I grew up in a very neglectful home. We, at 5/7/9 were left for days at a time while my mom went out and did her thing after the divorce. I remember once there was a huge ice storm that knocked out all the power to the area. The neighbors (who had a daughter our age and were truly wonderful people) came and insisted we come stay with them. The neighbors cared more about our safety than our mother. (This is one of a million stories I have) I grew up and ended up having 2 kids. I never leave them alone. They are 15 and 16 now... they probably wish I left them alone more often. My point being is- regardless of upbringing... as an adult, you must choose to either repeat the cycle, or break it.
@simonw1313
Жыл бұрын
The fact that you - through good luck - had neighbours who were caring and concerned about you and your siblings may have been a significant factor in determining that you seem to have broken the cycle. You literally had a good example. But we can't escape the fact that abused children disproportionately turn into dysfunctional adults. Something that really should be no surprise.
@lostandfound5145
Жыл бұрын
You’re right-people should know how it made them feel and avoid repeating the damage but many, many, many people cope by telling themselves that the behavior is normal, that “they turned out fine” and that “their kids turned out fine”. How many times have you heard that? People constantly talk about beating their children and use the excuse that “they turned out fine” when clearly they did not It’s a tough spot. While I survived severe abuse as a child, I turned right around at 19 and married an abusive man. I just didn’t know any better. It took me 15 yrs before I began the journey of education that helped me escape. It was never because I wanted my poor children to repeat the cycle that I did. I was in denial and that, my friend, is a powerful defense mechanism. I did break the cycle and have gotten so much therapy for myself and the kids to ensure we break the cycle But why did I escape? Why me? I was just lucky. It wasn’t because of some personal virtue or inner strength that other victims lack. My mother never escaped. Why? She is intelligent and beautiful and resourceful? But she stayed. Denial is powerful. And nobody really knows what breaks people from it’s grip. My point is-remember to have compassion for the people that aren’t able to escape the cycle. Your judgement doesn’t help anyone escape, the shame and condemnation will drive them further into their denial, unfortunately.
@telena5042
Жыл бұрын
You also had ppl in your life show you kindness. Makes me wonder about ppl that never experience that kindness.
@meredithisme3752
Жыл бұрын
I agree it's BS I grew up in a home of poverty and domestic violence I'm one of six we all grew up to be good well educated people (working jobs after school) all wonderful parents raised wonderful kids, you can't go around blaming the world
@kimlarso
Жыл бұрын
@@meredithisme3752 yes, BUT, do u remember at least one human being that was your light in the dark; school teacher, another friend & their parents, an elderly neighbor, a pet? It only takes having ONE of these in your life that can/does help turn your path all around! Just as a 5 minute incident (a robbery, a rape, an unexpected witnessed death) would change your life forever so too, just the kindness of one truly good person crossing your path🦋
@MichaelYoder1961
Жыл бұрын
When you're poor and find a place you can afford the real REAL threat of being evicted by complaining is overwhelming and so people say nothing to keep a roof over their heads.
@oma2963
Жыл бұрын
Some do not choose to live in chaos. They just have never known anything different.
@user-fi6dc8dw9f
6 ай бұрын
Not a defense. Fully responsible. They suffered awfully. She didn’t have to have kids she couldn’t afford or care for
@nicholkola9975
Жыл бұрын
Ugh those sweet brave little babies tried so hard to save themselves. Heartbreaking. Like others have mentioned, my sympathy waned after the 3rd story of neglect. She became her mom, and now her youngest is missing siblings, just like her. What a sad story all the way around.
@suzanne6031
Жыл бұрын
What’s all that stuff in the background on your new set? It’s rather strange & distracting.
@tankthearc9875
Жыл бұрын
im not so sure she knew the danger of a fire in the house , but was protecting them to dangers of running on the street . also daycare for a single parent is very hard , she was put in a tough spot
@KelmutHool
Жыл бұрын
The landlord is just as guilty as the mother. In any civilized country, it would be his responsibility to leave the house in a good condition before renting it to anyone.
@eadweard.
Жыл бұрын
Not _as_ guilty, no.
@KelmutHool
Жыл бұрын
@@eadweard. you're right. He is even more guilty, given the fact that the house had already burned before and the wiring in the basement was never properly looked at. That man is a danger to society.
@LeeannG
Жыл бұрын
Dr Grande, Your work ethic reminds me of Stephen King. In his fantastic non-fiction book “On Writing”, SK talks about how he writes a certain number of words every single day, except for Christmas and his birthday. Later he clarifies that he only said that so people didn’t think he was weird; he actually writes every single day. Your output continues to impress me. Happy Thanksgiving :)
@SalBug2
Жыл бұрын
I have to' argue that just because the SW's didn't report any adverse situations in her prior foster homes doesn't mean they didn't exist. I worked for several years as a court appointed advocate for children in the foster system and know how overwhelmed the SW's were. The entire system is flawed, and Angelica may not have understood that her own bad decisions would have consequences because her own living arrangements never had consequences. She is an example of how things go wrong in a horrible system.
@DottieMinerva
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely. It’s more common than not as horrifying to imagine. That’s one of the reasons I became a foster parent. To be one of the good homes.
