I used to like Tan Chuan Jin, but not any more, he sounds just like a bully, and very ‘bitchy’ towards Mr Leong. I am a PAP supporter but am totally very disappointed with the way the ministers carry out the debate. We Singaporean are honestly very concerned about what Mr Leong has brought up about this topic in parliament , and they should appreciate him speaking on behalf of most Singaporean; no need to be so belligerent.
@fuwafuwa5581
3 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you. I think Mr Leong brought up a very good point where more details or more information should be released by the government so that Singaporeans can know more about what benefits each of the FTAs or 'CECA' brings for Singaporeans. The government should seriously take that into consideration and not just pretend like they don't understand what Mr Leong is saying.
@kindnessmatters920
3 жыл бұрын
PAP government is behaving like communist now and I can say this is very very bad signal for Singapore and our fellow Singaporeans
@september9646
3 жыл бұрын
Agree, my sister once said that Mr. Tan Chuangjin was good, but not anymore. How can one become so snobbish and arrogant to his opposition party.
@ona2779
3 жыл бұрын
Pls don't say "Most" Singaporeans. PSP represent the middle age Singaporeans who can't keep their PMET jobs and they are a small but loud group who used opposition to speak for them. Majority Singaporeans are already very patient and the parliament is very patient to let Leong speak all he want despite the fact that he came unprepared.
@gparamaeswary7276
3 жыл бұрын
Well said
@zleipnirgoh5972
3 жыл бұрын
Is this a debate or court hearing? Only can answer Yes or No?
@user-ijh7tl5ie3
3 жыл бұрын
Yes they hv turned it into a court hearing.
@tonykwok9763
3 жыл бұрын
WHAT A PARLIAMENT
@zleipnirgoh5972
3 жыл бұрын
ya manz... this is not the kind of Singapore ministers attitude I had in mind... :/
@scorpio19771111
3 жыл бұрын
Bad bullying behaviour. The nasty guys crying foul... 😏
@Jejdjejbfjf
3 жыл бұрын
Isn't tan chuan jin supposed to be neutral? He sounds like a PAP MP when he questions LMW like that. And I can totally see where LMW is coming from. FTA as a concept theoretically can be beneficial, but more details are required as to whether individual FTAs in practice are truly serving singaporeans well.
@eatdriveplay
3 жыл бұрын
As speaker, he needs to get the stand of each member clear. It’s a simple proceeding… just make his stand clear and complete.
@philiplim2574
3 жыл бұрын
He also need his rice bowl.. :(
@ConradSNIPER
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, Speaker is pursuing a firm answer - rather than Half Boiled Egg.
@eatdriveplay
3 жыл бұрын
@@philiplim2574 it is his role as Speaker to get the member to state in clear terms what his stand/vote is. Cannot anyhow keep saying “I support…in general…but.” Every MP knows this - even WP MPs.
@ConradSNIPER
3 жыл бұрын
@@beautifulsunrisehandle My S-style of logicalization is. ; Quantification & Qualification & Quantum ! Chan, please discover yourself & stop shadowing or being a photocopy - as demanded by The Old Lee KY
@aaronloudnwireless
3 жыл бұрын
How come the speaker is taking sides! Even if he is a member of the ruling party Speaker of the House should be neutral…
@philiplim2574
3 жыл бұрын
Not sure. Crazy Nancy hates Trump and his guts
@zulhishamyahaya5499
3 жыл бұрын
He also wants sucks and carry the balls too😁
@MTMT-wm2dq
3 жыл бұрын
Not the first time speaker have taken sides and he will do it again and again.
@ey833
3 жыл бұрын
Mr Speaker taking sides? i think its better you guys read up the whole Hansard and see if Mr LMW did his homework before coming Parliament..
@jayl5749
3 жыл бұрын
It's very difficult to answer leading questions. Just imagine if a job interviewer asks an applicant, "Do you like your previous job?" The applicant tries to explain what he likes and what he does not like. But then the interviewer forced him to answer the question by only saying either Yes or No. The applicant said, "Yes" because he does not want to sound negative about his previous employer. Then the interviewer told him "Since you like your previous job, then go back to it." The applicant then said "No". Afterall, he wants this new job. The interviewer then said that the applicant is flip-flopping and incoherent. This happens when one does not care about the opinion of others, but rather asking questions just to solicit a particular response.
@michaelling6352
Жыл бұрын
So if one is unable to tackle this kind of tactics how is he able to go and play in the world stage this political games is always and will always be there no matter which era
@eugene8902
3 жыл бұрын
The speaker is pretty biased. LMW already said he needs more information from the govt before he can make a stand. The speaker keeps pushing him to make a stand - support or not support. Is like u go best denki and you like this TV (and tv is generally gd, it provides entertainment and information) but you dont know if it would best suit your family's needs, u ask the salesman for more specs and price but the salesman keeps pushing you - u buying or not buying?
@LongLiveBlessPersia
3 жыл бұрын
Sad to see NCMP treated like this.
@wfyup1760
3 жыл бұрын
Well done Mr Leong.. You got the guts.. Not a lot of people can do that...
@jaredho1157
3 жыл бұрын
Yup not everyone is daring enough to make a fool of themselves
@taeyeonist1462
3 жыл бұрын
@@jaredho1157 Vivian sure did . Twice too, this year :) Top diplomat, making insulting comments when he thought no one was listening. Senior minister, made a categorical, public statement about Tracetogether, then u-turned and said it was used for serious crimes, then claimed he had 'sleepless nights' but somehow took a few months to let the public know. If he truly cared about the privacy of the people and felt guilty about making an inaccurate assertion at all, the responsible thing would be to inform the public immediately. In this day and age when a public statement takes 2 minutes to draft on FB, a 5~ months lapse is completely unacceptable.
@ychongong4680
3 жыл бұрын
Lousy la opposition, he graduated from RI some more damn sia suai
@justnow5809
3 жыл бұрын
He just wants attention, any kind,,
@chinchowpowpook
2 жыл бұрын
U mean got gut to be clown?
