As I, more or less, said on Paul's channel, "Hallo, I'm Julian and this is my friend Sandling". But seriously this is a great plan and I hope Paul has the stamina to complete it! The layout has all the potential to show off Paul's collection of engines, and also provides some rather exciting complexity from a scenic point of view. Your software tutorial was realy clear and explained it all pretty well. Nice work. Don't mind if I do…
@StationRoadModelRailway
Жыл бұрын
This layout endeavour has really got Paul fired up so I think we'll see lots of enthusiasm and industry from Paul's channel as the Sandling layout takes shape.
@schadowolf
Жыл бұрын
Great video and yes, would love to see more tutorials/info you glean from RailModeller Pro.
@walleesix-o-nine6432
10 ай бұрын
Yep, we need more 🤠
@andrewstevenson5449
Жыл бұрын
That's a cracking track plan for Paul's very odd space.
@BorderTerrier-yk2hw
11 ай бұрын
Thank you, an excellent video clearly presented. I built my first plan before seeing it, and am now able to finesse the various work arounds I used! I have built my plan to enable me to reach over my baseboard. In my first build, I was unable to access parts of the track, which proved to be a pain when maintaining track or rolling stock.
@monham5041
Жыл бұрын
Interesting to see the software in use Julian. Track plans are one way of laying out your concept. I think it depends on your budget, level of creativity and your space requirements as to whether you'd consider using them. For many of us who buy second hand track, the approach can be quite different. In our case the trial and error approach utilising whatever track you have in your collection of bits seems to work best. I havent even considered track plans for any of my 5 layouts. All my layouts are island types and can be removed easily though due to space restrictions. Looking at you 1.2x2.4 layout a 4th radius is too large for that size board. I read somewhere that you should try to avoid ovals parallel to the board edges wherever possible. Planning complex, multi level base board arrangements is obviously where the planning becomes more of a necessity. Although, if you know how much space your end curves need you can still use the trial and error approach by knowing your minimum board size requirements. Each to their own. There are many ways to skin a cat, type scenario. Buying a software licence for a single use still seems like a bit of a hard pill to swallow for those on a smaller budget. You could get an extra loco for that price that you'd get a lifetime of use out of. Thanks for sharing how this works though. Mon from Monsville Railways
@StationRoadModelRailway
Жыл бұрын
There certainly is a multitude of methods when it comes to planning a layout, and in many cases, it's not necessary to use track planning software. However, in the case of Paul's layout and his very unusual room shape, the track planning software comes into its own. I couldn't image how difficult it would be to plan the layout in situ through trial and error.
@AndrewH561
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for a really interesting video. I think the track plan is excellent (though maybe with a couple of tweaks in the harbour / industrial area to allow for shunting?). I mainly use a Mac and have been 'playing' with RailModeller Pro for a while, I've also tried AnyRail on a Windows PC and both programs seem to do the job :-) At the moment I am trying to plan for a new layout in my garage. I have around 3m x 4m to play with. My main focus is to have trains running continually (i.e. looping) but I am also hoping to include a fairly large fiddle yard so perhaps will have multiple layers (e.g. fiddle yard underneath the main scenic area perhaps using helix).
@StationRoadModelRailway
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Andrew. I'm guessing you'd be familiar with Charlie's layout, Chandwick Model Railway? He's building his layout much as you've described with full lower-level fiddle yards accessed by twin helixes.
@AndrewH561
Жыл бұрын
Hi Julian. Yes I’ve seen Charlie’s layout. Unfortunately I don’t seem to have as much space as Charlie so I may have to go for 2nd/3rd radius helix but I think it will work and means I can have a decent sized fiddle yard. By the way thanks for all the great tips on using Railwaymodeler.