@powlperc
Жыл бұрын
Agree
@missunderstood8028
Жыл бұрын
Oh plz, for real? There's no excuse for this. Trade your children for a 3 hour shift? F that, you call out. I'm sure she's familiar with that.
@RebeccaLynnMusic
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@overzealouseuthanasiast9731
Жыл бұрын
@@missunderstood8028 Nobody's excusing anything. Plz consider that identifying contributing factors to horrific mistakes only helps us figure out better ways of avoiding such tragedy. People need money to live, to survive, especially in America: where even basic healthcare is designed to saddle you with lifetime debt. And desperation makes most ppl, and most certainly parents, take crazy decisions.
@ih8jail
Жыл бұрын
Great point with the brick throwing analogy. I often think about this aspect of the law, that the outcomes are judged more so than the actions.
@jane3924
Жыл бұрын
the depth of damage to a child is illuminated by her life-story through adulthood
@littleeva
Жыл бұрын
I wonder what resources were really available to her. Many times the resources look good on paper but don't exist in practice.
@jenz5607
Жыл бұрын
It is reasonable to assume that Angelica suffered from Complex Developmental Trauma (PTSD that has its roots in childhood trauma). She was likely to have anxiety, panic, poor judgement and impaired executuve functions. Poor mothers without reliable childcare are left with few if any choices and can only afford apartments owned by slumlords. Angelica likely learned at an early age not to trust anyone (with good reason) so it is not surprising she would turn down help even when it was available. I have far more compassion for Angelica and I believe her sentence was excessive. I do not think she intended to harm her children.
@alyssaheller7860
Жыл бұрын
I agree.
@lisanelke9726
Жыл бұрын
I agree too.
@yvehooson9262
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree, the sentence does seem excessive to me but at least now she is in a place where she can get mental health treatment, something she should have been offered in her childhood after losing her sister in such a traumatising way. Trauma just repeats down the generations. In do wonder where the father of Angelica Belen's children was, and why he couldn't have looked after them while she was working? You make a child, whatever the circumstances, 50% of that child's welfare rests on your shoulders, no ifs, no buts.
@kimlarso
Жыл бұрын
I concur 🦋
@M123Xoxo
Жыл бұрын
I'm skeptical of the "help" that was available. It's very hard to get reliable childcare with no money, let alone childcare for three kids. Plus two of the kids had special needs which makes it harder. Now add that her job required her to work nights and tell me what daycare is available for that schedule? I highly doubt there was as much help available as her relatives claimed. A lot of people just assume government benefits/resources are ample when they've never had to use them.
@terrygaedchens5928
Жыл бұрын
Angelica had a history of being shuffled about, controlled by unfamiliar persons with varied social and child care tactics and skills. I believe her survival history played a key role influencing her decision choices. I also believe her discretion skill set, was skewed during her childhood experiences. Desperation is oftentimes the force that lends the cornered the idea of opting for a choice in the moment, as clock ticks away to a point of no options. It's sad, that powerlessness patterns established in childhood, often follow them into adulthood, yielding repeating patterns of lackadaisical yet desperate choices.
@onlyeyeno
Жыл бұрын
I see that I'm not the only one who is disturbed by the fact that the role of the clearly negligent and at least partially responsible landlord wasn't even commented on ??? Was he just able to "merrily" collect his insurance payout after this absolute disaster that he played an active roll in creating ?
@user-fi6dc8dw9f
6 ай бұрын
You can’t put your kids lives in the hands of anyone else. If an adult was with the kids they would have gotten out. It’s why you can’t rely on anyone else!! She KNEW the risk of the house, didn’t move and left them open to ALL risk!!! Stop making excuses.
@hatuletoh
Жыл бұрын
I love how Dr. Grande always compassionately cuts through the bullshit.
@user-ic9qm8mb4t
Жыл бұрын
Dr. Grande, I feel like I'm always the negative one, but what about that monstrous landlord?? I have six children and was fortunate to be able to stay home with them. My husband worked. I would never even think about leaving them, but there's something about this case that upsets me. Of course the little children are the first concern and a heartache for their horrible death. But what about the fathers of the children? Child support?? Family support?? There were no specific things brought out for what help she didn't take advantage of. There too much about this terrible case for me to know about a just outcome for her. Where are the fathers of children?? I never had any offer of assistance in my life when our family was barely making it. There's no help for families in America.....get real.
@francescaking6187
Жыл бұрын
I agree. I think it's easy for us to judge. I think it's hard to find anyone to babysit special needs children.
@judithgannon5642
Жыл бұрын
I immediately wondered how she could afford daycare or a sitter on a hostess salary
@simonw1313
Жыл бұрын
I think she was probably entirely ignorant of the ramifications of the dodgy electrics and have a large empathy deficit in so far as understanding the damage and abusive upbringing has in so far as it mitigates against being an adult whose default position is acting in a rational, organised and responsible way. And it's not as if she was out partying - she was scared about losing her job. I don't see that keeping her locked up in a prison for near two decades is going to help anyone bar the operators of the prison.
@jackiegrice714
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this one Dr Grande. I do feel for Angelica, but I don’t think it excuses her from the consequences of her actions.
