Thanks so much, Nick! I've been waiting 3 months for this review and it was worth the wait. You really show that you took the time to use the machine and get into a workflow and understand how it works with or against your preferred ways of making coffee. The vast majority of reviews out there don't do that! They get the machine, unbox it, use it for a couple of days and play around with the features, then pack it up and ship it back. That tells me nothing about whether I actually want to own one of these things and make it part of my life! Anyway, apart from your coarse grind lungos (1:3.5), how often do you find yourself playing with the flow control paddle? I just passed a year with my Lelit MaraX (and had to crack the thing open to replace the anti-vacuum valve and repair some leaky seals on top of the boiler, as well as run a full descaling which took a couple of hours) and I'm wondering whether it would be worth it to pick up the flow control kit and mod my machine into a "baby Bianca". My chief point of hesitation is that I'll get lazy and just end up setting the paddle to full open all the time and lose the entire benefit of doing the upgrade. What do you think?
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the kind words Chong Li, I use the paddle for almost every coffee I make. It's no hassle - puts you very much 'in the moment', which I like. As I mentioned people with different use cases to me, might not find it as useful. Here's an example of my coffee routine. 4am - double espresso before I do my yoga. I'll go with a regular 14g basket, getting a 30g shot. I go with 5 second pre-infusion, and ramp down at the end using the paddle. 6 or 7am, feeling like I need a pickup, but don't want to get a buzz on an empty stomach, I'll make a single shot cappuccino, using the paddle again to control the extraction (depends on what coffee I'm using). Breakfast at 8am, I want a bit more coffee to slurp, so I'll make the lungo thing. My favourite is an ethiopian coffee from my friend Gerald at Peaberry roasters. It makes an amazing lungo - 75 grams + from 18g of coffee. I'm still playing with different coffees to find a great recipe for each of my favourites. In short, I use the paddle almost 100% of the time.
@georgepopescu1327
27 күн бұрын
The problem with plumbing is that in many places tap water is awful, it doesn't taste good.
@nickbaskett3537
16 күн бұрын
definitely, but you need a water filter system made for coffee machines. Mine cost about £500, including fitting and I change the filter once a year.
@sAmiZZle82
10 ай бұрын
Hi Max,.just a heads-up although it has been a long while since this video. Fasting will be broken by milk (cappuccino). You'd be better off sticking with espresso and having the cappuccino after breaking your fast
@jimjamson9534
4 ай бұрын
Absolutely. Oat milk has more carbs than cows milk.
@TheOnlySF49erFanInNewZealand
Ай бұрын
So which do you like better the Lelit or your Rocket?
@bartalks1810
Ай бұрын
The Lelit. I've never had a problem with it. Just wish it had a better screen.
@TheOnlySF49erFanInNewZealand
Ай бұрын
@@bartalks1810 Thank you for sharing 🙂
@PandaCooksKoalaEats
4 күн бұрын
The editing is so annoying
@Drift-yf4rn
Жыл бұрын
Are you sure the extra steam power wasn't the result of someone adjusting the steam temp? Could have been the installers testing it? It doesn't make sense that plumbing it in would change the steam pressure, but you can definitely increase the pressure through the control panel.
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
yeah, it was definitely the change in temp. I think my friend Adrian did it. I'll blame him because he probably won't read this comment. It's all his fault. I changed the setting and it made a huge difference.
@Drift-yf4rn
Жыл бұрын
@@bartalks1810 that's actually great to hear, the fact you can take the machine from newb friendly steaming to what I hope is more commercial specced steam pressure is brilliant :)
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
@@Drift-yf4rn and they do include two steam tips as well. so kudos there.
@barbraune1964
10 ай бұрын
your sound makes me crazy left ear is way louder
@bartalks1810
9 ай бұрын
sorry :(
@moedeeb
Жыл бұрын
I’m no expert but can’t see how plumbing in changes steam wand pressure. I’m assuming the steam boiler is pressurised and after water or steam is drawn it refills under pressure from the pump. I struggle to see how anything other than temperature in the boiler can change the pressure and therefore impact the steam output.
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
me either, I'm just remarking how it seemed to improve. maybe it's just my perception. I'd like Max to come back and review his initial thoughts. Regardless, I'm happy with the steaming function.
@leonard984
7 ай бұрын
Great and thorough review. Thank you. How would this compare to the VBM Super Digital DUAL PROFILER Dual Boiler Espresso Machine. It seems it has the ability to adjust the pump output as well as the flow on the fly. Do you have any opinion?