@youjunng1621
3 жыл бұрын
So the minister and the Speaker supporting the foreigners to take over sg citizens jobs? So are u supporting or not supporting?
@justfair7399
3 жыл бұрын
Not true if you bother to see the debate
@youjunng1621
3 жыл бұрын
@@justfair7399 Not true? Have u actually seen what is happening on the ground? Or are u just blindly following the debate?
@justfair7399
3 жыл бұрын
@@youjunng1621 Ground grievances there will be. It's human nature. Point is can he survive without the investors who put their money here thus bringing jobs? If they go elsewhere, there is no jobs to quarrel about. Do you know why Filipinos, Malaysians , etc want to work overseas? The answer is not enough jobs in their countries.Why? Not enough investments
@eyeswideshut8110
3 жыл бұрын
@@justfair7399 C'mon man...don't compare apples with pineapples la. This is so cock.
@vincecarlo
3 жыл бұрын
@@youjunng1621 Just Ignore that @ Justfair 2 mths OLD FAKE ACCOUNT SPEWING 💩💩💩 LAP 🐕🏀👅
@theheavenlyoption
3 жыл бұрын
Mr Leong is hardly the most articulate speaker in parliament but he explained his stance as best as he can. Not wanting to answer conclusively because of insufficient data at hand is a smart thing. Why must the PAP arm twist him into making yes/no answers. They come across as smug bullies after this and Dr Vivian's remarks.
@baga4036
3 жыл бұрын
Most articulate speaker?? Your comments seems ignorance...My toes are laughing, hahaha. What about Pitram, Shanmugam, Tharman.
@theheavenlyoption
3 жыл бұрын
@@baga4036 I said *hardly* the most articulate speaker... someone needs to brush up on their english....
@baga4036
3 жыл бұрын
@@theheavenlyoption Hardly the most articulate speaker but can explained his stance as best? C'mon...haha. I deem someone not only need to brush up their english but to clear their minds and refocus their views.
@theheavenlyoption
3 жыл бұрын
@@baga4036 it's funny how you misconstrue everything I say. I said he explained his stance as best as he could... *meaning* he did his best and he made his points, not that he was best at speaking. Your comprehension is so poor it's hilarious.
@baga4036
3 жыл бұрын
@@theheavenlyoptionMy comprehension is not as hilarious as your comments haha. The main problem is he is making a fool of him but you still have the cheeks to said he explained his stance as best as he. One moment agreed one moment no, not only the PAP is confused, even WP is even. No horse run!!
@gparamaeswary7276
3 жыл бұрын
Shanmugam is missing his court debates.... Yes or no!
@jonkoh8657
3 жыл бұрын
Tan Chuan Jin is obviously the most bias speaker of house in the past decades ...definitely don't qualify to be a professional speaker of the house,. His role should just regulates the house and not indirectly participate in the debate with his way of questioning the opposition. You are already overpaid, so stick your basic and simple role as speaker of the house, and stop giving your opinions as if you are still a PAP minister.
@raymondgoh3233
3 жыл бұрын
LMW MUST repeatedly answer :"There's NO simple Yes or No for a complicated issue ! It's NOT about the need for FTA or CECA. It's how the government manage them NOT just for Singapore but also for Singaporeans." He's falling into the PAP trap by answering "Yes but no". They will keep pressing for your "Yes"
@justfair7399
3 жыл бұрын
His conscience was hauting him thats why can't answer firmly. Evasive
@davidgoh681
2 жыл бұрын
Yes it's how the government manage the FTAs and Ceca for both Spore and Sporean locals. But we note that speaker TCJ is regularly denying LMW the chance to explain, trying to stymie him. The speaker is clearly not impartial from my observation. No surprise here knowing our politics
@yujieleong8821
Жыл бұрын
@@davidgoh681 He never was impartial
@MTMT-wm2dq
3 жыл бұрын
If shanmugam and tan chuan jin both are confuse, why are they there? actually leong mun wai is clear of what he said.
@MTMT-wm2dq
3 жыл бұрын
@@aneetkaur9924 Leong is a RI student, hahaha!
@user-ijh7tl5ie3
3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha 😆
@honourhume5906
3 жыл бұрын
Because they are illiterate, that's why. 🤣 🤣 🤣
@jaredho1157
3 жыл бұрын
@@honourhume5906 haha from the looks of it we can see who is the illiterate one. Vivian balakrishnan is right
@ey833
3 жыл бұрын
LMW is clear on what he said? i beg to differ... he got caught himself so many times.. literally wasting time...
@user-ijh7tl5ie3
3 жыл бұрын
Tan chuan jin ... i stop respecting u. Dun waste yr time posting cute remarks on your FB, now we see your true color. As well as vivian bala's,... as a man speaks his private thoughts, it reflects his character.
@honourhume5906
3 жыл бұрын
Never likeed his face, looks like a Johor thug in a suit.
@rexg1353
3 жыл бұрын
@@honourhume5906 LOLLLLLLL. Nasty.
@eddieleong6490
3 жыл бұрын
LMW cannot debate. His command of English cannot match that of Shanmugam who is a top lawyer more used to cross-examination in Court. Shanmugam will phrase his statements and questions in narrow context making it difficult to evade. LMW should have spent a lot more time researching all aspects of CECA, published data and come out with precise and sharp questions. His performance is clearly deficient. I am not pro or anti-PAP. I am listening to this exchange for the first time. I think we need a much sharper member to stand up to an experienced debater like Shanmugam. The only way is use of published facts, published research documents and being precise. LMW kept saying, he needs more data. What level of data, what precised data? Has PSP published a White Paper to date challenging the government published data. He says, he sees or hears of under-employed Singaporeans. Has he done surveys, can quote names, cite names of companies that could have hired more Singaporeans? LMW is clearly not prepared for a debate in Parliament. It is a serious forum, not the casual banter across a hawker table.
@josephsolomon4684
3 жыл бұрын
I agree on that, and if you listened to Hazel Poa and WP MPs, there are differences when it comes to preparedness of debate in parliament.