@simonw1313
Жыл бұрын
The consequence of her action was the horrific death of three of her children in the most horrific way imaginable. I'm not sure why adding a gratuitously punitive jail term is going to help that? It might have been better if society cared more about support and remedial help for the victims of abusive upbringings than waiting for them to f-ck up (in this case with unimaginably horrific consequences) and then heap on further misery under the heading of "consequences".
@outrageous-alex
Жыл бұрын
Moral of the story: we need better support for parents. Single parents. Those without support like watching children. She needed to work to survive and help her children, she didn't get any assistance.
@philipinchina
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. Your content is, as always, excellent. I thank G-d that I have never been in the sort of circumstances that this poor woman had to face.
@TheFakeyCakeMaker
Жыл бұрын
I'm right down the middle with this one, she had help though which is more than many women have but I fully appreciate her desperation. Hope the landlord got the book thrown at him. Those poor poor babies.
@ErinSaysHello2U
Жыл бұрын
Wow. These dads just skate by. No consequences ever.
@zenawarrior7442
Жыл бұрын
Rough childhoods aren't an excuse for lack of critical thinking or bad behaviors. So sad those poor children died alone & terrified 😔Great analysis again. Thanks Dr G😊💙❤
@valjohnson1927
Жыл бұрын
Not an excuse butdefinitely a cause
@zenawarrior7442
Жыл бұрын
@@valjohnson1927 Was a factor not a cause. Our choices generally are causes.
@valjohnson1927
Жыл бұрын
@@zenawarrior7442 a causing factor
@simonw1313
Жыл бұрын
Blah blah blah blame (one of) the victim ... pretend there's not a massive amount of research that proves children with damaging childhoods don't disproportionately become damaged adults. Some people are far happier wagging their fingers and piously pontificating than working out how we can support and help dysfunctional young adults transcend their abusive upbringings.
@gatsby66
Жыл бұрын
@@simonw1313 ❤️❤️❤️
@rejaneoliveira5019
Жыл бұрын
This is utterly heartbreaking, poor children.💔😢 Thank you for the insightful analysis, Dr.Grande.❤
@namastenurse
Жыл бұрын
I would want to know a lot more about her cognitive abilities. I wonder if at anytime during contact with CPS if they did any evaluations on her to see if she could even process and implement any of the advice or assistance she was being given. Clearly, she failed her children. Conveniently, juvenile court records are sealed; so we will never know the full extent of just how badly CPS failed both her and her children. I’m a very experienced foster and a medical professional. It didn’t have to end this way.
@lostandfound5145
Жыл бұрын
What a tragic story. My heart breaks for that mother. She seemed like she was trying. I’m sure she was overwhelmed, exhausted and depressed. She didn’t have anyone there to hold her hand or coach her. And that’s what she needed. A coach. Therapy. Assistance. Child care. It’s such an unnecessary tragedy. We ship so much money overseas to be laundered by evil people, so much money wasted while people like this suffer when such a tiny amount of money could employ enough professionals to properly help them. It’s the senselessness of it all and the greed of those in power that makes it difficult not to feel despair.
@cottontails9003
Жыл бұрын
Good morning Dr Grande. What a tragic situation, those 3 children never stood a chance. Family should always come first what a shocking way to die. My heart breaks for all her children. I'm finding it hard to have sympathy for the mother. If she had resources why didn't she use them to save her children. Thank you Dr Grande. Brilliant analysis, tragic outcome and topic.
@zenawarrior7442
Жыл бұрын
Hi friend. Great comment. Hope your Thanksgiving was good. I saw Mom. She wasn't well, praying she gets better. Hugs to you & your family 👪🤗🌻🌷🌵😚💕💚💜🍽🥧
@cottontails9003
Жыл бұрын
@@zenawarrior7442 Hello my lovely friend. I'm sorry about your mum, hang in there, we have your back. Sending love and lots of love and hugs too you both. Next and last baby due 15th August next year. Missed you and L.D. heaps 😢😘❤💙💖✉☕🌷🌸🌹🍀👭
@valjohnson1927
Жыл бұрын
It's not surprising that someone with an unstable childhood and in and out of foster homes may have not become a good parent especially when having children with the added challenge of special needs
@DavidDeeble
Жыл бұрын
This story is a good example of how people with problems tend to accumulate more problems.
@olasmith8132
Жыл бұрын
So, Angelica's mother's boyfriend who killed Angelica's little sister gets 15 years....but Angelica, who has faced nothing but abuse and lack of care throughout her childhood and youth gets 15 years also, when perhaps the landlord was responsible for his badly kept house and therefore fire....perhaps Angelica was not mother of the year, but she was only 19 when she had her 1st baby, only 19, only 19, only 19 with no support really...just think of all the children who have support and good homes, at 19 just graduating high school, with proud, loving parents showering gifts and loving support......then imagine Angelica's daily life...poor Angelica, her poor babies, human tragedy, so heartbreaking for all the neglected children like Angelica.
@thekurtcobainfoundation4200
Жыл бұрын
Dr. Grande I've been wanting to to tell you I like the background lights.
