No one cares …….this has been talked about to death.
@massimosaffioti8798
Жыл бұрын
Then why bother commenting?
@PetraKann
Жыл бұрын
@@massimosaffioti8798 ….why bother responding?
@massimosaffioti8798
Жыл бұрын
@@PetraKann I'm not the hypocrite making a big show about claiming not to care.
@gerryboyd178
Жыл бұрын
Zep continually talked about their love for the blues then thought nothing of blatant steals claiming they wrote them and getting the money. It does matter. Zep seem to be in some "untouchable" category for some reason which also matters. They ain't!
@PetraKann
Жыл бұрын
@@gerryboyd178 Music is borrowed
@barrymoore4470
Жыл бұрын
I remember that American director Richard Linklater wanted to use the track "Dazed and Confused" for his now classic film (released in 1993) that was named in the song's honor, but Led Zeppelin refused the request, Robert Plant saying around the time that they didn't want their songs being "whored out". Learning later of their liberal "borrowings" from other sources, those words now ring much more hollow than they would have for many fans at the time.
@garyh.238
Жыл бұрын
Percy could never be accused of being humble.
@featherinthewind333
Жыл бұрын
Rubbish
@alexlifeson6917
Жыл бұрын
Totally agree. So hypocritical of them to deny permission with a song that isn't even theirs. What a joke! I would love to see a modern artist today take lyrics that plant wrote and include it in their own song. Plant would take them to court in a second. Complete hypocrites.
@featherinthewind333
Жыл бұрын
@@alexlifeson6917 that's because modern artists can't do what zeppelin done. Whether they appropriated songs or not, zeppelin had the skill to turn these old songs into their own. What next, sue the beatles because they used "yeah yeah yeah" like the black artists that phil spector exploited.. Please... Its rock and roll and blues, everyone at the time was appropriating this and that from everyone else... Just fashionable in this woke culture to say zeppelin done it... Because yr all jealous
@garyh.238
Жыл бұрын
@@alexlifeson6917 Agreed.
@craigdickinson1796
Жыл бұрын
Thank god they borrowed a tad.A Zeppelin-less world would be a far bleaker one.?
@classicalbum
Жыл бұрын
Yes
@alexlifeson6917
Жыл бұрын
The problem with zeppelin sympathizers like you is that you're always using the word "borrowing" when in fact it was plain stealing - completely different.
@juliemanarin4127
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@davidtoups4684
Жыл бұрын
I doubt too many complained about Zeppelin back in the day. Peter Grant would have had their legs broken!
@garyh.238
Жыл бұрын
I think you are probably correct on that.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Zeppelin were ripped off far more, starting with Black Sabbath.
@Foul_Quince
Жыл бұрын
No he wouldn't' He would have broken their legs himself. Hiring goons is just another overhead for the band.
@CraigHollabaugh
Жыл бұрын
One thing you failed to mention, Houses of the Holy was released 50 years today, March 28, 1973. I pulled out my vinyl and spun it up for old times sake. You could even hear the groove feedthru during the Ocean countoff. Cheers, The Song Remains the Same.
@barrymoore4470
Жыл бұрын
A true classic, with two of my favorite Led Zeppelin tracks, "The Rain Song" and "No Quarter".
@CraigHollabaugh
Жыл бұрын
@@barrymoore4470 for me, The Ocean, "We've done four already but now we're steady And then they went: One, two, three, four"!
@barrymoore4470
Жыл бұрын
@@CraigHollabaugh Definitely a good song, and somewhat underrated/overlooked in the larger Zeppelin catalog. I know I'm not the first to make this observation, but water is a dominant motif on this album.
@vman365
Жыл бұрын
@@barrymoore4470 I'm with you. My 2 faves from the album. Love the live versions too.
@Euadam
Жыл бұрын
How did he fail to mention something that he wasn't supposed to?
@joet6434
Жыл бұрын
They did their share of appropriating songs, Zepplifying them & passing them off as original. Many bands did this back then, but they usually listed the original artist when Zeppelin didn't. I have been a fan of Zeppelin since i was twelve & am now 37. My love of their music is as strong today as it was when i first heard them. They remain my favourite band of all time regardless of the nicks as percy puts it as i feel they made the songs their own. I enjoy the original songs alongside the Zeppelin interpretations. They were a stupendous outfit.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Zeppelin credited the original artists at least a half dozen times. Because they didn't always do it some people now think they never did it. I had one guy here yesterday trying to tell me that Zeppelin only credited Willie Dixon for two songs on the first album after he went after them, yet he's clearly credited for those two songs right from the first pressings of the album in late 1968/early 1969. Willie Dixon was getting royalties off Zeppelin right from the start. He went after Zeppelin for two songs on the second album, one of them being an obvious tribute/homage.
@dociebiemowie915
10 ай бұрын
They were thieves and it is a stain on their legacy.. they also had really lame lyrics.
@AlexAlexon3897
Жыл бұрын
Interesting stuff. Very odd modern credits for Dazed & Confused, and, conversely, for Bring It On Home: Jake Holmes wrote D&C as an original; Page alone wrote the scintillating riff for the second song. Strange credits due to some agreements between solicitors, publishers and musicologists, perhaps?
@peterrebhahn1113
Жыл бұрын
Yes, there's no question that Led Zeppelin played fast and loose with the creations of others, though it's a fraught issue for reasons pointed out by the band members and their defenders. But one thing in their defense that isn't pointed out enough: Their homages were actually better than the originals.
@glennpowell3444
Жыл бұрын
Before copyrighting many pieces of music are still regarded as "standards".No one actually knows who actually wrote/created them in the first place.Traditional jazz is essentially built on such "standards".Great examples are also prolific in hymn books.Also Madness got to fame by simply reinventing Prince Buster who was dead then anyway specifically the tracks "Madness" and "One Step Beyond" but no body can actually proove they in themselves were not copied by Prince Buster therefore become classed as standards as no one has copyright to that music.Nothing new under the sun.
