Jinger is very classy. She doesn't speak badly of anyone when she speaks. She carries herself with such grace. God Bless her, Jeremy, and their kids. I feel bad for their family living in the shadow of Josh's shame. I know it's not her doing, but all of them are always questioned about it.
@tiafenner8427
Жыл бұрын
I wondered if some of her fear & shame as a child is because of what her brother did to her & other sisters. And not knowing how to handle that as a "Gothard Christian" she probably thought she did something wrong to make her brother act that way toward her. her "punishment" for a sin was her brothers inappropriate acts.
@KManwarren
Жыл бұрын
The best part about this interview is that she answers questions thoroughly without dragging people's names through the mud. She still honors her parents for being loving and God-fearing and God honoring and I think we could all learn something from that.
@kathymyers7279
Жыл бұрын
And God honored her parents .
@stevesmith1493
Жыл бұрын
Yes. We can learn they were wrong.
@KManwarren
Жыл бұрын
@@stevesmith1493 we already knew that. Her graciousness is a great example of God's free, undeserved grace toward us, because we are wrong, too....born into sin. Wrong from the beginning and doing wrong knowingly and unknowingly until we die, friend. God doesn't look at us and throw us away. You should take those same pointing fingers and lift them to God in gratitude for His mercy toward you, then put them together with the other 8 fingers and pray for them.
@francinesanchez5402
Жыл бұрын
I think we can all find ways, daily, that God blesses us. But the teachings really tore apart their family. I feel for them. Their oldest son is in jail and…… they’ve been through a lot. Monetary blessings are not always the most important.
@KManwarren
Жыл бұрын
@@francinesanchez5402 yeah, In my sure that looking back they wouldn't say it was worth it. Definitely need to pray for all of them. There's a ton of healing that they will need that only God can provide. Not to mention the other people still deceived in that teaching.
@robyngaiotti9894
Жыл бұрын
I literally left the church, the Lord, whole thing after attending a Bill Gothard Seminar as a teenager. I was already living in an extremely Conservative Christian home, and as I sat in that stadium and heard ALL THOSE RULES, something inside me just snapped. I ended up wandering for 15 years, making a lot of mistakes, before I discovered the true love and grace of God. I am so glad Jinger was able to find a more grace filled Gospel.
@ebonyscruggs8619
Жыл бұрын
Glad you made it back to the true Gospel Robyn welcome home!
@barbourjohn
Жыл бұрын
Curious. What was the big thing that so triggered you?
@suburbanrapper
Жыл бұрын
what the devil intended for evil God Almighty can turn for good.. God works all things together.. Only God can do this... amazing grace..... May we all be healed in Jesus Christ in Jesus' name.. do it Lord for your Glory... Only you Lord for your glory! trample the works of the enemy... again and again and again.
@kimr9960
Жыл бұрын
Wow, I am so proud of you Jinger. Jeremey saved your life.
@robyngaiotti9894
Жыл бұрын
@@barbourjohn I think it would make more sense if you understood my home of origin. Lovely Christian parents but trapped in a very rigid, fearful, religious spirit. No grace just an angry God who demanded we live under rules and more rules. No drinking, dancing, smoking, movies, bathing suits, etc. And then Bill Gothard trots our MORE rules, more regulations, more restrictions, etc and something inside me snapped.
@martynlloydjonesfangirl
Жыл бұрын
What I love about Jinger's story here is that it shows for true believers, nothing can snatch them (us) out of the father's hand. Many in her shoes would throw the whole of Christianity away. But she persisted and sorted out the false from the true.
@iamlins_
Жыл бұрын
Yes! I was just thinking that. Im so grateful she didnt walk away completely.
@skyelynnae
Жыл бұрын
Yes, this!!
@donnarobison5722
Жыл бұрын
God knew Jingers heart!
@SarahStuckstede
Жыл бұрын
Lmao, way to judge other people's lived experiences.🙄
@heathermarie3820
Жыл бұрын
Yes!
@savedbygrace745
Жыл бұрын
I get her 💯 after leaving Mormonism of 34 yrs for a true biblical relationship with Christ.
@whitneypay515
Жыл бұрын
My experience with LDS is way different. I’ve never felt this fear of God. I’m happy you found another church to join.
@lindseymiller8165
Жыл бұрын
I am a member of the lds church and I also have never felt the fear of having to strictly adhere to rules and guidelines. I have felt love and grace and an understanding we are human and make mistakes. It makes me sad that people had a fear based experience with mormonism because that is not the core of the teachings. I think it was culturally perpetuated. I'm glad you found a place where you don't feel that because God is love, forgiveness and grace.
@VWCheryl
Жыл бұрын
Same! I left the LDS church this year and I feel the same.
@hayday4304
Жыл бұрын
Same. I'm also a former Mormon and this was so relatable.
@gracekelehar4014
Жыл бұрын
I come from a very legalistic baptist background. The spirit of religion is fully aware in there. My mother told me god would break my legs if I wore high heals. I wore shorts in my house, so I was as asking to get raped. That kind of thing. So, I totally get what’s being said here. I FLED from God, and only came back 3 years ago...and I'm 39. I love Jesus and thr grace he's given us.
@laurisaborlovan9513
Жыл бұрын
Her fiancé did the right thing by telling her to go back to the Bible to find peace. That's really wonderful to hear.
@kaykay1076
Жыл бұрын
But think about it, every person who is claiming to preach the “truth” is using the Bible to say that’s what he is doing. That’s why Sola Scriptura (the Bible alone) is not the truth. Nowhere in the Bible does it say you are you’re own authority to interpret scripture. You need a church and a magisterium to do it so you are not led astray by evil men and “itchy ears” This is the reason you have thousands of Protestant Denominations who all claim to be teaching from the same Bible. Yet you only have one Catholic Church, which dates back to the Apostles. Protestants have only been around for 500 years. Something to think about 💁🏼♀️
@andreawally4488
Жыл бұрын
@@kaykay1076 The Holy Spirit is not only our comforter, sent after JESUS' assension to heaven, but John 14:26 , John 16:1, and other passages, show how He would lead us into understanding the truth in GOD'S word as well. There is nothing wrong with others helping us, along the journey of understanding GOD'S word. However, He has promised to show us if we ask. We need to pray to Him, by faith, to open our understanding. Studying GOD'S word is like searching for treasures (Proverbs 2:3-8). It's line upon line (Isaiah 28:10-13) Understanding of principles and GOD's prophecies is to study the harmonious whole in both the old and new testaments. May GOD continue to lead us on that narrow path because there is only one way, not the broad way "anyway goes" to heaven ( Matthew 7:13-14)🙏
@BitsyBee
Жыл бұрын
@@kaykay1076 Thanks for saying what I wanted to say but was afraid I couldn't say it as gently as you did. I am a convert to Catholicism. I love my evangelical friends..and the Duggars...and believe their faith is sincere, but it's painful to watch sheep wandering. I know many ignorant Catholics wander too. Praying for all souls today!
@BitsyBee
Жыл бұрын
@@andreawally4488 All true but there are two lungs to divine revelation, scripture and tradition. How did the earliest disciples who witnessed Jesus interpret scripture? What has the Church always taught about about a given principle or doctrine? We can guard ourselves by getting our doctrine and practice from the Church and not a single individual, e.g. Bill Gothard.
