NOTES: The trailer video is new in terms of showing new models. Sorry if I didn’t make that clear. GW didn’t just play the old Heracy trailer with no additional content. The Heracy video was spliced with models we have never seen before, so in my book that’s new. I am treating this release as a novelty item like Dreadfleet. Nothing lasts forever, so I’ll make the most of it while it’s here. Epic has come and gone many times before. My initial prediction was in regards to them bringing back Epic 40k so in that respect my point still holds. I never thought about GW doing 30k in a new scale. Epic 40k at this point seems like a risky move for them as it may take away folks from buying the 28mm models which is a no go on a business level. GW is not the young company it once was, experimenting with share holders breathing down your neck is not a wise move. This release is safe and contained and does not eat away at their core money maker. If it’s just this box and nothing else, so be it. Thanks to everyone who watched and left their thoughts below.
@chaoscarl8414
Жыл бұрын
30K only makes it a hard pass for me. I'll just stick with Epic Armageddon and my 3D printer.
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
Fair play! I’m not too up on my 30k so I’m going to give it a sniff ha ha
@chaoscarl8414
Жыл бұрын
@@BUNKER6 Don't get me wrong... I'm curious about the rules (even if I'm not expecting much - we are talking Games Workshop here...). But if the rules won't allow me to play Orks, I can't really see the point.
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
Makes sense to me! At my stage I do t have a particular faction and kind of dip my toe in different armies due to how easy it is at this scale. But it is what it is I guess.
@lonestar1701
Жыл бұрын
Need MKIII marines for my Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors. As well as Rhinos, Vindicators and Whirlwinds.
@emocelot
Жыл бұрын
I so badly want a skiatrii force to escort my titans across the field like in the books
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
I could see them bringing them into the mix.
@orlandogarcia4629
Жыл бұрын
Wow I absolutely cannot wait! My fingers are crossed for all the races to appear in this and AT. I also can’t wait to see what you do with these awesome new minis, this is going to be some good fun.
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
It’s going to be a good time!
@chaoscarl8414
Жыл бұрын
Games Workshop has pretty much confirmed that there are no plans for doing a 40K version. Sadly, I think it's going to end up like Titanicus and Aeronautica. A few half-baked releases spread across a year or two, then a quiet death on some dusty shelf at the back of a hobby store.
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like my music career!
@WarhammerWings
Жыл бұрын
@@chaoscarl8414Don't know where you heard that. I have been told that we WILL get 40K and Great Crusade era Epic games if this sells well.
@TheColonelSponsz
Жыл бұрын
I'd be much more optimistic if I hadn't lived through Epic being killed off twice before. On the plus side, there might be someone at my local club who picks it up and I can give my OG Epic Emperor's Children army a run out on the table top again.
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
I do miss 3rd edition. But hey I’m used to it at this point 😅
@demonic_myst4503
Жыл бұрын
epic 40k was never profitable tho they didnt kill if off for fun it didnt make its money back but by tapping into the large narative comunities of haresy they could carbe out a niche that atleast profits
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
Makes sense!
@kglguy
Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty happy with this. I will almost certainly be going hard on solar auxilia tank companies. Only one core box for me, though, as I have quite enough warhounds already
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
Can you ever really have enough warhounds?
@chaoscarl8414
Жыл бұрын
@@BUNKER6 After several Titanicus starter boxes...? Yes. 😀
@FedericoGiunchi
Жыл бұрын
What I am supposed to do with all my 6mm Games Workshop stuff? I'll move to 3D printing...
@ian_vincent
Жыл бұрын
I'd love an Epic Scale Sanguinius! Primarchs at this scale would be awesome!
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
I could see GW doing that!
@jocebar6451
Жыл бұрын
No epic 40k no buy for me!
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
Fair play! Thank you for watching!
@11Bbq
Жыл бұрын
I’m definitely picking this up. Personally I want the Xenos added for my 40k friends. This scale is by far my favorite for easy storage and transport.
