Nobody hates Supernatural more than Supernatural fans😳
@lillyrey5727
3 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@lillyrey5727
3 жыл бұрын
As far as I'm concerned the show wrapped on episode 18.🙃
@unknownguest4575
3 жыл бұрын
I do kinda think that supernatural might have had a better finale if it just didnt have one
@RenTheBarbarian
3 жыл бұрын
You’re so right about the acting. It was like Sam and Dean were replaced with pod people.
@michellep4296
3 жыл бұрын
YES It was like watching strangers.
@actnormal3413
3 жыл бұрын
the spn finale felt like a finale you would get for a show thats suddenly been cancelled and they needed to get something out there that wraps it up. the love just didnt feel like it was really there anymore, felt like everybody just wanted to go home 😞
@booisl33t
3 жыл бұрын
I had a lot of fun laughing at the absurdity of many parts of the episode. Especially Sam making depression eggs after Dean dies.
@jennilocke
3 жыл бұрын
I just woke up from am accidental 2 hour nap so forgive me for rambling a bit 😅 I really hated the finale. It completely undid all the character development of the show. They set up Dean getting his happy ending. He went from expecting to die on a hunt to wanting to retire. It was such a huge letdown. They spent so much time setting up Dean getting over his anger issues, being more than Sam's brother, being more than the soldier his father raised him to be. It was so obviously a return to the way things were in season 1; Dean is just comedic relief half the time, and he spends all his time in heaven basically waiting for Sam, giving the impression that Sam is all his life should be about. Which is what his awful dad made him believe. That his only purpose is to be a protector to Sam, be a parent to Sam, etc etc etc. Compare season 1 Dean with Dean praying to Cas in purgatory in The Trap. Or the Dean that forgives Jack. Or the Dean that told Chuck, who assumed Dean was about to kill him, "See, that's not who I am." The Dean in the finale is season 1 Dean. The erasure of Eileen was really horrible. They didn't even need to have Shoshannah Stern on set, they could've edited her into those family photos. They could've easily done what you suggested, have Sam and Dean pull up to the beach and join Jack and Cas. I'm a diehard Destiel shipper and even I would've been fine with that. No dialog, maybe Cas just gives a little nod or a shoulder pat and we could've filled in the rest as we saw fit. They made the finale all about Sam and Dean as if the show was STILL only about two brothers, but over the course of 15 seasons it had evolved so far beyond that. It became about Sam and Dean and Cas and Jack, free will, finding strength in others, found family, that kind of thing. But the finale made it about two brothers again, completely destroying YEARS of character development. But that's just my opinion 😁
@adoptdontshoppets
3 жыл бұрын
Well, you have a great opinion 👍
@WildeMermaid
3 жыл бұрын
All of this! I agree with everything you said completely!
@cynthiaholmes5124
3 жыл бұрын
Yes so true unfortunately 😬😥😢😭
@tiffanypersaud3518
10 ай бұрын
Couldn’t have said it better myself❤.
@redcowcat8705
3 жыл бұрын
That's why I feel like it was a parody episode. Not a real episode.
@kleubazinga6865
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you on most of the arguments especially the technical ones that maybe people that don't really know how things work bts can't see, however I must disagree with the decision to make Dean die and especially like that. I won't even talk about the plot nonsense or the ships or anything like that, but why would they decide to kill the most beloved character by accident with absolutely no reason? Realism is not a good justification for me since it was established the previous ep. that Dean is basically God's step-dad. Crowley and Rowena that were villains got a meaningful death why not Dean? They literally made his worst nightmare come true. He died like he thought he would in his darkest hour and even worse, Sam quit hunting and got his white picked fence life confirming (again after season 8) that his only obstacle for happiness was Dean and his clinginess. Maybe they didn't even think about it this way but that's what we got. So I do blame Dabb and Singer and the executives and whatever decided it was a good idea. Sorry for the long post, I have feelings about this. I love all your videos and if it wasn't clear this is not a criticism to your opinions, just my thoughts.
@dianamijde5543
3 жыл бұрын
the beach comment made me tear up, thats the ending we should of got
@jcksparrowfan
3 жыл бұрын
This episode felt very....bipolar. Really, it's pacing really was messy, you're right. The actors felt tired and I still don't like how the whole "family don't end in blood" was kind of scrapped to be "just family" when the show hasn't been solely about Sam and Dean and their unhealthy codependency since season 5 ended. After Kripke left, the whole point of the show was about "found family" and it should have ended with that message. For a 15 year show, it should have stuck the landing but it slipped and fell in a ditch and broke it's ankle. Still alive, but crippled.
@babadoudidadouda
3 жыл бұрын
100% agree. And, to show that, they didn't need to do much: a few mentions of the other characters by Sam and Dean, some pictures of them in Sam's home, a phone call... Plenty of ways to go around COVID's restrictions. I'm rewatching the show because I don't want the end to sour everything else I loved and still love about it, but I won't watch the final episode this time, I just can't.