@Andrea-xs4ny
Жыл бұрын
I agree with your assessment, Dr. Grande. My heart breaks for everyone involved in this story. I'd like to share the story of a woman that worked at the same place I did years ago. This story has a completely different outcome for the mother. This woman had 5 children and was home at night with them. Her husband worked the 3rd shift and he realized he'd left his lunch at home. She decided to take it to home at work, leaving her children at home alone. If I recall, they were all in bed. LIke with Angelica, she assumed they'd be fine. While she was gone, the house went up in flames, killing 4 of her 5 children. She wasn't charged with anything and, down the road, she and her husband even had one more child. That was certainly bittersweet. Here's why she probably had a better outcome than Angelica: 1) She was not a previous offender, 2) She had good standing in the community and had a great job, 3) She was a homeowner, and 4) She was upper-middle class. Take what you will from all that. In the end, our company and her community rallied around her, trying to ease her, her husband's, and surviving daughter's pain. Yes, there was some whispering about her terrible decision, but she was afforded more compassion than crucifixion. I've made some bad decisions, myself, and am glad that none led to anything like these 2 cases. I'm prone to believe that most everyone has done the same. At the very least, I hope that people who hear about events such as these learn that some risks are never worth it, and such lessons learned from others' decisions save lives.
@thekurtcobainfoundation4200
Жыл бұрын
This is so sad. I can't imagine being responsible for the death of your babies. How could you live or go on knowing your to blame? She has to live with that every day of her life and there is no escaping it.
@terrygaedchens5928
Жыл бұрын
Some would sense that Angela and the landlord, share a part of the tragedy on that fateful day, but sense also, that neither of them intended such an event to occur. Should evidence to the contrary come to light, the full weight of the law will be exacted, of that I feel sure. And yes, you are right, she will likely remain rueful of this event the rest of her life, sad as it has been to-date.
@tankthearc9875
Жыл бұрын
i guess she can live knowing she did not intend for them to die but was trying to work to feed them
@thekurtcobainfoundation4200
Жыл бұрын
@@tankthearc9875 She left them ALONE. And there IS something called food stamps and wick. No excuse PERIOD.
@dalepointer9414
Жыл бұрын
Dr. Grande does a synopsis study of each case. His professional insight adds much more to each episode, given us as laymen, a general understanding of their personality. Interesting and informative channel about the human condition we call life.
@corrodedzine6320
Жыл бұрын
Great one ! The ghost bit was hilarious! Haha
@benjiradach1361
Жыл бұрын
"The worst case scenario should be the expectation of an offender who is reckless." 🔥 Facts.
@sophiaisabelle01
Жыл бұрын
Dr Grande seems very thorough with this analysis. He emphasizes the factual information we all need to know about.
@simonegellie
Жыл бұрын
Always.
@valjohnson1927
Жыл бұрын
Please cover the Squilla Robinson Cabo Mexico murder case
@tankthearc9875
Жыл бұрын
i only dispute that she knew the dangers of the flickering light in the house . i wouldnt automatically think fire trap.
@johnjacobs633
Жыл бұрын
Dr Grande with another banger!!!!
@bernicereinhard2296
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for being on KZitem, Dr. Grande!! Your videos are so entertaining and informative. And you put out more content than most people, so I always have more videos to watch!! My mom, dad, brother and I love your channel, we are ordering gear for my parents for xmss, they're going to be so excited.
@rhondawileman1466
Жыл бұрын
Hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving Dr. Grande! Love your analysis! Amazing video! Keep up the amazing work Doc! Best of health to you and everyone in the comments and your loved ones! ✌🏻🙋🏼♀️👋🏻 Greetings from State College Pennsylvania! 🤗💙🤘🏻❤️
@Hey___you
Жыл бұрын
Back at you, other Grandite! Love from the Pacific Northwest 🇺🇸
@Cyber_Kati_6744
Жыл бұрын
👏👏 Bravo Dr. Grande! 👏👏 ❤ Proud Patreon Supporter! ❤
@cherylcallahan5402
Жыл бұрын
*Dr Todd Grande Angelica Belen behavior problem foster care appreciate your videos Listening 🌟 from Mass USA TYVM 💙 Todd*
@jenniferknight2788
Жыл бұрын
No way a single woman could successfully care for twins boys with serious medical issues and two other young children. No way you could hold a job etc...
@drakedrones
Жыл бұрын
Wow Dr Grande churning out great videos!!! Thank you ❤
@Neraks-b2x
Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't the landlord and city hold some responsibility for leasing an unsafe house to the family? I lived in an apartment that had a pit in the basement where heating pipes ran to other apartments. It was open to soil at least 8 feet down with a wooden plank over it. When it rained and heat was on, moisture and odor would premeate the entire appartment. The landlord wouldn't do anything. I called the health department in town and they said that it was in the basement and not living area and wouldn't do anything. I used a dehumidifier and kept the basement windows open all the time. Helped a little. Wonder if we were being exposed to radon. My ex still lives there.
@caitopotato5519
Жыл бұрын
Depends on area. In a city I used to live in, a bunch of people died in a house fire and the landlord was deemed responsible as the basement suite wasn't up to code for bedrooms (windows too small to escape, etc).
