@@manjitsoni9676 i like your funny words magic man
@88porpoise
3 жыл бұрын
Amazing how such simple mechanical features can be so important yet easily overlooked.
@jic1
3 жыл бұрын
If it works properly, you'd probably never even know it was there in the first place.
@nicholaspatton5590
3 жыл бұрын
Lol jic1 sounds like the government.
@TheWirksworthGunroom
3 жыл бұрын
An excellent description and demonstration.
@vaclav_fejt
3 жыл бұрын
I love the Enfield arrangement. I've loved it even before I've known it - on ballpoint pens.
@keithcarpenter5254
3 жыл бұрын
Simple two click spring detent!
@jic1
3 жыл бұрын
And that's why ballpoint pens never fire out-of-battery.
@seancarter9544
3 жыл бұрын
That was very interesting to watch. I love seeing just how well thought-out these mechanical devices are, and how even seemingly simple bolt rifles have a great amount of technical engineering that goes into the intricacies of their designs. Thanks for the late-night education. Cheers from the US
@chessgenius6200
3 жыл бұрын
I'm impressed. Your Lee-Enfield tramp stamp was slightly less visible in this video ;)
@wierdalien1
3 жыл бұрын
Someones got to wave the flag.
@keithcarpenter5254
3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@fudj12
3 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a range video to find out if they would still fire when the sear drops on a half closed bolt.
@dbmail545
3 жыл бұрын
It won't. This is how I decock all my bolt guns. I've experimented and it won't even set off a rimfire.
@JR9979
2 жыл бұрын
Check out the Bloke on the range Rates of fire disaster video. They have a Long Lee with a (Back in the day) filed down sear to get a butter smooth trigger pull....running the bolt military style the sear fails and the half cock stops the rifle from going off.
@Petterstrojka
3 жыл бұрын
Most 98 actions have an additional safety in the "wings" on the front of the firing pin that fits into recesses in the inside bolt face. The firing pin can only protrude if the bolt is in battery. The good old swedish mauser has a different take on the concept, a hole in the bolt body has to line up with a protruding lug on the top side of the trigger. You can't pull the trigger unless the bolt is in battery!
@rickoshea8138
3 жыл бұрын
Very clear. Not a redundant detail anywhere.
@xcalibre5929
3 жыл бұрын
Minor mechanical details are always interesting, that's the best thing of your channel
@kingwiththeax6880
3 жыл бұрын
I’ve noticed the same design in the Mosin. If the bolt isn’t rotated fully closed, and you pull the trigger, it actually rotates the rest of the way closed as the striker moves forward.
@dbmail545
3 жыл бұрын
Nearly all bolt guns do this. It is the easiest and safest way to decock them.
@michelguevara151
3 жыл бұрын
excellent detail video , bloke, really well shot. thank the gods you use the the correct technical terms. never seen the gubbins on a k98 bolt, well informative, cheers.
@genericpersonx333
3 жыл бұрын
I can imagine someone having to remind Lee that his rifle would have to have an out-of-battery safety before he could sell it to an army because he seemed to love reckless handling of firearms and gunpowder. Most people would be careful after blowing themselves up a couple of times as a kid, but he seemed to not take the cosmic hint.
@stevethomas5849
3 жыл бұрын
And this is a Victorian era action on both rifles.
@ATH_Berkshire
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, very educational.
@danmack111
3 жыл бұрын
There's a lot of content out there detailing all the features of these old service rifles that made them so effective at shooting those guys way over there, but not nearly as many detailing the features that prevented them from maiming the guy using them if something went wrong.
@Supercereal4
3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Learning more and more about my rifles every day
@jimf3932
3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful illustration of the mechanical genius of two great designers German and American!
@matthewburke7040
3 жыл бұрын
You made a minor mistake at the beginning. The ross mark 3 rifle solved the problem of being able to put the bolt head on 180. It was able to be done on the mark 1&2 and that video that is shown is ian from frogetton weapons with a ross mark 2 with the bolt head installed 180 and then fired. Thank you for your videos. Always found them interesting and helpful.
@wrxs1781
3 жыл бұрын
Good point, have hunted with a Ross for years "sporterized and cost $19.00" if you put the bolt in correctly, a great strong reliable rifle.
@445cat
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome Geekery Bloke! Love these vids. Keep up the great content!