@justfair7399
3 жыл бұрын
@@josephsolomon4684 Leong mun wai seeks fame and disrespect the Parliament. Probably the worst we get in Parliament so far
@sssss2661
3 жыл бұрын
He trying to trap lmw into racial issue. This type of fox all sinkies also know.
@ln6593
3 жыл бұрын
Yep frightfully incompetent - like some uncle spewing nonsense at hawker centre with others willing to listen.
@honourhume5906
3 жыл бұрын
I am afrais you are right in this one- check out Pritam SIngh in contrast who deftly handled the attacks with well-researched and articulated facts , without awkward tongue-tied moments. Or resorting to belittling, name-calling or losing his cool.We need more Pritam Singhs in Parliament.
@burialsite6241
3 жыл бұрын
I do not understand why such arrogance and resentment when replying to Oppossition MP's questions. Oppossition MPs are not enemies of anyone. They representing Singapore Citizens too. They have similar objectives of making Singapore a good country. Their questions are what Singaporeans having in their minds and hearts. Its better and wiser to address it in parliament in harmony than anarchy on the streets. Presence of Oppossition has help to ensure Singapore continue to be safe and peaceful country because all doubts and issues will be brought-up in a civilised discussions in parliament.
@justfair7399
3 жыл бұрын
Where is the arrogance? What he alleged must be put to test. If you say you are robbed, isn't it fair to ask for details? You cannot say you still need more info and see how. This is how a debate must proceed. Say it and back it up. LMW was evasive. Unprepared and looked lost
@pohcs5913
3 жыл бұрын
Disqualify minister..
@justfair7399
3 жыл бұрын
@@pohcs5913 LMW stood there like a cock. Tongue tied. Very often in court, this is how judges decide judgements. He was not a truthful witness. Evasive and flip flop
@yummycrepe
3 жыл бұрын
He should not think his little trick as a lawyer will ever win over his audience. For example one can like India in general but at the same time dislike a person who happen to be an India person talking nonsense. There is really no controversy in such a matter unless you are prejudice and blind.
@ConradSNIPER
3 жыл бұрын
How can you be so CONFUSED?
@ConradSNIPER
3 жыл бұрын
Differentiate these; .. A - The Cows had messed up the garden. B - Some animals had messed up the garden & those are cows. ... A - means all Cows B - means some Cows
@ConradSNIPER
3 жыл бұрын
@@beautifulsunrisehandle Do not talk about my Holistic Head! I repeat ! NO SAY MY HEAD !!
@deschan2246
3 жыл бұрын
Speaker appeared non neutral ! Comment from Leong is crystal clear !!!!
@deschan2246
3 жыл бұрын
@@brave1905 to released? Np
@yx6160
3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Kept siding Shanmugam and It’s too obvious. I’m glad that I’m not the only one noticing.
@deschan2246
3 жыл бұрын
@@yx6160 anybody who watch the video see it. Singapore parliament is a joke
@jaredho1157
3 жыл бұрын
@@deschan2246 its a joke when we have cocksters like Leong around
@deschan2246
3 жыл бұрын
@@jaredho1157 leong is not the joke
@taufeeqiklim2801
3 жыл бұрын
In other news, Mr Shanmugam wears a watch on each hand.
@heehaahoo
3 жыл бұрын
now u mentioned it, i realised, LOL
@gabrielng3449
3 жыл бұрын
one is a gift from modi
@aonkan123
3 жыл бұрын
@@gabrielng3449 Thats very funny. Just like you are totally not racist. Not in poor taste at all.
@limwowo5902
3 жыл бұрын
Didn't he cheat on his wife before? One apple watch for reading mistress sms loh
@vincecarlo
3 жыл бұрын
@@limwowo5902 Maybe How Honorable 🤭🤭
@SantomPh
3 жыл бұрын
I feel sorry for the NCMP having to debate from up there in the corner like he is some sort of visitor. He is as much as an MP as the minister.
@jaredho1157
3 жыл бұрын
He is a joker
@seatchernchen6710
Жыл бұрын
Why u say he is joker,it take tremendous courage to stand for the people against pap.He should have enjoy his golden yrs and not like other jokers live luxury in their own world
@greatasia606
3 жыл бұрын
Small little Singapore now has a population density of almost 8000 per square km. It's naive for the ruling elites to believe that the problem will go away by producing questionable statistics and winning debates.
@kenyoung6666
2 жыл бұрын
If you think you can do a better job, quit being a keyboard warrior and put your name and face out there and run for the next election!
@sukhov100
3 жыл бұрын
No point in debating when the house will always win..it's like going into a casino
@bobafett5757
3 жыл бұрын
*I am puzzled that Shan and the Speaker were both confused by Leong direct question and concern about the different factors between CECA and FTA thats spoken in simple English*
@toquan084
3 жыл бұрын
Old dirty tricks of PAP words game . Using court room dirty tricks in paliment. YES or NO. SUPPORT OR NO SUPPORT. TURNING THE TABLE AROUND TO ASK OPPOSITION FOR ANSWERS. DEMANDING ANSWERS FROM OPPOSITION.
@jeangian1781
3 жыл бұрын
@@toquan084 Mr Leong needs to be resilient to such belly bottom attacks. Singaporeans also need to be vigilant about what is happening in parliament, too. Sensitivity & sensibility much needed
@sssss2661
3 жыл бұрын
Shami trying to trap lmw into racial issue. He chose not to understand. His a fox
@sssss2661
3 жыл бұрын
@@toquan084 to end this bullshit need to vote new g
@vincecarlo
3 жыл бұрын
Selective Understanding to Cause Further Confusion which they Are Experts At
@trohorse
3 жыл бұрын
This is the debate that Singaporeans wanted when people voted more opposition into parliament yet when there is a debate LMW could not hold his ground and fumbled. When he fumbles, people here claim PAP intimidate him. He can't even justify his claims, just toying with populist views. Some people here argue about language but precisely the wrong use of just one word leads to different meaning and interpretation. The main gist of getting a yes or no in this case is to lay the foundation for the debate to continue. If LMW can consistently reply either yes or no then it lays the basis for the debate on the matter to continue. If he says yes, then no, then yes, then maybe, then not enough data, how does this bring the matter forward? This is what parliamentary debate is about. If people expect to go in half-hearted with weak arguments, then expect to get gobbled up and spit out like what happened with LMW. If LMW wants to bring about his point then go in with not just conviction but preparation for how he will defend his points. Take a leaf from how Pritam Singh does it. This kind of representation is a disgrace!
