Really enjoy your honest flying and the close camera work with your control inset - some of the best out there. Thanks!
@pokerchannel6991
Жыл бұрын
Hi: if I were still into rc or doing things in general, I would go for one of those very tiny timbers of the umx type. But, I don't get into things these days. lol cheers. ie: whenever I get an inkling to get back into soemthing, I just watch a lot of videos of that thing and realize that I really don't have a sustained interest to do any of it. So, videos like these really help. I get over it quickly. lol;
@cgcgcg69
3 ай бұрын
Thank you for this fantstic clip
@Viperdriver-F16
2 жыл бұрын
Wow Jon, as always your flying is very impressive and a joy to watch. You could fly a piece of wood and a prop and make it look great 😃
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
Haha, man, appreciate you - but a lot of what looks good is just a good airframe design with some quirks.
@tabdycollins
2 жыл бұрын
I've probably said it before. Well done for discounting this silly term 'tip stall'. In >40yrs as a professional aviator I've never heard the term until I connected with this hobby.
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
It's really rather annoying to hear, isn't it?
@artconn2538
Жыл бұрын
Your skills are crazy good! I like that you didn't edit out your mistakes as they do happen even to the best of them like you! ;) Thanks for this clip.
@johanopperman8039
2 жыл бұрын
Like always some excellent flying Jon. Thanks for sharing all your experience with us
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@shanehoule9477
2 жыл бұрын
Very impressive man sweet setup
@viciouschloe
2 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a video of all the setup you did on the Tx with mixes. Or if you could make the Tx file available for download :) Great info and flying!
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
Waaaaaay ahead of you, chief! kzitem.info/news/bejne/lKhv0niGjp5mdIo Setup is linked above and the description has the servos and transmitter files.
@brianbrissette9444
2 жыл бұрын
crazy cool tutorial, timber X is one of my fun to flies you have me wanting to push for more progress.. subscribed with first video! well done 🎉
@av8rjeff
2 жыл бұрын
Rolling Harriers ---> Goals!
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
If it helps to see how it's done, put the vid in 25% speed and you'll see the stick movements needed as the plane rolls.
@rcpilottony2338
2 жыл бұрын
I have the original Timber X green and white, and I use an APC 12x6 slow fly prop, and 4s 2200 60c battery. It makes hovering and other slow maneuver's easier to me anyways. I haven't tried elevator flaps for harrier flying, but I think I'll try that. Thanks Jon for that tip. Oh also I have changed out all the wing servo's to Corona 9g MG Digital, and put smaller main wheels, 3in DU-BRO, and commander aluminum landing gear.
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
I tried smaller wheels but didn't like how they looked at all.
@theflyingsandalrc
2 жыл бұрын
This is very cool. I may try this with my timber x
@derekterry4157
2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Amazing the way you can control the NTX. I have all but given up on mine. I have been bitten so many times by the stall tendencies of this plane due to my lack of ability to not stall the plane or recover from a stall. This is the only plane I have that I crash every time I take it out of SAFE. Still love it though. It looks amazing at night. I just need to fly it to my skill level.
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
If it's unstable it's probably just too tail heavy. It should fly really well with a bit of throttle and remembering not to bank too hard while pulling the elevator.
@phineasratshosa4982
2 жыл бұрын
Nice showmanship at the start there 🤣
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
You know me, man. Nothing but perfection over here.
@brookekathryn1980
2 жыл бұрын
She's a fun bird. When I got mine it flew like ass! Took some time to dial it in. Now she's a 3D beast! Sloppy, but still a beast!
@pokerchannel6991
Жыл бұрын
hi timbers are good.
@A.M.-RC
2 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this video for a while, your channel actually first caught my attention with a video of you flying this at the lake, many months ago. Glad I got a NTX too, you gave the best advice, just practice, and while my skills flying are maybe 1% of yours I'm glad to see I'm not the only one flipping it on landing 😀 Really curious to see what you think of the UMX version, can't wait to get mine.
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it buddy! I'm actually shooting the UMX Timber X vid right now. It'll go up soon.
@RCPlaneAddict
2 жыл бұрын
Jon, your flying is next level. I try to watch your hands on the sticks, but they are way to fast. I would love to see a video with you explaining some of you moves and what your doing with the sticks. Cheers.