@deebullock9284
Жыл бұрын
@@kaykay1076 THE CHURCH OF CHRIST became because of JESUS CHRIST, and only JESUS CHRIST!!! Catholics follow rules & law, THE CHURCH OF CHRIST FOLLOWS GOD, JESUS, THE HOLY SPIRIT, & THE BIBLE, which is literally GODS WORD!!!
@sarahlangham635
Жыл бұрын
She has such class! There are so many things she could say but chooses to be graceful with her words. The world needs more like her.
@jannadepue6037
Жыл бұрын
I grew up in the Gothard ministry, and also a cult in our church, and I worked closely with Bill at his Headquarters from 1988-1994. The Lord has also helped me untangle those deeply embedded beliefs that actually damaged my relationship with Jesus
@shannonstruik9394
Жыл бұрын
Oh my, me too, I too went to seminars in the 80's and took me years to untangle the lies and unbiblical teaching.
@HeatherViking1740
Жыл бұрын
Legalism is so destructive. I’m so glad you got free!
@IWantToMature85
Жыл бұрын
Kristen Rasmussen what do you mean by Legalism? Most people today in the progressive space would consider Allie that.
@BitsyBee
Жыл бұрын
@@IWantToMature85 Right it's good to define this. It's a lie to say Christianity has no rules or disciplines. Historically when Christians formed communities under a set of rules, (e.g. the Rule of Bennedict), people joined voluntarily and agreed to them. The leader was approved and ordained by Church authority and did not take this role upon himself or impose his own ideas or Bible interpretations on others.
@beckysmith6375
Жыл бұрын
I first went to a Gothard Basic seminar, correctly called Institute in Basic Life Principles, when I was a rebellious teen. His teaching helped me see my parents in a different light, and harmony was restored to our home. From that point on, my parents, sister and I went to the seminars yearly and looked forward to them with anticipation. God used Bill Gothard's ministry to turn my life around. I've been happily married for 30 years because of principles I learned at that seminar! We didn't follow all the recommendations that are available through the home schooling arm of the ministry. That is a separate organization called ATI, or Advanced Training Institute. We know many families who used those materials and liked them. It's ridiculous to just hear of one person's experience and unique home situation and see the entire ministry through that person's experiences!!!
@valeriegoldstein3483
Жыл бұрын
A friend paid for my husband and I to attend a Bill Gothard seminar when we were newlyweds in 1983. We walked out about halfway through the first session… the legalism was outrageous; he went so far as to list specific (normal) sexual activities within marriage and condemn them and was very condemning toward parents. Come to find out, he himself was unmarried with no children!! Yes, a real expert! I’m so glad we had the discernment to walk out
@melissaa152
Жыл бұрын
I was invited by an older Christian woman to attend one of Gothard’s conferences years ago. I was shocked by his low view of women. Wives were to place their husband before God and obey their husband even if what their husband asked them to do was immoral. Her husband’s will always was primary. Women were promised God’s blessing if they obeyed their husband no matter what. A woman gave her testimony of how she was asked by her husband to participate in doing something she knew to be wrong. But she obeyed her husband and believed that God blessed her for her “obedience” ignoring her own knowledge of right and wrong from the Bible.
@laurab8547
Жыл бұрын
My parents went to those seminars too in the 80s at least twice. All of these false teachings about authority and submission really messed up their marriage because my dad was a controlling narcissist and it fed into his need for power, adoration and control. My poor mother couldn’t voice her opinion or disagreement with anything he said or did without creating a huge argument and lots of hard feelings and bitterness between them. I now understand how bad the cultish teachings of Bill Gothard were for our family!
@shelleyboggs2527
Жыл бұрын
Gothard had a strong hold on a church I was in. Hated it. Felt like I was back in the cult I grew up in.
@mafp22w
Жыл бұрын
Weren’t they called “Basic Youth Conflicts”?
@triciabarnes268
Жыл бұрын
Bills never been married 😆 of course he doesn’t want couples to enjoy each other.
@nosharks1
Жыл бұрын
Wow, I grew up Mormon and this sounds so much the same! So grateful to be baptized in the true Christ! False preachers are everywhere!!
@bonniebrown5102
Жыл бұрын
So glad that Jinger was on your show! Growing up I thought the Duggar's had similar beliefs to other families I saw in my area that wore only skirts and dresses, but didn't realize till later more of the "why" of why they dressed and acted the way they did. I would say the difference between detangling and deconstruction would be the authority of the Bible...Deconstruction is taking standard Christian theology and church teaching for thousands of years and throwing out anything that doesn't fit modern sensibilities or "feel good" to that person. What Jinger is describing is taking everything she was taught about God and the world and comparing it to what the Bible says with the Bible being the ultimate authority. I also admire how highly she still talks about her parents even if she disagrees with the theology they have been taught.
@lorieolexson4689
Жыл бұрын
I am thoroughly impressed with Jinger's interview. She did not bash her parents but still honored them. I am also impressed how she stuck with her faith and grew in her love for Christ and faith . I am so happy that she is on the path of the true Gospel of Christ!
@sacredmommyhood
Жыл бұрын
This was so good. I loved the analogy of deconstruction vs. disentanglement. I've seen so many families coming out of fundamentalist teachings who go to complete deconstruction rather than trying to disentangle what's been taught. I also appreciate Jinger's love and respect for her parents while also speaking truthfully about these harmful teachings. Wonderful episode!
@andreatherese1099
Жыл бұрын
What a wondeful woman! How she lovingly handled the differences in beliefs with her parents is such a master class in grace and kindness.
@makeupandtheology1821
Жыл бұрын
I was very impressed with this. I also enjoyed seeing the nuances that while she was spiritualy abused, her parents seemed like they were easy to talk to and helpful. I especially was heartened that her father would encourage her to play ball.
@samanthadancelover
Жыл бұрын
Her parents have always taught her the right things about Christianity. She is so fake
@mktay2067
Жыл бұрын
Samantha are you involved in IBLP?
@IWantToMature85
Жыл бұрын
This makes her seem rebellious. Children are NOT above their parents.
@Colin-cb8hv
Жыл бұрын
Lol this is literally a child on a media tour to defame and criticize her parents. This is extremely unhonorable and anti-Christian
@Felicityus
Жыл бұрын
Gods grace right there. I grew up with Bill Gothard teaching and legalism. So glad the Lord showed me His Doctrine of Grace
@lisaengel5243
Жыл бұрын
🌷🌷🌷👊🏻📖
@ChalkboardCreativeHomeschool
Жыл бұрын
Same. The doctrines of grace helped set me free
@katiesnow396
Жыл бұрын
Same!!!
@meam80skids
Жыл бұрын
Ditto
@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr
Жыл бұрын
Did they say they were saved by grace but then just not in practice actually acting like it? Was it like the words didn't match reality?
@juliachildress2943
Жыл бұрын
I hope that Jim Bob and Michelle can understand what their children, and Jinger in particular, went through trying to live up to that impossible standard and have some empathy for the younger ones that are still at home.
@beverlyyoung4253
Жыл бұрын
Yes..indoctrination in the highest form!