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
I like both scales to be sure. But if you make things cute and tiny I am just such a sucker for it. Like I don’t care for AOS or Fantasy. But I’ll take Warmaster any day.
@percyblythe5443
Жыл бұрын
I had wanted them to have solar auxilia for epic in plastic, but never thought it would happen, let alone be in the box set, unmodified humans will finally take their place in the heresy! and I never thought Id see a warhound with a Muti-launcher again
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
Heck yes!
@paulgibbons2320
Жыл бұрын
Comes down to price point. You would defo need two starters. But looks like they are basing it on 2nd edition which was by far the best one. It's the best scale for futuristic battles.
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
Price does indeed play a factor for sure. But after the years I’ve spent paying through the nose for vintage epic on EBay I’m used to it at this point.
@paulgibbons2320
Жыл бұрын
@@BUNKER6 I still have a marine force. Do wonder what I would get for my shadow swords 🤔😂⚔️
@Kreated_by_khaos
11 ай бұрын
around 500 aud im told is the box set but that said it might get delayed till midd 2024 with it having sadly a few problems
@BUNKER6
11 ай бұрын
Thanks for the heads up. More time to save and build my table!
@Kreated_by_khaos
11 ай бұрын
@@BUNKER6 I 3d print for a living I'm making so much terrain
@marastarbreaker6327
Жыл бұрын
I'll Pick up a box for nostalgic reasons.
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
That’s a fair enough reason for sure. Thanks for watching.
@rastamann2009
Жыл бұрын
To be honest, the boxed set is a bit disappointing. I think this is a very poor boxed set release compared to the previous ones. Granted, the model quality may be higher for the vehicles, but it doesn't appear to be so for the infantry (I've seen much better sculpts by the community, but the paint job they've done is, again, poor compared to our community, so that could be obfuscating the detail) The epic boxed launch sets so far have been like this (excluding both iterations of Adeptus Titanicus as well as the 1994 Titan Legions boxed set): Epic Space Marine 1st Ed 368 models, but only 3 sculpts (tactical marines, land raiders and rhinos) with a total of 112 gaming pieces (64 infantry stands and 48 vehicles) Epic Space Marine 2nd Ed (1991) 547 models, but small number of sculpts (only 8 in total) with a total of 163 gaming pieces (96 infantry stands, 66 vehicles and 1 titan) Epic 40,000 (1997) 427 models, in at least 13 different sculpts for the space marines, excluding the vehicles, and at the very least 20 different sculpts for the orks. This gave a total of 123 gaming pieces (87 infantry and bike stands plus 36 vehicles) - it also included at least components for 12 plastic ruined buildings and 18 more rubbled walls LImp (2023) 223 models with a total of 61 gaming pieces, including 2 titans. Doesn't seem like a lot to me. I also disagree that doing it in a slightly larger scale is better - it will make painting harder, not easier, and it doesn't seem more detailed for it. In fact, old forumware infantry and models aren't less detailed at all. It is what it is, though. At the very least I'll have a 5th game to play in the system and it's not like anyone can stop me using my 6mm models
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
Great points! I’m happy with what it is. I wouldn’t have come back into the hobby if I let the fact the GW of today is not the GW of my childhood. I’ll still support things that interest me. There are indeed great forumware models out there. But for me on the whole I paint and build GW stuff and not much else. I have a couple of forumware pieces but for novelty. That’s just me though. Could things be better. Yes. But I cannot change what they have done and can only move forward with what they have done. (Price permitting)
@NightfallTH
Жыл бұрын
I expect an......epic.....video.
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
Epically late video
@Southpoint2019
Жыл бұрын
I’m game !!! My childhood has a sequel finally !! Just need an imperator Titan
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
A new Imperator would be beyond amazing.
@PsiBurr
Жыл бұрын
Great vid, I'm onboard.
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
Really appreciated! Thanks for watching.
@wellhungindung
Жыл бұрын
Most of that trailer is just a recut version of an older video but I can see why they did it.
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! Had no idea.
@wellhungindung
Жыл бұрын
@@BUNKER6 it's the Horus Heresy release box trailer from a while ago. I'm sure you can find it if you search for it, it's good.