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! While you wait, what I recommend doing is slowing the video down using KZitem's settings so you can view it at 25% or 50% speed. I'll make more in-depth content on this sort of performant flying in the future for sure.
@tabdycollins
2 жыл бұрын
Try putting full deflection Crowe mixed in with Throttle, so open throttle and Crowe reduces, closed throttle full Crowe. Great for landing. Brilliant for EOLs - flick throttle cut on then use throttle stick to control Crowe as you glide in to a perfect landing.
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
We'd need an 8ch receiver for that - definitely not something we'll do for this model.
@tabdycollins
2 жыл бұрын
@@TwoBrosRC I had one gathering dust!
@bodhescheerer1380
2 жыл бұрын
When doing a flat spin, do you have full span ailerons enabled? For me, it is almost impossible to enter a flat spin without the plane wanting to barrel roll when i copy your stick movements. With full span ailerons off, it is much easier. On that note, in a future video it would be great to see how to enter a flat spin. Seeing the stick movements is very helpful, but some commentary on how to set up the entrance would be great. Something else I’d love some commentary on is handling with and without floats. Where do you notice specific differences and how do you handle them? Finally, these videos are great. Keep doing what you’re doing.
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
Full span isn't needed to flat spin. It just helps flatten the spin out even more. The Turbo Timber Evo doesn't have FSA but it still flat spins really well because I fly with a mostly neutral CG. The key to flat spinning is to stall the model first. If it begins rolling, it's moving too fast. I am posting a float landing tutorial soon!
@bodhescheerer1380
2 жыл бұрын
@@TwoBrosRC got it thank you
@natureiser9289
2 жыл бұрын
When watching you bottom load it, the way you are holding it the veins on your both your wrists are exposed directly to the propeller, and the model is pointing directly towards you. If it were to start the motor on connection due to a malfunction or mistake with throttle cut you would have a serious problem. There is probably very little starting torque on the motor so it might be possible to rig something up to jam the propeller while loading it which would improve the safety.
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
Throttle is cut and the prop can't possibly hurt me that close to my arm. It wouldn't have enough time to spin up to a velocity to do anything other than bounce off. Appreciate the concern though!
@txkflier
2 жыл бұрын
@@TwoBrosRC I was kneeling in front of one of my electric planes after a flight one day when I set my transmitter down next to me and turned it off without thinking. That’s when my plane failsafed to full throttle and came at me. If I hadn’t been wearing blue jeans and a motorcycle jacket, the prop would have sliced up my arms and legs. It chewed up the sleeves of my jacket pretty good. Electric motors make a lot of torque from a standing start. My original mistake was not rebinding the receiver after setting up the plane. During the setup, I had reversed the throttle. It was embarrassing, but a teachable moment for our club members.
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. I've had that happen with a jet on the bench too. I don't mess with props unless their failsafe is set to throttle cut.
@txkflier
2 жыл бұрын
@@TwoBrosRC There’s a setting in the throttle cut menu that requires you to move the stick to idle before the throttle will work. The default setting is “No”, but I set it to “Yes” for all of my electric planes now.
@wellreally831
Жыл бұрын
very expected, that the accelerated stall is less critical with your snapflap configuration, since it would stall first on the flaps (similar to higher AOA), while the outer part of the wing still 'works' to stabilize the plane
@edwardmullen1581
2 жыл бұрын
You list three servos that you switch over to for the plane. What locations for three servos? I'm guessing the HS-85 mg is for the rudder?
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
tinyurl.com/B11DLS is what I replaced *all* of the servos with. HS-85s would be too big to fit into the model without extensive foam carving. Thanks for reminding me to update the description - I could've sworn I only added what I used here. Fixing it now.
@jimworley7385
2 жыл бұрын
Great flying as usual Jon! As I watch your fingers, I have to figure you have a fair amount of dual rate and expo built in to your flight configurations. I’m probably stating the obvious. Jim
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
Oh yes, 150% rates and about 60 to 70% expo.
@jimworley7385
2 жыл бұрын
Ahhh! I’ve been trying with less expo and much less success. 100 and 30-40 expo. I will kick this up a bit! Thank you for the quick response. 👍
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
@@jimworley7385 Consider going to 150% rates and maxing out control throws as well. 70% is what I'd start with. Get comfortable with it and slowly reduce the expo level to your preference. It'll be much more agile.