@cindykoerner6719
Жыл бұрын
It’s very telling they have not come out and offered support to Jinger as she tells her story. Jinger extended so much grace to them and from them…crickets. Do better Jim Bob snd Michele.
@mktay2067
Жыл бұрын
Do better? Why should they have to go public for your sake? Jinger seems to be giving grace we could all learn from that.
@bhazerelli7611
Жыл бұрын
@@cindykoerner6719 actually they are supportive of her choices, from what she has said. They may not be perfect but at least they love their children even while disagreeing with them.
@IWantToMature85
Жыл бұрын
Why would Jinger leave though? Look at how she is dressed. Apostolic Pentecostals dress their own way. She's appearing on national TV and appearing like those of the world. This makes it seems like she wanted to fit in and be like the majority. Why go on GMA? That program favors the left in their political coverage. If she was spreading the word of God, they wouldn't have her on their show. She wasn't doing this when TLC was still paying her.
@Thegracemade
Жыл бұрын
So proud of her! Hope to hear more disentanglement stories rather than deconstruction stories. I also love how intentional she was about honoring her parents while sharing her experience.
@emilykirkman8468
Жыл бұрын
Yes 🙌🏼
@AdrienneJung.M
Жыл бұрын
Disentanglement over deconstruction....love that!
@marissaplotnikov7311
Жыл бұрын
I love this woman!!!! I always knew she was different
@Thegracemade
Жыл бұрын
@@AdrienneJung.M Yesss 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@Thegracemade
Жыл бұрын
@@marissaplotnikov7311 She's awesome!
@missmayte281
Жыл бұрын
My husband and I were introduced to Gothard’s Basic Life Principles through another couple at our church. We were young believers, young parents and seeking wisdom! We were excited during the first 1/2 of that seminar and then he brought up “ungodly melodies.” My father and my husband were both Classical Concert pianists and it became THAT clear that he was speaking extra-biblically : RIGHT there! Years later we moved from Miami to Washington state and while we were homeschooling, we met an entire Bill Gothard group…it was devastatingly heartbreaking. The women in the group accused me of wearing harlot colors - Red and Plum (I’m Cuban with dark skin and I was a Winter - none of them were. My modest dresses were deemed trashy because of the color. It was absolutely heartbreaking to watch the kids growing in such an unbiblical, unhealthy environment - it sounds like her parents were healthy but the group we met were all soooo unhealthy. Yet, as long as they obeyed the Gothard principles, they thought they were above reproach. 😣 …the Gothard principles seem to inherently avoid the one-another’s and there is absolutely no room for actual grace. Thank you Allie - big props for this interview. Ginger - Jesus relentlessly pursued you and rescued you. Praise his HOLY NAME!!! ♥️
@lizziedssg8643
Жыл бұрын
Excellent comment! I do wish, though, that. Jinger or Ally had pointed out something critically important: the lack of formal education in this cult that keeps kids woefully ignorant of history, science, literature and pretty much everything academic. I would say that these IBLP folks have the equivalent of a middle school education. Just enough to keep them barefoot and pregnant 🤰
@arbonneladyTN
Жыл бұрын
Fully agree! Heartbreaking is a good word for the whole thing. I can’t remember the year that I was introduced to those teachings, however as a singer I knew he was way OFF the music score! I never gave him any credit. Jinger is a brave young lady. And considering how her brother sexually abuse the sisters, I am so disappointed in so much regarding the family which was lead so far away from the true word of God. As a mother I can know the pain Jinger’s mother must have.
@saraz9017
Жыл бұрын
😣
@theirmom4723
Жыл бұрын
Jinger's parents were anything but healthy
@sheilanixon913
Жыл бұрын
A group of these people began to attend a church attended by Billy Graham's daughter, She was doing a wonderful work , with lone mothers , (some of them were UNMARRIED MOTHERS !! Oh dear !! A couple from the group got themselves elected to the Eldership, and the wonderful work being done , was closed down at this couple's insistance. Marriages in this church broke down under pressure from this group. Even one of the Pastors and his wife slept in Separate bedrooms for a while. What was happening in this church made national TV, Then, as suddenly as they had arrived the couple and their friends said ""The Lord is leading us to go somewhere else."" I was on holiday with a cousin in St. Louis at the time, and was appalled by all the damage done to a thriving church , by a small group of extremists , who even quote scripture to ""show that they were right ""
@TrueTruthin66books
Жыл бұрын
We were introduced to Gothard through our church friends. Many mature Christians were misled by Gothard. We also went to several seminars, and we were part of his home school program. We didn’t strictly adhere to all that was taught, and we left when the program seemed too controlling. Later we learned about really disgusting, abusive, and even more controlling things that were being reported, as taking place, within the organization. The lesson we learned is to be extremely, careful about the teaching that you allow yourself to sit under, and constantly be checking, to make sure, that what you are currently being taught lines up with scripture. Be Bereans!
@beverlyyoung4253
Жыл бұрын
Show thy self approved. We must know the word of God to be able to discern the truth! If you know God TRULY CALL A SPADE A SPADE!
@redemptionisnear8553
Жыл бұрын
Same!
@nataliewalters2759
Жыл бұрын
A mature Christian would have discernment not to believe Bill Gathered. Just because someone’s been a believer for years doesn’t mean they are mature in the faith . If you don’t study the Bible and understand it and be a believer for years makes you a baby Christian . Many believers don’t study . The Bible says to medicate on the word day and night .
@TrueTruthin66books
Жыл бұрын
An example that even mature Christians can be misled is that Elizabeth Elliot was one of the speakers, at one of Gothard’s homeschool conferences, that I attended. In our modern times, Elizabeth Elliot was an example of a very, mature believer. I have the utmost respect for Elizabeth Elliot. I doubt that she would have had anything to do with the Gothard organization, had she known what was actually going on behind the scenes. Sometimes a teacher gains respect, as a very sound biblical teacher, and later in their ministry they become swayed off the path. This may be the case with Gothard. No human is infallible, no matter how mature they are, in Christ, because we live in a fallen world. Sanctification is an on going process, throughout our lives. Satan is the father of lies, and he does his most deceptive work, when he deals is partial truths. Our job is follow the mandate given to us by Jesus, and by Paul, which is to be constantly aware that false teachers, will arise among the flock. Again I say, we must be “Bereans”!
@choosingbeautiful3888
Жыл бұрын
Oh my goodness her comment on parenting and how easy it is to slip into old beliefs is so so true. I grew up SDA and catch myself doing it with my kids!! What a great interview! I need to read her book.
@psthisisme
Жыл бұрын
This young woman is so gracious when speaking about her parents, as well as Bill Gothard. Her maturity is admirable and love for the Lord shines as a light in a dark place.
@IWantToMature85
Жыл бұрын
Did she leave Christianity though? Why is she appearing on talk shows calling her family a "cult?" I can't respect that.
@juliachildress2943
Жыл бұрын
@@IWantToMature85 She hasn't called her family a cult. She has called Gothard's IBLP cult-like, which it is. So many young people have been harmed by well-meaning parents following his extra-biblical rules (there's nothing in the Bible requiring women to wear their hair long and curly, adult children being required to live with their parents until they are married, drums being used to summon demons, and that there is an "umbrella of authority" that everyone must remain under or bad things will happen. Bill Gothard taught all of those things and many much more harmful things.) Jim Bob and Michelle raised their children in a fear-based religion and that's a sad shame. Even so, Jinger has professed her love for them and has NOT criticized them directly.