@CathodeRayNipplez
3 жыл бұрын
Out of batteries? I have spare AAA's if you need them..
@shaunbrennan5281
3 жыл бұрын
Flaming Hedgehog Ok.... you'll see yourself out?
@truckerallikatuk
3 жыл бұрын
@@shaunbrennan5281 Of course, he doesn't have any spare AAs.
@gwtpictgwtpict4214
3 жыл бұрын
Ooh, I could use a Flak 88 if you've got one?
@CathodeRayNipplez
3 жыл бұрын
@@gwtpictgwtpict4214 Ooohhh.. Nice choice Sir
@shaunbrennan5281
3 жыл бұрын
Flaming Hedgehog Indeed sir, however , the Bofors may be the choice for the lower flying hostiles wot.
@quadg5296
3 жыл бұрын
In and out of battery is an old navel term for cannon. When fired ships cannon recoil into the ship, are reloaded and then need to be pulled using block and tackle so their muzzles are outside the ship again. Or in battery. A broadside of cannon. The last thing you want is a cannon going off while its still inside the ship, or out of battery. If the cannon goes off out of battery you get the muzzle blast and concussion within a confined space (the hull), with the burning scraps starting fires. Injuring the crew manning the block and tackle, in front of and to either side of the muzzle.. And the cannon may run into the cannon on the other side as it has no where to recoil too. and overturn both. (Or worse, damage a mast or fall down a companionway..) With lots of people in a confined space to be crushed by tonnes of run away metal. The shot may also hit your own hull or gun port, and throw splinters. The same applies on land with land cannon. but is less destructive. In a navel situation it can be very bad... (British understatement)
@wierdalien1
3 жыл бұрын
Thats cool
@no.7893
8 ай бұрын
I'm amazed at how much terminology has it's origins in the navy, turns out the term "loose cannon" has a similar very bad real life inspiration.
@jimivy6019
Жыл бұрын
The mauser firing pin has an additional safety that will prevent it from striking the primer if the bolt is not in battery.
@PaperHunter
3 жыл бұрын
I've been a shooter for decades and after reading the title, my brain said, but they don't take batteries. What has lockdown done to my mind?
@baobo67
3 жыл бұрын
Yet they use chargers,
@douglassmith4582
3 жыл бұрын
Consider my boat thoroughly floated!
@charli0072003
3 жыл бұрын
I think that in the case of the mauser, the firing pin and bolt have such a geometry that don´t allow the firing pin protusion until the bolt is completely close.
@ConnorDrake
3 жыл бұрын
Big smeging thank you for the explanation and the provided pictures.
@marinioaweischo6614
3 жыл бұрын
Also the firing pin in the M98 is built that it cant reach the primer if the bolt is out of battery.
@wmdayman
3 жыл бұрын
Great explanation . Thank you
@Braun30
3 жыл бұрын
Nice touch the Fass57 bajonett in the background.
@truckerallikatuk
3 жыл бұрын
My odd brain now wants a discussion between yourself and Ian about such things, to include the Oerlikon's "pre-ignition" or "intentional out of battery" as I think he described it. Where the round is fired before the system has fully locked. Obviously a chunky 20/40mm round takes a little longer to get fully going than a .303 and the by-design aspect means it's not truly an out of battery firing per your description.
@jic1
3 жыл бұрын
Although that system is a variation on blowback, so the breach isn't locked in the first place.
@dbmail545
3 жыл бұрын
AFAIK the way the Oerlikon makes that work is the momentum of the closing bolt keeps the gun from having an OOBF from pre-ignition. And Ian has pointed out that OOBF's in open bolt SMG's rarely cause a catastrophe.
@CTXSLPR
3 жыл бұрын
Bring on the mechanical gubbins workings!!
@dbmail545
3 жыл бұрын
This is the way I decock bolt guns. Not only robs the firing pin of energy to prevent a discharge it also prevents damage to the firing pin, especially in rimfires.
@76horsepower
3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank you! I’ve wondered for some time: don’t the Schmidt-Rubin rifles do the same thing? It’s probably really hard on the firing pin, but it definitely rotates the sleeve into the locked position if the trigger is pulled while the bolt is partially out of battery.
@BlokeontheRange
3 жыл бұрын
Yes they do - on a K31 the lug on the op rod takes a battering from it and can break off, leaving a dangerous situation.