@jimandlizhudson2501
Жыл бұрын
Well-balanced opinion piece. Thanks. I'm particularly cynical about the Bert Jansch copy..... and I do mean copy. Bert's version is much better, as he is a far better accoustic guitarist than Page. It would have been nice if he had been credited and more people then would have checked out his superb solo work away from the wonderful Pentangle.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Page was name checking Bert Jansch in interviews going back 50 years and more.
@donaldwesterhazy9333
Жыл бұрын
They added value to the tunes and lyrics they stole, so I can't criticize the esthetics of the final product.
@barrymoore4470
Жыл бұрын
They definitely stamped all the material with their own distinctive flavor, so I largely agree with your assessment.
@smalltown4855
Жыл бұрын
Never new any of this and yes ive listened to the originals you mention to realise that indeed they ripped a few people off. However all is forgiven for the masterpiece that is The Rain Song.
@brandy1262
Жыл бұрын
While the LZ version of Dazed and Confused sounds like a radical rework of Jake Homes song, I once heard the Yardbirds version and that makes the path from Jake Homes to the LZ version is crystal clear.
@tim.timothy.brennan
Жыл бұрын
Very interesting video and I do love your humour......'Peter Grant' hanging people out the window! probably did a lot worse though? Keep cool!!
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Well he did change the music industry in favour of the artists....and music artists are still benefitting from his revolutionary input 👍
@bonesjackson81
Жыл бұрын
This is an old tale. While I can agree some dirty deeds certainly were done. I can say the same of numerous artists and songs. Ozzy stole from his own band mates! The entire 80s hair metal scene stole directly from Zeppelin themselves. You hear so many songs that make you think of another it's crazy. Extreme's big comeback song is STP completely. But it's always more fashionable to go after all time artists. Funny that success breeds contempt after the fact.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Ozzy and Geezer didn't want to record Paranoid at first because they told Iommi it sounded like a Led Zeppelin rip off. It does sound like a mix between Communication Breakdown and a certain part of Dazed and Confused.
@fallandbounce
Жыл бұрын
Deep Purple would've been a better subject, though the practice was extremely common in that era (especially with English musicians. Even Iommi used Tull's Cat's Squirrel as a template for Sabbath's cover of Warning). Jimmy Page admitted to using the Beatles "Something" as the base for The Rain Song, uncredited. Robert's usage of others lyrics had him on probation within the band until the fourth album. They were wary of his ability to write, but didn't want to break momentum.
@marke2452
Жыл бұрын
Can you give some examples of Deep Purple?
@garyh.238
Жыл бұрын
The difference between Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin in this regard is that Purple openly admitted what they borrowed, whereas Zeppelin often denied their blues pilferings. And only when their hand was forced in civil proceedings did Zeppelin come clean.
@mr.bloodvessel260
Жыл бұрын
Page used “Something” because Harrison told him you guys don’t have any ballads.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Basically all of Purples famous songs were pinched from others.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Mark E, Black Night, Fireball, Child in Time, Smoke on the Water.
@domielakrabi3276
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video! As far as I remember "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" was never a LZ song, it is listed as "traditional" on my old vinyl copy. The rest was a rip off or at least "inspired by" someone. But what really matters is, what LZ has done from these songs!
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Correct. Led Zeppelin never ever claimed they wrote Babe Im Gonna Leave You 👍
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
@@dooda77penn19 1. Nobody knew who wrote it at the time. It was thought to be an old traditional song. No internet back then. 2. Yes, Zeppelin heard it on a Joan Baez album. Baez credited it as "traditional". So Zeppelin followed suit. 3. Its not a rip off. They never claimed they wrote it and it bares almost no resemblance to the Bredon song. 4. Try and inform yourself.
@dooda77penn19
Жыл бұрын
@Lyndon CMP I am informed, written in 1959, only a few years earlier, nobody knew, really?, lyrics are identical,
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
@@dooda77penn19 You are informed NOW, as am I, because Bredon came forward in the 1980s and said "hey that's MY song, it's not traditional". Neither Baez or Zeppelin back in the 1960s knew who wrote it. Baez crediting as "traditional" is even worse.
@MegaSting1981
Жыл бұрын
How many bands have 'took' from Zeppelin? More than a few I shouldn't wonder.
@InsideTheSong
Жыл бұрын
Good stuff. I'd say it's time for a Classic Album Review in-depth look at the groundbreaking first album by Kingdom Come.
@Robutube1
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this intriguing, murky tale. For whatever reason, and even though I was in their prime demographic during their heyday, I never got in to Led Zep, despite their ubiquity. Now, where did I put that tin hat?
@craigdickinson1796
Жыл бұрын
Projectile primed and ready to launch.
@Robutube1
Жыл бұрын
@@craigdickinson1796 😁
@garyh.238
Жыл бұрын
Ditto for me Robutube. Zeppelin were a fine band, but I never got into the hype about them.
@Robutube1
Жыл бұрын
@@garyh.238 Whisper it VERY quietly on here Gary😉!
@garyh.238
Жыл бұрын
@@Robutube1I hear you! 😊 Anything a over a whisper is surely going to provoke consternation!
@johngalush8790
Жыл бұрын
Taurus' had no lyrics and it was crap. Stairway was a song with philosophy and a distinct melody. Zeppelin deserves ownership for it.
@CMI2017
Жыл бұрын
''To be a rock and not to roll'' is not philosophy. It's twaddle.
@johngalush8790
Жыл бұрын
@CMI2017 ...and as you wind on down the road, your shadow's taller than your soul. Twaddle face.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
CMI2017, Er it actually means to stay steady and not be beaten. Wakey wakey.
@CMI2017
Жыл бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751 Only the cretins would say such a thing and that lyric has been mocked for 50 years. That song also contains an obvious error about the nature of gold but the average Zep fan doesn't know. Good idea for you not to post - too ignorant.