@bartalks1810
7 ай бұрын
Not had any hands on with the VBM. They seem to be offering a lot of value. I'm a little 'unfairly' suspicious of how good all those features will translate in practice - and in the photos it looks like some of the materials are maybe a bit cheaper. But I'd love to be pleasantly surprised, and if it was my money, I'd be really tempted, but I'd like to put my grubby hands on it first.
@markw4551
Жыл бұрын
you say that steaming power is just adequate but as you commenting your pressure gauge shows around 1.5 bar (from video), Bianca can easily go to 2.2 bar at 135 C
@FreeYourMind12345
Жыл бұрын
"the pre-lungo years..and the post-lungo years Love it. Hahahha I'm SOLD!
@petrkek8140
Жыл бұрын
The company Lelit was aquired by Breville. Since then the prices for the Lelit Bianca V3 dropped significantly (700€). No one know yet if this is a good sign or not.
@petrkek8140
Жыл бұрын
@@cuprajake1 list price was 2.500€. dropped to ~1.900€ since the takeover. maybe going slowly up again. but price drop of 600€ is sus
@makerl1fe388
Ай бұрын
What? No… lelit. Owned by breville, nightmare. This capitalism has got to end
@jonathanl2748
6 ай бұрын
Now that the La Marzocco Micra is out, would you prefer the LM? Thanks.
@bartalks1810
6 ай бұрын
nope. I like the flow control on the Bianca, and it's working brilliantly for me.
@chriskvikstad4980
6 ай бұрын
Great review! If you had the ability to purchase the Rocket R58 Cinquantotto for $1,000 less than retail, would the Rocket be a better value proposition than the Bianca? I'm in the USA and I can purchase the Rocket machines with the 110v plug from a company in Italy at substantial discounts to US retail pricing. Unfortunately, the Lelit isn't available in the 110v version, so I would have to purchase that from a US based seller and pay full US retail of $3k. The R58 with no VAT or duties would cost me around $2,300 instead of the US retail of $3,350. That's a significant difference in price. I know from watching your other video that there were some annoyances you had with the Rocket, but if you were in my situation do you think the Rocket would be a clear winner? I can get both of the Cronometro R versions for even less than the R58 but I don't know if I want a heat exchanger machine when I can just get the dual boiler for not much more money and be done. Just curious what your thoughts are having used both the Bianca and the R58. I'm coming from a Gaggia Classic Pro that I'm loving but I'm already getting the urge to upgrade it.😂
@bartalks1810
6 ай бұрын
Ooh, that's a tricky one. The answer may lie in the way you make coffee. Is it just you, or does the whole family use it? The Rocket is easier to use and to change settings. The main thing on the LELIT which is a deal killer for me, is the flow control. But my kids who use it, tend to ignore the paddle. So, if it's just you, and you plan to develop your palette around lighter roast coffees, then you might get another itch a year down the road. OTOH, if you like medium-dark roast espresso, or prefer milky drinks, then the Rocket will serve you well. It's also easier to use, so if your family all want to get involved, I think they might prefer it. The final question is over support. If you can get good local support for the Rocket, then this shouldn't be overlooked. Either way, they're both great machines, and a big step up from the GCP!
@chriskvikstad4980
6 ай бұрын
@@bartalks1810 Thank you so much for your insights and thanks for taking the time to give me some great things to think about. Based on your comments, I think the Rocket R58 Cinquantotto will likely be the winner for me when I'm ready to take that next step. Right now I'm the only one using it, as my wife is more of a tea drinker and my boys are too young to drink coffee, but every once in awhile she would like me to make her a single shot latte with steamed plant based milk. Steaming oat or almond milk is definitely harder with the GCP than full fat dairy milk! We sometimes have company over that will drink coffee and it would be nice to have such a capable machine as the Rocket at the ready. It's also beautiful. I like to work on my own appliances and electronics, and luckily there is an authorized La Marzocco and Rocket dealer here in my city. If something were to happen and I couldn't resolve it myself, I'm sure their service technicians could work on it for me. I really enjoy medium roasts and so far I'm only making flat whites and lattes for myself. I haven't mastered the GCP process enough to be able to really get consistent espresso shots yet, so I find that milk drinks are much more forgiving. I have a Eureka Mignon Specialita grinder so it will definitely be a good complement to any machine that I upgrade to. With all of that in mind, I think I'm sold on the R58 Cinquantotto! Thanks again for your time!😁
@vegoil
Жыл бұрын
Brilliant and naff all at once (time I’ll never get back). I want that machine.