@IWantToMature85
Жыл бұрын
@@juliachildress2943 but apostolic also have women wear their hair long with skirts. They aren't a cult.
@juliachildress2943
Жыл бұрын
@@IWantToMature85 Just like your employer has a dress code, but your employer isn't a cult. There are several characteristics that many experts agree on that make a group cult-like: 1. A charismatic leader that claims to have knowledge or a system that no one else possesses and who will often not tolerate questions or doubts. 2. Isolation and fear of non-members of the group. 3. The group has a measure of control over personal actions like dress, eating and food habits, marriage decisions, where you can live, and with whom you can associate. 4. The claim that God or a higher authority dictated or endorses the group. 5. You may be punished or shunned if you decide to leave the group. There are more. Bill Gothard's IBLP checks a lot of those boxes in total or in part. I am a devout Christian and yes my denomination has some expectations for behaviors (such as treating each other like Jesus would). However, we are all free to question and discuss doctrine, we make free choices about whether to work, how to dress, with whom to associate, and my church would never try to dictate whether or not you use birth control, homeschool or whether a woman works outside of the home. And people who leave our church or denomination are still loved and friendly with the members. So certainly not all churches are cults (even though some non-believers try to claim that). Bill Gothard's program controls pretty much every aspect of the lives of his followers, especially the women, it's very legalistic and there is little room for grace. I'm glad that Jinger found her way out.
@MsNZgal
Жыл бұрын
so her parents did well in that regard, teaching her the Godly concepts that she displays today. I think M and JB tried their best. .
@lizziedssg8643
Жыл бұрын
God bless Jinger for her courage. I think it’s HILARIOUS that JimBob insisted that Jeremy watch Gothard’s videos. 😅 Instead of converting Jeremy to Gothardism, Jinger saw the Light! Way to go, JimBob!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@CraftyMagicDollz
Жыл бұрын
She went from one cult to another, one male owner to another. She's not free, and she's not courageous - she's a victim of religious abuse and brainwashing, just a different brand now than before.
@dorothywillms115
Жыл бұрын
Be careful! Were you a close friend of the Dugger’s. Were you their neighbor?? Did you know them personally?? Are you not aware of how TV stations push their preferred narrative?? If you live in a glass house do NOT throw stones. The TLC network should go off air. All they do is exploit people. Countless people have been hurt by them. Dr. Phil is another example. If you want to attack anyone we’ll try Benny Hinn or Kenneth Copeland. They ARE false profits. I’m just a bit concerned re your flippancy.
@chrisallen8489
Жыл бұрын
Oh Jinger! What an amazing testimony for the Lord! Yes! God loves us and would never want us to be "controlled" by another person. I'm so happy to hear that you are now FREE! I am a Christian, 45 years saved and I am STILL learning! It never ends. God WANTS us to know the "deep and hidden" things he has for us. God gives, He gave, and keep on giving! Thank you for sharing AND writing the book! You have shared in a way that honors your parents. So many people have grown to hate them, I'm sad to say,. It sounds like they really WERE good parents, in spite of their erroneous belief system. But God can bring them around, too. Maybe even by using YOUR book! God bless you and your little family!
@barbgardner5549
Жыл бұрын
Jinger is so well spoken. You can tell she has put in a lot of time thinking and praying about this process . Great communication skills.
@AlanaL3
Жыл бұрын
And that her parents did a great job raising her.
@katharineshade9550
Жыл бұрын
@@AlanaL3 But not with Josh, apparently.
@AlanaL3
Жыл бұрын
@@katharineshade9550 well, he didn’t follow his parents guidance in life. He has a free choice to walk that life. Unfortunately, with Jinger’s new theological beliefs she believes God preordained that her brother would do those things, and he had no other choice because his path was fixed in stonebefore he was born. I believe he had his own freedom to truly choose to do those things or not, and he chose to do them finding himself where he is today, because of his own sin not because God predetermined his path. Calvinism “reformed theology” is pretty twisted:/
@therockstar17
Жыл бұрын
@@AlanaL3 It's not twisted, it's biblical. The bible says God doesn't tempt or do evil but that we will always sin according to our enslaved will and God judges us for that according to our responsibility. In His love and mercy He saved many by grace for His glory. The New Testament says we were dead and enslaved to sin and now we're enslaved to Christ because God saved us. Nowhere does the bible talk about "free will." If God is so holy and we are evil enough to deserve eternal judgement, how could we possibly make "the right choice" to follow God? Ezekiel 36 says God replaces our heart of stone with a heart of flesh and puts His spirit in us to make us follow His commandments. How does a heart of stone choose God? "Free will" isn't required for love, because love comes from God. God is love. We love Him because He first loved us. Jesus said in Matthew 11:27 that He reveals the Father to whom He chooses and in John 6:44 that no one can come to the me unless the Father draws Him. You may disagree but just don't make the mistake of saying it's twisted or a false religion if you don't understand it. Reformed theology resulted from the protestants returning to the Bible. If you want to know more read something like the Westminster confession. The 5 point TULIP everyone talks about was merely a response to Arminius, who came after reformed theology and wanted to pull it back a little towards Roman Catholicism. The issue is monergism vs synergism. I used to think exactly like you. I don't mean this rudely, but I don't think the light bulb ever went off for you, because once it does, the gospel is glorious.
@therockstar17
Жыл бұрын
Also, I meant to say read the Canons of Dort.
@aprilcarter2599
Жыл бұрын
I wasn’t interested in her book before this interview but now I’m going to go purchase it. She’s grown so much! Wow. What a lady with such grace still spreading Gods love.
@LeslieKnope4Pres
Жыл бұрын
No freaking way did you get Jinger on here! The crossover of the century! I feel so blessed to hear you both together ☺️
@cutiepie71181
Жыл бұрын
Yes! I’m fan-girling out at this crossover! 😝😍
@paigemama5904
Жыл бұрын
Well said lol😂
@gigiis526
Жыл бұрын
"Freaking" is just another way of saying the curse word.
@betty4gators
Жыл бұрын
language?!
@IWantToMature85
Жыл бұрын
Isn't Jinger acting liberal? She disowned religion and appeared on GMA.
@denisevandermey6524
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate Jinger’s pure honesty. I love the testimony that she is sharing here
@hlolypop
Жыл бұрын
I developed a real sympathy for, specifically, the girls of the Duggar family. In about 2009 My sister, sisters friend and I were eating at Panera in Madison WI when they noticed a few of the older Duggar sisters come in and order. They were stopped by so many people, asking to say hi or taking pictures that they left without any food. I felt terrible, no child should face this kind of publicity where they can’t even get lunch. Kids can’t consent, even to fame and what it comes with.
@saraz9017
Жыл бұрын
Interesting point. No, children can’t consent to fame. I started taking them off the internet because i felt this same way. Why am I blasting them out there? Interestingly the algorithms respond favorably to children. Especially noticeable on Instagram. I got creeped out.