@Bottump
Жыл бұрын
I still don't think they stole much more than others. These five songs listed are the ONLY songs Led Zeppelin have had to change songwriting credits. They released 81 songs from led Zep 1 to Coda. That makes 76 of their songs original enough to not have amended credits. Yes there are other cheeky thefts here and there, but they usually improve on what they have been inspired by. People often forget to mention that The Small Faces also did not credit Willie Dixon for their song You Need Loving. I suppose because The Small Faces song was not a hit, no one notices or cares.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Shhhh how dare you tell the truth 👍
@anthonyscully2998
Жыл бұрын
It's often hard to work out the real author. Ram jam credited howling wolf for black Betty. It was later found that howling wolf was not the author and that it was a traditional song
@juliemanarin4127
Жыл бұрын
They did not rip them off! Everyone covers old songs...and they did it better than anyone else that's for sure!
@pmcclaren1
Жыл бұрын
INTEGRITY. Truth is the only thing that matters. Anything less is a lie; plain & simple. Mr CAB, thanks so much for giving us the truth of LZ. Light exposes darkness every time.
@SongSwan
Жыл бұрын
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure,just credit where credit is due.
@lupcokotevski2907
Жыл бұрын
Jake Holmes co wrote with Bob Gaudio of the Four Seasons all the songs on Frank Sinatra's 1970 concept album Watertown.
@tomhenninger4153
Жыл бұрын
As much as I loves me some Zep, I totally agree. Growing up in the 70s we didn't seem to have access to all the information to even know they were pilfering... so I was defensive. Now I totally hear it and get it. Not cool on their part. And I agree on the Stairway question... Rock on!
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Zeppelin won the court case for Stairway. Twice. It was proven Spirit never ever played Taurus live in 1968/69 and certainly not when Zeppelin shared a bill with them. The set lists survived. No Taurus. Besides, Jimmy Page proved he played an opening almost identical to Stairway on a 1968 song called Ice Cream Dreams by Cartoone, when he was guest guitarist. This was before Zeppelin ever went to America. Page stole from.... himself.
@garyh.238
Жыл бұрын
Randy California's song Taurus vs. Led Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven had its day in court. Clever, high-priced lawyers representing Zep prevailed over lesser resourced California's estate. So money talks over truth. However, an even more intriguing question is how did Zeppelin also get away with pilfering CCR's Ramble Tamble middle section at 2:10 and inserting an eerily similar middle section into Stairway? That one has mainly flown under the radar.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
GARY H Do you actually seriously believe Randy California was the first person to come up with that chord progression? 😂
@barrymoore4470
Жыл бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751 Yes, on this point I for one am convinced that neither California or Zeppelin were the creators of that. Abigail Devoe on her KZitem channel has demonstrated persuasively that that particular chord progression can be traced back as far as the sixteenth century. Many composers and musicians used it recurrently in the intervening centuries.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Barry Moore Yes, its a pretty ubiquitous chord progression used by many people. There are only so many chord progressions.
@streamofconsciousness5826
Жыл бұрын
I saw a video of the Original guy playing The Lemon song, and Page plays the leads under the vocals note for note, Buddies opening scream/howl is not as powerful as Plants but over all there was really no difference between the two songs, it was a Cover in every sense of the Word. Except the Original guy is playing Guitar and Singing. Babe I'm gonna Leave you, that's too bad about that one, one of Pages best solo's, now I will always think they tried to pass this off as their own. Imagine these two rock stars with all kinds of money for decades having it all sued away from them in their old age by descendants of the people they ripped off. One guy had to wait over 30 years to collect from them, that's rude. And these guys they "borrowed" from were POOR. Integrity before Money.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Seeing as Zeppelin NEVER tried to pass Babe Im Gonna Leave You as their own, I'm scratching my head. It was originally credited as "traditional, arranged by Jimmy Page".
@benzep3467
Жыл бұрын
I guess you mean I can't quit you, Baby. A song performed by Otis Rush, as Plant mentioned many times during concerts.
@benzep3467
Жыл бұрын
Ow, and yeah, it was a cover, credited by Zep to Willie Dixon. But I doubt Dixon wrote all the guitarparts and fills that Otis Rush did..
@Justin_Kipper
Жыл бұрын
ALL "out-of-court" settlements are undisclosed sums, lol. As far as "ripping-off" a song from a genre that is entirely based on a 1-4-5 chord progression...well, I don't see how that can actually be a thing...
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Howling Wolf reputedly received a cheque for 45,000 dollars in 1972 (about 350,000 today) plus subsequent additional royalties from that moment on. His estate has probably made a million or more off it. Not bad for someone "borrowing" some of his song.
@davidpack4158
Жыл бұрын
The songs they used were so weak they needed help zeppelin took them and just gave them so much energy and power I didn't even know these old artist and their works until zeppelin made them so great but where's the appreciation for zeppelin these old artist only start bitching after zeppelin made them stick out
@davidpack4158
Жыл бұрын
And Joan biez (babe I'm gonna leave you sounds like a cow in distress
@michaelwilson2340
Жыл бұрын
They make Oasis look positively original.
@duringthemeanwhilst
Жыл бұрын
the drum intro to Rock & Roll - lifted straight from Little Richard??
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
It was an obvious tribute. That's why the song is called Rock and Roll. Wakey wakey.
@_MrAvocado_
Жыл бұрын
you wanna copyright drum fills now? 😂 drummers have lifted Bonham's style and made a whole career out of it.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
@@_MrAvocado_ Yep, Bonhams style is everywhere, from rock to hip hop to dance.
@AlexAlexon3897
Жыл бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751: Right. And Kingdom Come did an "obvious tribute" to Zeppelin with Get It On. Problem solved, and you can stop making yourself sound bitter. Less bitter - lots better!
@robmac6508
Жыл бұрын
Thanks , excellent video. I love Led Zeppelin as much as the next person. Brilliant band, however brilliance does not justify blatant, outright musical thievery, it doesn't make it OK. Led Zep thievery apologists please note😊
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
The blues was full of thievery. I guess that's where Zeppelin learned how to do it.
