As a stay I do agree that our fandom is rather toxic and you're so right about music, it's all about one's tastes. Patiently waiting for people to realize that they don't have to like every single song from their favs.
@WONIBON
5 ай бұрын
Omg thank u like I actually get tired when people say “oh our fandom not toxic we just delulu” it’s so cringe and untrue every fandom have their toxic side u might not seen it but it’s there especially if it’s a big group.
@TotallyN0tVi
5 ай бұрын
as a stay, I must admit that I am literally afraid of most stays, especially the older ones. I've seen a bunch of those tiktok memes mentioning how *some* older stays get aggressive over extremely simple and stupid stuff like not knowing remote songs or b-tracks and whatnot (which is something completely acceptable, I dare someone to name all of skz's tracks lol). I have seen this happening with my own eyes, baby stays getting attacked for asking something in a comment section. It's so sad seeing all of this happening, and masking this off by saying "we're just delulu" makes it even worse. I've also got attacked a couple of times by these stays (that in my opinion wouldn't even deserve to be called stays in the first place), but honestly I couldn't care less about them. I am a stay because I genuinely enjoy skz's music and overall content, the fandom is just something secondary that is easy to avoid most of the times. I really hope you never have to go through something like that again😭😭
@Niki_dontleeknow
5 ай бұрын
Stays be like: “HOW DON’T YOU KNOW DOMESTIC BANANA??? IT’S A MASTERPIECE” Meanwhile skz forgetting the existence of their own song that they themselves have written
@peach_tea_mystic
5 ай бұрын
I am a huge stay and i'm sorry you got sent death threats over an opinion, it's ok to not like something. somedays i wish skz was smaller so we wouldn't have as many toxic fans. but i am proud of how far they've come. it's okay to not like a release or two by a group, i got harrassed for not liking get cool tbh. also why would we hate you, you're right 😭😭
@xiao_tingz
5 ай бұрын
stays are the most toxic fandom ever imo, so i was scrolling through my fyp and i acme across a video of one of my moots posted a video about kara's Hara which is my ult group/ult bias and omg a few stays were making fun of her death, cussing her, saying that she is a loser bcz she died because of suicidal all though she was one of the most peaceful idols in the industry.
@Huxxleigh
5 ай бұрын
i literally got bullied out of the fandom because i am a multi and liked i dont even remember whose comeback better than skz 💀 i love skz but like everytime i listen to their music i just kind of get a bitter taste in my mouth now :((
@fairypeary
5 ай бұрын
OMG SAME?!?
@chaeripie888
5 ай бұрын
so true. ngl it feels like stays changed as soon as the fandom grew bigger with skz, the new fans (blinks) it got worse. i left after 5 star despite being a stay since predebut. the new stay generation is delusional.
@Niki_dontleeknow
5 ай бұрын
Skz have made so many songs and different genres that liking them all seems impossible without pushing them down your throat and forcing yourself to like them imo. I like more or less 90% of their songs (I can even drop the full list of the ones I don’t like lol), the others are just not for me and that’s okay. I became a stay after 5-star, but to me it seems like the fandom has always been kinda toxic honestly, always involved in fanwars and the false accusations about Woojin (I’m not a fan of him but I’m sorry for him). I’m still learning how to survive in this fandom, I can’t even open Twitter anymore or I’ll just get mad and disappointed.
@erica_ricky1234
5 ай бұрын
I havent completely loved an album release since noeasy all of my favorite songs are noeasy or earlier, I still consider myself a stay and a fan of their music though. I think that stays are currently experiencing a huge maturity issue, it seems that there a large lack of maturity coming from stays especially those who are extremely active on social media. It comes down to a para social relationship, a false sense of ownership, and a truly inappropriate savior complex.