@brookiegremlin6660
Жыл бұрын
the landlord might bear some responsibility, but, legally, that would not lower the mother's responsibility. She engaged in reckless and neglectful conduct.
@SirenaSpades
Жыл бұрын
Lots of cellars have dirt floors. I suppose the landlord could fill it in with more dirt? It would still be dirt either way. Running a dehumidifier forever won't rid a dirt floor of moisture.
@cindynimmo
Жыл бұрын
The heartbreaking fact is there are practically millions of children growing up in these neglected and abusive situations. It is no wonder we have the problems we have. It’s actually shocking that more are not serial killers and rapists when they are raised with such uncertainty and fear.
@pandaboo8090
Жыл бұрын
Love your content a lot Dr. Grande!
@janinemccartha1811
Жыл бұрын
Hi Dr. Grande. Thanks for another insightful video. Love your content! Maybe she'll learn a very valuable lesson that you can't think only of yourself, but sometimes, really all the time, you should have empathy for others. Peace & Happy Holidays to you & your family as well, hugs, Janine Smiley ✌👋👍💅🎄🎁🎉🏡🚗🚘⌚🛋🆒️❕❗💯
@m.f.richardson1602
Жыл бұрын
I always enjoy your podcasts. I enjoy your analysis. But, I'm glad that I like to stay home with my cat and dog. Thank you Peace 💕🇺🇲
@rrheipel
Жыл бұрын
There are so many people responsible for this. The landlord who did not provide a safe rental property. The Building inspectors from the city that did not insist that electrical problems be fixed. The social workers/police who did not remove the children from the home when they were clearly in danger and Angelica was incapable of caring for two disabled children and their siblings. The fathers of the children who it seems did not provide enough child support for Angelica. Angelica took a job which showed some responsibility but that entails child care which she did not have access to. The system does not provide enough support for single mothers trying to advance financially. She has been punished greatly by the loss of her children. Eighteen years in prison is far too harsh when there are so many others who should bear some of the responsibility.
@katfayegarrett3872
Жыл бұрын
Dr. Grande, where is your new brick wall? Also, thank you for telling the story of poor people who just can't get things right. Sad all the way around.
@sarahwatterson5706
Жыл бұрын
I don’t think I have a problem with the length of Angelica’s sentence but what I would like to know is if that slumlord faced any charges? I think he should serve some time in jail as well.
@SaltyCwgrl
Жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree that her sentence was warranted. She knew that what she was doing was wrong. Her unfortunate and traumatic childhood doesn't change the fact that she made a choice that had tragic consequences. It was her responsibility as a mother to protect those poor children, and she failed miserably. I also believe that the fact that those two little boys had disabilities made her choice to leave them locked in a room alone particularly heinous. Bravo Doc Grande for another excellent analysis. ✌️
@valjohnson1927
Жыл бұрын
Sad it's probably impossible to do it but it would be good idea to only subsidize safe homes that have been inspected and certified as safe
@andreasrau2161
Жыл бұрын
Happy Black Friday, Dr. Grande! I hope that you and your family had a festive Thanksgiving! As to your analysis of the Angelica Belen case, I agree with you for the most part. Angelica had a tragic past, but her own poor choices and decisions led to having four children out of wedlock at a young age, was unable to provide a safe environment for them, had been evicted from previous residences and was aware, without being an electrician, that something was wrong with the house she finally rented. Leaving a five-year-old in charge of the house while she went off to work, with no other adult present, was both careless and dangerous and locking the children in a room was an invitation to tragedy. But, as you said, she had done this before with no serious consequences, although she had been caught twice before for doing it. She counted on that sort of luck again. What I would like to know is if her IQ had been evaluated beforehand. If she had some mental disabilities, that might explain a lot, as would her performance in school. As for the slumlord that owned the property, who was a notorious slumlord who had been cited by numerous code violations regarding his properties, whatever happened to him? However, as the sole resident adult parent, she bears the brunt of responsibility for the deaths of her children. And as for the sentencing, she probably will not serve the whole term.
@PepeDeezNutz
Жыл бұрын
Black Friday? That’s racists
@leylamoody3177
Жыл бұрын
Whoa! That is such a sad story....those poor children.😢 Excellent analysis, Dr. Grande. ❤️
@karis7649
Жыл бұрын
Why can’t we give women like this a bit more help, instead of punishing them when we see them struggling - before they hit crisis points. A stupid $800/month, childcare & some foodstamps - before the fire- would’ve given this woman and all those kids a whole different world. How was she supposed to provide a good environment (money) & not leave the kids alone? And why can’t the landlord be charged for the dangerous rental ? That’s also illegal. I agree it got to a point of serious punishment -she’s ultimately responsible for awful choices -and a decade and a half in jail isn’t unreasonable. but I do think there were multiple ways this could’ve been avoided (one of them (and I know I’ll get downvoted for this) is to make sure abortions are obtainable for women in these positrons who should never have 4 kids, who repeatedly make bad decisions).
@jjhh375
Жыл бұрын
The landlord should hold responsabilty for renting a house that is not suitable for living.
