You are my favourite channel, so glad to have found you! Thanks for the great comparison test, you've helped me make up my mind choosing between the Q2 and Q2M!
@paulhart1218
3 жыл бұрын
Very helpful review. I have had the M Monochrom 246 and now have the Q2M. One important difference is that the viewfinder in the Q2M is black & white, unlike (of course) the optical finder in the M. So you view and compose in B&W, which is a big plus. You have to use the screen to do that on the M, which is a different experience.
@1946gsp
3 жыл бұрын
I would like to have seen b&w images from the Q2 and the monochrome in side by side, screen comparisons to determine whether the Q2 does as good (or nearly as good) a job as the monochrome in producing B&W images. , does the monochrome justifies its existence in its limited capacity? An extra $5 grand for a 2nd camera that doesn’t do THAT much better at B&W as the original, set to B&W? I don’t think so. Also, many of your comparison shots were a bit soft. I would have expected sharper/more focused...or at least the use of a tripod.
@IsaacNYC212
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate the video. That said, I was just about to post the same comment. I want to see what the benefits are of shooting b&w on the monochrome vs. b&w on the q2 On paper the difference are clear, but I want to see real world images.
@USandNL
3 жыл бұрын
I was really hoping that you would compare out of the camera on b&w on the Q2 versus the new Q Monochrome. Thats what will be the most interesting comparison.
@mathphotographer
3 жыл бұрын
Will look into it, thx for suggesting.
@ronanderson5736
3 жыл бұрын
Wow! That monochrome version is amazing!
@streetowski
2 жыл бұрын
This video was very, very helpful. Thank you for the time that you’ve spent to make this Sir 🙏🏻
@wh0tube
2 жыл бұрын
I just found out I can afford to buy the box, if I sell my house 🥳
@manostroulinos1726
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Math, that was great, very interesting, thanks very much for sharing. One thing I noticed, in the high -ISO comparisons (50,000, 25,000) the Q2-mono of course has a lot less noise but the image also seems a bit blurry, over-smoothed, as if some in-camera processing is trying too hard to get rid of even the monochromatic noise (which if present could look as pleasant film grain). Whereas in the coloured Q2 image, there is of course much more chromatic noise, but the image is also much sharper (check the darker lines in the face of your model). Especially in the 25,000 iso image, I actually prefer the Q2 color image, because even if noisier, the chroma-noise is not so prominent and disturbing (more film-like I think) and the image still retains its relative sharpness and definition. Whereas the 25,000 iso Q2-mono image, although definitely cleaner in terms of noise, is also "smoother" as if some in-camera noise reduction filter was set on high. What do you think?
@mathphotographer
3 жыл бұрын
I think your observation is right. Noticed the same in the meanwhile. Maybe different camera-internal processing ... or maybe something they consider in a firmware update.
@walterlopez1924
Жыл бұрын
hello...excellent work...a question...how would I get better photos...on my q2...?-- taking directly in black and white...or taking in color and changing to black and white lightrom? and finally... for black and white photos. in my q2... is it better to take it in JPG or raw...?
@martinrumfeld8593
3 жыл бұрын
Dear Math, Nice Video. The Q2M anyway looks very very soft.
@davemenard5089
3 жыл бұрын
B&W vs B&W is the big comparison I need to see
@stevearita3267
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent Review. Just found your channel and subscribed, thank you for doing this comparison!
@mathphotographer
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Steve for the kind comment.
@koobs4549
Жыл бұрын
I’m coming from a Canon 5D Mk iv, I don’t use auto-focus much & I love shooting monochrome. I do enjoy color photography as well but mainly shoot macro shots of flowers & bees. I want to condense my gear down a bit & am having such a hard time deciding between the Q2 & Q2M. I know the monochrome images are going to be absolutely superb on the Q2M but so far, the color images look really good on the Q2. I would absolutely put the lowlight functions of the Q2M to use. I love nighttime photography but am limited by the Canon & have to use a tripod when it gets dark because the noise gets bad at around 12,800 & up. I’m just not sure how that compares to the Q2, if it’s about the same as the Canon then I know what to expect & will be happy with the Q2 for all my photography. When people compare the Q2 & Q2M, it looks head & shoulders better & that gives me pause.