@rain6834
3 жыл бұрын
It depends... too many oppositions without clear objectives, just channel energy to no where.
@taeyeonist1462
3 жыл бұрын
he was indeed being intimidated and bullied. is it not possible to be for FTAs in general, but to question the economic impact of some of these FTAs? He says the FTAs need to be examined, with more data, in order to conclude if it was a good deal. Is it so hard to understand? Think Pritam understood PSP well and the minister and speaker were pretending to be confused to make a fool out of leong
@trohorse
3 жыл бұрын
@@taeyeonist1462 This was not the first sitting that the issue was raised. He has had time to clarify and study what data was provided previously and even ask for more data but had not done so. If he was thrust into this debate on that day then perhaps lack of data could be a defence. But he raised this motion and showed he was unprepared for questions raised. Pivoting the answer brought no meaningful debate on the motion he raised.
@taeyeonist1462
3 жыл бұрын
@@trohorse It's a given for sure LMW was not the best speaker. I am far more aligned with Pritam Singh's speech. If i am not mistaken, the PSP did ask for more data but was not given enough, had they given sufficient data, LO Pritam/ Leon Perara would not have raised the point about transparency/lack of data. Are you sure that Leong did not ask for data? In any case, you must be fair and admit that what the Minister of Law and Speaker did was not fair as well -- it was coordinated bullying. Not everything has a yes or no answer, and Parliament isn't a court of Law. Leong's mistake was in his approach to the debate, the structure of the motion he raised and failure to anticipate Minister's aggressive questioning tactics, which frankly were used very aggressively and unfairly during the Select Committee on POFMA hearings as well. That being said, I personally question the need for professional debators with million dollar salaries - having a good intention and the heart to serve is far more important. While not eloquent, it is my view that Leong raised points that reflects the concerns and fears of the average Singaporean. Far more accurately than "he-is-illiterate" minister ever has
@trohorse
3 жыл бұрын
@@taeyeonist1462 Speaker's role is to seek clarity in the questions raised. If there is no clarity in the answer Leong gives then how can they understand the motion he is trying to pass? Parliament is not a molley cuddling session. This is the sort of robust questioning that should be put forth by both sides. If the roles were reversed, would people feel that Leong is bullying Min? I doubt so. People would say that Leong is fighting for Singaporeans and Min failed to answer him. If the gov does not care about this topic, would they be spending more than 10 hours on this and even more hours clarifying in previous sessions? While not everything has a simple yes, no answer, Leong was not able to properly lay any ground for debate as his stand was not clear. He didn't even seem sure what his motion was about. It was important to establish whether PSP supported CECA and FTAs so that the debate can be spotlighted on the right issue. Was it specifically CECA? Or terms in some FTAs? Leong flip flopped on this before settling on the economic impact of CECA then raising that other FTAs like Australia, China and USA had issues. The issues with these 3 countries have never been raised in the past. I do agree though that LO was clearer on his approach. He knew what he wanted and put his points clearly. Thus it did not invite such questioning. Did Min and speaker question him on his points? No, because they were clear and he had a stand. This paved the way for proper rebuttals and debate on his points.
@sumertheory
3 жыл бұрын
PAP's upper hand in the debate upstaged by their own disparaging remarks
@freddie792
3 жыл бұрын
They not ready to give good answer, they meant asking any arguing MPs to read and accept what published from government websites
@7om6un40
3 жыл бұрын
PSP need to replace Leong to debate in the parliament. Someone has to speak for him as he cant speak nor debate well enough. How could PSP be taken seriously? What an embarrassment.
@chengkokkay2639
3 жыл бұрын
If the foreigners are new graduates, why they dont giive Singaporean the first priority. The gov. must fulfill the country quotas before we fulfill the FTA and CECA quotas.
@demieregon3858
3 жыл бұрын
I think what LMW was trying to articulate was CECA as a policy for economic development should be supported, but there are trade-offs within (particularly on the social front) that need to be examined. Replying yes should not exclude any further debates on trade-offs. Unfortunately, that just didn’t came off.
@justfair7399
3 жыл бұрын
Haha He support CECA in general but flip again when pressed. Very weak debater
@justfair7399
3 жыл бұрын
Asking to repeat question. Lost
@JustScrap78
3 жыл бұрын
It took PSP just 1 year to raise these awkward but pertinent questions. Sure Mr Leong's debate was less than desirable but I understand where he comes from. Were there no memorable blunders from our elite ministers too? There were plenty as many may recall, your command of english is not entirely representative of how well you do your job which in this instance is to address the concerns of the public. Ask CCS if cotton from sheep has any relevance in his day to day duties or HSK if the elusive East Coast Plan affects the grand scheme of things. Unity is the most important trait of any country, why dont you conduct an anoymous litmus test on all of our NS men on whether they will honor their oath if there is a 60/40 split? If there is unwavering support then you can push ahead with your plans with the least amount of concern. If the results are less than desirable then abolish NS and it's commitments so that everybody competes on a level playing field. Most 1st world countries have robust labor laws to ensure fair play. We are sadly lacking in this aspect and this will surely escalate tensions in the near future. The social unrest happening recently is proof of this, it is not the first nor will it be the last.
@diesopain260
3 жыл бұрын
Ceca not the issue, issue is how come got so many paper generals climb up to managerial positions and political positions in Singapore. I think PSP need to file motion and see what government has to say.
@christophers2937
Жыл бұрын
You must know how Parliament work. When the issue was raised on MOM for e.g. then the Parliamentarian could debate on it after submission to the house and the speaker. They also have to draw lots on matters to be discussed.