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
Noice
@grumbeast
10 ай бұрын
I was so wanting to hate this, I have so many 6mm minis and loved SM2 and EpicA. But I gave myself a good talking too, and thought I could either be a whiney git and complain or just get as excited as I was in the early 90s going without food in University so I could afford a Shadowsword! So I am now just giddy waiting for the release and even my wife is wondering if it’ll be released before xmas, I hope I’ve been good this year!
@BUNKER6
10 ай бұрын
I can see both sides of it and I like your energy. I try to stay positive on this channel while also not being a GW sycophant. I have decided to treat it as a novelty rather than think this system is here to stay. It’s not like there hasn’t been 4 iterations of Epic already. People just love to moan.
@HandofBlake
Жыл бұрын
Already asked for 2 core sets on release.
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
Whales unite!
@lorenzovive5801
Жыл бұрын
I am SO in for this. Love the Horus Heresy as a setting. I would hope that Rhinos and Landraiders and drop pods will soon be released. Got to get my troops there safely.
@alastairsmith2173
10 ай бұрын
Got to say I was shocked when this was first announced as I had come to the conclusion, like you, that epic 40k would not be re-released.
@BUNKER6
10 ай бұрын
To be fair LI seems to be nothing like Epic due to the lack of Xenos etc. But hopefully it will be a fun system.
@alastairsmith2173
10 ай бұрын
@@BUNKER6 I am hoping they will get around to 40k epic at some stage as the diversity of factions makes it more interesting in my opinion. Hey if you don't mind I have an unrelated question. I have recently found someone in my area interested in epic (not many where I live) and we are catching up for a game tomorrow, which for both of us is our first proper game of epic. Consequently we have been a little bamboosaled by the different editions and rule sets. In your opinion what is better; net epic or epic Armageddon?
@BUNKER6
10 ай бұрын
@alastairsmith2173 I would go for Net Epic just because it’s comprehensive and up to date on rules and factions. It also has a thriving community that you can tap into. Have a great session!
@alastairsmith2173
10 ай бұрын
@@BUNKER6 thank you. We were leaning that way, but it's good to have another option. Until a few days ago I had thought that epic 40k from the late 90s was the most recent edition (despite having a mix of authentic and 3d printed minis).
@BUNKER6
10 ай бұрын
@alastairsmith2173 I like third edition personally. But mainly for nostalgia.
@arvidkongstad115
Жыл бұрын
Sooo… Bunker 8? I’m quite excited about this game. I never played Epic but have been intrigued for a while now and printed and painted some models. I think it could make many new people aware of and interested in gaming at smaller scales, which would be great! I look forward to seeing the new models painted up in other colours as I find the promo pictures for the box set a bit boring. I think they can look a lot nicer than what they’ve shown us so far. I will continue to follow your wonderful channel with keen interest. Please keep making excellent videos 🙂.
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
So glad you’re excited too. I’m extremely happy that GW have done this. Obviously for selfish channel reasons. But for the reasons you mentioned too, by hopefully bringing more folks in. I’m going to have a blast anyway. It will be a fun thing to sink my teeth into. Cheers for sticking around!
@RavenShinyThings
Жыл бұрын
depends on the rules and price. i reckon two boxsets makes for a great game
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
Completely agree
@richardbradley2335
Жыл бұрын
3d printers and fan forum have made releaases like this pointless...considering i saw a Fellblade in 6mm about 7 years ago.
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
3D printers have made all of 40k pointless no? To me this is a novelty item like Dreadfleet. I have seen Epic come and go 4 times in my lifetime. I’m not holding my breath now.
@richardbradley2335
Жыл бұрын
@@BUNKER6 ok..get you on the novelty factor...played and loved 3rd ed...4th was the hard reset of all hard resets....this will be like that...big 40k games and not at all ''EPIC ''
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
@richardbradley2335 I completely agree with your summation Richard.