@jennprescott2757
Жыл бұрын
@@saraz9017 it’s bad for family vlogger kids too. While I disagree with his methods and views on Christianity, you should check out some of the Dad Challenge Podcst’s earlier episodes. He has a few on exposing the demographics on these children of family vloggers. It’s disturbing.
@jennprescott2757
Жыл бұрын
I think the episode is Bombshell Truths About the Dangers of Family Vlogging.
@staceydavidson8101
Жыл бұрын
Ll
@saraz9017
Жыл бұрын
@@jennprescott2757 very interesting. I will look into it. An old high school acquaintance became a well known vlogger. They ended up having kids to satisfy their fans and show. 🥺Wild.
@Makrothumia87
Жыл бұрын
I didn't grow up under Gothards preaching, but I did grow up under legalism and the constant fear that I would lose my salvation or that the hundredth time I prayed for salvation that it wasn't real because I maybe got angry at my sisters the next day. God's brought me a long way from there. This episode was wonderful.
@paulafields3711
Жыл бұрын
I guess I experienced Gothard seminars differently than she did, and probably that's because I accepted Christ before being introduced to his seminars, and also because my parents were , for as long as I can remember, people who always sought to verify preachers and teachers and authority against the Word of God. As you said ,Allie, we all have things to disentangle from. I'm glad she's doing her part. Awesome testimony.
@dorothywillms115
Жыл бұрын
You said it politely thanks. We are ALL different. Some are shy and fearful and some are not. Some cannot cope with legalism but some unfortunately cling to it and find community in it. At 74 love seen various forms of it. Cults thrive on people searching for Jesus. It’s always about control,no matter what church your in. As for JB and M, l didn’t watch much because we didn’t have TV at the time. But I think they just got overly sucked into something, but I do think they wanted the best for their family. Just like any Christian parents who have a child go off the rails l think they have suffered immensely and Christians should just mind their own business and pray for these people. Also look at how TLC, Dr. Phil and Oprah all exploit naive, hurting people.
@christiabreeden7777
Жыл бұрын
So good to see Jinger setting the record straight and being vulnerable and vocal!!
@ericsmith8597
Жыл бұрын
My dad loved Bill Gothard. He had me go to his seminar and I walked away from that thinking how legalistic and oppressive it was. My dad was a wonderful Christian man, but when he would go to the seminar, he'd become really bossy for about a week, then go back to being the loving father he always was.
@saraz9017
Жыл бұрын
😂 kind of funny
@camiwilson8358
Жыл бұрын
This is really interesting
@Rootude
Жыл бұрын
Same 😂
@ggmcsassy
Жыл бұрын
Lol! Yes! Glad that he would let it go after a while... Another seminar that I have hated was "Love and Respect". :p My husband and I went to one and he was so annoyed by the whole thing! Once we start making more "rules" and emphasizing small parts of scripture as the "whole truth and nothing but" the problems start. ALL scripture is true but taking something out of context and making rules around that is where it breaks down.
@Carolyncreatesmore
Жыл бұрын
I’m so glad he forgot about it after a week!
@nicholauscrawford7903
Жыл бұрын
Her account of how she was living by what she thought were spiritual feelings reminds me so much of C. S. Lewis's early frustrations with his faith and how he thought his prayers weren't getting through just because he didn't get a particular feeling of euphoria he expected when he prayed. The thing about fearing laughter totally reminds me in a little way of Jorge from Umberto Eco's The Name Of the Rose.
@maxmustermann1206
Жыл бұрын
Great interview! I would like to see Jinger on the Cultish podcast.
@marebear09
Жыл бұрын
Yes!
@melissamaertz
Жыл бұрын
Yaaasssss!!
@kristagates825
Жыл бұрын
I pre ordered the book and got it last weekend. I read it in 2 days. It was so good! So glad she has found freedom in Christ
@Rdlrhome
Жыл бұрын
How did you get it so early
@dfitzgeraldart
Жыл бұрын
I stumbled on this interview- both ladies were well spoken and informative. Allie- you are a great interviewer ❤
@t2motherhood585
Жыл бұрын
Allie- I have been loving so many of your interviews lately. You are an amazing gal and so well spoken. You are the very first person I have ever really heard talk about Reformed Theology. Then my hubby had a massive revelation about two years ago and is now looking at reformed Seminaries. We also just found a Reformed Church. I’m still learning but I have found a beautiful and rich church family and I’m so exited for all God has been teaching me. Jinger- you are so beautiful and humble and well spoken. Your word are full of grace AND truth.
@ende8472
Жыл бұрын
Wow. So encouraging to see how she can condemn the false teaching her parents believed without dishonoring her parents. Such maturity and grace.
@BitsyBee
Жыл бұрын
Yes, her parents deserve a lot of credit. They handed on their faith, such as it was, to this beautiful young woman, and were loving to her. They guided her successfully, even through an eating disorder.
@susanpeter1238
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your video. I went to YOUTH WITH A MISSION in the 70s and remember a seminar we were made to go to by Bill Gothard..I didnt know who he was then.. Your video opened my eyes...looks like God is using you big time !!!!! Keep it going!
@dccd673
Жыл бұрын
Would love to see more interviews like this. There are plenty of other false doctrines out there. Has anyone escaped from Joel Osteen’s teachings, or whatever he calls them?
@kaylajames3098
Жыл бұрын
No man should smile that much.
@barbs1298
Жыл бұрын
@@kaylajames3098 He doesn't really smile. It's a botox grin he can't help but make when he speaks.
@kaylajames3098
Жыл бұрын
@@barbs1298 it’s weird.
@annamineer2521
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, he's leading many to hell.
@singerjo5791
Жыл бұрын
Ya’ll are spiritually ignorant!
@carriev3307
Жыл бұрын
She is such an beautiful example of the true redeeming love of Christ and how it should be! So proud of Jinger
@skiddledede8885
Жыл бұрын
Glad Jinger now rests in the mercy & grace that Jesus gave us. I did get into some Bill Gotherd teaching when was younger. A lot of what he said was good, but praise God, it didn’t “stick.” I had forgotten that time in my life until Jinger brought it up.
@5674Kc
Жыл бұрын
God bless you both... and Jeremy for being a tender , strong, discerning leader.
@heatherbugnacki6689
Жыл бұрын
I’m proud of Jinger for not throwing the baby out with religion’s dirty bath water! She shines bright with the love of God ❤
@moshibudithelma991
Жыл бұрын
Wow I resonate with her story very much because this is the way I am even now I am always criticizing myself because I've always felt like if I don't do things right God will punish if I don't read the Bible God will take something from me I thought it was a way to please God but sometimes I can go to the extreme because I have an unhealthy fear of God wow this opened my eyes God bless her 🙏🏾
@joycook3093
Жыл бұрын
Wow!! Two of my favorite ladies - together!!!
@gabepoirot
Жыл бұрын
such a good interview! thank you for spreading the word
@zurzakne-etra7069
Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised Allie was so ignorant on the IBLP movement and Bill Gothard tho
@msolorzano6990
Жыл бұрын
So glad for this testimony. We saw Ginger and her family at Grace Comm church in CA when we were taking our daughter back to TMU ...and smiled knowing they were getting solid teaching and on a great path of gospel truth! God bless you and thank you for sharing and exposing false teaching at the risk of alienatin yourself!
