Geez. I liked the clipped sound. For some reason that makes me feel bad.
@buckycore
3 жыл бұрын
There's all this weird dogmas in the audio production field that totally discounts style and tastes. I have a fatty collection of all these tape plugins to make my mixes sound they were done on old.schopl 4 track cassettes or book boxes. While this is extreme and I'm using it almost to convey an era, I do greatly enjoy that 80s/90s demo sound and want even if not always that intense. So just go with what sounds and feels right. But it's good to learn the conservative *clean and proper* way, just so you have it as another tool in your tool chest
@SonicAutocracy
3 жыл бұрын
It didn't worry these young guys. The console clipping on drums and guitars to out of control!!! kzitem.info/news/bejne/x4Bv2Imwgn-UjYY
@Tryggvasson
3 жыл бұрын
i like the clipping sound, and that makes me feel good.
@OnyinyechukwuBoma
3 жыл бұрын
I preferred it too
@ettiennelane9173
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, we all belong to clipper club.
@moskva-kassiopeya
3 жыл бұрын
In the latest example clipper sounded more "open" while limiter sounded more "squashed". It really depends on the algorithms of each plugin, the audio it applies to and settings such as threshold and etc..
@ettiennelane9173
2 жыл бұрын
This is relative to the LUFS you are aiming for. If you are mastering for Spotify a limiter should be fine. If you are mastering for CD or Radio, a clipper is better in my opinion. For a LOUD master (Radio or CD) a mastering limiter will always (without fail) push down the transients of the drums. This is very noticeable since the drums sound softer. This is a massive problem if the mastering engineer will use a limiter instead of a clipper. Waves should've given the LUFS of the examples to place things in perspective. An LUFS of -12 vs an LUFS of -8 will make these tests sound totally different.
@zimmedia263
3 жыл бұрын
Hie Waves Why Did you strike my channel with copyright l didn’t use any of your video but you submitted strike against my video
@ErreGamer
3 жыл бұрын
Love this "shorts" and straight to the point videos, keep up the good work!
@dancooperwaves3685
3 жыл бұрын
Will do, thanks for the positive comment!
@Ben-cg8qk
3 жыл бұрын
me too great vid!
@DaVoskDocta
3 жыл бұрын
For me secret for loudness is : balanced mix/ clipping / bus compression / saturation and limiting combined with taste and general producing skills. And it comes with experience. And of course there is meta question : do we still need loud masters in era of normalized loudness on streaming services ? Question is open. But i remember what pensado said about loudness too.
@TheMonkBeatsOne
3 жыл бұрын
please quote pensado, and where, thx. Never heard his ideas about that.
@DaVoskDocta
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMonkBeatsOne into the lair #167
@TheMonkBeatsOne
3 жыл бұрын
@@DaVoskDocta thanks, will grab a beer for you and watch that. 🤙
@lighterwaves5659
3 жыл бұрын
balanced mixes are a thing of the past, the sound changed, n so has everything in the chain you suggested. its really clipping and saturation the out of balanced mixes need...bus compression and limiting impossible...currently.
@lighterwaves5659
3 жыл бұрын
@Muse Axe Backing Tracks loudness to me is out of balance, well balanced is what would make u need the bus compression n limiting. so u right...but its only cause ur mixes are balanced in the first place, that makes those steps necessary. Jay n Bey different from doja cat n lil baby.
@MohammedMehdiTBER
2 ай бұрын
I short, use a clipper for a stem. A limiter for a mix because a clipper can indeed crush the sound and you don't want that on a whole mix except if you have some kind of transparent clipper.
@soundunitz
Ай бұрын
Liking this train of thought here
@Tryggvasson
3 жыл бұрын
clipiiiiing! i would use limiters more for technical purposes, for containing material, or consolidating it, but musically, on a master, on clean, sterile stuff, clipiiiiiiiiing. you don't have to overdo it, either. love these concise, clear, to the point, yet complete videos.
@bluenoise875
10 ай бұрын
honestly i heard no difference....
@5adb0i
2 жыл бұрын
I definitely prefer the sound of Clippers; however I utilize both. The end of my chain is the T Racks Clipper which is variable between soft and hard clipping to tame some of the transients before hitting my final limiter, the L1+ set to True Peak. A little bit (or a lot, depending on the song) of both really helps finish off the track.
@auggiebendoggy
Жыл бұрын
IK's Stealth is so freaking good!