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
you summed me up!
@cuprajake1
7 ай бұрын
has it really been a year? wow - hope you guys are ok?
@bartalks1810
7 ай бұрын
a year already? wow. we're both OK, but our friend Gerald - who founded peaberry roasters passed in December. His son has taken over, but Gerald was a class act. Max and me are. both fine, but both our jobs have accelerated somewhat monopolise our time.
@ghost4033
11 ай бұрын
Very straight forward review. Appreciate all your time spent to share your thoughts and feelings unwrapped. The way you admire positive emotions V3 gives you after months of daily use gave me the confidence to get up from sofa and get one today ) although it will be a third one on the kitchen but other two (Breville models) are not able (or lets say, I am not able) to get me THAT CUP of espresso you really close your eyes to enjoy the first bit.
@bartalks1810
Ай бұрын
Amazing feedback, thank you. sorry for the late reply, somehow I missed it. How is it working out for you? I have no regrets keeping mine, and even with the new fancy stuff coming out, I'm not really tempted to change it.
@jensc.h.548
Жыл бұрын
Have you testet the temperature stability? I find that the temperature can fluctuate 5-7 degrees C depending on the time it have been sitting on the profitec 500 and 700. I think it is a general E61 group head problem and therefore I would never go for the flow profiling over the group head thermometer
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
for sure that's the best to have, but then you're looking at a saturated group head and more bucks.
@youtubeaccount7137
8 ай бұрын
Its impossible it would fluctutate 5 to 7 degrees celcius. How did you measure it?
@TheDennzio
9 ай бұрын
40 minutes? (nevermind...worth it). Oh which of your beans are "amazing in a cappucino"? Thanks.
@gabrielcr78
Жыл бұрын
Will you give us a competición with the r58?
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if I will be able to do a full review of each side by side. I gave the rocket to my Dad, who is enjoying it at the grand age of 93. Maybe I'll have a reunion with Max and discuss the two...
@rudevectors8018
Жыл бұрын
Lovely machine but it’s a profiteering ripoff. They added paint, and redesigned the older (janky) drip tray. £600 extra please!
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
yeah, I saw they raised the price for the powder coated model. I'd still buy it over the chrome version though - it cleans so easy. But it's a lot extra for what it is. OTH - have you seen the premium on some other machines for a fancy colour?? search for rockets r58 giro italia special edition. Have a valium ready.
@rudevectors8018
Жыл бұрын
@@bartalks1810 That’s a crazy price!! Btw, great review style. Looking forward to more.
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
Hi Jake. wait till they come out with the version with racing stripes painted on the sides. That one will be expensive, but the coffee will come out faster.
@henrychan2113
Жыл бұрын
I love to have this machine but struggling how I would get enough support in UK like maintenance and repair, any thought or recommendations?
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
It's hard to give an honest reply Henry, because I've not had any issues. But unlike the supply problems that happens sometimes in the US, I think getting parts won't be a problem here in the UK. It's a popular machine too, so I'd expect there to be support for it from the dealers who sell them. However, if mine went wrong, depending on what it was, I'd just call up Adrian from 'Give it the Beans' and ask him to fix it for me. If you look at the things that might break, it will mainly be getting the parts and then knowing someone who can fit them. The main exception being the electronics, but even this I think shouldn't be hard to replace. Remember too, this is third generation, so if there was a major design fault, I expect we'd have found it by now. I feel that by writing all this positive stuff, I'm probably jinxing it for you 😂
@JamieD247
Жыл бұрын
@@bartalks1810 where do we purchase one from?
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
@@JamieD247 find your local disti here lelit.com/lelit-worldwide/#
@TheHelicapt
Жыл бұрын
Do you like this machine more than the rocket r58 ?
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
I do actually, but not for all the reasons you might expect. I like the colour and size and how easy it is to clean. I like the flow control. I don't like the control panel. The R58 is much better. But the R58 had lots of issues with the water tank sensor, so beware of that.
@paul--b
Жыл бұрын
I’m sure there is a shortcut for changing the temp straight away without menu diving. Can’t tell you exactly what it is without the machine in front of me as I’m on holiday. Aeropress time now 😐
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
Oh, you are such a tease. I didn't see this in the manual, but I hope you're right. Let me know if you find out.