@laurasavage1528
Жыл бұрын
Was it the church where John MacArthur preaches?
@joyofflipping2405
Жыл бұрын
I heard the statement once, "too heavenly minded to be of any earthly good". That's what came to mind when Jinger was talking about her compulsive Bible reading. I'm so glad she got out. Honestly, I was raised similarly and I remember having 2 young girls and praying about wearing pants. My thought was, if I'm wrong, my little girls will go to hell, too. Not just me, but my sweet little girls. I thank the Lord that he gave me peace about it and I live in freedom today.
@katiebrower5552
Жыл бұрын
I have never watched an episode on your channel but I just wanted to say this was an excellent interview. No name calling or shaming just how God has redeemed.
@mj6493
Жыл бұрын
So glad that Jinger has heard the gospel and now has an understanding of God's grace.
@janemichael9433
Жыл бұрын
I love this so much. Hard to believe that was how I was raised as well.
@brambleview
Жыл бұрын
You conduct the best interviews! I love listening to you guests and learning from their experiences. Thanks!
@Canadianbrunnette
Жыл бұрын
I’m literally mind blown. I grew up LOVING the Duggar shows, I was in grade 4 when I started watching.. I grew up in a wonderful church and the true gospel. But I struggled SO MUCH with the fear of doing things right and wrong because of a “feeling” it never came from my parents or family.. I would spend hours praying because I was worried something bad would happen! That legalism spirit is NASTY..
@theirmom4723
Жыл бұрын
Well...coming from someone who spent 56 years in a church of rules...you didn't have the true gospel. You were given the gospel with, however you must do and not do....In Christ is freedom not a bunch of stupid rules made by man so people will know if you tow the line or not.
@MTknitter22
Жыл бұрын
Yes and we have to remember the wreckage going on still with her siblings in Arkansas. Now the grandchildren are in danger as well. We sure pray for the rest of the family to be set free!
@sarahs3988
Жыл бұрын
As someone who almost got wrapped up in legalism I can understand how even her parents got here. They wanted to do right, but were also led astray. It's so hard.
@amyward587
11 ай бұрын
It’s a human flaw and sinful action from the flesh. Assigning spirits to everything is dangerous and doesn’t highlight the powerful truth of the gospel for fallen humans.
@VSFilly
Жыл бұрын
I can relate. Raised legalist...which led to anorexia amd self destructive behavior. Thank you Lord, I was healed..i now know the true Gospel. I shy away from any legalism to this day.
@ginahabig
Жыл бұрын
Very excited to read this book. Her story is so many of the girls (me included)who grew up in the 80-early 2000s where Christianity has a whole was make a decision and “be good” the “be good” was whatever someone in ur famiy or church told u. No gospel when u sinned instead just be better or u will loose ur acceptance with God and people. Not the gospel! So happy the Lord led her to write the book!
@Ghill77777
Жыл бұрын
I still think it's a testimony to your parents loving heart & many faithful prayers prayed for you, Jinger, over the years that you still love Jesus and sought the truth. To be honest I think many teens brought up in Christian homes have to know the truth in their own hearts for themselves for their own faith to stand firm. Pleased that the unshakeable eternal truth has made you free indeed from the shackles of man made laws & lies😊
@pintswithaquinas
Жыл бұрын
Allie, you're a great interviewer. May the good God continue to bless his beautiful daughter, Jinger!
@bamalamsue8720
Жыл бұрын
I’m so encouraged watching this interview. I never knew of bill gothard but his principles were far reaching. I heard many of these things in churches I grew up in. My family was nothing like it though. It took me years to disentangle from man made rules. I’m still working on it but I’m doing much better.
@Lindsay.trains
Жыл бұрын
This is an excellent conversation! I can't wait to read the book!
@js5860
Жыл бұрын
Excellent interview! Amazing, solid Reformed teaching exposed the sovereignty, and authority of God and His word. Beautiful young lady!
@allyxjayy
Жыл бұрын
It takes a rare breed of woman to take a stand against not only religious atrocities, but ideologies and skewed views of Christianity instilled deep in your roots. Covering the situation in prayer. Thank you for your candidness, Jinger. Your story will help set others free from spiritual bondage. 🖤 Religion says “Do”. Relationship with Christ says “Done.” Hold onto Jeremiah 29:11 & Luke 12:3
@Rootude
Жыл бұрын
Loved this interview! I also grew up under Bill Gothard’s teachings. It is so helpful for me to hear this story. My family was similar in that we knew Gothard’s teachings were not the actual Gospel. However, it was the “wise” way to structure and live life. And going against “wisdom” was rebellion. I am excited to read the book!
@lisaengel5243
Жыл бұрын
I love how God delivered you out of that grip, Jinger. Soli Deo Gloria! 💥🌷
@drp1111
Жыл бұрын
I love everything about her! She is so beautiful inside your and brave for exposing everything America saw.
@rebeccaiwarere7202
Жыл бұрын
Oh Jinger, I sooo relate. I also was brought up with the Bill Gothard philosophies. I have struggled with intense anxiety about not reading the Bible enough, not praying enough, not loving God enough. Never enough. I am finding freedom now. Thank you so much for sharing.
@deborahlee3484
Жыл бұрын
I relate so much and I never really connected my anxiety growing up with Bill Gothard’s teachings but they were incredibly fear-based and harmful!! It all makes sense now…
@kbinseattle5760
Жыл бұрын
I went to a Bill Gothard seminar after high school in the early 70s. I still have the binder with a lot of my notes inside. I was a long-time Christian, and had grown up in Southern Baptist, Conservative Baptist, General Baptist, and Evangelical Free Churches. I don't get the criticism of Bill Gothard-at least in my experience. At the time, I considered that he was fighting against the sinful, and evil world of the 60s and 70s, and I for one took a lot of strength from his classes to resist the devilish perversion growing in the world. I did not feel constrained by legalism in his seminar, and I just added his practical teachings to my knowledge base at the time. I could see how far our world was moving from God's pure standards. I believe 1968-69 was a pivotal year for feminists trying to destroy our society, and began the degradation and feminization of men that has caused the destruction of society that we see today. Just like Eve pushed Adam to sin, women have pushed our world to sin and evil with abortion, homosexuality, feminism of men, break down of the family, and generally everything bad about society today. I am a 72 yr old woman who has watched all of it happen. I don't have anything bad to say about Bill Gothard in my experience, with his training during the few years I was involved with it. That's just what my experience with it was. Maybe it has to do with someone's personality as to how it does or doesn't affect you.
@Youngmom68
Жыл бұрын
His seminar Institute in Basic Youth Conflicts my mom took me to one when I was 13. All I remember is the end when Bill Gothard would come out and do paintings. I believe my mom wanted to protect me and keep me innocent. I don’t believe she meant any harm. I’m grateful she cared so much that she took me to a conference about God.