@PALMLINES
Жыл бұрын
This 👏 Ozone 9 EQ, T-Racks Clipper, L2 limiter (I’ve always preferred the sounds of this limiter).
@ProdKamoReef
2 жыл бұрын
At the end of the day producers, just do whatever sounds the best to you
@MKD371
3 жыл бұрын
Using a bit of soft clipping before limiting works well. Soft clipping is not too dissimilar to passing a signal through or on to tape, tape smooths out the transients slightly, which is worth noting. So, even out the transients slightly, for greater rms levels, the bring the level up slightly with a finalising brick wall limiter - is a good combo.
@lxvesick2267
2 жыл бұрын
what about limiting before clipping?
@MKD371
2 жыл бұрын
@@lxvesick2267 It wouldn't make sense to do that. If you are going to use a clipper it will be to get a higher ceiling level, but then you would need to limit, helping and making sure you don't digital exceed 0. So by softening the transient spikes you can push into the limiter gaining a few db's. You can place a limiter earlier in the chain of levelling things, but clipping in turn, would be to maximise the level in conjunction with the limiter. Otherwise it would defeat the purpose.
@jonathanbyrdmusic
3 жыл бұрын
On acoustic drums, I’m always shocked at the increase in perceived loudness- and decrease in metered dynamic range- when I phase align all the mics. That said, I REALLY loved this quick easy comparison. The limiter was beautifully punchy on the drum track, and I preferred the clipper on the later mix.
@seemoreinsight
3 жыл бұрын
Great video. For the Infected Mushroom song at the end I actually preferred the limiter. I love extra bite that the clipper gave, but it made the snare sound a hair too loud in this case. I guess it just depends on what kind of sound you're going for in the end. Edit: Sorry, just realized Infected Mushroom is the plugin, not the artist! Sounds killer!
@jeevesmakingnoise
10 ай бұрын
Same thought here! The clipper gave it a more aggressive tone overall but the limiter sounded a little bit cleaner with more room for the drums to breathe
@AuteriaWWinzerJr
2 жыл бұрын
In the last example, Clipper perceives more "punch" and "weight", whereas the Limiter sounded more "squashed" and "distorted". The difference is listening to the Snare.
@ljones2087
Жыл бұрын
The clipper made it seem louder but I wouldn't say it necessarily made it punchier. I'm surprised you found the limiting to be excessive, sounded appropriate to me.
@Brisbae
Жыл бұрын
I can barely hear the difference once the drums are masked by the instrumental. Sometimes I think we pour way too much attention into minute details that nobody in a million years is ever going to care about.
@Flashback_Jack
Жыл бұрын
I must be deaf. I rarely can hear the difference between original audio and processed audio.
@harryolive1853
2 жыл бұрын
why you didn't drive the clipper and limiter more aggressive.. so ppl can recognize the sound difference between..
@theopinson3851
Жыл бұрын
I actually find clippers to be cleaner if used very conservatively…I use them to cut out those crazy rogue peaks you get in acoustic drums. Limiters in the same context seem to take out the punch, but I love them on basses and electric guitars.
@adilmuzic
3 жыл бұрын
I use soft clipping before limiting on the master. And mostly Limiter on vocals for the glue and upface punch.
@049Studio
3 жыл бұрын
@georg walt why?
@millermottla
3 жыл бұрын
@@049Studio don’t listen to this gentleman 🙏🏼
@049Studio
3 жыл бұрын
@@millermottla Ahaha don’t worry, I was just wandering what’s the meaning of his comment
@pharaohonthetrack9544
3 жыл бұрын
@georg walt Limiter Sounds Good On Vocals it's a Must for me
@Thatnigacj
3 жыл бұрын
@@millermottla how can you say he’s wrong from him saying “he never needed” one. That’s like saying you never needed a flat tire.
@hummarstraful
Жыл бұрын
The clipper made me feel I was INSIDE the music. It's more intense but I liked it more.
@PALMLINES
Жыл бұрын
Why pick just one? Use a little clipping and hit it with a L2 on the end of the Master
@brettwheeler7793
3 жыл бұрын
This was a great video! I’m a producer trying to learn more on the mixing side and one thing I’ve overlooked was thinking that both limiters and clippers should be used in just the mastering part… I feel like the limiters allow each element to breathe rather than the clipper that just smashes the sound down but I can definitely see uses for both. Thanks!