@blogocramTrioFerdydurkE
Жыл бұрын
'Storm' by Shawn Phillips from 1965, is another contender for "inspiration" for Babe I'm Gonna Leave You...
@clivesilver463
Жыл бұрын
Don't really worry or care, I think if the song is made better then so what, in truth had Led Zeppelin not become the stomping Godzilla of rock, nobody would have given a shit.
@massimosaffioti8798
Жыл бұрын
My favorite is How Many More Times... with at least 4 pilfered sources at my count ... Howlin' Wolf's How Many More Years Pete Seeger's Kisses Sweeter Than Wine popularly covered by Jimmy Rodgers Albert King's The Hunter popularly covered by Free And of course the ending Boldly nicks a chord pattern from Jimi Hendrix' Bold as Love I would have to mention their pilfering of Memphis Minnie's When the Levee Breaks but seeing as Bonham's drum track was in turn the most widely "sampled" piece of music EVER... well I suppose that I can avoid wagging the dastardly finger of shame in that direction. As always a well thought out and enjoyable presentation my friend... Cheers!
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Led Zeppelin credited Memphis Minnie for When The Levee Breaks right from the first pressings of Led Zeppelin IV.
@massimosaffioti8798
Жыл бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751 Thanks... I didn't realize that
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
@@massimosaffioti8798 No worries 👍
@benzep3467
Жыл бұрын
And in fact it is Howlin Wolfe's No place to go. Check it out 😊
@bonscott6353
Жыл бұрын
Heard the doobie brothers long train runnin on the radio a few years back, released in 1974, immediately thought wow this basically trampled underfoot, released in 1975. This one never seems to get mentioned on these lists.
@garyh.238
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. And check out CCR's song Ramble Tamble at 2:10 and see how suspiciously similar it is to Stairway's middle section.
@email5023
Жыл бұрын
Listen to Stevie Wonder's "Superstition" and then to Trampled Underfoot.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Zeppelin were inspired by both Doobie Brothers and Stevie Wonder. Trampled Underfoot clearly isn't a rip off.
@garyh.238
Жыл бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751 Zeppelin seems to have been "inspired" by many! 😆
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
GARY, Not a fraction of who were er "inspired" by Led Zeppelin. Its hilarious watching early Ian Gillan blatantly aping Robert Plant 😂
@lesblatnyak5947
Жыл бұрын
There have been bands from all countries with different folk cultures throughout history that always used the past to mold the present only to shape the future. Zeppelin did that brilliantly.
@CMI2017
Жыл бұрын
There are two parts to this. Firstly, we demand that artists are their own creators. That has been true since Beethoven. It makes the work genuine, sure, everyone borrows but then recasts it in their own image. Page rearranged the work which is not making it his. Another version of the Beatles' Something is not that singers, it's just an arrangement. Secondly, they took and made money from it because publishing rights are the most valuable. They had a contract with a major label, with lawyers, and no one knew. Funny that. The music business was ever full of crooks which is why Peter Grant was so valuable.
@billb6646
Жыл бұрын
I'll bet no one posting here can match the talent any of the the 4 members of Led Zep have/had. Critics will never change.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
While giving others who also took without credit a free ride. One person in particular here won't accept Deep Purple were thieves who STILL get away with it.
@garyh.238
Жыл бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751 That would be me, and remember Purple was, is and will always be a superior group of musicians who didn't need to create a mythology around them, nor were they the beneficiaries of giant-sized HYPE by corporate interests. If Purple had had Peter Grant as a manager instead of they former clothing salesmen they had, the story would be quite different.
@AlexAlexon3897
Жыл бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751: Here is where I agree with you, because Blackmore has admitted his borrowings, viz: Mandrake Root - Foxy Lady, and Lost Soul (Bill Parkinson); Wring That Neck - unnamed classical piece (by Saint-Saens or Debussy?); Black Night - Summertime (Ricky Nelson); Speed King - Fire, and Stone Free (both Hendrix); Into the Fire - 21st Century Schizoid Man; Pictures of Home - Bulgarian radio!; Lazy - Stepping Out (Clapton/Cream); Space Truckin' - Batman (or James Bond Theme?); Woman from Tokyo - Cat Squirrel (Clapton); Rat Bat Blue - Watch Your Step (Bobby Parker) - and that gave Jimmy Page the basis for Moby Dick as well; Burn - Fascinating Rhythm (Gershwin); and Love Don't Mean a Thing - an American busker who gave him the riff free! Child in Time comes from Jon Lord's jamming on Bombay Calling (It's a Beautiful Day). I'd say Purple have got away with these borrowings more often than Zeppelin because the sources are more diverse, and because Zeppelin are the bigger of the two bands. By the way, Bill Parkinson settled for a few hundred quid for Mandrake Root, and that song was to Purple what Dazed & Confused was to Zeppelin.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
@@garyh.238 You do know that Zeppelin didn't even hire a publicist (Danny Goldberg) until 1973.......... 5 years after they started and after they'd already had 4 number one albums. Right? Think you'll find it was Deep Purple who appeared on Top Of the Pops etc, not Led Zeppelin. Zeppelin never performed on either British or American tv and never even released singles in Britain. Zeppelin were all hype? Oh please.
@garyh.238
Жыл бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751 I already covered this issue in a previous post. Zep were not massively hyped back in the day, nor was Purple. (The music press back then couldn't stand either of them. Ditto for Black Sabbath). They were all underground back then. As rock music grew into an arena / stadium phenomenon from about 1973 onwards through the 70's, the music industry papers starting hyping all bands more. Hence the arrival of publicists, etc. As Purple started to go through internal rife / personnel changes...a lot of it due to being poorly managed (they needed a Peter Grant-like figure to protect them), they fell from their position of biggest band in the world circa 1972-1974. Zeppelin's blessing was that it stayed together as one unit with no personnel changes until Bonham's untimely death. From that point onward, Zeppelin's legend grew - out of proportion. Death has a way of doing that (read: Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, John Lennon, Kurt Cobain, et al). As it became obvious to the corporate music industry / press that Zeppelin was no longer going to make new music product, the best way to generate revenue from the band was to embark on a massive hype campaign through magazine coverage, various media retrospectives, etc. It continues to this day.