@kitchenhamfarm
Жыл бұрын
Hi Julian nice layout for the space provided don't know where but a passing loop on branch line will add even more playability which would allow two emu/dmu's to run in shuttle mode
@banggotyoujunctioncarlbraund
Жыл бұрын
Great look into d designing a layout on a planning track system. Look forward to seeing how the layout comes together. I know Paul has a lot of locos, so would a cartridge system would work on the one track by the office, just a thought. Bye for now, stay safe, take care, and have fun.
@StationRoadModelRailway
Жыл бұрын
A cartridge system could be a possibility, thanks for the suggestion🙂
@arthurthorpe5445
Жыл бұрын
Very detailed explanation of the software. I used Scarm but found when I came to lay my track I wasn't happy with the result and ended up changing it as I went along ! but it was still useful to use the software to check if the curves and points fitted correctly within my baseboard size. I have followed Paul at Sandling for a few years and he is very good at the 'arty' side of modelling but and I don't think he would mind me saying this his electronics and wiring techniques are a little let's say basic. We all have to learn new skills with this hobby which makes it all the more interesting. Looking forward to more from you and Paul on this project cheers Arthur
@StationRoadModelRailway
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Arthur. I'm expecting the layout design will have a fluid nature when it comes to laying the track, so as you say, the software plays a initial part in checking if it all fits. Paul's an exceptional fine artist, and this does come through in his model making work. I, myself, struggle wrapping my head around the electrical side of things.
@monsvillerailways5736
Жыл бұрын
Yeah. It's not as cold on this side of the ditch as where you are at night Julian, but the garage still gets down to 7 Degrees Celsius at night. And when there is a breeze it feels even colder. So I'm with you on finding other projects at the moment. Looking forward to warmer days and nights. Happy Modelling. 🥶 Mon
@vincenthuying98
Жыл бұрын
Dear Julian, the issue with the 90° curved smart connection calculates for easement of the curve. It’s not necessarily incorrect, it must be another setting. In my humble opinion it’s a kind of smart feature, especially when one is keen on installing easements into the curves, because they make the bends look much more prototypical. In Anyrail it is very easy to make curves from Flextrack, there’s a drag and drop for every piece of flex, by clicking right (or left) the quick settings can be approached, amongst which the radius of the curve can be set. Cool vid. Just recently was wondering to add RailModeler to my tools. Happy to hear mr. Sandling is back on track. Think you both got a great plan for the footprint of Paul’s model railroad. For the scenic section I would recommend using the easements into the curves. At least those that are visible. It will make the running trains look much better. Cheerio
@henrybest4057
Жыл бұрын
An "easemented" curve is also known as a transitional curve. That's what is used on 12":1' scale railways wherever possible.
@StationRoadModelRailway
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Vincent. The only issue I would find with an 'easement' or transitional curve (as Henry has mentioned) is the radius becomes tighter at the apex. By calculating the curve at a constant radius we can be sure the radius doesn't dip below minimum radius. I found another function in Railmodeller Pro where you can make a straight section of flexi track curved at a set radius which creates a constant radius rather than a transitional radius.
@henrybest4057
Жыл бұрын
@@StationRoadModelRailway Is Railmodeller Pro not able to tell you what the minimum radius of a curve is? Can you set a minimum radius, so that it warns you if you go below the minimum?
@StationRoadModelRailway
Жыл бұрын
@@henrybest4057 I'm not sure, I will investigate🙂
@timsully8958
Жыл бұрын
Hi Jules, first off thanks for the introduction to the software. I m still not sure I need progress from my paper and pencil just yet but it does strike me as a good idea once I have an idea worth developing! 🤓 As for the plan, it does seem to offer a lot of interest but I wonder if there is a way of utilising the space on the large board better 🤔 Of course, I haven’t come up with anything myself yet, so I can’t suggest anything concrete just yet, but there are a few things which weren’t entirely clear on the plan in the absence of a key if you see what I mean 😉 If you don’t mind, I’ll maybe have a think and see what I come up with over the weekend and I’ll email it to you or send you a PM on messenger 😊 I did really like the look of that rough sketch though. Reminded me a bit of a couple of places in East London that have sadly been at least partly demolished now 😎 Cheers mate, have a great weekend 🍻👍🍀
@StationRoadModelRailway
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Tim and by all means, send through your thoughts/ideas. I'd class the current rendition of the layout as semi-fluid in that the yard/depot area still needs fine tuning. The track is mostly just plonked there to gauge what would fit within the area.