@KinslayerOfDoom
Жыл бұрын
"She chose to live a chaotic life" - did she, or was she simply unable to do so due to her state of mind? It's easy to imagine ourselves dealing with problems like superhumans, however in practice how many of us would've cracked under similar pressure?
@simonw1313
Жыл бұрын
Totally agree.
@tomgabriel5150
Жыл бұрын
Agree, strongly.
@nealkelly9757
Жыл бұрын
She chose to get pregnant and have 4 children.
@simonw1313
Жыл бұрын
@@nealkelly9757 - You exaggerate the degree of rationality that actually existing humans exhibit.
@BellaLeoLicorice
Жыл бұрын
@@nealkelly9757 She chose to have sex with a loser/s who didn't help look after the children he produced.
@tallblonde1976
Жыл бұрын
She had a trauma filled childhood with no one to teach her how to be a good mother. She had children with special needs. She could not find a good paying job but tried to work anyway. The child care situation in this country is horrible. Seems like so much was against her. Yes she used bad judgement but I can't help but feel bad for her.
@melistasy
Жыл бұрын
I feel bad her kids but i don't feel bad for her. So many things happened that led up to this tradegy that should've been wake up calls for her. She also had resources she could have used to help with her childcare issues. How anyone can leave 3 young children home alone for hrs is beyond me.
@carsonsmith8607
Жыл бұрын
She had no business having kids AT ALL. Single mom, unfit as a parent, no money, no education, no husband, no house, and on top of that she had a special needs kid. Her and all of her kids should've never been born in the first place. All of them were nothing but a social problem. Hash but true. Neither of them will ever contribute anything positive to society given the circumstances they were living in.
@Aysegul_OAmusic
Жыл бұрын
Adore your analysis Dr. Grande!
@fuzzyfriendsrescuevoluntee3036
Жыл бұрын
It's hard to be a single mom. Been there. I can totally see how she'd be scared to speak up about the lights, and feel like she's backed into a corner. No, she should not have left her kids home alone. But back in the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, it wasn't uncommon. Hell, newborn babies slept in open dresser drawers up through the 1950s and we thought that was an okay thing. Mothers would leave the baby sleeping in the drawer, go out shopping, and ask the apartment neighbor to please look in on the baby if they heard a cry. That's how it was in the old days and we survived just fine. I was left home alone starting around age 7/8 in the 1970s when parents became more concerned that kids should be left alone only when they're old enough to take care of themselves and I had a little brother a few years younger, I minded him. No one thought a thing of leaving a child home alone. We entertained ourselves and knew how to behave until mother and dad came home. I think Angelica was desperate though, and she had a job in order to survive and she was living in "survival mode." She probably locked the door thinking it would keep them safe. My heart breaks for this situation.
@caitopotato5519
Жыл бұрын
Basements give me the creeps too. I lived in a house for three years and never once entered the basement there. 😂
@earlfruitbat9032
Жыл бұрын
I like your doggie!!
@CkCmilliemoo
Жыл бұрын
I think she was doing the best she could under desperate conditions. No.. she was VERY wrong leaving her children but, her upbringing had to guide her to poor choices. I hope she gets some good therapy while in prison and can get out and live a life that isn’t under desperation circumstances. Not sure this makes sense but I feel a bit sorry for this women yet heartbroken for those beautiful children.
@RawiahAlshehri
Жыл бұрын
As a mother of a child with disability and ASD, I wouldn't be able to manage if I didn't have my family's support. There are therapy sessions, appointments, home exercises and recurrent hospitalizations. It's not a job for one person.
@nhmooytis7058
Жыл бұрын
One of the worst things to happen to society has been excusing people for heinous acts because they had a womp womp bad childhood. Maybe we should sterilize them so they can’t have kids.
@nhmooytis7058
Жыл бұрын
@@RawiahAlshehri presumably she wasn’t forced to have kids.
@ebg3624
Жыл бұрын
There isn’t an appropriate “BUT” before she left her children
@nhmooytis7058
Жыл бұрын
Actually if she refused help and continued to have kids she couldn’t care for that was not ‘doing her best.’
@browniehendricks3726
Жыл бұрын
Loved your thoughts on punishment. You always help us understand the law as it pertains to human behaviour. Thanks for your hard work. Keep it up and take care.
@Junkinsally
Жыл бұрын
I would think the landlord would bear some responsibility for these deaths as well. I disagree about the length of the sentence. Angelica was a victim of her parents abuse and then dumped into the abusive foster care system. She obviously didn’t get the mental support when she was young that she needed. Her fears about the foster system were justified and she understood that using the “services” only increased the chances of her kids being taken away and put in the foster care system. Yes, she acted recklessly, however in her mind she had no other choice. I’m always ashamed of authority figures who are quick to negatively judge people for self preservation. Your a__ would lie to save your skin if in the same position. The self righteousness is disgusting from these people, the same people by the way who should have helped Angelica in the first place.