@hengeechua3705
3 жыл бұрын
There is no point debating on a motion when the ruling party with the advantage of having majority in the parliament wilfully distorted the motion passed by the opposition and forced the debate in their favour.
@gigabytemon
3 жыл бұрын
There actually is a point to this. If a motion can be successfully defended against this kind of distortion, then it cannot be distorted by the public if/when it is passed. Playing devil's advocate is a necessary evil in protecting the integrity of any government. If the ground has the slightest chance of thinking this motion is racially motivated, then that will always divide people and weaken the entire structure of society through that fault line. The motion NEEDS to be bulletproof, or people will needlessly suffer for it.
@toquan084
3 жыл бұрын
Old dirty tricks of PAP words game . Using court room dirty tricks in paliment. YES or NO. SUPPORT OR NO SUPPORT. TURNING THE TABLE AROUND TO ASK OPPOSITION FOR ANSWERS. DEMANDING ANSWERS FROM OPPOSITION.
@susankwan-tan8572
3 жыл бұрын
This kind of questioning is more like in a court case rather than in a parliamentary debate !!! . 😂😂😂
@davidgoh681
2 жыл бұрын
And this Speaker, judge, is not impartial! Just imagine in the days without alternative media, we were in the dark.
@yujieleong8821
Жыл бұрын
Cos the majority there are trying to make the debate like one!
@apocalypsen0453
3 жыл бұрын
I’m not familiar with political debates or anything, but why is there like 3 PAP ministers against 1 PSP
@linzixuan29
6 ай бұрын
BC there are a lot of pap in the parliament . It won't be 50/50
@donmichaelangelo
3 жыл бұрын
In history classes, my school thought me about separation of powers. I’m learning about it through this parliament.
@Diderot68
3 жыл бұрын
Literacy is relative. Compared to Mr LKY, everyone in the house is an illiterate. So, don’t be too arrogant.
@e8943
3 жыл бұрын
Leong Mun Wai was very clear in his answers and should not be forced to give a direct yes or no answer. He is right, give all the data, not bit by bit when it suits them. How is he supposed to give an answer without the necessary data. His English may not be the best, but he is very persistent and that is good, we need people who will push and push. They should not cut him off and just let him finish. Vivian really needs to watch his mouth, being heard calling Leong Mun Wai “illiterate” and questioning “how did he get into RI” and “I guess not all schools are good schools” in parliament. He should be kicked out of parliament for making such comments
@wongkokkiong4847
3 жыл бұрын
Is that a good way to questioning a person by answering "yes or no"
@Zincgton
3 жыл бұрын
It is painful to watch LMW. He is utterly garbled.
@bobafett5757
3 жыл бұрын
Its heartbreaking but he stood there well.
@diesopain260
3 жыл бұрын
@les leong mun wai, makes everyone confuse. He need to skill up vocabulary maybe need to go take up sg skill future courses. He can just say I support to a limited extent. Then say what are the merits Ceca/ftas that he supported. And then move on to what he disagree on ceca/Fta. Then draw his own conclusion whether he support or not support. Instead he agree supporting in general which means he supporting ceca on the whole and don’t support ceca at the same time. However i do think mr speaker should do some moderator work. Cannot keep allowing parliament sessions become legal court. The law minister looks like interrogating defendant in a parliament.
@justfair7399
3 жыл бұрын
Leong fumbled because his conscience was haunting him. He knew that he was spreading xenophobia and racism. So he cannot look straight and answer firmly
@justfair7399
3 жыл бұрын
And ask to repeat the question on numerous occasions
@h.l6849
3 жыл бұрын
@@diesopain260 yes. Leong could just said he support but he wanna debate on certain terms. Or he want to have more data related to selected items on the FTA.. while i dun think he is ractist, he is incoherent..
@flyingchef6980
3 жыл бұрын
This is already a PR win for Mr Leong, his party and their supporters.
@susankwan-tan8572
3 жыл бұрын
Is this a court hearing or a parliamentary debate ??? 😂😂😂😂
@susankwan-tan8572
3 жыл бұрын
LMW’s questions is not answered … why is this so ????
@Celia-nl7uj
3 жыл бұрын
Don't force an answer, Mr Speaker and Shanmugum. People are concerned with CECA and not all FTA's. We are not happy with how our Mr Speaker is not allowing the opposition to speak his mind. Don't pretend to not understand what Mr Leong is saying, Mr Speaker and Mr Shanmugum. We don't like this conduct in parliament.
@trohorse
3 жыл бұрын
Then don't watch it. Parliament is not a tea party where everyone are all smiles and greet each other with niceties. It is a serious and robust debate on policies and stands. If you can't take the heat then stay out of the kitchen.
@taeyeonist1462
3 жыл бұрын
@@trohorse more like bullying
@honourhume5906
3 жыл бұрын
@@trohorse Say that again- when PAP LOSES the next election.OK? :)
@trohorse
3 жыл бұрын
@@honourhume5906 Sure. If PAP give LMW standard of reply in parliament then they deserve to lose. Even if PAP lose the next election, same thing. Parliament is not for feeble statements.
@jaredho1157
3 жыл бұрын
So why are you concerned with just CECA and not the other FTAs?
@jameslim6865
3 жыл бұрын
LMW is a Singaporean hero, who dares to speak out in Parliament and represents Singaporeans wholeheartedly. Also, this is not a court. There is not need for a yes or no answer. Free trade agreement is a complicated subject with many trade-off and often then not has no clear answer. If it is so simple and clear, any person could do the Minister's job and Singapore taxpayers would not need to pay for these overly compensated Ministers.
@justnow5809
3 жыл бұрын
Everyone can speak but to speak in parliament, please be clear....
@jameslim6865
3 жыл бұрын
@@justnow5809 LWM was crystal clear on PSP's stance on free trade and CECA. PSP supports free trade in general. Only a few unfair terms in some of the free trade agreements need to be reviewed.
@ashunknown9728
2 жыл бұрын
Shanmugam practicing to be a lawyer in parliament,😄😃
@engsudatta276
3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget, Parliament is not a court of law. One who gains an argument may not convince the masses. Linking Ceca, which is a FTA which concerns the interests of Singaporeans, to racism and xenophobia is far-fetched.