@Kreated_by_khaos
11 ай бұрын
and some stage it MIGHT come out
@nathanwilliams9226
Жыл бұрын
I feel like its 1989 to be honest. This is a not so subtle nod. They have released Titanicus 1st now this. It began with the Heresy and to see it come full circle is amazing. I am curious if the rulebook will have little stories in corners like 1st did? It is fascinating that the marines are Mk6. Again, epic's roots. So for me that is a complete acknowledgment of the past. I am deeply concerned this release may result in a divorce and eventual bankruptcy lol. Again like you I never thought they would EVER re-release epic in any form.
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
Totally agree, it’s crazy how it’s worked itself out. Who know what the future holds for the game but I’m happy to atleast have it for now!
@gosonegr
Жыл бұрын
I'm on the edge of my chain waiting for the Mordheim re-release...
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
@gosonegr great game!
@nathanwilliams9226
Жыл бұрын
@@gosonegr That and Warmaster. GW produced some amazing games that did not see the support they deserved
@gosonegr
Жыл бұрын
@@nathanwilliams9226 I forgot about warmaster completely, back in the day I fell in love with the high elves in that game
@TStyx
Жыл бұрын
It does like great though odd about it being 30k, but not the end of the world. I wonder what additional stuff they bring out as there doesn't seem to be many different varieties of actual 32mm 30k Models to be shrunk down and not much released lately, though I might be wrong. Still the box seems good.
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
My failed prediction didn’t include 30k as a release option. It was specifically about 40k so theoretically my prediction holds and my reasoning for not being back 40k still stands. They don’t want to show people they can get the same models for a fraction of the price. But they’re willing to take the chance on the much smaller niche of 30k in smaller scale.
@eric_intotheunknown
Жыл бұрын
Yep, I'm in! And I really do hope we see a new Battlefleet Gothic game in the near future.
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
Preach!
@cadet1ice
Жыл бұрын
I'll pass on it, it'll be overpriced. I get more bang for my money with variety from 3D Printing, 3rd party companies and forumware. Only interested in what the rules will be like, in the mean time I'll continue with Epic 40K and Armageddon.
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
Fair play!
@Jezza_One
Жыл бұрын
I think they should have included knights instead of warhound titans.
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
Or both! 🥹
@demonic_myst4503
Жыл бұрын
To be fair it was a educated prediction epic 40k was not profitable even from the start so it make snese why they wouldnt bring back a ship that was crested broken with holes in it ready ti sink but throwing it out as heresy may be able save it
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
Ha ha thank you for your understanding and watching the video 🙏
@add3to6
Жыл бұрын
I feel like the "high model count" is a bit misleading - after the warhounds, there's not a huge amount of plastic to justify a high price tag. Of course, this is GW, so anything is possible, but if they have any sense they will market this competitively to draw people in. Titanicus was initially launched with a poor starter and they should make every effort to avoid making that mistake twice. This set looks great, and I love the scale, but I'd be disappointed if they charge over £80 considering the contents.
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your input Golden Ax. This is just my opinion. High model count for me. I show the contents of the box so I’m not sure how I’m misleading folks. Previous releases did have more product, but many GW products have got more expensive and reduced model counts across the board. I’ll wait and see on the price as my predictions have been quite off ha ha. But I’m guessing $150 - $200 mark in the US. Probably wrong though. GW has so many things going on I won’t hold my breath on what will come, but I’m just glad it’s here for now. Thanks for your input though!
@chaoscarl8414
Жыл бұрын
Those I'm playing Epic with are suggesting a price similar til the new Leviathan box. Which would be a lot more than I'd be willing to pay for it.
@add3to6
Жыл бұрын
@@BUNKER6 I wasn't insinuating that you were misleading people, but that GW is. They have made a point of stating that there's over 200 models, which seems a little cynical considering the scale. I should have worded it better; I didn't mean to criticise you (or the video!).
@add3to6
Жыл бұрын
@@chaoscarl8414 Yeah I think that would be nuts considering how much stuff is in Leviathan. I bet this box weighs half as much.