@zenonbillings9008
3 жыл бұрын
i am beginning to shoot in B &W, and hope to move up to the leica Q2 in the not too distance future. i could not make up my mind whether i should go leica Q2 or leica Q2 monochrom. after viewing this first look at your excellent initial Q2 monochrom i am definitely leaning toward the Q2 monochrome camera. i look foreward to a more detailed review of the leica Q2 monochrom from you. thx again for your early first look......zen billings in canada
@arthurford829
Жыл бұрын
What did you end up getting? I have a Q2 and have experimented with b&w both in settings in in Lr. Thinking about adding a Q2m. Definitely less expensive than buying an SL body and lense(s).
@juergenstrapko7159
3 жыл бұрын
The monochrome looks very soft against the color Q2...please sharpen up the monochrome to compare the cameras
@mathphotographer
3 жыл бұрын
There is another video in the making where I will address your point, thx.
@kelvinsoetardjo3293
3 жыл бұрын
Hi, thank you for the video! I wanted to know if the B&W setting using the Q2 (classic) in comparison to the Q2 Mono has any distinguishable difference? Thanks once again.
@mathphotographer
3 жыл бұрын
Third request in this direction, I will make a video and post my comments. This will go online before Xmas.
@kims37
3 жыл бұрын
The mono looks way to soft. Converting the Q2 classic to mono will clear the ugliness of noise. It would be nice to see a comparison, both in mono and without the soft look
@mathphotographer
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, you are not the only one requesting this comparison, I will get it done and post the results.
@stansabev
3 жыл бұрын
The shutter speed at 18:20 it’s 60 for mono and 80 for the classic at 25000/ not a big deal, but still matter.
@ValentinoLuggen
3 жыл бұрын
In all reviews I saw the Mono at high ISO look softer, I assume there is some default noise reduction higher then in the normal version, without raw files I can't tell if it can be adjusted. I would not mind a bit more noise to get more sharpness.
@monjue4459
2 жыл бұрын
yes i agree.. to me it looked like there was some luminance effect added to the Q2 Monochrom. Worth investigating more i think!
@FrankWestPR
3 жыл бұрын
Weirdly enough when you compare the Q2M/Q2 low light photos I found the mono softer than Q2, Q2 has obviously more noise but seem to retain more detail.
@lohthx1r
3 жыл бұрын
I have noticed that too...
@erikleypoldt8275
2 жыл бұрын
Wish the Q2 had matt black everything minus the dot like MC
@arthurford829
Жыл бұрын
The Daniel Craig edition looks pretty sweet!
@gettons1980
3 жыл бұрын
"just trust my judgment" made my day :-)
@wolper2155
3 жыл бұрын
Hi Math. Great Video. I think, i save my Money for the Q2 Mono. By the Way, nice Modell. Greetings from germany
@naduncan100
Жыл бұрын
Many thanks, greatly appreciated. Cheers Neil
@mathphotographer
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Neil.
@BPLeroyLotusEvora
3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video once again, thank you, Bart
@mathphotographer
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@scronier896
10 ай бұрын
Did you had the opportunity to make the same test with the Q2M vs the Q3 ? if yes, what where the results about noise in hight ISO ? thank you :)
@srri8912
Жыл бұрын
Clearly, this video leads me to conclude that it is the Beyer color filter array on the Q2 sensor that is creating all the noise in very low light conditions. Would you agree? Also, do you think a higher resolution (as in 60 MP Q3) will have better low light performance than Q2? FYI, my Q2M blows away my Fuji X-T5 in that area (both are around 45 MP).
@LucyS565
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Math for this great review!
@mathphotographer
3 жыл бұрын
Thx!
@jamestaylor1242
3 жыл бұрын
Hi, thank you for this very detailed video I found it very informative! I was wondering if I could make one suggestion ? could you are someone please do a comparison of the both the monochrome and a Converted to monochrome from both cameras ?, I personally think this would be a huge selling point and to date I haven't found anyone who's done it yet. Again thanks for your excellent review.