@jimworley7385
2 жыл бұрын
Will do! I’ll let you know my results. Thx!
@capnhardway
Жыл бұрын
So the question I have is can you reduce the expo to make it fly level, no 3d, or less 3d? Thank you fit your videos, always informative.
@TwoBrosRC
Жыл бұрын
Expo has no relation to 3D. It's just reducing the sensitivity of the stick.
@capnhardway
Жыл бұрын
@@TwoBrosRC thank you, I'll review your videos and check trim settings. It feels way too sensitive. My plane with my settings. What would you suggest for a beginners in 3D flying?
@TwoBrosRC
Жыл бұрын
@@capnhardway Increase expo until you're comfortable with how it's flying.
@todtalk3912
Жыл бұрын
Is there any difference between this and the green timber x?? Other than the obvious lights throughout the Night Timber x.
@TwoBrosRC
Жыл бұрын
They're identical aside from lights.
@dynomike11
2 жыл бұрын
Jon - excellent video! Question on the B11DLS servos - what horn do you use, since the included ones are shorter than what typically comes on the eFlite planes? I work with AGF on RC car servos and curious to know if you would find it useful to have plastic or very light aluminum arms with 19-20mm radius from center hole to outer-most linkage hole? Thanks, Mike
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
I use the same horns that came with the stock servos. They take a bit of work to fit on but eventually will fit if you jam them hard enough and use the servo screw to lock them in place.
@dynomike11
2 жыл бұрын
@@TwoBrosRC OK understood and glad that is working. I will see if I can get AGF to make a plastic arm or very light metal arm for the B11DLS that has matching spline.
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
@@dynomike11 I'd love some if you could get them to do that.
@JaidervillaTV
12 күн бұрын
Hello, what battery are you using how many amps? What you recommend 4s or 3s Thanks
@TwoBrosRC
11 күн бұрын
4s, 2200
@tristanbradford99
2 жыл бұрын
So jon, whats the cheapest TX i can get that can do all these custom configs? I have the dx6e right now.
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
The NX8 or 10 should be OK. If you'd like to support us, you can pick one up from the video description of our latest vids.
@timmeikle7523
2 жыл бұрын
You mentioned that you've custom modified the AS3X. Did this help with getting it to knife edge? I'm getting some serious coupling to the wheels when I put it into a knife edge. been Messing with all my settings/setup to get it to perform these. I can do about everything else, beside Harrier need to try your flap set up to prevent the wing rock. Excited to try that.
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
Nah, AS3X isn't needed to make it KE. Proper CG is though. Balance it around the center or front of the second cabin window and it'll handle great.
@tonygreen1067
Ай бұрын
How is the motor battery mounted? Velcro on bottom?
@TwoBrosRC
Ай бұрын
Nope, just loose in the bottom.
@ZapTeam
4 ай бұрын
Could the timber x be good for bush flying if I used a 3s 1300
@TwoBrosRC
4 ай бұрын
There's much better options available than a Timber X for bush flying, but it could be doable.
@rc4fun
2 жыл бұрын
I have a DX6e and just bought a used Night TimberX 1.2 how you have managed to use the full Ailerons and flaps tried to program it cause am using AR6610 RX don't have a manual for that. Please guide???
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
Check over this vid, it may help: kzitem.info/news/bejne/lKhv0niGjp5mdIo
@tabdycollins
2 жыл бұрын
I'm intrigued you manage to keep within CG with a 4s 3200mAh battery. With a 4s 2200mAh battery I have it pushed as far back as it will go and I have had to insert the steel rod in the tail to get CG midway along rear window. I'm also struggling with wing-rock despite having your flap/elevator setup. I have leading edge slats fitted. Do you think that's a problem. I have a spare set of wings I might try which don't have slats fitted.
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
Slats aren't helpful on this model. They seriously interfere with its 3D performance and make it harder to recover from maneuvers. They also shift the center of pressure a bit which might be why you're finding yourself in need of additional weight to counteract it.
@adamdetweiler3804
2 жыл бұрын
How do you get the turbo timber evolution to be crazy mine doesn't have enough elevator throws and I can't even fly inverted because the nose just drops but that's where it Flys perfectly upright
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
This vid is the Timber X, not the Evolution.