@stephjovi
Жыл бұрын
Quire horrible situation. But laws these days are so strict. In the 80s it was normal that I was home alone at 5 5 days a week. I loved the hours before the test of my family was home. At 6 I got up alone and came home alone. She didn't burn down the house she just had no option but to leave them to provide for them. She couldn't know the house catches on fire
@nyreekrikorian
Жыл бұрын
I think if that other mom got 17 months for neglectful death of one child, as you said the equivalent time of about 4.5 years would have been fair for this mom. Plus, she will live with the guilt for the rest of her life. If she were leaving her kids home alone to go out and party, I'd say yes she deserves 18 years or more in prison. But she was not! She was going to a new job she was afraid she would lose. She tried to find care for her kids while she went to work to provide for them. If she did not work, we would label her as a welfare mom. So many people in our society, who are pro life, don't give a sh*t about children's lives after they're born. A young woman who had a horrible upbringing didn't have the good decision making skills to raise these poor children by herself. I hope she gets the mental health support in prison and heals and has a peaceful and meaningful life afterwards. RIP angel children 💔
@brookiegremlin6660
Жыл бұрын
She was a welfare mom and earned that label. This is a mother of five children with no husband who can't hire a babysitter when she goes to work a mere three-hour shift. I am pro-life and proud of that. I have no sympathy for this "mom." Her disgusting lifestyle didn't magically happen to her, it happened because of her. A woman who was "doing her best" might decide to abstain from having sex (which creates babies) and instead focus on gaining a skill set and a decent place to live. And I seriously doubt this self-centered self-absorbed woman feels an ounce of guilt for murdering her children. She probably thinks it was somehow the fault of other people and that she is the true victim.
@maryfrancesbeckerhaggerty5353
Жыл бұрын
You said this perfectly.
@waynejohnson1786
Жыл бұрын
You say people who are pro-life don’t care about children once they’re born but you’re also saying 4.5 years is an adequate punishment for a woman responsible for the deaths of her three children? We actually care about children but apparently you don’t because you’re okay with setting a precedent that neglectful mothers who cause the deaths of their children will get a slap on the wrist. We shouldn’t feel bad for her, there’s absolutely no reason she should’ve left those children home alone. I don’t care about her job, her number one responsibility wasn’t her job, it was her kids. They would’ve been better off in foster care than with her...
@cbl3628
Жыл бұрын
In this case isn't there some justice when a landlord won't upgrade? Sounds very obvious that Angelica couldn't keep up! Maybe I'm missing something.
@maxshea4762
Жыл бұрын
OMG, that's a heartbreaking story!
@michaelmoorrees3585
Жыл бұрын
A word on the electrical issues. Its easy for an amateur to mistakenly wire a circuit, from the electrical panel to 240V, instead of the intended 120V. Or it could have been done deliberately. The house could have originally had a gas stove, but the owner replaced with an electrical one requiring a 240V circuit. Instead of adding a new circuit, he just rewired an existing one from 120V to 240V. That can simply be done by moving that circuit's neutral at the electrical panel to a spare breaker, of opposite phase. It also explains the light popping, if it was on that same circuit. Its a very easy and cost saving corner to cut.
@nimsa2000
Жыл бұрын
Hello 👋 good Dr. Grande . Another excellent analysis with humor 😀 about the ghost. But it's a really sad 😟 case. Thank you
@buttercatpaws9674
Жыл бұрын
Just thank you Doc. For your continued dedication to real life and real human stories. Love ya as always 🐈❤️
@theberserkturtle
Жыл бұрын
So so tragic.. it sounds like she was trying... had gotten a job, tried to find a sitter for her children. I imagine its quite difficult to watch after 3 children especially children with health issues. And the availability of childcare in this country is ABYSMAL! There actually may not be such a thing as extremely early morning or very late childcare, which makes it very hard to get by as a worker.
@btetschner
Жыл бұрын
There is no way a person should be expected to schedule their life around the possibility that a fire will suddenly break out in their house. I can understand the neglect charge, but the government doesn't prevent slumlords from creating an unexpectedly unsafe environment. The deaths can be attributed to predatory practices of the American housing system. The social care system can't say that she was confirmed to be an unsuitable mother because then they should have taken her children away, which they didn't. Technically, since they didn't do their job and they are the overseers of children in the government, they should be put on trial. I don't like how society puts her in a position to fail, then claims it is 100% her fault for being in that position.
@marshawerner7882
Жыл бұрын
Your viewpoint of the worst-case scenario being the expectation for a reckless act and those being fortunate when that does not happen is particularly valid and insightful. I hope you do not mind if I borrow...
@pembrokelove
Жыл бұрын
I thought for sure this was going to be Cindy White. Please do her! I’ve seen so much conflicting information on that case!
@donnaroberts9119
Жыл бұрын
What a perfect storm all the way around.
@AVBNOW23
Жыл бұрын
So sad! Single parenting is overwhelming.
@hallievanoutryve3109
Жыл бұрын
locking 3 kids in a room with no bathroom, food, water, for an entire work shift, it is unimaginable.
@RebeccaLynnMusic
Жыл бұрын
This poor young woman. Absolutely horrific and tragic.