@TheHenryyeokh
3 жыл бұрын
It is a conditional support. We all know what Mr Leong means. PAP ministers are just playing with words as though they are in court, they are more interested to pin Mr Leong down, win the debate, and uninterested to discuss the issue at root. PAP is losing more support by such behavior. I thank Mr Leong for going through such fire in the national tv for all Singaporeans.
@ismailalialiali1216
3 жыл бұрын
Too many Indian minister in cabinets in proportion to their population, lol
@jaredho1157
3 жыл бұрын
The best person gets the job. Too bad your race is unqualified maybe?
@zelpylos
3 жыл бұрын
what is the role and function of the house of speakers? 3 person debate?
@93hothead
2 жыл бұрын
why in the world does shanmugam want an answer of whether 350,000 under or unemployed singaporeans are too little???? shouldnt the government's job be to reduce unemployment and not care about the numbers? instead unemployment should be worrying for a country instead.
@douglasang3527
3 жыл бұрын
Talk is useless in this unfair game created by PAP ! Just change Government , PAP is overdue ! This is not a Court Proceeding ! Singaporeans must wake up now ! Only change and then we can have the solution ! This is not about Racism , is about the survival of true Singapore !
@douglasang3527
3 жыл бұрын
True Singaporeans must wake up now !
@zandrakoon4651
3 жыл бұрын
The general frameworks of FTA & CECA are positive for participating countries who seek greater collaborations ! These are complex negotiations with important details NOT disclosed to opposition parties ! Mr. Leong answered correctly - we need assess the detail agreement signed in order to say we agree to certain terms & not the others ! It has to be win win for both parties ! PAP MPs are determined to withold the information as it'll adversely affect our relationships with our nations if the long list of items were brought into parliament for discussion & debate openly. PAP MP is trying to trick Leong Wai Mun with words. This is a form of bullying to discredit opposition Mr. Leong for raising these valid issues ! Singapore will NEVER get the answer due to complexity & sensitive nature of such High Level agreements signed !
@Gindaman999
3 жыл бұрын
You want civil participation at what level? How about all Singaporeans sit at the negotiation table? If you are to go through political opposition everytime you want something done, it will never get done. It will become like American congress, split in half, lots of back and forth and lobbying, deals making, etc. They can’t even pass a infrastructure bill. Lol
@naturemeditation3751
2 жыл бұрын
this leong character is a disgrace in parliament
@noelrobinson2307
3 жыл бұрын
Why are the ministers so highly paid and educated but they behave otherwise. It is completely normal to generally support something but against certain sub-clauses within that policy. To push for a simple answer shows lack of depth, and biasness. TCJ should be neutral. This is not neutral, either that or he is shallow. Your pick.
@theinquisitor7191
3 жыл бұрын
If I'm a game developer in Singapore, I promise here on then, I am no longer interest in politics. 🙃
@user-ijh7tl5ie3
3 жыл бұрын
Haha 😁
@honourhume5906
3 жыл бұрын
Smart of you , as it should be.
@user-ijh7tl5ie3
3 жыл бұрын
We want to see respect n humility n both sides solving problems collectively in the House pls. Not answer yes or no.
@hendryyap4618
3 жыл бұрын
Speaker of parliament talk as though he’s reprimanding lmw. Shame on him for displaying such a tone.
@joekerr8334
2 жыл бұрын
Singapore is 76% Chinese ! Keep it at this ! “I have said openly that if we were 100 per cent Chinese, we would do better. But we are not and never will be, so we live with what we have.” page 351 of "The Man And His Ideas", Han Fook Kwang , Warren Fernandez, Sumiko Tan, Marshall Cavendish International (Asia) (August 7, 2015)
@81sgfatboy
3 жыл бұрын
These are groundless and stupidity debate by PSP wasting tax payers money should be removed from the parliament, Singaporean got no jobs is because of this endemic not because of foreign talent. Let ask the PSP if no foreign entering to Singapore will Singaporean work in these industries such as restaurants, domestic maids, construction workers or others. Can you imagine a Singaporean work as maid monthly pay is only $700 after contributing to CPF how much we have? PSP please don't waste our tax payers money to make such groundless and stupidity debate in hand we should think on how to overcome this endemic problem.
@isaacchong4485
3 жыл бұрын
PSP will get ousted next GE.
@honourhume5906
3 жыл бұрын
Overconfidence sinks the ship. ;)
@cooltextwo493
3 жыл бұрын
Seems that LMW got checkmated to give a yes or no answer in the end
@jong798
3 жыл бұрын
Well played by Min Shan in a respectful manner. People are harping on Vivian's off-air comment but fail to see how disrespectful LMW is in wasting more than an hour in Parliament. Come on man. Look at Pritam's face. Even Mr Singh is wondering when will the nightmare end.
@wschin2802
3 жыл бұрын
The debate should make all Singaporeans benefited especially those unemployed and not otherwise for the seek of debating.
@cmliu1846
3 жыл бұрын
picking on words ... the speaker is supposed to be neutral?
@xjp
3 жыл бұрын
There isn't a straightforward yes or no answer. I would support FTA, but what if the terms spelt out were not in our favour? If you were a businessman, you would welcome FTA, for it brings lower tariffs and bigger markets. If you were a salaried worker, you would likely suffer a depressed wage and increased global competition. Many answers can't simply have a yes or no answer.
@cayotelives
Жыл бұрын
he has the gutts and confidence you got to give him that to take on a Lawyer like Sham
@jabezalantan6357
3 жыл бұрын
Such a bully
@jeangian1781
3 жыл бұрын
Mr Leong has been clear with his stand. Why must he give a Yes or No answer? Why can’t it be Yes, but there are areas which are not fit for support?
@BeachBoi1000
3 жыл бұрын
True. He shouldn't be forced to give a Yes or No answer.
@diesopain260
3 жыл бұрын
Looks like you all don’t know what this parliament session is about. Its the public hearing of leong mun wai on whether he is racist/xenophobic or not. 😏
@justfair7399
3 жыл бұрын
First he say yes. Then he asked for the question again. Not attentive and not prepared.