@adamdetweiler3804
2 жыл бұрын
@@TwoBrosRC I know but didn't you do a video on the evolution doing 3d
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
Yes. We've got a setup vid on it. If you search YT you'll find it.
@adamdetweiler3804
2 жыл бұрын
@@TwoBrosRC thanks
@qqff3192
2 жыл бұрын
How do you like this on 3200mah vs 2200mah, I fly this on 2200 and the plane is pretty heavy already is the extra weight noticeable?
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
I prefer 3200 - it's much more stable getting the CG close to neutral. 2200 makes it noticeably tail heavy and it will climb significantly inverted without back pressure to hold it steady. I don't notice any heaviness flying on 3200 that I didn't already see on 2200.
@qqff3192
2 жыл бұрын
@@TwoBrosRC do you also use the metal tail rod or the carbon fiber?im getting a lot of asymmetric stall with the plane
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
@@qqff3192 Carbon rod. The metal one was adding too much tail weight.
@jasrepnik5896
10 ай бұрын
How do u practise a 3d flying
@TwoBrosRC
10 ай бұрын
Simulators are a good starting point.
@siscoflyer4338
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Jon I been trying my hand at 3D and can’t seem to find anything about where best spot to balance this timber at the front 82 or 98 or in middle what’s your opinion? You mention in video don’t get tail heavy for it so wonder where sweet spot is? Mine is level balanced at the 82. Any advice would extremely help me thank you
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
We balance ours in the middle of the last cabin window.
@siscoflyer4338
2 жыл бұрын
@@TwoBrosRC thanks for the info, I give that a try
@torinkyemba647
2 жыл бұрын
How do you get so good?😭
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
I'm not even that good lol, but thank you! It's all just practice and not being afraid to make mistakes. The more you fly, the better you get.
@MichaelSelig
2 жыл бұрын
Are you flying it with any stabilization?
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, custom programmed AS3X to tamp down its weirdness.
@MichaelSelig
2 жыл бұрын
@@TwoBrosRC Could the wing rock be coupled with any of your stabilization/programming - i.e. things get in phase and drive the wing rock more. I have a Bighorn (similar config, built-up construction) that wing rocks (no stabilization), but the wing rock is not as much as you should in your vid. Second, "crankshaft" is the 3D name for that sort-of horizontal looking blender?
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
I doubt it's being driven by the gyro. It does the same thing with minimal or no stabilization. Wing rock is caused by the wings stalling one after the other, not by the gyro. It isn't set to compensate enough to drive that much wing rock, plus it would still wing rock if the flaps are reflexed upward - which it doesn't. Yeah, that type of move is called a crankshaft. It's not a pure crankshaft but it's about as close as this model can get.
@MichaelSelig
2 жыл бұрын
@@TwoBrosRC Ok, yes, that's right -- if it were gyros helping in part it would also rock w/ reflex, but it does not. I'm going flying today -- going to see if the Bighorn rocks as much as the Timber X - when left to rock w/o stick correction. I don't have reflex setup, so won't be comparing anything there. Wing rock has been a little bit of puzzle to me for a long time. I know it's alternating stall, but trying to program that into the aero in the sim FS One has not been a perfect match ... so far.
@Atris_965
Жыл бұрын
What does planes mean 3D ?
@TwoBrosRC
Жыл бұрын
It means a 3D printer made the components for the aircraft.
@jacksampson7711
Жыл бұрын
So I am assuming this is your job correct?
@TwoBrosRC
Жыл бұрын
Why would you assume that KZitem is our job?
@tabdycollins
2 жыл бұрын
......I had rather hoped your video was going to teach how you got to where you are with your 3D flying 😩
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
That's just practice. Lots of it. Keep practicing the things you're not good at from a recoverable altitude. You'll pick it up quickly.
@peterhawkins7130
10 ай бұрын
Dont know your mix
@TwoBrosRC
10 ай бұрын
It's covered in the setup guide.
@Donkey_Balls
2 жыл бұрын
I thought we were doing the new umx. Great video all the same. 👋
@TwoBrosRC
2 жыл бұрын
Pretty soon - I need to reshoot the footage using my hatcam because it's hard to track with a phone.
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