@skyscraperfan
3 жыл бұрын
I am not sure what is more interesting: The camera or the good looking model.
@fjs2456
3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU
@MikeKleinsteuber
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, but how often do you really shoot at 25000 ? Converting the Q2 colour images will be as good as the Mono 99% of the time. And you get the choice of colour if you wish too.
@ericleeker8252
10 ай бұрын
Many people don’t shoot at ISO 25,000 because it’ll look like ass. But if you have a camera that excels at high ISO’s, you’ll use it at higher ISO’s which will get you pictures you otherwise wouldn’t have gotten.
@MikeKleinsteuber
10 ай бұрын
Sure. Understood. @@ericleeker8252
@ArminHirmer
2 жыл бұрын
I think I watched this video now for the 3rd or 4th time. Just insane what the Q2M is capable of. Yet, is it worth it to go b&w only? The Q2 is not so bad compared to it. But I think I will go for the M. I played a while with a Nokia phone (with 5 cameras in it, two of them are monochrome) and it was here already impressive, what monochrome only is capable to achieve.
@johnkasianowicz6536
2 жыл бұрын
Armin, I have the Q2M and a CL. They’re both fun, but I really enjoy using the Q2M. Did you ever get one?
@astraeusone
3 жыл бұрын
Great vid, Math! May be next time m10m vs q2m ? (:
@mathphotographer
3 жыл бұрын
Is on my list :)
@ABarrera
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt! Did you notice hot pixels on your Q2M? My Q2M has them in high ISO and thought of your SL2 video.
@mathphotographer
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I noticed this too. Can be changed in post, the RAW appears unusually soft. I have a video in the making on this, thx for pointing out.
@peterm.722
3 жыл бұрын
An honest review, thanks a lot. In other review I always see that the converted B&W images look the same as the pure monochrome and the only difference is the ISO. Now I see that it's not true. I'm in the situation if I should buy the M10 Monochrome or the Q2 Monochrome
@mathphotographer
3 жыл бұрын
Your choice between the Q2M and the M10M depends on what you want to do. If you are also interested in getting the unique feature of 4K and C4K "native" B&W video then the Q2M is the natural choice. If you go for stills only and love rangefinders, the M10M is the best choice available.
@peterm.722
3 жыл бұрын
@@mathphotographer I'm only shooting stills and use already an M10
@JJ_Photo
3 жыл бұрын
But for the 25.000 and especially 50.000 iso, the mono images looks so unnatural soft? Yes more grains on the Q2, but much more skin details. Why is that?
@mathphotographer
3 жыл бұрын
I noticed too, will dig deeper on RAW vs JPG on the two cameras. Well spotted.
@johnny_bravo9990
3 жыл бұрын
Is the Leica Q2 monochrom a mirrorless or range finder camera?
@senshanxiaodao
2 жыл бұрын
thanks a lot, very useful video!
@kit0415
2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate this review. However, I would like to take the same images and process them in PS, with sharpening (Topaz Sharpen for example). With both photos processed, what is the difference then? Is there still any difference? TIA!
@wirdreie4929
2 жыл бұрын
Der Gag ist doch eigentlich ein Vergleich zwischen den SW-Bildern Monochrome Q2 und der Q2. Und ja: ich würde es tatsächlich mit den OOC-JPGs sehen wollen.
@coffeefanatic7857
3 жыл бұрын
If you have a M10 monochrome seems redundant to get a Q2 monochrome unless your just collecting cameras
@mathphotographer
3 жыл бұрын
Lots of differences between a Q2M and an M10M, really not the same :) Most relevant for some users is 4K and C4K video in B&W coming natively from a monochrome sensor on the Q2M. I think this is one of various unique features only the Q2M offers.
@victorcarmelo8606
3 жыл бұрын
Hi, I enjoyed this video although I won’t be purchasing the Mono as I already have the Q2. I was curious you did not mention the ISO/ Long Exposure limitations on the Mono, so I presume these are still there despite its a sensor built around and for the 28mm lens. I would have thought Leica would have addressed this or is there no difference between these sensors regarding heat? Thanks and regards.