@Xylume
3 жыл бұрын
I like a clipper to shave off the tip of a rare occasional spike that usually only happens in a short part of an entire mix, then use the limiter to maximize or tune loudness.
@RiffLair
3 жыл бұрын
This video is a re-upload. I guess the 1st video was too loud?!
@JedBayes
3 жыл бұрын
I preferred original in most cases 🤷♂️
@crestlefloyd4271
2 жыл бұрын
Nice explained however It would have been great to explain about the 2 categories of clipping (soft/hard clipping)
@L.Lyubomirov
2 жыл бұрын
I very offten have the problem when putting Clipper on my master bus before the Limiter for final mastering...the Clipper always makes some minor distortion sounds to the Low end frequency,which i do not like at all .No matter if i use Softclip,i do no like this distiorions,maybe i am doing something wrong,i am not sure.
@BillGraper
3 жыл бұрын
I prefer a limiter over a clipper. I don't like the idea of clipping transients. I'd rather squash them a bit, so you can keep the integrity of the peaks.
@LohPro
5 ай бұрын
clipping works really well on drums or material that has excessive transients, which eat away precious headroom. you can often clip drums upwards of 4dB worth & still retain punch & the body of the drum, while gaining back extra headroom. even smaller amounts of clipping may not make a huge difference at track-level, but by the time everything is summed together at bus level, you'll find you'll have much more headroom on the master. also, pushing a signal harder through a clipper by adjusting its threshold to find just the right amount, can add that "bite" to the vocal or bass, as the signal pushes past the threshold & clipping begins to occur.
@100chuckjones
2 жыл бұрын
Im not sure what clipper you are referring to but clippers are much "LESS" aggressive of on the edges not "more". For example, most good clippers (Standard clip by SIR Tools) has a knee adjustment allowing you to set the ceilings gradual drop off. Limiters are harsh and in most cases square wave the signal (IE- brickwall).
@nurinakibarcelona2925
Жыл бұрын
In your mixing file you have to clip it first before exporting it and use a limiter for the mastering process the dynamics of the song will sound clean/loud
@hettovennik2887
3 жыл бұрын
Clipping sounded 'better' to be :-)
@waynecsmith5145
Жыл бұрын
Limiter - sound field had depth and slight distancing of the elements... fuller sounding...I would judiciously hard clip the drums and finalize with a Mastering Limiter over the hard mixed down track...JMO
@exootikkmusic
2 жыл бұрын
Of course you gonna like the clipper sound over the limiter it sound dull and boring that’s how you can tell when someone get la paid to sell a program that doesn’t do anything for you
@lukeshirtliff7861
Жыл бұрын
my logic limiter doesnt sound punchy but makes my snare and kick punch less and washy which sucks
@colomboisdoido
9 ай бұрын
For really bad clipping listen to JVKE "this is what heartbreak feels like".
@ElectronicCity715
Ай бұрын
A hardware rack or 500 series clipper? Do they exist? Where do I buy one?
@kourentzismspro
3 жыл бұрын
sorry, but I have never seen a limiter not cutting the peaks as you showed with clippers, maybe a gentle analog one. but I think you must reconsider your examples. analog, digital soft hard?
@Sayaka_saeki
2 ай бұрын
Why waves don't have single plugin clipper?
@musicforthemind3421
Жыл бұрын
Why when I'm using a limiter on my master, its adding low end harmonics??? I need something transparent so it doesn't add no unwanted extras??
@crisjohnalvarez6036
Жыл бұрын
Clipping, i saw this video because i ordered compressor pedal that have a clipping knob the keeley c4
@k4mgur
2 жыл бұрын
so thats the reason why all my tracks have fked drums after limiting. time for clipping action!
@MahmoudNader
3 жыл бұрын
Clippers all the way for metal music
@digitaltrash_
3 жыл бұрын
Always putting Clipper on Drum Buss!
@macksstheinvader9671
2 жыл бұрын
i find both sound good really depends on what sound your looking for and what your aming to do :)
@johnjhonny646
2 жыл бұрын
These days people abuse clippers to ruin the sound. Use it less. How to make the sound louder is elsewhere.
@stevewills735
3 жыл бұрын
I really like the dialog of this topic it is very subjective but I do wonder why waves and other big plugin makers all didn't rush to the clipping hype. It is a subtle yet interesting sonic journey that I go back and forth with. cheers!
@Rts22375
2 жыл бұрын
Soft clip them limit its not rocket science
@samuelromero4real
Жыл бұрын
Isn't it best to use both a limiter and clipper for your track, no?