@skunkrat01
Жыл бұрын
Omg the toys under the window and to get attention completely broke my heart
@lisanelke9726
Жыл бұрын
Mine too 🥺💔
@74357175
Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised this doesn't occur more often 😕
@jamesoncross7494
Жыл бұрын
What exactly started the fire? Shouldn't the Landlord go to jail too? He must have known how bad the wiring was. I feel he was just as culpable as the mother was.
@notsobasicbecki658
Жыл бұрын
Those poor babies. No words.
@dal8716
Жыл бұрын
Dr. Grande would you consider looking at the parents of Jan Broberg? Netflix did a documentary about her called Abducted in Plain Sight. She is an actress who was kidnapped twice as a child by a family friend. Thank you!
@matthew.m.stevick
Жыл бұрын
Dr. Grande loves ❤ New Jersey
@Missingonesmatter
Жыл бұрын
This one was really hard for me to listen to. I was rocking my two year old to sleep. I felt such a lump in my throat, thinking about how scared those babies must have been with the fire, even more so when you described them putting toys in the corner trying to get out. I had a friend in high school who had an accident involving a fire and things with fire are touchy with me. Not much bothers me, but, this one got me.
@1957Dirogo
Жыл бұрын
There was no intent. No malice. The young woman was overwhelmed with 4 kids. No money, no parents and a government more interested in funding illegal aliens than providing adequate assistance for living expenses. I have first hand experience with this. Her life was a ticking time bomb. The punishment was despicable. In the UK women do not go to prison for infanticide... Mental illness is assumed...and the death of her children was punishment enough. She was treated worse than most rapists and murderers in NYC. There are laws against excessive punishment. Of course, men have no idea how difficult it is to raise even one child on your own.
@Tropicalfrooploops
Жыл бұрын
Intent doesn’t really matter, would it be any different if she was overwhelmed and killed them to rid herself of responsibility? Not really, still three people died. At some point you have to take responsibility for the choices you make.
@hollyw9566
Жыл бұрын
How much better would it be if she had not had those children in the first place? She probably wanted and needed someone to love her. That's often why young women in terrible poverty and fairly hopeless circumstances manage to get pregnant, thus making their situations impossible. If I could be ruler of the world birth control would be mandatory from the age of possibility of conception, for both boys and girls, and no one should be allowed to have a child until they have passed required courses, cared for children in a monitored setting, and passed required tests for a license. Society and all its members would benefit enormously from this law.
@rominahorn427
Жыл бұрын
Very, very sad story😢I am also sorry for Angelika !
@Soulvale88
Жыл бұрын
PLEASE DO A PROFILE ON JASON DAVID FRANK. He was the Green /White Ranger on the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers who tragically lost his battle with Mental Illness November 19th 2022. Guy was a childhood hero for thousands of us. PLEASE I think you are the only channel that could examine him with with respect he deserves. Please like if you agree so Dr Grande Notices.
@DottieMinerva
Жыл бұрын
Jeez she had next to no options once she had kids. Sad case.
@charlesgerety1403
Жыл бұрын
Considering her record of recklessness and being corrected on yet she continued a path of danger for her children. 18 years is appropriate
@carnifaxx
Жыл бұрын
I think it should be also discussed, if there was any fault on the side of social workers who left the children with her when she a) repeatedly failed to not leave them alone; b) had a history of probably not being a very mentally stable person. She certainly didn't leave them unattended only the two (or three, counting the fatal one) reported cases...
@judylapointe3507
Жыл бұрын
So by your reasoning someone with a DWI should go to jail for the same amount of time as a drunk driver who killed someone, I would be good with that I guess but it doesn't happen. You say services were available to her. Did you ever try to get those services? Those social workers want people off their rolls no matter what. My daughter was married to a man who abused her and when she left, she tried to get help. What a joke that was. She would fill out paperwork, turn it in and on the very last day they would claim they never got it, or they needed something else, but it was too late, and she had to reapply and then in the next 30 days they would pull that crap again. Twice I myself turned her paperwork in, made them give me a receipt and they still tried to claim they never got it.
@nortonvilledrive3279
14 күн бұрын
I don’t know where the fathers were and why the court didn’t think they were responsible
@GrumpyCat-mw5xl
Жыл бұрын
You need a license to drive but anyone can create life. Creating life is Possibly the greatest responsibility any human has.
@garyjust.johnson1436
Жыл бұрын
Hi Dr. Todd!
@Viscool8332
Жыл бұрын
Poor lady. It seems her situation was turning around and then the fire happened.
@Andreamom001
Жыл бұрын
Yes, but it’s really unwise to leave a handful of tiny kids home alone. Surely she knew that.
@annemarievanleeuwen9959
Жыл бұрын
No not poor lady b shit u don't lock 3 young children up and go to work OK I was caught in a house fire my gas bottle exploded only just survived so I know what those poor children endured and how they died so that shit mother should be charged with capital murder go figure ........ .
@SC-ec9fx
Жыл бұрын
Tragic. I think people with little to no means need to think hard of their future if it ends up as kids instead of lust. Great point of wreckless actions could carry the worst case scenario.
@Dharmarenee
Жыл бұрын
That was a harsh sentence.
@chel3SEY
Жыл бұрын
I propose the following topic for a future episode: Analyzing Dr Todd Grande. A self-analysis.
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