@jeangian1781
3 жыл бұрын
This is not a courtroom to judge on a person being racist or xenophobic. This is parliament to DISCUSS issues relating to policies for the benefit of ALL SINGAPOREANS & their visitors. NOT TO SOLICIT GROUNDS TO PENALISE AN ELECTED MP/NCMP
@justfair7399
3 жыл бұрын
But he was seen to be an untruthful witness who couldn't make up his mind on positions he took.Flip flop and caught many times. If you are firm and committed, then you can answer with a straight face
@nazscal
3 жыл бұрын
The speaker? which side are you on. The question? This is just a trap question with 2 person bullying the guy without given him the real statistics and force him to say yes or no.Nobody can force he or she to like someone without any reason to be like.The reason is not racist but simply there to much foreigner taking our own people job and if our people get the job they will be pay lower instead.Come on this is Singapore with high price to pay and we not sending any money home to make us richer. This already happen for 20years and nothing changes
@deschan2246
3 жыл бұрын
What leong said is not incorrect !!! Address it , instead of grilling and playing with words. PAP wins in home ground everytime, it does not change anything or imply they win or get any support from the public !!!!
@diesopain260
3 жыл бұрын
This is the public hearing of LMW whether he is racist / xenophobic. Prosecutors are law minister and mr speaker. LMW is self representative. I think he need to have a defense attorney 😏
@justfair7399
3 жыл бұрын
If he speaks the truth, it would be easy.He was evasive and slimy
@diesopain260
3 жыл бұрын
@@justfair7399 who you are referring to LMW, law minister, mr speaker or all three of them.
@justfair7399
3 жыл бұрын
@@diesopain260 I am referring to LMW. He stood there dumbfounded for many occasions. Sad to watch. His conscience is burdening him. Say yes then change and say yes again and ask can you repeat the question? Sad to watch.
@taeyeonist1462
3 жыл бұрын
@@soreeyez you are pathetic. This was blatantly bullying. You can agree that fruits are good for a healthy diet in general, but not all fruits are good, they need to be examined on a case by case basis. Everyone's health profile is different and not every fruit is good for everyone
@taeyeonist1462
3 жыл бұрын
@@soreeyez sweeping , baseless and false accusations with no evidence. Expected of a pathetic IB
@itan1759
3 жыл бұрын
Folks who do not eat at hawker centers, take public transport, live in public housing of differing demographics, attend neighourhood schools.... except for photo-ops, designs & draws out policies for those who do can be rather painful.
@eddieleong6490
3 жыл бұрын
I miss those days of JBJ. He could hold LKY's feet to the fire, spent hours on debates. In fact Parliamentary debate rules and time limitations came about because JBJ held on to the podium for hours? Or what about the legendary David Marshall? Oh, those were the days. Agree or disagree, we have to say those were real debates. Today other than Shanmugam and the Prime Minister, I will say most of the MPs are not that skilled in debates. Parliament has become boring. I love to watch the UK Parliament, the arms waving, the thrust and parry of their Parliamentary debates. To be a Prime Minister of UK means you must have that quality of being a vigorous debater. Does not matter if you say the truth or semi-truth etc. It is about jumping to your feet to shout back if you have too, to produce some theatrics and yet enjoy a hearty laughter once in a while. It is fun when good debaters go at each other....good clean fun. That is UK. UK Parliament is so entertaining.
@eyeswideshut8110
3 жыл бұрын
Drip...drip....drip..it is shocking that PAP allows this issue to keep driving the news cycle. Now most Singaporean know or are curious about this. BAD MOVE, whoever is advising PAP on tactics. Whoever invokes Nazis and Facism have lost the narrative. The political advisers sld be fired right away.
@tempcroupier8960
3 жыл бұрын
This is not the video you are looking for.
@jasonbruce3481
3 жыл бұрын
We should send PSP Leong to FULL Elected MP in next election!!
@vfopiejcod7575
3 жыл бұрын
pap playing racist card LOL
@CutleryChips
3 жыл бұрын
“If you have not enough information, are you supporting or not supporting?” 🤔
@0157matt
3 жыл бұрын
More information is required. Yes that is the issue.
@pohcs5913
3 жыл бұрын
Simply can't understand why ministers keep on disqualified our Singaporean children they graduated from NUS which top range no.11 global UNIVERSITY..are not talented if they compare more than range 200 global UNIVERSITY of India Indians ..if ministers are qualified they gratuatedfro NUS become ministers..
@ln6593
3 жыл бұрын
If NUS is fantastic, where is the 100s of Fortune 500 companies created by these NUS alumnis ? I know Grab, oh but wait a minute it was created by a Malaysian. Lol
@hilo4110
3 жыл бұрын
@@ln6593 This is sad, this shows that our MOE are not doing a great job
@ynwa3721
2 жыл бұрын
Pritam Singh should be there instead of Leong
@shafiesaaban4480
3 жыл бұрын
1st of all dont answer a question with a question Shanmugam..2nd doesnt matter whether Leong support or not...the debate wont happen of Leong support it right?? Stop going around the bushes Mr Govt..we want invicible answer..!
@shafiesaaban4480
3 жыл бұрын
beating*
@praveenrc7227
3 жыл бұрын
PSP did not come prepared. They should place a more competent speaker to place forth their points and ask relevant questions. Their credibility has gone down the gutter with this exchange. They could have done better. There are many points that can be raised in a constructive manner and with stats to back up claims.
@richardwong1965
3 жыл бұрын
I hate Indian food. So you gonna sue me??
@albertwang5349
3 жыл бұрын
Give us the data??!! pls.. give us the data?!
@coffeebreaks6588
3 жыл бұрын
The speaker of parliament is Very Very Rude!!!
@lazadaaleclazada1755
3 жыл бұрын
They can be big bully because their boss is a big bully to his family so how the boss behave,they also behave like that lah..