@chaoscarl8414
Жыл бұрын
@@add3to6 "I bet this box weighs half as much." If even that much. And honestly, compared to previous Epic starter boxes, it's really lackluster. I mean... Not even a few Rhinos for the Marines?
@matthewlaxon828
Жыл бұрын
A little bit sad honestly, I was looking at playing aeronautica but all the models I like are leaving the range. I do think epic looks good though
@PatrikStandar
Жыл бұрын
6mm scale is the scale for me (8 feels all to big I think). I dont trust GW to make a good rules these days sadly. So will stay with 6mm NetEA all the way!
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
Fair play! Thank the lord for the 80s & 90s! Appreciate you watching.
@PatrikStandar
Жыл бұрын
@@BUNKER6 of course! You have one of the best epic channels on the Internet!
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
@PatrikStandar cheers Patrik. Plenty more on the way hopefully!
@lonestar1701
Жыл бұрын
How do I join your discord?
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
Hopefully this works! discord.gg/WREUqCn9Hs
@adamsboringvids
Жыл бұрын
4:06 Battlefleet Gothic remake 🤤
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
If only
@TefaltaCasposo96
Жыл бұрын
Looks showy
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
I don’t see the word “showy” thrown around very often. Very cool.
@superpatatine4415
Жыл бұрын
Epic is back, whether it's 30K or 40K, that's what matters! GW, I'm willing to give you my money for this Epic 30K, and after that, Epic 40K (fingers crossed). I can't wait to have ruins of buildings!!! Thank you for your video on this release 👍
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
I’m not normally a GW whale. But I’ll take anything small scale. I’m a complete sucker.
@WarhammerWings
Жыл бұрын
I'm sticking with this. I will personally blame everyone who turns their nose up at it for it failing if it does for supporting companies who, if I was in charge of GW, I would ask to stop what they're doing, or file legal actions against. 3D printing is awful compared to the wondrous models we have nowadays. Besides, I know GW staff who worked on this and I can confirm that if Legions Imperialis sells well, they're going to be expanding to both Great Crusade era and 40K (again).
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
But it seems complaining is more fun than the game itself! 😅
@Hedgehobbit
Жыл бұрын
They literally said they have no plans to expand the system. Buying into a game on the hopes that the game transforms into the game you actually want is foolish as far as GW is concerned.
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
@Hedgehobbit Totally agree. I will be treating it like Man O War or Dreadfleet. I have my old models for any 40K stuff.
@rikkinevers9616
Жыл бұрын
"Promosm" 😃
@charliekulczyk5639
Жыл бұрын
So much wrong with this video 😂 no xenos will be released, its solar auxilia and the trailer isnt new it's just a remake from heresy trailer
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
There is so much wrong with your comment 😂 1: I said I would like to see Xenos, I did not say that they would be released. 2: The trailer is new as it’s showing new models we have never seen before. Your point only makes sense if the old video you’re referring to, was the only thing they showed but they didn’t. It was spliced with new content of Legions Imperialis. Or did that not happen. 3: Not sure what the Solar Auxilia point is. Unless you’re referring to my pronunciation. Then sorry about that. 4: Have a good day.
@charliekulczyk5639
Жыл бұрын
@@BUNKER6 yes my bad you're mostly correct. They confirmed however xenos will not ever be released for this, even getting rid of all xenos aeronautica and if I'm being very fussy it's a tad boring describing everything in the trailer when weve already seen it. I will sub and like your video as an apology for being grumpy. Have a great day and keep up the videos 👍
@BUNKER6
Жыл бұрын
@charliekulczyk5639 I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I’ll be honest. The problem that I had was when I wrote the script I thought GW only released a video and nothing else. While editing my reaction video I then saw that GW basically dumped a bunch of information about the game which by then was too late for me to remake the video idea. Auspex does amazing videos for info dumps. I don’t normally do “to camera” reactions. This is my first I think. I will be better researched before I do this again in the future. Criticism helps me honestly because I don’t want to get things wrong and let people like yourself down. So all good. Have a great weekend.
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