably cost ~$800. Race cars get brake inspections before and after each run. The wear indicator of the inner pad was worn down. indicating that it would have been sounding off for many miles of normal use before this video.
@mattlane2282
6 жыл бұрын
I'll go race a toyota corolla on stock brakes and have no issues... its tesla junk
@philipcooper8297
6 жыл бұрын
Do you see the blue-ish colour on the rotor? That tells you it overheated and needs replacing.
@davidschwenker5226
6 жыл бұрын
I have the same DeWalt impact wrench and I was wondering if you use speed 1 or 2 when fastening lug nuts. According to the spec sheet speed 1 should generate 100 ft*lbs but it doesn't "feel" tight enough to me and I am concerned it might not be functioning correctly. I should just buy a torque wrench but I thought maybe I could compare notes with another user to see if your experience is the same as mine.
@mattlane2282
6 жыл бұрын
stop touching your car as you have no clue wtf you are doing
The model 3 isn't that heavy, 1.6 tonnes - you could probably get standard after-market parts that would fit this vehicle, speak to a good mechanic and see if it's possible.
@sabinadavis5577
6 жыл бұрын
wow i'm a huge fan I love your videos!!!!!
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sabina! Shout out to Spartan Robotics team 971! www.thebluealliance.com/team/971 Going to Champs in Houston next week. Good luck.
@Miata822
6 жыл бұрын
Wow. Took it right down to the end plus a bit. Won't find Those pads at NAPA I suppose.
@nedis4
6 жыл бұрын
Does Tesla take it off warranty for suspension modifications?
@BRGRacer
6 жыл бұрын
Great Adventure......Great Learning....TrackDay @ Laguna Seca........!!!!
@billandyeng
6 жыл бұрын
Shouldn't you replace the discs, too?
@juhva
6 жыл бұрын
Are break pads somehow thinner than in "normal" cars? Or would this happen also in normal family cars? Do you really need to go to Tesla to change brake pads? Are the pads specifically made for Tesla and not "general"? Or is it just "in the contract" that you need to use Tesla service center?
@SebastiaanBakker1
6 жыл бұрын
Friendly note to help you in the future: brake.
@mattaut88
6 жыл бұрын
there once was a Audi TT with ceramic brakes and a german auto magazine did test it on a short round track. brakes failed miserably. was some bad headlines for Audi Sport.
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
The brake pads are 'normal' thickness. "Cooking" the brakes on a track session like this, will most likely happen on many 'family cars'. Brake pads are under a lot of thermal pressure on a track and you really need performance brake solution. No, you don't need to go to Tesla to change your brakes. I went to the Tesla Service Center to help share information with Tesla, since my service center is a few miles from the company headquarters.
@gmmza03
6 жыл бұрын
Struts made in Mexico, very nice.
@armando062212
6 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t tell the brake material was gone by looking at the rotor??? And how do you let something like this happen to an all electric vehicle? No oil changes, no real maintenance. Don’t get it.
@mletouutube
6 жыл бұрын
Install new break pads before racing and use the best pads. There is a big variation in pads quality. I drive fast and break more and once I used non-Toyota front pads and they lasted one year only instead of 5 years with the Toyota brand that cost double but in reality they are cheaper to use!!!
@DanFrederiksen
6 жыл бұрын
Exactly how much driving did you do? So model 3 doesn't overheat?
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
~20 minutes in a track session. 9 laps. 135 miles of power used. More details are posted at the forum thread here: teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/model-3-track-day-laguna-seca.109818/
@jokari69
6 жыл бұрын
Doesn't Tesla provide brake warning indicators when pads are below a certain thickness?
@reckless37
6 жыл бұрын
That's what the metal tabs are. They make that horrible noise when they touch the rotor.
@danielfl.9347
6 жыл бұрын
Is this not a new car? How come you have cooked the brakes allready?
It seems that the Model 3 needs more battery capacity and/or larger motors for better regen braking.
@JimFeig
6 жыл бұрын
I wonder how the caliper piston seals look. Might want to flush some new fluid through the system. I have a feeling Tesla limited how much air is directed into the wheel for efficiency reasons.
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
Car at Tesla now. New pads, new rotors, and flushing of the brake system is underway.