@evsrax9556
3 жыл бұрын
Dont let the limiter be a crutch though! That is what the difference is.
@evsrax9556
3 жыл бұрын
Throw the limiter on the post but keeping it at 0db so no dynamics are lost is critical. (Especially on drums)
@vjmcgovern
10 ай бұрын
The clipper made the drums knock harder i think
@Quant-Beat
3 жыл бұрын
Correct me here, a clipper can if used properly increase loudness (insanely much if one wants) but keeps very much of the perceived dynamic range? Limiting will finally make the snare (and more) sounding like a pancaked snare, more 2D. Too much limiting also brings up the root notes (sometimes) to be too audible and it all sounds disastrous (also with the most transparent limiting possible, still the gain reduction does too much however transparent it is in all other regards).
@tylerdengler6960
2 жыл бұрын
Nailed it! I see a clipper as like a transient designer with saturation and distortion to help with the punch. Limiting isn’t always a bad thing, but you definitely don’t want to overdo it where it seems flat or 2D.
@Quant-Beat
2 жыл бұрын
@@tylerdengler6960 No it just clips in a better way than clipping on a channel/bus. Clipper is candy on percussion, to a great extent and can even improve the whole sense, then saving the limiting later. So clipper is a great way to keep the dynamic range but still increase loudness.
@tylerdengler6960
2 жыл бұрын
@@Quant-Beat that’s what I basically just said.
@Quant-Beat
2 жыл бұрын
@@tylerdengler6960 It has nothing to do with saturation and/or distortion.
@tylerdengler6960
2 жыл бұрын
@@Quant-Beat distortion means to reshape something and by clipping the peaks, you’re literally reshaping them. Hard clipping turns a sine wave into a square one.
@abcdubeatmaking
2 жыл бұрын
For me on drum bus we can use a soft clipper for have a best controle on the drum bus but for mastering the limiter stay the best tool ,after for house music or danse we can use a soft clipper and after a limiter for have the best controle of the dynamic of the sound It's an option to !!!!
@Dave-nm8uk
Жыл бұрын
I am biased. I really don't care - I think most mixes done with clipping or limiters sound rubbish - but I guess if the aim is to maximise loudness there may be a point. For head banging pop or EDM music - to be belted out at anti social levels in large arenas maybe there is a point. For really high quality sound dynamic range may be much more important - but it seems that commercially that's "not what people want". Once the dynamic range has been squashed, then quality goes and cannot be brought back. Side chain processing used carefully may reduce some of the problems in specific pieces - for example if a word sung by one or more singers is obscured and not clear, but simply maximising loudness does not seem to be a good way to produce high quality recordings.
@matenorth
11 ай бұрын
Music with hard clipping and/or limiting sound better on cheap sound systems while dynamic music sounds better on expensive/studied setups. Most people listen to music on phones lol or mono Bluetooth speakers with one full range speaker inside. Then, there is people listening on 2.1 PC speakers or crappy car systems. You mix for the majority of people, unfortunately. Also there is no midrange in modern music especially in EDM,they need to compensate for this by clipping to bring some energy.
@DiSTURBEDBLADe
Жыл бұрын
I like that song with the string
@billbull4924
3 жыл бұрын
I've been saying this for years waves please make a clipper plugin ☺️☺️
@qcgarcia
2 жыл бұрын
chkhld's "sine clipper" is awesome. you're welcome.
@nexis74
2 жыл бұрын
I second that!
@shevyjohn9308
9 ай бұрын
how would one implement clipping on the stems ? let’s say you got all your processing done like for example :eq -compression - maybe saturation then use a clipper last on the stem? like a drum stem and instrument stem ?
@virgilhughes7837
9 ай бұрын
You should experiment and see whatever sounds best. Using distortion/clipping on stems is not an issue. Same as applying it on a channel.
@jasabasenara8124
2 жыл бұрын
Clipper sounded better. How odd.
@PlaylistProductions
3 жыл бұрын
I like Clippers instead of Lakers but only because of Kawaii..
@gangsterdistrict1154
Жыл бұрын
What is waves clipping plugin?
@virusindigoindigovirus2870
3 жыл бұрын
Clip
@nikolaudio
2 жыл бұрын
Clipper quite literally are trading dynamic energy for harmonic content, whereas limiters with a release of 100ms or greater are just raising RMS, and usually are meant to maintain the original harmonic content but just to lessen dynamics.