@billmacarthur5310
Жыл бұрын
In contrast Cream gave full credit to the writers of their songs I'm So Glad by Skip James specifically.
@petertromp8786
Жыл бұрын
You can acknowledge that Led Zeppelin was a great band, and also acknowledge that they were among the scummiest, most pilfering popular musical artists in history. I count Physical Graffiti as hands down their greatest album, and among my personal favourites of all time, but now I wonder how much of it was "borrowed", if not outright stolen.
@garyh.238
Жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@garyh.238
Жыл бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751 yes but those credits were inserted ONLY after court action was threatened and settlements made.
@ArmandoMPR
Жыл бұрын
Did they ever bring on tour some of the black musicians they obviously were inspired by? People like BB King and Howling Wolf, for example?
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Gary H Incorrect. The first pressings of Led Zeppelin I in early 1969 credited Willie Dixon fully for You Shook Me and I Can't Quit You Baby. Dixon never went after Zeppelin for the first album because they credited him. Dixon only went after Zeppelin later on for Whole Lotta Love and Bring It On Home.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Gary H Did black American musician Lowell Fulson credited Page for taking his riff from The Yardbirds 1966 song Happenings Ten Years Time Ago and basing his 1967 song Tramp around that riff? I think you'll find he didn't. Nor did Jimmy Page give a damn.
@markecclestone9324
Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised the use of "The Hunter" (written by Booker T. Jones, et.al.) within "How Many More Times" doesn't usually get cited within this discussion/proceedings.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Because it's merely a snippet midway through a song clearly thrown in as a homage.
@davidreilly8888
Жыл бұрын
Without a doubt...best band in history.
@jefferysteen1041
Жыл бұрын
Great!Now do a video on bands that ripoff Led Zeppelin!Might be kinda long
@classicalbum
Жыл бұрын
On it!
@garyh.238
Жыл бұрын
Add Greta Van Fleet to the very top of that list.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
We'll be going for fifty years with that 😂
@CraigHollabaugh
Жыл бұрын
Love your creative phrasing for your little digs. Be well. Thanks from Colorado.
@classicalbum
Жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@iconicon5642
Жыл бұрын
Very witty today. They were a genuinely unpleasant lot for a period no doubt sometimes with justification when dealing with rip off merchants.
@Im_Cornpop_sucka
Жыл бұрын
well, they'd know a rip off merchant when they saw one.
@FuturePast2019
Жыл бұрын
5:10 Whole lot of stealing, but Page came up with that riff...
@sifusays9242
Жыл бұрын
My friend it's like so many possible metamorphic comparisons I never heard of any of these people you mention except for Joan Baez but the one you mentioned about the group Taurus if that's the closest it wasn't very good . Led Zeppelin are musical geniuses. And they probably settle out of court do to legal fees not worth the aggravation. Led Zeppelin by far and still the most talented group in rock history period.
@garyh.238
Жыл бұрын
Deep Purple rank right up there with Zeppelin.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
GARY H As thieves?
@garyh.238
Жыл бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751 No as musicians. In fact Purple were far better musicians than any of the Zepsters. All the Zep men were great, but Purple were a notch above. Undeniable.
@benzep3467
Жыл бұрын
@@garyh.238I guess that's a matter of taste. I love Gillian, but Plant has that blue note. Blackmore is epic and extremely funny, Page has more depth and is more versatile imho. Nobody beats John Paul Jones. Paice as well as Bonham have the groove, are the backbone so to speak. But Bonham makes me move more. Leaves me Lord, a bit underrated, I guess. On topic, Purple stole the music for Black Night and Child in Time. But they were and are totally open on that. As well as the reversed Beethoven riff. Maybe more...
@davidbollinger9660
Жыл бұрын
No, Led Zeppelin is not a “cover band.” Led Zeppelin is the world’s most spectacularly successful “garage band.”
@susanvancampen9122
Жыл бұрын
What about When the Levee Breaks ? They took original credit, it now goes to Memphis Minnie. The original author and performer.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
They gave credit to Memphis Minnie right from the beginning. Go look at the first pressings of Led Zeppelin IV.
@davidsimon2096
Жыл бұрын
What irks me the most about Page's blatant rip off of Bert Janschs' Black Waterside is that he doesn't even improve on it. Listen to the original next to Zep's and you quickly realize what a master guitarist Jansch was whereas Page is dare I say it -pretty sloppy by comparison. I know I'm going to get harsh comments from Zep fans but frankly I don't care.
@garyh.238
Жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
He improved on it with Bron-yr-Aur. A far superior and more beautiful acoustic instrumental than Black Mountainside/Black Waterside. Then of course the gorgeous The Rain Song, which Jansch had no comprehension of composing.
@benzep3467
Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, can't listen to the original, cause the song is like 600 years old. Unless you are like 650 years old, you can't have heard it either. Did Page take it from Jansch? I would guess so. Al Stewart told that he taught the song to Page.
@nervo6321
Жыл бұрын
Dazed and Confused…nicked or not is a fantastic Zeppelin rock classic .
@craig8542
10 ай бұрын
for me Bruce, don't matter. greatest band ever.they never stole FOR YOUR LIFE that's why I'm Obelisk although Physical Graffiti, IMHO, is the only album you ever need. But on your subject matter, Bert Jansch! c'mon Jimmy, shake it on down! Give respect to !
@Albertanator
Жыл бұрын
I think it is fair to say that of all the great super groups, Zeppelin plagarized more then any of them....I think you were being generous here.....there are other songs on other sites that others allude to Zeppelin plagarizing....I am not aware of the Stones or Beatles and The Who of being accused of such behavior...at least not to this degree.....