@Giggidygiggidy12
6 жыл бұрын
Matt Crowley so Tesla covered replacing all this even though you took it to the track?? How is that covered, I know BMW or Porsche would laugh you out of the service center if you tried that
@deforsy7607
6 жыл бұрын
Just wondering why he didn’t replace these after he went to the effort of pulling the wheels and old pads. Not many OEM brake pads are going to survive a full day at the track.
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
Primary goal is to get the car back as a daily. Looking into performance brake solutions in parallel.
@Espiritiv
6 жыл бұрын
Keep us posted on what pads would be best. Ceramic?
@mattlane2282
6 жыл бұрын
They all will...
@CRM82
6 жыл бұрын
Laguna Seca is an amazing track, but you say that's a hard track for brakes, and it actually does not look that bad, maybe a couple of medium stops.. try Monza: in two laps you would run out of pads and in 4-5 out of battery with that car! And I really don't understand how you can be pleased to drive that thing on track.. no sound, that's unnatural and SAD.
@pedrorodriguez3672
6 жыл бұрын
Brembo brakes! I still was not sure if Model3 had those italian brakes as Model S and X. It seems so. Good stock were to invest, just take a look at their chart.
@k1llamain
6 жыл бұрын
Pedro Rodriguez brembo is german!
@pedrorodriguez3672
6 жыл бұрын
No. Is an italian company. I know it well. I did a bunch of money last year with their stock.
@AnonOrange
6 жыл бұрын
The uneven wear is a problem too.
@imho7250
6 жыл бұрын
First time I’ve seen the aftermarket springs installed. Do you have any pictures of them as installed with the car settled on level surface at its natural ride height? @3:51 Those front springs looked like the first stage springs were already touching even with the spring extended, but wasn’t sure if it was just cocked due to being over-extended, even though it should stay straight if the spring seat and spring ends are correct. When the car is sitting on flat pavement on all four tires, the first stage coils should have some gap, which is what give the soft first stage, and once those are all touching, the upper coils will give a higher spring rate (second stage).
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
Here are some photos of the car after the lowering springs installed and settled: photos.app.goo.gl/dsQpFsvkNk9NHVR22
@imho7250
6 жыл бұрын
Matt Crowley, do you have any showing the coil springs with the car’s weight on all 4 tires. A picture like this, but fully assembled. unpluggedperformance.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Unplugged-Performance-Sport-Lowering-Springs-for-Tesla-Model-3_INSTALL-1200x800.jpg
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I don't. But that picture you shared looks like what you might be looking for. I had the jack still holding some pressure (under the jack mount location), and the wheel/tire (under the car for added safety) holding some pressure of the car...while the jack stand was under the lower suspension arm. So...don't read too much into the partial compression of the spring in my video, since the spring wasn't holding the entire load of the car.
@imho7250
6 жыл бұрын
Matt Crowley, yes, figured it wasn’t compressed to normal ride height, but the first stage coils looked like they were already touching in your video. The picture I sent was also not loaded, but the coil spring looked straight and the first stage coils weren’t touching each other. Maybe next time it’s up on a drive on car lift you can make sure the spring is straight and none of the coils are touching, even if it’s only a 1/16” clearance between coils. If the first stage coils are already touching on flat pavement, then it defeats their purpose, which is to make the spring rate much less for the initial compression (over a small bump) so that it doesn’t ride harsh over small bumps, but a large bump or swerve causes all those coils in the first stage to touch, which makes the spring rate very stiff. The overall effect is to make it ride softer during normal driving, while being tighter when pushed to the extreme.
@lebagnard6018
6 жыл бұрын
Tesla owners/fanboys don't need brakes since they only care about 0-60 times
@poplaurentiu4148
6 жыл бұрын
Carbon ceramic discs + brakes pad will add more like at least 4000$ to do it on all 4 wheels and that just to buy them if you want to install that is another extra cost then the car will not be (cheap sorry..) affordable anymore and if you will not use it daily on track then the ceramic compound on the brake pads will also squeak themselves since are designed to work well in high stress on high temperatures but if are cold.. will squeak.. so yeah
@nickdonley515
6 жыл бұрын
The regenerative breaking doesn't work I take it?