@timsully8958
Жыл бұрын
@@StationRoadModelRailway: OK mate 🙂 I still make up a scale model in card (about 1:10) before I even cut a plank just to be sure I am happy with the basic dimensions 😄 All this PC wizardry is still beyond me for now, though that will change once we have moved and have room for a dedicated pc 😉
@user-vq9jb5zx8p
Жыл бұрын
Hi Julian. One way to get more space is to replace the entrance doors with sliding doors, or have them swing outside the railway room. Also I have found that having curves transition directly on to a point/switch can sometimes cause problems with buffer lock and/or bogie derailing for steam locos. A short piece of straight between the curve exit and the point eliminates this problem.
@StationRoadModelRailway
Жыл бұрын
I suggested a sliding door to Paul, but he didn't fancy his chances of passing this by his wife😲
@Teesbrough
Жыл бұрын
Hi Julian and Paul, Having watched both videos (Paul’s last thing at night, this one first thing in the morning!), I’m highly excited with your combined progress on the plan. If you check back on the comments for Paul’s previous video where, Julian, you offered your help, you’ll see I suggested a figure of 8 design so I’m especially pleased you’ve been able to make that idea come alive. What’s immediately evident is the echoes of both Station Road and Sandling Junction 1 in this design, indicating the collaboration is working very well. Therefore, I’m reluctant to offer too many suggestions. My one critique, though, would be to ask you to take a fresh look at the crossovers from the main to the two sets of branch lines. In prototypical operational terms, moving, say, a freight train from Point A to B, you’ll see it’s not currently possible to send a train from the blue to yellow sidings, only in reverse direction. Personally, I would be nervous about installing a crossover on the bottom level of your tri-level bridge. In the real world, I think the civil engineers would be worried about how to replace such a crossover there too. One solution might be to look at the track layout on either side of the station. One might expect the bay platform to be accessed easily from both main line tracks, as well as from the branch. Perhaps it’s an optical illusion but the bay platform seems it could accommodate more coaches than the opposite main line platform, which would be curious. Although the main platforms don’t need to be too long, they ought to be able to fit one of Paul’s 4-car CEPs. The bay could be much shorter, maybe for a 2-car train only, and possibly between the two main platforms as at Oldham Mumps. disused-stations.org.uk/o/oldham_mumps/index.shtml Nevertheless, it’s a fantastic concept and explores many of the design issues I’ve had with my own nascent layout. Hopefully I’ll be releasing first shots of that work in progress to the world early next month. You can be sure it owes much to both your own works and that of a few other KZitemrs whom I follow avidly. Looking forward to seeing how this project develops.
@StationRoadModelRailway
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the wonder feedback and suggestions, this is exactly what I was hoping to receive to help fine tune the layout and how train operations might take place. We'll definitely be taking onboard your suggestions.
@PaulSmith-pl7fo
Жыл бұрын
Hi Julian. This is a very innovative and interesting layout; I can't wait to see it take shape. Just to play devil's advocate: it is technically possible to run AnyRail on a Mac. You would, of course, have to run Windows on the Mac in a virtual machine. I understand that this may be too complicated for many Mac users, but I thought I might put it out there. I use AnyRail (at a very basic level) and think that Railmodeller Pro has a few very useful features lacking in AnyRail. Using the Option key to copy track elements in Railmodeller Pro is quick and easy; in AnyRail you need to click, copy and paste. The snap-together track feature in AnyRail is a little nicer.
@StationRoadModelRailway
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Paul. Technically it is possible to run AnyRail on a Mac. If you have an Intel Mac, Bootcamp allows Windows to be installed. The new M series Macs (M1 and so on) can't run Bootcamp, but there's possibly emulation software to get around this.