@paul--b
Жыл бұрын
So I’m home now, so you just push - then + and then you can change the temp. Maybe that doesn’t count as a shortcut, but it seems easy enough to me.
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
@@paul--b I have to press the minus key 6 times, then press plus, then change it. But if I'm in a rush, and you miss the 6th spot, you have to cycle around and do it again. You're possibly less lazy than me.
@paul--b
Жыл бұрын
@@bartalks1810 oh that’s annoying…. I have a v2.1 so I guess that’s a v3 thing or maybe because you have a pre-prod version.
@zinedoubfull3902
Жыл бұрын
Still Not Sure if i should buy a bianca or a Rocket Cinquecento😮.
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
have you seen my rocket review? I owned one of those for a couple years. Good machine, except for the water tank niggles - but you'll miss the paddle control...
@zinedoubfull3902
Жыл бұрын
@@bartalks1810 Thanks for the reply, that is something i thought about as well. I could upgrade the Rocket with a Flow Paddle Kit later on also the Wood Kit but the lelit has a better Value for less Money. Overall in not Sure if its just the Look or the Brand Rocket that i Like. But the fact, that the Touchscreen is outside and that they stopped the R60 App Support for ios. Makes me scaptic, What will happen, if the display will break over time.. mhh
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
@@zinedoubfull3902 The external display was the thing I disliked the most when buying the rocket and the thing I ended up liking the most, and I still miss it. The Bianca's control panel is amateurish compared to the R58's. Mine took some abuse and never missed a beat. I would pay another £100 to have that control panel on the Bianca instead of the 1980's calculator version they have right now.
@zinedoubfull3902
Жыл бұрын
@@bartalks1810 I bought the Bianca v3 today :) big thanks for your Reviews.
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
@@zinedoubfull3902 Amazing. Let me know how you get on. I'm still super happy with mine. When you use it every day for months, and it still makes you happy, you know it's a good investment.
@moedeeb
Жыл бұрын
What has happened to your channel r u both ok? You might only have ever had 6 views but I miss you❤
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
Still here moedeeb. I hope to come back, but right now it's not possible. Work and personal life things - everything's fine though, and bless you for asking. Also, got to make it back for that lucky 7th view! :)
@fsi2210
Жыл бұрын
Max is always the highlight of your videos.
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
I'll be sure to not tell him that.
@madmax84siena
Жыл бұрын
@@bartalks1810 not to tell me what? :D
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
dammit
@Ramesh_Muthusamy
Жыл бұрын
Nice review.
@esiron1
Жыл бұрын
Great video Nick! I too got it before Christmas as my first machine and still learning a lot! I was wondering if you could make another video showing the single shot cappuccino from start to finish, how you play with the paddle to get those nice lungos, and lastly I wanted to know how long you should wait if you switch from let’s say 91 to 95 C to get the group head temp stable enough ?
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the kind words. What a great idea to do one on recipes. OK, it's a deal, I'll employ my son as the camera man and we'll put that together. Re: the temperature change, I might get a grouphead thermometer to test it and report back. It's a good question.
@esiron1
Жыл бұрын
@@bartalks1810 Awesome! Looking forward to it !
@barbraune1964
10 ай бұрын
the white and black one cost 500 or 500 euro more is it worth?
@bartalks1810
9 ай бұрын
I think so. After you spend all that money, you want the machine to look good for a long time. Mine looks almost as good today as it was when I took it out of the box. The same is not true of chrome finishes, unless you are meticulous in cleaning after each shot in my experience.
@sdsupple
Жыл бұрын
Why would the machine being plumbed in affect the steam pressure? I haven't heard that in any other Bianca V3 reviews I've seen
@misskitty1666
10 күн бұрын
$3000, sorry but NO
@brettb1
Жыл бұрын
Terrible review
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
but how do you really feel?
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
@@cuprajake1 If someone didn't hate me, I'd be worried I was getting too PC 😂
@brettb1
Жыл бұрын
@Bartalks sorry that was a bit harsh but I was waiting to see you actually using the machine to show the features and how they worked.
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
@@brettb1 Ahhh, fair enough and it's a valid point. I'm going to do a follow on, maybe shorter video just on using it functionally.
@bartalks1810
Жыл бұрын
@@brettb1 and of course, if you're in the UK, you're welcome to come over and I'll show you my workflow :)
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