@joellendeboy9705
Жыл бұрын
I got out of a church like Bill Gothard. Thank God
@kskitchen-fw7uy
Жыл бұрын
Praise God. Thank you for being willing to share the Lord's work Jinger
@daniellecruz2917
Жыл бұрын
I love how she isnt trashing her parents...she aknowledges they did point her the God
@annabooth1413
Жыл бұрын
I didn't really follow the Duggars but found this interview very interesting. I attended a couple of Bill Gothard seminars but didn't realize just how deep the legalism went. I must not have been a faithful follower because I lived on my own as a single woman and have also worked. I'm grateful to know Jesus'faithful love and I'm glad that Jinger found her way also.
@jamiebluer9948
Жыл бұрын
I love the way you honor your parents. So happy you found the truth.
@lucianavirno9235
Жыл бұрын
This interview was so wonderful! It gave me an eye-opening perspective of Christianity. Thanks for this interview!!
@julieelliott-eickenroth7317
Жыл бұрын
This young woman has so much wisdom and soundness of mind ... she's bright and thoughtful and articulate and through diligence and having that "good soil" in her heart the Word talks about, has gained a sound mind and wholesome, balanced understanding of her faith. So refreshing to see that she didn't fall prey to bitterness at the failings of teaching and abandon the whole thing, but trusted God and did the hard, healthy work of sorting through the mess to find the truth. Bless her!
@IWantToMature85
Жыл бұрын
She seems to have sold out though. She is dressing like the world know. Apostolic Pentecostals don't go out looking to change their upbringing and culture.
@Eclectifying
Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear this testimony. I love how Allie just lets her guest share and listens so intently to her.
@GratiaPrima_
Жыл бұрын
Love to Jinger! Yeah, not all Bible interpretations are equal. And only one is the whole truth of what God meant to communicate via the sacred authors. May we seek Him and His truths always.
@prissylovejoy702
Жыл бұрын
???
@GratiaPrima_
Жыл бұрын
@@prissylovejoy702 people get the Bible wrong. Some more than others. That’s what I mean.
@paulan7218
Жыл бұрын
@@GratiaPrima_ that’s why proper hermeneutics are important
@GratiaPrima_
Жыл бұрын
@@paulan7218 yup. And context. And understanding Christian history and tradition.
@handyandy8269
Жыл бұрын
This is awesome...In 1983 I had a neighbor that encouraged me to go to a Bill Gothard conference ......He made me feel very intimidated.... Being just a simple farm boy...and a very young believer in Christ....something just felt wrong in my gut....I never went to the conference...I am so glad I never went...!!
@momof1150
Жыл бұрын
I went to a Basic Youth Conflicts (1986) seminar as a new Christian and actually learned a lot of good things from it like accepting myself for who God made me (a girl), Debt-free living, and that children are a blessing, confessing sin and getting a clean conscience, etc. I think I instinctively retained the good information and rejected any extra biblical guidance. Then as a married mother of four, I went to the Advanced Seminar held in Tennessee to learn how to homeschool our kids using the curriculum. I was over burdened by all I felt that I needed to do to be successful. I tried it out for a couple of years, but eventually quit and used other books. I understand the fear of failing at this felt like I failed God. I was waiting for the next bad thing to happen. I feared my children would be uneducated. With schooling and housework, I was at my wits end and my husband said apart from my failure to make the kids do chores, he didn’t know what else to suggest. But God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love and self control. God helped me to know that He loves me and He was just waiting for me to cry out to Him. I confessed that I couldn’t do life like this in my own strength. I was exhausted. And I just couldn’t do all that my husband was asking of me either. Then It was like Jesus was impressing on my mind the thought, I never asked you to carry all these burdens. Give your burdens to me. I gave you children as a blessing and reward for you to love and enjoy. Just as I love and enjoy you my daughter. 🥰 So after that, I was constantly talking to God about everything! God’s perfect love cast out my fear. I’m so thankful that Jesus promised he would never leave me or forsake me. 😅 What a good God we have!
@PyrPupMom
11 ай бұрын
This is a wonderful, awesome testimony! Thank you for sharing!❤
@johnfoster4244
Жыл бұрын
When I was a student at Oklahoma University in the 80s, I think both Campus Crusade and the Baptist Student Union endorsed Gothard's teaching. I was in Bible studies and prayer groups; but I never had the time to throw myself into an intense training curriculum.....although I trusted the senior leadership. I'm not surprised looking back. So many men with their own self serving agenda to make money and assimilate power from the Gospel.
@setapart6937
Жыл бұрын
I’m so excited for this episode. I feel like this video is going to impact a lot of people. Many people from all walks of life will be tuning in to see what Jinger has to say. Not only will Jinger’s testimony be huge but these people will also be exposed to your channel. There are well known KZitemrs who like to gossip about the Duggars who’ll be watching and listening to two Christian women talk theology. I know one KZitemr in particular is an atheist so I’m hoping and praying God uses today’s episode to touch her heart.
@OldSchool_diva
Жыл бұрын
I’m an one of those ppl. I’ve watched that show but listening to her and her RELATIONSHIP with God blew me. 🗣 Definitely buying her book as well as for a few friends. So proud of her but I’m also proud that she brought AN AMAZING soul with her to share and teach this WORLD. Bravo
@randomvintagefilm273
Жыл бұрын
Is that one KZitemr's initials K.J.? I'm hoping she sees this too
@wendyouellette
Жыл бұрын
I’m hoping she listens to this also. @randomvintagefilm273 I know who you’re talking about. Sadly she’s committing one of the worst sins of all and it’s proclaiming to her listeners and I’m sure she tells her friends she doesn’t believe in God. I cringe when I listen to her say that and uses the word atheist I pray she soon realizes it’s sinful plus if people are listening that don’t know God or believe what she’s saying she’s taking people away from God. I can’t believe in not believing in our wonderful God.
@jerriettaarcher7665
Жыл бұрын
@@wendyouellette I unsubscribe her when I heard her say that
@wendyouellette
Жыл бұрын
@@jerriettaarcher7665 I did too! She’s a problem also but that was the worst thing I couldn’t stand.
@hannahwilliamson5107
Жыл бұрын
Just call him Brother B! That's what he reminds me of! I'm so happy for you Jinger. Sending prayers for you and your family as well.
@ahhitskatie9094
Жыл бұрын
Goodness, what a beautiful testament to The Lord's grace and goodness. I've been struggling with forgiving a close family member for years of manipulation and abuse "done in Jesus' Name". I've been praying so much about the hurt and anger I've felt and this video helped immensely. Thank you both, God bless you.
@barbs1298
Жыл бұрын
Religious extremism & legalism as well as cults create much trauma in children's lives who then carry it into adulthood along w/the guilt & shame. Forgiveness is vommendable, but it doesn't mean forgetting. At some point, you might want to consider some trauma counseling to understand what you went through & triggers that many experience as adults. Yes, Jesus can & does heal, but He also uses counselors to bring about that healing.
@mejusthot
Жыл бұрын
🙏
@jymitchem
Жыл бұрын
I love it. I grew up in a very conservative home. But even tho there were a lot of rules that are the same as Jinger I got out when I was around 18 when I was called to be the pianist at another church. I don’t regret being brought up like I was. I think they thought they were doing the right thing. I love Jingers story. It reminds me a little of the way I was brought up and got out. I haven’t left God and I know more about what the Bible actually teaches.