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
The Beatles were sued twice. Harrison even lost a case post Beatles. There is an entire book on The Beatles being thieves. The Beatles, Extraordinary Plagiarists by Edgar Cruz. Nearly all of Deep Purples most well known songs were part stolen from others.
@AnthonyKiyola
Жыл бұрын
When I first heard Bob Dylan’s In My Time of Dying I thought "This is a Led Zeppelin song. Bob must be a time traveller." That was the first time I realized that one of their songs wasn't wholly original. Anyway, I still love Zeppelin... just wish they were a little more up front.
@MegaSting1981
Жыл бұрын
The whole musical arrangement of Zeppelin's is their own at least. They should have changed the title to 'beans on toast' and wrote the song about Plant buying beans and nobody would care.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Its not Bob Dylans song either though. Its older, in the public domain with no known author.
@AnthonyKiyola
Жыл бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751 I know. I meant Dylan’s ’version of’. However, Dylan credited it as a traditional song but Zeppelin didn't so I had always thought it was an original Zeppelin song.
@andrewgraham5527
Жыл бұрын
Folky Skullduggery, Rumble on, love the humour sir
@KenSwiatek
Жыл бұрын
babe i'm gona leave you - arrangement was the Associaton's!
@stephanegosselin2861
Жыл бұрын
It’s a crime (not of the century) as long as credit is given where it’s due Led Zeppelin made a lot of money and love 😉
@nickytaylor4123
Жыл бұрын
One that's never mentioned is the way in which their insrumental Moby Dick used Watch my Step by Bobby Parker. It is identical. The Beatles got inspiration for I feel fine from the same source, but changed it enough for it to sound original. Bobby Parker never did anything about either song because he took it from a Dizzy Gilespie recording.! I seriously believe though, that the extent of Led Zeps thievery can be overstated. Look at the example of their most magninificent musical achievement When the Levee Breaks. Listen to Memphis Minnie"s original. It's a ragtime number in open G. It bears little resemblance to the sprawling masterpiece that Led Zeppelin created. If they had changed the lyrics it would be totally their creation. The same could be said of Cream"s version of Crossroads, which is utterly different to the original.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Moby Dick only used it for the intro and outro. The actual solo has nothing to do with Parker. The Beatles madeta whole song out of it. Anyway, Parker himself stole it from elsewhere. 😂
@davidwright9318
Жыл бұрын
Difference shouldn’t matter..They should give credit wherever and however it’s due..end of…Page’s arrogance notwithstanding.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
@@davidwright9318 What about the arrogance of Lennon and McCartney? They made a whole song out of it. Mind you, Parker himself stole it 😂.
@garyh.238
Жыл бұрын
@@davidwright9318 Agreed. Arrogance appears to be part of the Zepsters' brand.
@dennismason3740
Жыл бұрын
Supertramp made a perfect album called Crime of the Century. Then they kept trying...forever and effin' ever...
@garyh.238
Жыл бұрын
Though not listed as a top level pilfering, probably because Zeppelin prevailed in court proceedings against the lesser-financially resourced Randy California estate on the matter of pilfering of the Spirit song Taurus, which was alleged to have been the basis of the intro to Stairway; how about the middle section of Creedence Clearwater Revival's song "Ramble Tamble" at 2:10 which appears to also have been pilfered and inserted into the middle section of Stairway? Check it out.....very suspicious.
@barrymoore4470
Жыл бұрын
Agreed, the resemblance just seems too strong to be coincidental.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Zeppelin won the court against Spirit because it was proven Spirit never ever played Taurus live in 1968/69 and certainly not when Zeppelin shared a bill with them. The set lists survived. No Taurus. Besides, Jimmy Page proved he played an opening almost identical to Stairway on a 1968 song called Ice Cream Dreams by Cartoone, when he was guest guitarist. This was before Zeppelin ever went to America. Page stole from.... himself.
@garyh.238
Жыл бұрын
@@barrymoore4470 Hi Barry. Yes this topic has been revived once again!
@garyh.238
Жыл бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751 Taurus was already recorded however. It was out there on record and in concerts well before Stairway was penned. However, as noted above, Taurus is not the only issue....checkout the middle section at 2:10 of CCR's Ramble Tamble which was written many months before Stairway.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
GARY H, You are not familiar with the court case are you? The accusation again Zeppelin was that Zeppelin heard Taurus when they shared a bill 3 times with Spirit in 1968/69. Unfortunately for Spirit, the defence was able to prove via surviving set lists that Spirit never played Taurus live in 1968/69 so there was no way Zeppelin could have heard it when sharing a bill with Spirit. The case began falling apart there and then. Nor could Spirit show they invented that chord progression. It actually dates back hundreds of years and has been used all over the place.
@200405InVision
Жыл бұрын
Generally it's's a tried and tested route to commercial success. Take others' good but relatively unsuccessful visionary and pioneering ideas and make them work for your own fame and financial gain. Every poet is a thief? For every Nick Drake there are thousands of potential Led Zeps and Oasis's. Even McCartney admitted to plagiarism. Bowie was the expert though. Supertramp Crime, a brilliant album and a nice T.
@Ed9870
Жыл бұрын
Zep certainly took lyrical liberties with blues classics and idoims they admired, and took them sonically to musical places they'd never been. That's what makes them so original.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
When The Levee Breaks is sonic perfection.
@evileyes4070
Жыл бұрын
When you gonna review Paul Stanley Soul Station
@rushbravado1972
Жыл бұрын
Maybe Zeppelin should have had an album called In Court. On a different note nice Supertramp "Crime Of The Century" shirt. We need some Supertramp reviews.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Why? They only went to court for one song, and rightly won that case. They never argued against any other songs. They admitted it and paid up.