@mathphotographer
3 жыл бұрын
I will look into it and get back, likely with another video where I already collected differences on a list worthwhile to mention.
@victorcarmelo8606
3 жыл бұрын
@@mathphotographer Thank you.
@ludo1632
3 жыл бұрын
Any hot pixels issue? On my Q2M I get 8-9 hot pixels above ISO 1600.
@nexuses1
3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure why people need to see a comparison. The mono will have better low light capability because the sensor is made just for BnW, instead of a conversion after the fact. That would be my main concern when buying this camera.
@gewglesux
2 жыл бұрын
Anybody here have the Thorsten Overgaard Lens Shade?
@Chrisshay111
3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful camera, great review. Not sure about the softness issue. My question for the hivemind is: What if someone wanted to shoot a video project in mono? This Q2 seems like it might be better than the original M10 monochrom in some ways (resolution, but not lenses). The PhaseOne could be ideal, I guess, but it is hard to tell from their online copy if their monochrome product can be coaxed into shooting video. I suppose I could wait for Blackmagic to introduce their own version of a camera mit aus CFA. Still! What a beautiful device this is. :-)
@mathphotographer
3 жыл бұрын
Yes, beautiful device, indeed. A Blackmagic 6K in B&W would be very tempting :)
@wejuya
Жыл бұрын
Praying for fuji X100M (Mono) come true 🙏
@mathphotographer
Жыл бұрын
I fear you have to pray for a long time ;) I am not aware that your wish would become true although it is a fantastic wish!
@frankluo230
3 жыл бұрын
I feel this 47m monochrome sensor isn't as organic as the 41m monochrome of m10 monochrome. Is there such a thing as Leica cheapened out on monochroming this sensor, not a ground up design as they claimed on m10m
@victorcarmelo8606
3 жыл бұрын
From what I understand from other YTers, this sensor is different to M10M. Its specifically designed for the Q2's 28mm lens whereas the M10M is designed for all M lenses.
@frankluo230
3 жыл бұрын
@@victorcarmelo8606 this is just a normal Q2 SL2 sensor stripped the CFA off. Whether or not the M10M 41m sensor is the same from M10R I am not so sure. Leica claim the M10M sensor is bespoke.
@victorcarmelo8606
3 жыл бұрын
@@frankluo230 In an interview with Alan Weiz, he claimed the sensor was designed specifically for the Q2M's 28mm Lens. In another interview the head of Leica Q Dept also said it was specifically designed for this camera Q2M, RDF in their presentation also said something similar. Regarding the CFA that I saw in the videos I haven't seen anything regarding that the sensor is stripped of the array. If what you say is confirmed by Leica then I stand corrected but even Math has not mentioned this.
@frankluo230
3 жыл бұрын
@@victorcarmelo8606 thanks for pointing them out. I do believe a bespoke design of mono sensor is very costly. Given the small volume of Q2, unlikely. All market materials say otherwise we shall wait and see more tests and reviews.
@victorcarmelo8606
3 жыл бұрын
@@frankluo230 Watch Peter Kruschewski, Product Manager of the Q Cameras latest Interview at Leica.
@9Biloela99
3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful
@zenjitsuman
3 жыл бұрын
SO LEICA GAVE US THE MONOCHROME M AND NOW THE Q2 MONOCHROME. I OWN THE QP , AND THE SL2. I BET LEICA WILL SOON GIVE US THE SL2 MONOCHROME. I WILL BUY THE SL2 MONOCHROME IF LEICA PRODUCES ONE. I HAVE A KIT OF LENSES FOR THE SL2 TO USE IN MONOCHROME.
@jjjavier5971
3 жыл бұрын
Hello, will the q2 handgrip fit both the q2 and the q2 monochrome?