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
Regen works a little on the track, but when you are threshold braking (www.drivingfast.net/braking/)...the brakes will take most of the initial bite to slow the car down, and the brakes will incur a LOT of friction/thermal energy. Regen will help, but performance brakes are critical right now. This is a great question, since EVs have a unique ability to manage acceleration/deceleration in a very low latency way...so it will be interesting to see how torque vectoring and regen braking improves performance track handling and braking over time.
@philipcooper8297
6 жыл бұрын
See where he put the wheel under the car? Yeah, well don't. The front section of the car is made out of plastic. In case this goes down, it won't save your limbs from being crashed.
@psdaengr911
6 жыл бұрын
If it's supposed to be a temporary roadside substitute for a jackstand, it should be under the rocker panel. Onlyy a goofball would do driveway brake teardowns without jackstands.
@ghost-jesus
6 жыл бұрын
P Schmied he actually had a jackstand supporting the lower a arm if you look in the video, and usually you would put the spare wheel under the door next to the jack point, it would go there so that if the vehicle started to roll the car would fall on the wheel which even though it won't stop you from being injured, it will usually prevent the weight of the car from hitting vital organs, also it does happen to work as a temporary jackstand if you put a block of wood on it
@fatboy19831
6 жыл бұрын
Sooooo you mean I cant take my completely stock Tesla 3 to Laguna Seca ? What? How shocking! Upgrade your brake pads to racing pads if you are going to really push your stock car on any track. Laguna Seca.......I am surprised the battery did not overheat. Did it?
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
Promising for sure. Yes, performance pads are required. Battery did not overheat. Here is the forum thread with more details about the track event: teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/model-3-track-day-laguna-seca.109818/
@fatboy19831
6 жыл бұрын
Love the driving line.......I would have taped out when the brakes went out.
@Espiritiv
6 жыл бұрын
Thats the point, to see how a STOCK car performs. It didnt overheat so this car rocks! Just needs better pad material. ....and stock Brembos...nice
@mattlane2282
6 жыл бұрын
you can take a stock anything else... I lol @ how you people are amazed a car did not over heat... THIS CAR ROCKS IT DOES NOT OVERHEAT...
I beat the crap out of a Crown Vic at Willow Springs and still got 35k out of the front pads.
@ghosttesla
6 жыл бұрын
Great Video! Thank you for showing that!
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
You are welcome! I had fun all around. Track day and checking the brakes... Car was towed to Tesla this morning and a preliminary cost estimate was provided to me (not bad actually). I will reveal the total cost when I get the car back...maybe end of week.
@noconz0727
6 жыл бұрын
So weird to someone working on a Model 3
@victorbar3567
6 жыл бұрын
Those brakes are mounted on the VW's touareg... pretty expensive if bought to a dealership .
@GregHassler
6 жыл бұрын
What regen setting did you use on the track?
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
Regen was set to "Low". More details here: teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/model-3-track-day-laguna-seca.109818/
@Motorsportsgeek
6 жыл бұрын
man thats what happens when you have a lot of weight to stop, on the road these tesla barely require us of brakes, I've seen 2013 models with high mileage and still on original brake hardware.
@super-sim1665
6 жыл бұрын
Electric car racing is all about efficiency of driving. This would be the least efficient and slowest way to race a formula E car-fast in/slow out. Less laps and less brakes for same lap time.
@zaneh6224
6 жыл бұрын
What do you expect, it's a family sedan not a bloody track car, any regular sedan will do the same with factory pads. Also as electric cars use regenerative braking, the pads are probably softer than usual because you don't use them anywhere near as much as a regular car,
@mattlane2282
6 жыл бұрын
No they won't at all... I will take any vehicle you want out anywhere and panic stop 100 times with no problem on the pads... keep on with this "softer than usual" so what do regular cars use? I mean I never been in one that does not stop the first time you hit the brakes (aka totally cold) so... that SAME material would be fine on this junk....
@Giggidygiggidy12
6 жыл бұрын
In all honesty this just makes Brembo look like junk. I've heard the lost their quality over the years but I hadn't witnessed anything like that. Laguna Seca is brutal on any set of pads but I'm curious just how cheap Brembo went with the material on this pad. Soft material is good for performance up to a point.
@blackstaticband
6 жыл бұрын
usually when you take a car to the track you need track pads..