@classicalbum
Жыл бұрын
I think they were used a few times and settled out of court. I mention at least three occasions in the video
@davidjb1701
Жыл бұрын
Great video. I love your sense of humour
@peterbadham3080
Жыл бұрын
How many more times or how many more years as it was.Blatent lift
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Actually it was a live jam they used to do before they recorded the first album so they threw it as they didn't have enough songs. The main song is their own, with snippets of homages.
@peterbadham3080
Жыл бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751 the main song is how many more times by howling wolf with the hunter by Albert King thrown in so its mostly nicked
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
@@peterbadham3080 The main song is hardly a thing like the Howling Wolf song. Even Howling Wolf didn't think so. The Albert King thing was thrown in as a homage. It's a tribute. Not nicked. They used to throw lots of blues bits in live as a tribute during blues medleys.
@peterbadham3080
Жыл бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751 pity they couldn't acknowledge these songs in the credits but then they never did. Strangely enough the hunter appears on Free's debut and on their live album and is credited to booker T and the MG's A different world!
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
@@peterbadham3080 What do you mean "they never did?". On the very first album they fully credited Willie Dixon for You Shook Me and I Can't Quit You Baby right from the first pressings, without any litigation. He got 100% credit for both songs. You've fallen for the myth that just because they didn't ALWAYS credit that equates to they NEVER credited. They did. At least half a dozen times. Memphis Minnie was credited on IV, Mrs Valens was credited on Physical Graffiti, and Robert Johnson, Sleepy John Estees and Ben E King were all credited on other releases. All without any legal action. You have much to learn, so please try.
@matthewmarana4573
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, this argument will never go away. Oh it's quite documented. Did they borrow, knick and steal? Sure. They borrowed your Honda Civic and brought you back a Lamborghini. Their creativity is still unmatched. By the way, your last example of stairway versus Taurus was ridiculous that chord progression is used in hundreds of other songs. This is a case of the popular kid in the class getting all of the attention for the wrong reasons.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
I have no idea why this Stairway nonsense is still going after Zeppelin proved their case in court. Twice.
@garyh.238
Жыл бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751 In a U.S. court. Had the case been filed in Canada under Canadian copyright law, the outcome might have been different. Different elements would have been examined in Canada.
@garyh.238
Жыл бұрын
Well if Lift Zeppelin borrowed Willie Dixon's Honda Civic, did they initially share their Lamborghini with him, or did they only give him the keys after he threatened to sue? And as for the chord progression argument.....if that was the only benchmark used in musical composition, no there would not be any issue. But the arpeggiation, timing, rhythm, harmonics on Stairway were uncannily similar to Taurus....that however was not "heard" in court....only sheet music and musical theory were visually examined and analyzed in those civil proceedings.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
@@garyh.238 Total nonsense. Its actually more similar to Page's opening in Ice Cream Dreams from 1968. Taurus: Am Am7 Amm7 Am6 Am D Am G Stairway : Am Am7 Amm7 D F G Am F E Only musical ignoramuses think Stairway is the same or even very similar, to Taurus. A jury decided unanimously 8-0 in court. Spirit's case fell apart after a string of falsities. The first falsity was claiming they played Taurus live when Zeppelin shared a bill with them. It was proven they didn't. The second falsity was Mark Andes claiming he went drinking in pubs with Robert Plant after Spirit played a gig in Birmingham, England in early 1970. Plant was able to prove that was another falsity because he was with his wife Maureen and could prove he drove home straight afterwards, whereupon he was involved in a, serious car accident and both him and Maureen were taken to hospital. This was even in the newspapers the next day, and police and hospital records were sources. The police even had to knock on Jimmy Page's house a hundred miles away in Pangbourne to tell him. Zeppelin's tour of the UK was postponed. Plant had windscreen glass buried in his head and needed to recover. You very obviously DIDN'T follow the case close, sunshine.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
@@garyh.238 "Well if Lift Zeppelin borrowed Willie Dixon's Honda Civic, did they initially share their Lamborghini with him, or did they only give him the keys after he threatened to sue?" Zeppelin already shared the Lamborghini with Dixon when they chose to cover not one but two Dixon songs on the first album, giving him full songwriting credit for You Shook Me and I Can't Quit You Baby right from the beginning and without being sued. Zeppelin probably felt he wouldn't mind them taking a few lyrics for Whole Lotta Love on the second album, seeing as he'd already been given songwriting credit for nearly 1/4 of the first album. The intro to Bring It On Home was clearly a homage. The song itself is original Zeppelin. Nothing to do with Dixon.
@davidhealy4534
Жыл бұрын
How about doing one on the songs and bands who ripped of Zeppelin. It's a loooong list. Soundgarden, Sabbath,Whitesnake,KISS, on and on and on.......
@dociebiemowie915
10 ай бұрын
They stole quite a bit and tried to hide it. That alone is criminal hence they were sued many times. Then there are the lyrics. Extremely lame. Zeppelin is best listen if you don’t pay attention to their lyrics.
@anthonyburgess3683
Жыл бұрын
Second show... in my time of dying, custard pie, when the levee breaks, nobodys fault but mine
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
In My Time of Dying = public domain with no known author. Zeppelin's version is 95% original. Custard Pie = 95% original with a bit of a homage to Bukka White thrown in. When The Levee Breaks = already part credited to Memphis Minnie right from the first pressings of Led Zeppelin IV in 1971. Nobody's Fault But Mine = fair point, although Zeppelins version is 90% original. Second video should be about all those who stole from Zeppelin, but it'd be going on for years and years.
@FuturePast2019
Жыл бұрын
Since I've Been Loving You is great buuuuuuuut...Original: Working from 11 to 7 every night 🙂
@vman365
Жыл бұрын
Now, now. Let's not pick on Led Zeppelin. So they used some people's stuff and , lets make no bones about it, improved on them. Naughty Barry. LOL
@FuturePast2019
Жыл бұрын
They stole from ... Black blues men and woman (When the Levee Breaks). No shame, Mr Page?