@neilharbott8394
Жыл бұрын
I did hear, many years ago, that flex track does provide a more realistic appearance to curves, by allowing for a slightly gradual turn-in to max radius, rather than the setrack way of going from dead straight to full curve. Maybe that is what the software is trying to do when you try to plot a 90deg curve with free-form flex track insert? Of course it might be nice to be able to turn the feature on and off - if I'm building it all in flex, maybe I want the curves looking smooth, but if I want 5th+ radius with setrack then the unrealistic curve is desirable.
@StationRoadModelRailway
Жыл бұрын
The only issue I would find with an 'graduating' or transitional curve is the radius becomes tighter at the apex. By calculating the curve at a constant radius we can be sure the radius doesn't dip below minimum radius. I found another function in Railmodeller Pro where you can make a straight section of flexi track curved at a set radius which creates a constant radius rather than a transitional radius.
@derekalexander4030
Жыл бұрын
I’m sorry for you that it was too cold to do modeling but it’s a win win for us. I’ve been waiting for someone to do a tutorial on Railmodeler. I use a MacBook Pro and everything else is made for windows. Thanks for doing this. Did you say that Anyrail worked with MacBook Pro?
@StationRoadModelRailway
Жыл бұрын
It is possible to run AnyRail on a Mac via Windows emulation software, or if you have an Intel Mac, via Windows installed on Bootcamp. I'm not too sure about the new M1, M2 etc Macs, I know Bootcamp is not compatible with these Macs.
@johnstephens649
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting video. PC based here so use AnyRail but can see the similarities. We will be moving house soon and starting to look at properties. Have been shying away from looking at houses with odd shaped rooms for The Great Staines Railway v2, however seeing your work here, with a bit of imagination maybe not such a worry!?
@StationRoadModelRailway
Жыл бұрын
Thanks John. Any shape room has its potential and possibilities, but a conventional rectangular or square room does make the planning phase easier.
@martinpattison1567
Жыл бұрын
I watched Paul's channel for a long time and when he said that he was going to tear it all down after all the time he had spent building it, and I had not even started to build mine I just could not believe it, but I am glad to see that he had missed. playing with Trains. and is making a new layout with your help. Question. How do I go from zero to 5 inches? in the shortest distance, but still, maintain a slope that is manageable with express locos and coaches? It would be in a straight line. Martin. (Thailand) But flying to England tomorrow as my father passed away last week at the grand old age of 91.
@StationRoadModelRailway
Жыл бұрын
Hi Martin, so sorry to hear about your father, 91 is certainly a good innings. If I use the Woodland Scenics guide for the incline sets, a 2% grade to reach 5" in height would take 20 feet, 3% would take 15 feet and 4% would take 10 feet.
@henrybest4057
Жыл бұрын
One thing you seem to have missed is a "run round" facility in the goods yard, industrial sidings (yellow line) and terminus station. Easily solved with a crossover in each.
@StationRoadModelRailway
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Henry, definitely noted.
@neiloflongbeck5705
Жыл бұрын
You could just use propelling movements only in the scenic area on the freight only line.
@KenN.OXN.805
Жыл бұрын
You didn’t mention xtrackcad. Think it’s an open source that runs on windows, Mac (using x11?), and Linux.
@KingdomMetazoa
5 ай бұрын
I've tried but cannot get it to run on macOS Sonoma 😞
@KenN.OXN.805
5 ай бұрын
@@KingdomMetazoayou’ve tried installing the latest xquartz 2.8 first? It’s supposed to support Apple silicon Macs.
@KenN.OXN.805
5 ай бұрын
@@KingdomMetazoadid you install the latest version of XQuartz first? It’s supposed to support Apple silicon Macs.
@philipgreenhill1853
11 ай бұрын
Hi philip here me and my girlfriend are doing my own railway layout simler to yours is that ok let me no
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