Mike Killion teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/model-3-track-day-laguna-seca.109818/
@victorbar3567
6 жыл бұрын
And mounted in the rear, those in the front are quite bigger
@PropheticEclipses
6 жыл бұрын
I was also thinking getting a blue Model 3 any regrets ?
@rivernet62
6 жыл бұрын
PropheticEclipses obviously the blue ones wear brakes quickly. Get a different color.
@poplaurentiu4148
6 жыл бұрын
Do you plan to race the new ev car on any track ?!
@Dan4096
6 жыл бұрын
It's not a track car, why such a big fuss about it? The brakes are for normal people doing normal driving in their electric car.
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
Daniel Matthiesen teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/model-3-track-day-laguna-seca.109818/
@Dan4096
6 жыл бұрын
Matt Crowley that's interesting
@richystar2001
6 жыл бұрын
Mustang Gt 2018 same price as a Tesla Model 3.
@blipco5
6 жыл бұрын
Why not just de-glaze the rotors and install new pads while you had the brakes apart in your driveway. Also...No retaining clips or cotter pin on your brake pad pins is worrisome, I'm surprise they let it out on the track. No tech inspectors?
@mattlane2282
6 жыл бұрын
cause its likely 500$+
@MrMat2002
6 жыл бұрын
i think tesla don t sell parts, so you to go to tesla dealer?
@Trades46
6 жыл бұрын
A comparatively cost BMW 340i or Audi S4 won't do this. Makes you wonder how much corners Tesla has cut while hiding behind the "it's electric" mantra vs. traditional vehicles.
@wdbldr67
6 жыл бұрын
Nice. To see how the breaks are removed that is. That's a ton of wear in a short period. I'll be looking for a better pad replacement. Thanks
@SebastiaanBakker1
6 жыл бұрын
Friendly note to help you in the future: brakes.
@林振华-t4v
6 жыл бұрын
So, did Tesla bitching your warranty is voided? Every manufacturer I have dealt with clearly stay in the manual you warranty not cover track application.
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
No. Tesla gets 'it'. All my interactions with Tesla employees is great. They love cars. They love to hear about the car experiences. Tesla service and delivery reps commented on how good the car looks lowered, custom wheels, and chrome delete (after the track day event). Tesla knows exactly what I did. I have been very open with them. They know that. The car data from this track day event has been very helpful to them (performance handling, thermals, fluid temps, battery temps, motor temps...all analyzed and helpful to improve on future designs). I paid for the brake job. I knew I was going to pay for the brakes. None of this was a surprise to Tesla or me. I told them I took the car on the track and they already knew from watching the car's data remotely. No voided warranty. All good data gathering and all good relationship between us. My expectations were clear going into this track day event. More details here: teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/model-3-track-day-laguna-seca.109818/
@林振华-t4v
6 жыл бұрын
Matt Crowley Well, that is good to know. I will keep that in mind for my replacement car purchase.;)
@malventano
6 жыл бұрын
It's great that your service center guys are cool, but the warranty terms for the 3 specifically exclude covering failures while racing. I want to autocross my 3, but if my drive unit or battery decides to pop while I'm dodging cones in a parking lot, are they really going to cover those high dollar items? I'd think not, since they specifically mention autocross by name in the warranty docs.
@林振华-t4v
6 жыл бұрын
Allyn Malventano auto crossing is relatively low stress auto sport. Pretty much as low as you can get. If those major systems go, then it has to be design flaw. Let alone more and more club put a sharp turn before the eye make the thing more like a rolling start. That basically eliminated possible stress on the clutch. The model 3 doesn't have. I've see a wip rebuilt midget bare made its way to the parking lot, but able finish race not problem.
@malventano
6 жыл бұрын
We both agree there, but it is still called out specifically in the warranty, meaning Tesla can turn down the repair of a drive unit / battery pack if the car has been autocrossed. That's an expensive gamble.
@michaels3757
6 жыл бұрын
Hawk HPS will do the trick
@brandoncaldwell95
6 жыл бұрын
Lets just go down to O'reallys, napa ect and buy... Oh wait. Its tesla. Never mind, ill be without a vehicle now.