@darioparisi6863
2 жыл бұрын
Thank u so much! I thought limites were more like clippers (maybe brickwall's one r Idk lol :,) ...) ! Now my songs seem more squashed and the dynamic range is smaller just like in the professional one's! I love u lol
@vidoemakenoke2424
3 жыл бұрын
Can you help me with this aanbieding perfect en attent Indie music Can you help me Dutch television program RTL4
@MrBlinkoR
2 жыл бұрын
Clipper is waaaay better tbh.
@4v4t4rmusic
10 ай бұрын
soft clip .... usually :)
@lintonlupahla1347
3 жыл бұрын
I prefer the clipper
@Crossfire2003
2 жыл бұрын
To be honest, in this example, the Clipper sounded better than the Limiter. I think there's a place for both, though, the Limiter is a "must" in general, while the Clipper is more for specific situations.
@MittensUK
3 жыл бұрын
Erm, that first cover picture, original signal, limited, clipped just looks wrong entirely. Not a good start to this one.
@BeautyLovesTech
2 жыл бұрын
the info in this video was so clear, accurate and concise! and with great illustrations! I like how you mentioned it all comes down to personal taste. One is never better than another in all cases! 🙏 excellent! Question: Do you think 'on-the-fly' limiters such as the ones you shown have exactly the same result as applying a limiter transformation effect in Audacity (transform with limiter before you playback, then playback)? I feel like limiter-transformed tracks register differently on the meters than on-the-fly limited tracks. 😕 Thank you
@clydesdead
Жыл бұрын
Killer video brotha, thank you 🤌🏽🤌🏽
@closedcircuitsports
3 жыл бұрын
Credit for the dj skills involved in getting those track samples to flow smoothly enough that you had to look at which sound was clipped or limited. The originals stood out without looking though. Great content!
@crownloops
2 жыл бұрын
We liked the clipping example better. The punch of the drums was more clearer.
@poldolino
2 жыл бұрын
well explained :)
@darlawkopx
Жыл бұрын
I like this video .❤
@marlowdurden5330
3 ай бұрын
I prefer limiters
@JRegoMusic
3 жыл бұрын
In the last comparison I liked the punch from the clipper, however I liked the clean sound from the limiter as well, and I would probably choose limiter in this situation based on my above perceptions for the best scenario to have the cleanest translation across other devices than what I'm currently hearing it on (earbuds).... Please let me know if anybody has any thoughts based on my own conclusion...🙏🏽💯🙏🏽 I'm only here to keep learning and appreciate any insight
@pharaohonthetrack9544
3 жыл бұрын
i love watching your videos, i hope i meet you and work with you some day #100
@yaoguangtang1759
Жыл бұрын
In your demo,I like the clipped sound.
@fressshclub
3 жыл бұрын
i would prefer the sound of clipping in this example! :D
@vidoemakenoke2424
3 жыл бұрын
Please help me Together In The Music World please
@Yurkinz
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for a video!
@eXpas04
Жыл бұрын
Great video mate, thank you!
@AlexeySolovievMusic
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome and very knowledgeable video Dan! Thank you so much!
@earledaniels4539
3 жыл бұрын
I prefer to use a Limiter to preserve and control the transients. Clipping always seems to be too harsh and dulls the track. Of course this is purely subjective as it depends on the audio material, the plugin you use and the settings.
@tylerdengler6960
2 жыл бұрын
Depends on how much you’re clipping the transients. A soft clipper smoothens out the peaks for more punch, in theory. Think about it like this, a clipper affects signal above the threshold clipping it where the limiter pushes down the peaks to bring up the rest of the signal where too much limiting could also dull out the track.
@correametal
3 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks! I prefer Limiting.
@harvicjm3551
3 жыл бұрын
verdaderamente, las dos funciones tienen un proposito. Bendiciones.
@royallyrics849
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 🙏
@intostudio4455
Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! Thank you!
@le-berry
10 ай бұрын
The picture does not represent the real differences. Not to forget there is no limiter vs clippers hence the actual synergy when used smartly and for the right purpose.
@spoombung
Жыл бұрын
I can't hear the difference to be honest...
@quenting4047
3 ай бұрын
Listen to the kick
@spoombung
3 ай бұрын
@@quenting4047 that's always the last thing I listen to!
@HenriRN
3 жыл бұрын
In general i like the more agressive aproach, clipping is right up my alley
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