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Jack D You're actually citing a song where they credited Memphis Minnie? 😂
@hartleycwhite
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your continued great work. Although I have Led Zeppelin albums, I do believe that most of their first four albums were at times very iffy, to put it kindly. Zeppelin was a great group, but they were dishonest in their use of other musicians(mainly blues) songs(check out Muddy Waters). I believe if you're successful with some other persons creation, you should at least credit them.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Nah. A couple on the first album and a couple on the second album.
@hartleycwhite
Жыл бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751 Please expand your musical knowledge by investigating the music and catalog of Robert Johnson, Leadbelly, Muddy Waters, Howling Wolf, and Willie Dixon among others, then listen to Led Zeppelin's first four albums and tell me again that they only appropriated a couple songs for each of their first two albums.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
@@hartleycwhite Im well aware of all those artists thank you. Due precisely to Led Zeppelin. I wouldn't be away of them without Led Zeppelin. Nothing iffy on the 3rd and 4th albums. On III they credited Gallows Pole as "traditional" , and in truth that's an old British Isles folk song, not a blues song, so they brought it back home to Britain. Leadbelly, er 'appropriated' it himself. Hats off To Harper is a joke. A piss take. Nobody cares about it, even Zeppelin afficionados. Probably the most inconsequential track they ever did. On IV they part credited Memphis Minnie for When The Levee Breaks right from the first pressings of that album. So again nothing iffy on the 4th album. Now go and tell me Immigrant Song, Thats The Way, Black Dog, Misty Mountain Hop etc were stolen from poor old black blues guys 😂.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
@@hartleycwhite Led Zeppelin III: Immigrant Song Friends Celebration Day Since I've Been Loving You Out On The Tiles Gallows Pole That's The Way Tangerine Bron-yr-Aur Stomp Hats off To Harper Which of those songs are iffy, stolen off old blues songs? I can only see the humorous throwaway last song. If that song was left off the album would have been better off, replacing it with Hey Hey What Can I Do. Led Zeppelin IV: Black Dog Rock and Roll The Battle of Evermore Stairway To Heaven Misty Mountain Hop Four Sticks Going To California When The Levee Breaks Which of those songs are iffy, stolen off old blues songs? When The Levee Breaks was co-credited to Memphis Minnie, and there was no litigation from her estate.
@hartleycwhite
Жыл бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751 I'm happy to say that the records speak for themselves, despite the opinions of others like yourselves. My sympathy for those 'poor old black blues guys'(as you put it) who were ripped off by the many British bands(principal among them Led Zeppelin) who went on to make millions . And what about Zeppelin ripoff(they won the case) of the Spirit's song for 'Stairway' ? A guess a thief is still a thief, no matter how you dress it up, or say they didn't steal as much as you think.🥱🥱
@martincrockett7113
Жыл бұрын
There is no such thing as original music, all music is created from either the subconscious or conscious (it can't come from a vacuum). Even those blues originals were influenced by something; Gospel do doubt.
@Ballardian
Жыл бұрын
Maybe, but there is a difference between being 'inspired by' stuff and outright thievery. Zep behaved like twats (although I'll happily still listen to them).
@martincrockett7113
Жыл бұрын
@@Ballardian Well I suppose only Mr Page really knows how his record collection influenced him. As the band have paid out of court settlements then I suppose this proves guilt, however, it's probably cheaper than lengthy court cases and they are not exactly short of cash! Cash being the main motive I suspect. Another of Page's infuences is supposedly the occult (which definitely comes through on some of his guitar solo's) so I just hope the devil hasn't noticed and wants some pay back!🤣
@nervo6321
Жыл бұрын
Led Zeppelin = Cheeky Pants…classic😁
@charlesbronson4282
Жыл бұрын
Physical Graffiti is Zeppelin at their very BEST
@marccaron6008
Жыл бұрын
I wasn't aware of this. Glad I never bought any of their records.
@magicalmystery1964
Жыл бұрын
I do not have the blind adoration towards Zeppelin that so many of your viewers have. I actively despise Jimmy Page and always will. However, Jones and Plant I do have a lot of respect for and they have actually made good music after Zeppelin. Something you can’t accuse Page of.
@audionmusic2787
Жыл бұрын
More slander against the past.
@paulbrookes413
Жыл бұрын
Notes😂
@cleanslate2004
Жыл бұрын
When it's not successful, very few care, but when it is, it's kind of a nest egg & if the pilfered is still in the business he or she gets free press. Then there's common licks & phrases that are attributed to old artist that we're "aware" of. There's lots & lots of those especially in blues & country, but also in every other genre, including classical. Most musicians, especially community one's know this well. Meloncamps "Rocking in the USA" instimentally is the same as the Romantics "What I like about you". I don't remember it resulting in any legal actions. Community bands take care to separate them or interchange them to freshen their sets quickly. These days folks can copy right others names. .
@classicalbum
Жыл бұрын
That's the point Plant makes
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
The Dixon estate didn't bother to sue The Small Faces for stealing far more of You Need Love. No money in it.
@PetraKann
Жыл бұрын
Almost all rock and roll is plagiarised
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
Zeppelin are the most stolen FROM band ever.
@PetraKann
Жыл бұрын
@@lyndoncmp5751 The Arts is about theft and progress. Elvis didnt pop up in a vacuum. Having said that there are some musical artists that are so revolutionary and unique that they do appear to have come from another planet.
@lyndoncmp5751
Жыл бұрын
@@PetraKann Absolutely. When people use a source, transform it and make a progressive artistic statement out of it..... that others then take from and use later on .... then all is fair. It goes around and around. Cheers 👍
@jesse9874
Жыл бұрын
Good artists borrow, greater artists steal.
@stevemorse108
Ай бұрын
Are you related to Donald trump?👐🏻
@classicalbum
Ай бұрын
I wish he's lend me a few quid
@andypettit5869
Жыл бұрын
Everyone does it, they made it better, but they still evolved musical simulation.. it's capitalism. Just think, you probably would never had ever heard those songs sound so glorious!
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