@richardmaaske7483
6 жыл бұрын
Maybe on a model S Tesla car they have up graded Brakes
@delegate104
6 жыл бұрын
maybe if you change the pads when it started squeaking,its a heavy car you need to watch how you drive it, its like when you drive a toyota corolla and switch to a chevy tahoe you are not going to stop in a dime like you did in the small light car,slamming on the brakes all the time on a heavy car will take its toll on your brake pads,just take a little common sense.
@Grumps5
6 жыл бұрын
Why exactly is he bringing his car back to the dealership ? Seems like he ruined his breaks thinking it was a track beast.
@mattwcrowley
6 жыл бұрын
More details here: teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/model-3-track-day-laguna-seca.109818/
@blxtothis
6 жыл бұрын
Nothing surprising about that excessive wear, hard track use requires competition brake upgrades mate everybody knows that surely!
If you're out there racing the car on Factory brakes which are not Brembo or one of those racing brakes they're going to wear relatively fast and also just regular driving if you're heavy on the gas and heavy on the brakes the brakes are going to wear down really fast I barely use my brakes in my Mazda 3 I downshift and I've had the same brakes pads discs for 4 years straight so at the end of the day it all depends on how you drive
@reckless37
6 жыл бұрын
Pads are cheaper than clutches.
@benbunch4159
6 жыл бұрын
The pads ARE brembos...
@nicholasmcmorrisdaye149
6 жыл бұрын
Ben Bunch so we're going to need ceramic brake pads for my are wheel drive when I get it?
@dmitry7643
6 жыл бұрын
20 minutes on a track? And pads frigging chewed up? What the hell is this?
@hudsojt
6 жыл бұрын
Obviously Tesla did not design the stock brakes to be tracked. Did you view the Tesla Model 3 Laguna Seca Raceway video from Sunday March 4, 2018? It was a pretty brutal track session for a stock vehicle - any stock vehicle. kzitem.info/news/bejne/ynyomZmZqaRmooo
@dmitry7643
6 жыл бұрын
Yes, I agree with you that Laguna Seca is very hard track overall, but still… Looks like massive overheating problem.
@hudsojt
6 жыл бұрын
I would note that what you are calling a massive overheating problem is simply physics manifesting itself due to the behavior of the driver/owner and their choice of driving venues. You would be hard pressed to do the same amount of brake damage on public roads in 20 minutes of driving without first getting a few traffic citations.
@EnlightenedSavage
6 жыл бұрын
It is a very heavy car. if you are turning it into a track day car brakes should be the first thing to be upgraded anyway
@LoanwordEggcorn
6 жыл бұрын
Brake pads are almost mandatory to upgrade for track use for *ANY* production car. Matt is still searching for racing pads. Street pads are not designed for the sustained high loads of competition use, even autocrossing. So this is a fairly typical result for street brake pads.
No, the stock pads on the Model S do fine on the track (they don't have the initial bite of track pads, but they don't fade and last a reasonable time - I got ~25k miles and 15 track days on the original pads). They are Ferodo pads sold by Brembo.
@ferro706
6 жыл бұрын
Ok Nice
@Gmon750
6 жыл бұрын
This is not some anti-Tesla conspiracy. Try racing any stock car at Laguna Seca, with non-racing brake components and one will mostly result with the exact same problem. The brakes on a Tesla are not rated for use on a race track. Does common-sense not exist here?
@marvinkitfox3386
6 жыл бұрын
The OP wants Tesla to look bad. He deliberately set the car to not use regenerative braking (using motors to brake), AND braked very early into all corners.. while still maintaining throttle, from what I can see on the video. He upgraded his suspension, but left his old stock brakepads on? Tsk Tsk Tsk.
@Gmon750
6 жыл бұрын
You're absolutely correct. Re-reading my comment I can understand how it was read the way it was. My intent was to convey that the OP either has a beef with Tesla, or perhaps knew that implying a problem ensures he get's his click-bait.
@mattlane2282
6 жыл бұрын
go watch roadkill one thing I never seen them do is pads... They rebuild the brake systems on whatever junk they find... NEVER see them do pads and rotors yet they go out and race shit, beat it, turbo it, TOW with cars... NEVER touch the brakes...
@Giggidygiggidy12
6 жыл бұрын
Gmon750 the smart people who know what you know seem to be lacking here in the comment section
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