@barbsutter9978
Жыл бұрын
This interview was very timely for me as our pastor is an expository preacher and his sermon last weekend was on 1Timothy 4: 1-5 dealing with deceitful spirits, hypocrisy of liars etc. I praise The Lord for helping Jinger to see the truth and pray her other family members will as well! ❤
@amycolunga9659
8 ай бұрын
I truly can say I am proud of Jessa, Jill and Ginger. Even though they grew up a different lifestyle when they were children, they still love and respect their parents and have realize that once they became adults that it is time to grow up and it is time for them to move on and make their own Adult decisions, along with their spouses and their children. It was beautiful to watch them grow in the show, and now it is even more beautiful seeing them turn into beautiful young mature adults, now having families of their own and being strong brave women, willing to get out there, willing to live their lives the way they want, and willing to live their lives away they feel they should.
@barbcarty9964
Жыл бұрын
I remember responding to a “ Basic Youth Conflicts” study written by Gothard when I was 16. (I’m 70) It was a challenge to honesty , repentence, and reparations. It was life changinging in a good way. So sorry to hear he wet so far off the rails.💔
@wishhalkar509
Жыл бұрын
Barb. Thank you for saying this. I saw him live in the 70’s. I am 60 now and never heard what happened to this ministry after that. This interview made my head twerk. Everything in this world has the capacity to turn sour when there are humans involved. I could pick everything apart including my local church. I choose to watch where God is working. He obviously had work to do for this sweet young lady. I agree, it is too bad that Bill let this ministry go off the rails. 😢 what a good reminder to us to always give and thank God for everything we have. The blessings and the trials in our day.
@carolhawkins9389
Жыл бұрын
I too attended Basic Youth Conflicts as a young believer - and it was positive for me (back in early 70s).
@christiabreeden7777
Жыл бұрын
I was raised similarly no pants, jewelry, cutting my hair etc but PRAISE GOD for her being so honest and open and showing TRUTH!!
@shaerebholz5793
Жыл бұрын
I love how her mom helped her through her eating issues.
@SusanSmith-pw1yj
Жыл бұрын
Her mom fed her garbage growing up, which contributes to disordered eating as an adult.
@wendyfilice7101
Жыл бұрын
I commend Jinger for coming out and sharing the cult she was raised in. She speaks so intelligently. I hope her family and many others read her book and learn the truth. 🙏❤️ I think it would be helpful to look up the definition of “deconstructing”. The first two definitions in the dictionary is what Jinger and many others, including myself are doing.
@peggydangerfield9668
Жыл бұрын
Jinger might have been experiencing scrupulosity. I have seen stories of people coming out of the LDS church that have similar experiences of fear of not doing enough to be accepted or pleasing to God. I think it happens in high demand religions. Many former LDS members walk away from faith all together. Praise God that Jinger has a strong relationship with the Lord!
@China-Clay
Жыл бұрын
It’s a very personal journey for anyone leaving a high demand religion
@whitneypay515
Жыл бұрын
I have never had this experience with LDS church. From my perspective a lot of this seems to come from their family members.
@lindseymiller8165
Жыл бұрын
Like another comment I haven't felt this at all from the lds church. Though, I do know many that have felt that. This is more culturally perpetuated than doctrine perpetuated. It's sad, but lots of people in the faith make it very fear based. My relationship with God and my religion is one of love, grace and forgiveness.
@VWCheryl
Жыл бұрын
If you don’t think it’s a church thing you need to watch more videos of church leaders telling people they don’t have choices to go on missions or pay tithing. It IS a super high demand religion.
@birdenthusiast2095
Жыл бұрын
My husband was born into the Mormon church and recounts, as a teenager, having to meet with the bishop to account for living a morally clean life. It was traumatizing for him because he was a typical teenage boy with raging hormones. What a shameful experience for him. Either he lies about not having sexual thoughts or he tells the truth and is chastised. He felt damned either way. He left the Mormon church when he was 21 y/o to follow Christ. He’s now almost 60 and loves the Lord.
@mybigfatexpatlife6865
Жыл бұрын
Wow. I never heard of Bill Gothard before until now. Funny thing is, I recognized the big red book in my library. It was given to me many years ago as a new beleiver and only read a part of it. I found it helpful in some ways as it was simplifying scripture and helping the reader apply it. However, I remember feeling extremely anxious and despaired because I fell short of perfection. Like Ginger said, it was missing an element of grace. Thank you for a great podcast 👏
@MelissaDougherty
Жыл бұрын
Oh wow, looking forward to this one! 👀🍿
@D3zzzz
Жыл бұрын
I grew up a few towns over from where the Duggars lived and tbh a lot of their beliefs weren’t jsut their beliefs but the area we were in and it was such a shock when I moved and had to unlearn everything I’d always known.
@deborahb3664
Жыл бұрын
Incredible interview!! Pray that other hearts will be open to hearing and learning the truth of God’s word. Thankful Jinger is brave enough to share her walk.
@robynhouse8166
Жыл бұрын
I was also raised under the influence of Bill Gothard. My parents attended seminars and used some of his Basic Life Principles books I became a born again believer after leaving home and living a prodigal lifestyle in rebellion against the legalism. The Lord showed up and saved me. He has been using my exposure to false teaching to give me a heart to reach out to people who are living under confusion. I have been able to witness to Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, as well as people caught up in the NAR and even Calvinists. All these manmade systematics are creating a dependence and reliance (like she describes) on men rather than the Spirit.
@miriamporterfield852
Жыл бұрын
I am so glad you had this episode on. I grew up in a very legalistic church. As a child I knew what I saw wasn't right. It wasn't the same as Jinger, but it has taken soul searching as well.
@rachelwesterman1223
Жыл бұрын
This was a really interesting interview. I find it hard to understand because I'm an atheist but Jinger is very eloquent and I can see how being brought up as she was, would result in these views. I'm glad she is feeling better.
@Yeshua22777
Жыл бұрын
Watching 19 Kids and Counting changed my life! I appreciated the show so much as a new, young mom who had little example of what it meant to be a Godly mom and wife. The days prior to androids and iPhone, I would put my laptop on the counter in the kitchen and listen while I cooked. It is a healthy balance. I do believe Jim Bob and Michelle love the Lord with all their heart, mind soul and strength.
@rroadmap
Жыл бұрын
I believe they do. But they were so worried about losing the money from the show and putting out a bad testimony if Josh's misdeeds came to light, that they covered it up. They had their girls go out and lie to the world. They actually lied to the girls about what had been done to them. Then Jim Bob got on the stand during Josh's trial and lied by omission and commission. That's not following Biblical principles! So they excuse their own sins, but condemn their daughters for wearing pants?!
@rto8103
Жыл бұрын
It changed my. life too and challenged my thinking in so many ways..
@Sunnydreamer1470
Жыл бұрын
I agree I found the Duggars inspirational as did my children who are now raising their own children. They were very hands on teaching their children to be self sufficient.
@shiningthelightministries
Жыл бұрын
I have also had to overcome many of those same cult like teachings. Although I did not know that they came from Bill Gothard, and I never watched any of his conferences. I thought they were just Independent Fundamental Baptist teachings. When I started finding the truths in the Bible, my church ended up kicking me out.
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