@buzzingdive
5 ай бұрын
Hello everyone, just wanted to say a couple of things, this was my first time doing a sorta 'commentary' (if you can call it that), i hope it was good enough! Secondly, the clips from the actual video until Gunil (drummer) are mine (the groups are enhypen, cherry bullet, xg, sunmi) and I'd appreciate no reposts (although i dont think that anyone would) And finally! Thank you for the support in the comments! I've seen people say that I'm very welcomed to go back to the fandom, but i have lost interest, both in the personalities and the music Also, go stream as I said kzitem.info/news/bejne/1m-ktmenkYNyZ6Qsi=wPI9OWB5u4MQcIo3 (mv) open.spotify.com/track/0Tq7v8YAmwdnAYBwyR1pZ4?si=rdXsuR8VQDiLF5df_MI8bg (Spotify)
@TryinBin8889
5 ай бұрын
"The vocal part of your fandom sucks." PREACH IT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. It's not about it being a small minority, it's the VOCAL IMAGE OF OUR FANDOM. I'm an ex-STAY, and I always get frustrated when people are like "but it's only a small part of the fandom, only a small part is toxic." I don't care. That "small part" is the voice of all of STAY, it's the image of the whole fandom that other fandoms and the boys see, and if we keep enabling their behaviour by justifying it for WHATEVER reason, you are PART of the toxicity. It's a vocal minority, but it's justified by a much bigger portion of the fandom who don't hold each other accountable. I was a STAY from 2019 - mid 2023. I fell in love with Stray Kids, especially as an Aussie. Because I felt Felix and Bang Chan represented Straya's egalitarian culture so well. The fandom does NOT. I left STAY because whenever I would call out other STAY's online for how they would talk to others, how they would conduct themselves online, how they would represent Stray Kids and the messages in Stray Kids music (or rather, NOT represent it), OTHER 'NON-TOXIC' STAYS WOULD SHIT ON ME AND OSTRACISE ME. It was all the STAY who would scold me for telling other STAY who would say horrible things off. Or who would say I was being unreasonable, or that I didn't understand, or that the person being mean was probably younh. Horrible fandom through and through, where 5% of the fandom is toxic and 50% of the fandom enables it. I would watch Stray Kids content, and it would leave a bitter taste in my mouth. "Do I really align my values with other people who watch this content?" I knew the boys would be fine without me. So I stopped. STAY justify this as a small portion of the fandom. But that small portion is rampant because the rest of the fandom does nothing to stop them, except pretend that they're completely seperate from them when that's not the case. Even CARAT and AROHA and MOOMOO have toxic minorities, but the rest of the fandom reels them, tells them off, holds them accountable and sets a good example and precedence for how these people should behave. STAY avoids having to do that as much as they can and ignore it. STAY could be a great fandom. They actively choose ignorance, and give the boys a bad rep along with hurting a lot of STAYs and non-STAYs alike on the way.
@olivesareoliver
5 ай бұрын
As a current stay, this is so real. While my experience with other stays is 98% good, I recognise that there's quite a difference between our fandom and one of my other fandoms, aroha.
@peach_tea_mystic
5 ай бұрын
i'm sorry this happened to you, being young isn't an excuse for being an asshole, i'll tell off toxic stays more
@Breakingdinner9
5 ай бұрын
As a stay I agree but I also think that’s sadly what comes with every fandom. I’m also a massive fan of lsfm and I made a comment on their live vocals and got sent death threats despite being a fan myself?? I think a lot of people in the K-pop community except everyone to be die hard fans and ignore things they don’t like. I’m sorry you’ve had bad experiences w STAYs. I know our reputation isn’t great and I really hope it changes in the future
@rembbokie
5 ай бұрын
Unfortunately Stays are becoming the new Armys and it’s really sad to see. I say this as someone who stopped being an Army and completely lost interest in BTS due to the fandom, so I do understand that fandoms can affect your love for a group. Back when I had a public, active Twitter account and was an Army, I had made a casual comment about how I worried for BTS vocal health because their technique wasn’t very good (this was 2018-2019 I believe). I got sent death threats, people saying that my bias would hate me, that I wasn’t a fan, etc,. Kpop stans really can’t handle criticism, and at the same time, most Kpop stans’ criticism isn’t really criticism-just hate. That hate drowns out any real constructive criticism unfortunately. Moving to a private account has significantly helped my mental health but of course I’m still aware of the toxic part of Stayville. That really is the issue, Stayville, not general Stays. The online community sucks. In person Stays are some of the nicest people from any fandoms I’ve interacted with, at general Kpop events but also at their concerts it really does feel like a safe place. At my concert date somebody lost their wallet and the person who found it was going around looking for the owner for an hour or more before the concert started. Somebody else felt unwell near my section and people (strangers, not someone they knew) helped them walk out of the row and get medical attention (this was during the performances). Somebody’s keychain with one of the members fell onto the group and it got passed around row by row to find the owner. If it wasn’t for that experience, where we truly felt like a community, I probably would have left the fandom a while ago. But it did restore my hope a little in Stays. Again, not Stayville (online). Sure you could say “well those people probably have stan twitter so they’re not as nice online most likely”, but there’s no way of knowing that of course and I try not be completely negative about it. You could say I’m being naive by choosing to look at it this way but at the end of the day SKZ really does bring me joy and so I have to do what I have to do. To be clear, I’m not making excuses for the fandom or dismissing anything you brought up. I wasn’t a huge fan of Rockstar either actually, but knowing how busy they were in 2023 and how the members all looked pretty run down at one point or another during that year (5 star promotions onward), I kept it to myself. Obviously, that’s my personal choice. I’m sure they can handle criticism… as they get it constantly. I guess I wrote this just to share my experience, truly. It’s not to change your mind but you can believe that or not, do with this information what you will. I suppose my main point is that I’ve tried to cultivate an online space that’s pretty limited to the non toxic Stays in Stayville and that’s really the only reason I’m still here, and that’s depressing af to say. It shouldn’t be like that. I don’t make excuses for the toxic Stays. Heck, I am a Staydive, I was there when all that sh*t happened. I received threats for posting Ive members (again, this was back when I had a public account). My interest in SKZ dwindled a bit when that happened because of how disgusting Stays were being towards IVE members, not even just Dives. But my experience at the concert was just a reminder that I’m in the fandom for a reason, that I support the kids for a reason. I love them and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. At the same time, I understand that the fandom is too toxic for a lot of people. You or another ex-stay might read this and say I’m justifying the toxic parts of the fandom - I’m really not at all, that’s not my intention. I don’t know how else to emphasize that but hopefully that comes across.