@irumbukkaimayaavi1309
3 жыл бұрын
The debate is on interpretation of the CECA text as Mr.Shanmugam has said. Then why he insists that Mr.LMW should pin point the location of the text in the document ? Further, Interpretation of the text depends on the past history and that's exactly why Mr.LMW asked for data from 2005. If historically, foreigners have had free flow (with or without any legal document), then it is sensible for a person to interpret the document as facilitating the free flow.
@taeyeonist1462
3 жыл бұрын
debating the text of a legal document, as a non-lawyer, with one of the best lawyers in the land ........ def not a wise move to begin with. Pick the battles you can win. The issue is not with the trade deal or its terms. The issue lies with the labour market control policies (or lack thereof) Debate economics, not the law, and you get an easier opponent than Shanmugam. See how Jamus fights his battles, mostly economics focused, not law.
@sabareesan7708
3 жыл бұрын
What I fear is complacency. When things always become better, people tend to want more for less work.” - Lee Kuan Yew
@daryllee3894
3 жыл бұрын
For everyone questioning the neutrality of the speaker of parliament, and the tactics that our dear Minister is employing in pressuring a yes/no answer on a complex issue like FTAs, you are right in questioning. But then again, was there EVER a question as to whether these clowns will rise above such tactics in our lovely country’s politics? The answer is, unfortunately, no! Your vote for them gave them the mandate to continue on their arrogant stance! If you fell thought for once that they were moving to more inclusivity/listening-to-the-people when they introduced a whole new slate of candidates in 2020, then I’m sorry to be the one informing you that you fell for it, since the loudest voices in parliament in their camp have not changed. Nonetheless, one year down, 4-ish more to go. You can learn from that and vote for a better Singapore the next time round!
@dl703
3 жыл бұрын
To all PAP supporters, just look at the type of MInisters and their bullying, condescending attitude you have put in Parliament. Mr.Leong was asking a legitimate question about CECA yet, Shanmugan was twisting it into a racial question which wasn’t the case! How then is PAP going to protect the livelihood of local Singaporeans, many whom have already their jobs directly or indirectly caused by CECA?
@Rakesh06
3 жыл бұрын
He is not able to express in English may be and that shouldn’t be a problem! If he is comfortable in Chinese I think parliament should allow that and use translators for non-Chinese speakers to respond ? he wants to share his views, this can’t be like a binary answer support or not to support!
@deschan2246
3 жыл бұрын
Who r u to judge?
@eyeswideshut8110
3 жыл бұрын
He can use Japanese
@jaredho1157
3 жыл бұрын
@@eyeswideshut8110 call himself a Singaporean when he cant articulate in English. Seriously from RI? Joker
@eyeswideshut8110
3 жыл бұрын
@@jaredho1157 Nope, he is not a joker. You do not have the courage he has, period. I did not vote for PSP nor endorse their angle, but I do not see how you get to call him a joker.
@jaredho1157
3 жыл бұрын
@@eyeswideshut8110 🤣🤣🤣
@ongernie7216
3 жыл бұрын
Topic change from FDA to racist.
@MarcO-rw9gw
3 жыл бұрын
i also confused about confusions.
@ashunknown9728
2 жыл бұрын
PSP power la
@posmanjames8343
3 жыл бұрын
Under employment singapore speak to me shamugam I think he got no sense... Don't let Mr lleong bullied in parliment
@mariantia926
3 жыл бұрын
The life cycle of a policy or law is always from the law itself, the outcome will be number or figures , we need to trace number more meaningful than tracing the law. Law is wording can be twisted but Number will tell the truth more precisely or accurately. To explain law wording, use number to explain the outcome of that law to bring everyone on the same wavelength to understand and observe the outcome. It won't liar..
@kenghonglee124
3 жыл бұрын
i still remember khaw ever said during japanese will harakiri if they done or say something stupid.. Vivian. prove to us that you are a MAN... Harakiri...
@qq_qq_qq
Жыл бұрын
The Speaker regulates and enforces the rules of debate. They decide who has the right to speak, and put the question for Parliament to debate on and vote. The Speaker does NOT take part in the debates, but can abstain or vote for or against a motion if they have a vote, as an elected MP.
@qq_qq_qq
Жыл бұрын
sounds like tiktok ceo in US congress hearing, yes or no...... haha
@ramlanomar988
3 жыл бұрын
Electrician , safety officer etc jobs had been taken by so call foreign talent. Even receptionist. What else the government try to give excuses.
@matthewchiayongxuan2251
3 жыл бұрын
try wearing the shoes of someone who is in charge of looking for people who are looking to do these jobs, ITS REALLY HARD TO FIND
@ramlanomar988
3 жыл бұрын
@@matthewchiayongxuan2251 Realiti is employer n government in win2 situation. Employer pay less salary n government charge levy. Singaporean losing jobs.
@7eeYeaH
3 жыл бұрын
In a neutral party’s view, LMW does not present facts to support his claims, which is disappointing when the debate is actually taking place in Parliament. A well prepared argument will earn him credibility but unfortunately, he sounds more like a disgruntled uncle.
@xjp
3 жыл бұрын
It's not easy to dig up the numbers. And it would be far easier to challenge your facts if you didn't prepare the numbers well. Till now I believe some still can't distinct a resident and a non resident, when interpreting those statistical numbers.
@user-ijh7tl5ie3
3 жыл бұрын
Can i say tht leong hs to ask for MORE data bcos some data r not published? Right or not? Why dun U go n gather all the facts n data lah. If u can do that n say confidently u hv ALL the data, so no need to come parliamt n ask for data, then i hv nothing more to say. We want to see n know the data. Data data data.
@user-ijh7tl5ie3
3 жыл бұрын
Without complete data, how to ask any any one or oppo parties to come out with facts n solutions?
@jong798
3 жыл бұрын
ignore the goondus (one of them is literally named "goondu" so no stereotype) that replied you. LMW never do any homework for HIS OWN motion and just smoking his way through. So you're completely right. He does sound like a disgruntled uncle and if I may, his part is a party of disgruntled uncles any way. Call a spade a spade, call a goondu a goondu, call an uncle an uncle. Cheers.
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