@crekow
3 жыл бұрын
I once had an out of battery detonation of an M95 carbine. Would appreciate if the Bloke would do a video on that one.
@ritterbruder212
3 жыл бұрын
Cock-on-open designs are inherently safe from out-of-battery detonation. If opening the bolt retracts the striker, then dropping the striker will close the bolt. Usually the round won't even go off because the striker loses all of its momentum. A cock-on-close gun does not have this inherent safety. On a pre-98 Mauser, the out-of-battery safety was a small dish milled into the bolt body along with a plunger that goes up into the dish when the trigger is pulled. If the bolt is not in battery, the dish is not in line with the plunger, and the trigger can't be pulled because the plunger has nowhere to go.
@wierdalien1
3 жыл бұрын
Well same as the lee bolt.
@dbmail545
3 жыл бұрын
Nyet! Rifle is not fine. A broken firing pin can cause either gun to fire on closing.
@detritus23
3 жыл бұрын
Boat floated. I also noted that the KAR98 bolt pattern you demonstrated is different from the one my grandfather liberated. More for me to research apparently....
I took the AAs out of my lee enfield and it still fired. Are my out of battery safeties bad? *Edit : I remembered the mosin nagant has a similar safety to the lee's, once the bolt is turned past the first notch the trigger can be pulled, which forces the bolt down into battery before firing
@Bob_Keen
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe using a primed empty cartridge would illustrate your point better? Great video , always interesting and educational. Thank you sir.
@reddevilparatrooper
3 жыл бұрын
I own and love both rifle systems...
@panoshanos1
3 жыл бұрын
it floats my bloke
@GuntherRommel
3 жыл бұрын
My boat is, in fact, at full displacement and prepared to head underway.
@hanfpeter2822
3 жыл бұрын
Is a Ross rifle that "exploded" due to wrong assemby of the bolt reusable when just assembled correctly or is it destroyed?
@dbmail545
3 жыл бұрын
That video is in the Forgotten Weapons archive.
@allangibson8494
3 жыл бұрын
The bolt and bolt stop were damaged. One of the locking lugs on the bolt was sheared off by contact with the bolt stop.
@viperscot1
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video it's the small details me like😁😁
@beefcakes27
3 жыл бұрын
Question: If one pulls the trigger in an attempt to de-cock while closing the bolt is there potential for firing these?
@dbmail545
3 жыл бұрын
Nope. That's how I decock all my bolt guns. I have tried it on a live cartridge and you can barely see the FP strike. But please note that NO bolt gun is safe to carry with the FP down on a live cartridge. Like a SA Colt revolver the FP will be sitting on a live primer and only requires a sharp blow to go off.
@BlokeontheRange
3 жыл бұрын
Never, ever, ever decock a rifle on a live round. Nor a single-action pistol that's not explicitly designed to do it safely. Ever. You're a knock or a drop away from it going off.
@davidgruen7423
2 жыл бұрын
Mauser 1871 had this feature 28 years earlier than Mauser 98.
@AA-dn8dj
3 жыл бұрын
Can you go over the Mausers? I'm thinking about buying a Yugo and would like to see more that kind of rifle if you can.
@boarzwid1002
Жыл бұрын
An out of battery fireing happens quite a lot in rim fire .22cal when the headspace is too tight and gets slamfired when working the bolt.too hard
@WojciechP915
3 жыл бұрын
Lee Enfield appears to be far simpler and more elegant.
@davidgcalderone
3 жыл бұрын
I need to check out how the out of battery systems work on my bolt action hunting rifles
@TheFanatical1
3 жыл бұрын
What prevents the cocking piece of the Lee bolt from rotating out of alignment with the bolt (and having done so, prevents the rifle from even getting close to locking into battery). You mention that the Mauser system does that with the neat little spring thing on the side of the rifle (which also stops the gun from spontaneously dissasembling while assembled), but I can see no equivalent mechanism on the Lee. Is this not as much of a problem as Ian says in his Type 13 Mauser video, or is there something I am not seeing?
@TheFanatical1
3 жыл бұрын
kzitem.info/news/bejne/zWuan3yJsqWCpJg is the video of the problem happening on the Mauser
@BlokeontheRange
3 жыл бұрын
The lug sits in the bottom of the notch in the bolt. You really have to try hard to rotate it out cos it has to ride up quite a way before it can be rotated.