@buzzingdive
5 ай бұрын
I'm really glad you managed to find hope in stays, and if you enjoy their music and content then I'm really happy for you! Everyone's experiences are gonna be different, and im glad not everyone has experienced the same shit as I did, keep enjoying what you enjoy, as long as no hates involved then continue like that!
@hola_soy_peppa
5 ай бұрын
Im so sorry that happened to u Gained a new sub❤
@buzzingdive
5 ай бұрын
Aww tysmmm
@SkyFWWO
5 ай бұрын
Stays make me appreciate blinks, blinks look like the best fandom ever the moment I knew how toxic stays are.
@brennathecatlover4360
3 ай бұрын
I’m still pissed about how they treated woojin and still do since if it was a current member of the group people would react differently
@buzzingdive
3 ай бұрын
Yes, definitely, whenever I see a video mentioning him, I brace myself when opening the comments, I can expect the most vile comments
@grade1153
5 ай бұрын
As a stay, i understand your opinion and also agree that some of our members from the fandom are rlly toxic.. Although there are reasons like- those ppl probably rlly liked the song and the idols this time worked really hard for this album and tbh imo i think this was their best one or at least second best one yet- (rockstar album) especially the songs cover me, lalalala and megaverse and some stays like me- like the idols and literally got into skz JUST becuz of their talent/hardwork or mostly becuz of it (hence what im tryna say is that such stays prolly said these not becz theyre delulu or smth but becuz they understand the hardwork the idols put into making this and how technically skz is literally one of the best boy bands and who produce their own music) and so i understand where theyre cmg from but death threats? guys,.... are you fr? arent we better than this? like are u serious?! death threats? If yall dont accept their opinions then just ignore it... People can have their own opinions... I'm rlly sorry this happened to you but id say plz dont leave stay or skz becuz of that becuz only SKZ formed STAY and STAY doesnt form SKZ. So if you support skz and like their music and idols, then you should still be a part of our fandom
@buzzingdive
5 ай бұрын
I didn't leave the fandom because of those, it may have been one of the reasons, but, I also fell out of love with their music, I still listen to some of their songs like spread my wings or dlc, but I just won't listen to them as much, I do understand how much hard work is put into their talents, two (I'm not sure the wind writes their songs) of my ult groups write their songs (Bnd: Jaehyun, Taesan, Woonhak, Xdh: all the members if I'm not mistaken), I really appreciate self produced groups, which is a reason why skz used to be my ults
@xiao_tingz
5 ай бұрын
that still doesn't give them access to drag other groups and send death threats
@purpledreamcatcher
5 ай бұрын
my friend's ult bias is ive wonyoung and her ult group is stray kids and stays were literally hating on wonyoung- i've personally only met delulu stays (i am one of them) but i once saw a video which said "which artist is talented nut underrated?" and stays said stray kids. Stray Kids underrated? Keep lying to yourselves. And hating on someone for dislking a song is just-
@buzzingdive
5 ай бұрын
These are things I didn't even talk about but yeah, how tf do you have part of the fandom saying skz is underrated and then another part saying their 4th gen leaders... Make it make sense! They're obviously one of the top fourth gen groups
@purpledreamcatcher
5 ай бұрын
@@buzzingdive Ikr Luckily people under the comments had brains and said that skz aren't underrated
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