@mathphotographer
3 жыл бұрын
Yes - the handgrips for the Q2 and Q2 Mono are exchangeable but the leather texture is slightly different. Here is a video on my channel discussing your question: kzitem.info/news/bejne/o4eGnYuvh6dqgGU
@dirkverlinden2516
3 жыл бұрын
Vielen dank👌🏼
@mathphotographer
3 жыл бұрын
Gerne :)
@CrueLoaf
3 жыл бұрын
I think I am more creative with the M rather than the Q. The Q2 is reliable but I have much more fun with my M10! I'm probably going to get a monochrome camera in the future and it will be the M version .
@mathphotographer
3 жыл бұрын
Good choice. The M10 Mono is a camera with truely addictive attractiveness :)
@frankwieczorek5112
3 жыл бұрын
Ich hoffe auf eine Leica Q2s, then I'll join the club
@wernerraabe3047
3 жыл бұрын
i"m smiling, i own a digilux 3; yes its heavy, but i shoot colour and mono, so, q2 is not the first one !!
@mathphotographer
3 жыл бұрын
Good catch, thx! :)
@fredbosch540
3 жыл бұрын
wie heist die Software danke
@baladino
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. It’s helping me to arrive at a decision.
@arturodeguzman
3 жыл бұрын
What did you decide
@baladino
3 жыл бұрын
@@arturodeguzman I placed an order for the Q2. The colour version.
@toddm6999
3 жыл бұрын
Does it auto focus 🤔?...it hunts.
@globetrottersreyamber576
3 жыл бұрын
the images taken with the monochrome at 50k ISO are for sure less noisy but they are terribly "washed" by the softwear and they have much less sharpness. It looks like the way the old Fuji were working!!! I really dont like that "washed" rendering and I dont understand how you and others can wonder and enjoy about this thing!!!
@thomasgeipel1143
3 жыл бұрын
Würde mich freuen wenn du diese tollen Videos in deutsch zeigen könntest Viele Grüße aus dem Fichtelgebirge Thomas
@wolper2155
3 жыл бұрын
Thomas. Ich finde er spricht ein sehr verständliches Englisch. Gruß Wolper
@mathphotographer
3 жыл бұрын
Hallo Thomas, danke für Deinen Kommentar. Die Videos erreichen in Englisch sehr viel mehr User, die meisten Views habe ich aus dem Ausland, und dort die meisten aus den USA. Wenn ich die Videos nochmal in Deutsch posten würde, wäre das sehr viel Arbeit, weil ich alles mit Voice-over nochmal vertonen müsste. Mein Angebot: Wenn mal etwas nicht klar oder verständlich ist, hinterlasse mir einen Kommentar, und ich versuche den offenen Punkt in Deutsch zu beantworten. Herzliche Grüsse in's Fichtelgebirge :)
@zichenqi9358
3 жыл бұрын
without screen+$1000,without evf +$1000,without auto foucus+$1000,without color$1000
@tonyjames5444
3 жыл бұрын
Well aside from the few talented photographers who use Leica's the vast majority of coffee shop hipsters will go for the one with the red badge on the front, it's important to show people your using a Leica:)
@kathrynann02
Ай бұрын
I don’t agree. I prefer people not knowing it’s a Leica. Mind you I’m not what you would call a coffee shop hipster - I prefer my home expresso machine - it’s not a Leica either
@Joe32942
Жыл бұрын
Warum hast du das Q2 Foto nicht in BW umgewandelt um die Schwarz&Weiß Fotos zu vergleichen. Das ist doch, warum ich mir das ansehe. Brauche ich nochmal 5k für eine Kamera investieren oder könnte ich nicht die normalen Q2 Bilder umwandeln und verwenden. Digga, so ein sinnloser Test. Natürlich rauscht das Farbfoto in der Dunkelheit.
@steffsteffson
3 жыл бұрын
For leica owners it is always very important to show what they have and always very unimportant to show what they can do. I suppose the video(s) was mainly about your showcase. :D
@wolper2155
3 жыл бұрын
Steff . Imo you^re not rigth
@2-da3333
3 жыл бұрын
and lesson learned; you can do everything you want with Leica Q color.
@genobambino
3 жыл бұрын
Models don’t think they know better, wives and girlfriends do.
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