@TheFanatical1
3 жыл бұрын
@@BlokeontheRange I think I get it, thanks!
@nicholaspatton5590
3 жыл бұрын
“Lee Out of Battery Safety” to me means faster way to shoot the gun. Much less rotation :) Nah. Probably nah.
@Greentangle
3 жыл бұрын
Mauser bolt mechanism is complicated than most modern bolt action rifle, also included the cost .
@Karnverksamheten
3 жыл бұрын
Why wouldn't you use a patented hand, plastic, pokey to point with?
@jic1
3 жыл бұрын
Because it's patented, and he doesn't have the budget to cover the royalties.
@militaryhistory8771
2 жыл бұрын
Does the Mosin Nagant have the same concept?
@KoalaTContent
3 жыл бұрын
Reads title: Do they take USB C cables?
@somethingoff1327
3 жыл бұрын
Information 10+, Presentation 2, very fidgety , has chap being selling you speed again ? 😁
@maverickpaladin4155
3 жыл бұрын
Any chance of seeing the P14 / M1917 and Mosin next?
@Chlorate299
3 жыл бұрын
Mmmmm cylindrical cam tracks.
@PapaSchultz74
3 жыл бұрын
Firs time i see a fancy bolt handle on a k98k 😁
@onpsxmember
3 жыл бұрын
How does it happen that some rifles (like b****) can fire as soon as the bolt is closed?
@dbmail545
3 жыл бұрын
Broken firing pin will do that.
@alexxu3004
3 жыл бұрын
LE No4 cocking piece will fall into half-cock if you have a, say longer than normal case. Later ross rifle will not be possible to assemble wrong with a stud blocking the wrong helix track inside bolt, and ross does have out of battery safety(sort off). firing pin will not extend far enough unless bolt head rotate into position, and if you didn't push far enough, upon firing the whole bolt body will slam forward, eating away majority of inertia of that firing pin.
@harirajjhala6868
2 жыл бұрын
Thanx.🇮🇳💯
@keithcarpenter5254
3 жыл бұрын
Smelly system is lovely and simple. The german a bit over complicated.
@thedamnyankee1
3 жыл бұрын
I bet batteries for a century and a quarter old rifle are had to come by. ill see myself out.
@blairbuskirk5460
3 жыл бұрын
Consider my boat afloat
@andersbendsen5931
3 жыл бұрын
Boat indeed afloat. Cheers.
@Treblaine
3 жыл бұрын
So most "cock on close" bolts are also slightly "cock on open".
@abbasialirqi9647
3 жыл бұрын
thank you .. but I think Lee-Enfield mechanism of lock not tight . mauser best lock
@wierdalien1
3 жыл бұрын
Have you watched the other videos?
@jic1
3 жыл бұрын
Mauser is stronger, but Lee-Enfield is still vastly stronger than it needed to be for the cartridge it was designed for.
@davidcolter
3 жыл бұрын
My boat is afloat.
@brokentoe1510
Жыл бұрын
I would like you try that with a live round in the chamber. If you do tell me were are going to be , so I can send the medical personnel out to you. Not a good thing to show people who do not have a understanding of firearms safety
@BlokeontheRange
Жыл бұрын
I have indeed tried it. On a range, with the rifle aimed at the targets. The bolt closes automatically and it just gives a light strike, and if it did go off, it would just go off as normal...
@TheMwarrior50
3 жыл бұрын
SMLE gang rise
@mysterymete
3 жыл бұрын
Bloke, your Mauser has herpes. Get it help.
@rttakezo2000
3 жыл бұрын
"Helps force a sticky cartridge into battery" Like a forward assist on an M16.....? Apparently those are pointless.
@wierdalien1
3 жыл бұрын
No one said it was a good idea. Just that it happened
@patrickcortez4471
3 жыл бұрын
Too long winded
@michaelbrett3749
3 жыл бұрын
Please talk slower and enunciate your words clearly, it would improve the clarity of the video. Other than that the videos are great. What is battery?
@Ruhrpottpatriot
3 жыл бұрын
A firearm is in battery when the breeching mechanism (in this case the bolt) is in the proper position for firing, i.e. locked.
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