@dawnmayflower4422
3 жыл бұрын
@@babadoudidadouda Same. I wanted to see the greatness in it and feel the love again: I’m up to 6x03 now and I won’t watch the finale again when I get to s15. I know the first 5 seasons are the best - we all do - but there are good aspects about the other 10 as well.
@NiKaTaru
3 жыл бұрын
thank you sooo much for the beach - because honestly - they let Dean talk about heading to a beach if they have free time since season 11 - so I really missed that beach - and Castiel - any reaction to him (even without a word) from Dean (I mean Misha had been on the show for over 12 years) and it would be great (same for Jack but he at least was in 15x19 - but it wouldn't be any trouble to get him in 15x20 too) - otherwise - I also think it has its good and bad moments ~ so still am in the rewatch of SPN ^_^
@dylancole1910
3 жыл бұрын
I'm on the " he never should have died he deserved to have a life outside of hunting and killing him in the last episode threw away 15 seasons worth of character development" train. But yeah, I also agree that if they were going to do that no matter what, the death seemed horribly off. I think that's really spot on. As much as I hate to admit, I did kind of wonder why, if it had gone all the way through, didn't I see it coming through. Even though Dean spent a really long time with his emotional goodbye-which I partly hated because he made it sound like Cas and Jack and Bobby and everyone else in their life didn't matter in the end ( which is probably not what they were trying to sag but that's what I got out of it so 🤷🏻♂️); the death scene itself seemed rushed and not all that genuine. Or, that could just be me.
@filippa1434
3 жыл бұрын
After the bobby scene telling Dean Cas is alive, I really wanted a *whoosh* "Hello Dean". You wouldn't even need to show Cas. Just a voice clip would be enough to know they reunited in heaven. Indead of quarantining the vampire girl nobody even remembers they should have gotten at least Misha on the show
@adoptdontshoppets
3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love your “TOES IN THE SAND” ending. THAT is what they deserved, not two lonely brothers standing alone on a bridge. Agree pretty much with everything you said, except on the dialogue for Dean’s time in heaven being the same. I know that COVID meant we couldn’t have the roadhouse party with all of Dean’s friends, but that doesn’t mean that Bobby only had to refer to Rufus and Dean’s parents. Just a line saying something like “a bunch of your friends, like Ellen, Jo, Charlie and Kevin, are going to want to throw you a party now that you are here. They’ve missed you.” That would have gone a long way to feeling like “family don’t end with blood” was not thrown away. I am a big Jensen stan, yet thank you for saying that you felt the heaven scene felt a little flat from him. You can imagine when I said that in my stan Twitter bubble, it didn’t go over well. I know COVID meant that there couldn’t be a hug between Bobby and Dean and they had to sit apart, but there still could’ve been more than a smirk at the mention of Cas. I like your perspective that it may have been partially because he was shielding himself from some of the emotion of these final scenes (which yes was done on last day of filming). Oh...and I really didn’t want a first beer with John story, neglectful bastard.
@marydodge9844
3 жыл бұрын
I typically agree with you 98-100% of the time and this is no exception. (I really do like your beach version of these ending - that may become head cannon for me!) What pains me the most about the whole thing is that I can't believe Jared & Jensen were totally thrilled with it either, and I cannot imagine devoting 15 years of your life to a show and then getting an ending you don't absolutely love. I actually feel worse for them than I do for us as disappointed fans.
@kumaken
3 жыл бұрын
I love this video because you acknowledged that the virus 🦠 heavily impacted what the show could do, objectively they should have waited, if you ignore the fact they couldn’t wait because it’s a product type reasons
@kaged1productions
3 жыл бұрын
You hit so man points on why I didn't like the episode. It is totally okay not to hate the episode. I know plenty of people who enjoyed it. It's the people hailing it as the best episode I don't understand. I thought it was just my bias that had me not liking it until recently when I discussed it with someone who was not in my faction of the fandom, who also did not like it. I wish I had recorded my many rants my husband has heard about why it felt so wrong. The multiple montages drove me up the wall. Montages are used in TV and cinema to speed up the passage of time while still giving detail as to events that are occurring, and it's fine to use them, unless you have an episode that is already shorter than the rest and you use, what was it, four of them? And the double Carry On was just...unnecessary. if they wanted to use both they could have placed the original at the beginning and the cover at the end. Something. My husband and I had discussed the fact that Sam obviously had to be the one to live (because we knew Castiel wouldn't let Dean stay dead and Dean couldn't function without the other two) previous to the finale, so I had prepared myself to watch my favorite characters die, but the actual death scene was...not great? Like you said, the severity of the wound was not made obvious and it 100% felt like Dean giving up (the excessive amount of time that Dean was dying certainly didn't help since there was plenty time to call an ambulance) which felt like a slap in the face to Castiel, who had sacrificed himself six months (not 5 years like was said) prior so that Dean could live. It felt like the "giving the (borderline) suicidal character peace through death" trope, however, that is mostly my bias and how I saw the character. It just felt problematic. I also didn't hate that it was a random hunt, it just could've been done way better. All in all, the concept wasn't awful but the execution left much to be desired. I watched the episode when it premired and honestly, I have not watched it since. It was not the way to end a 15 year show. Obviously, with production costs and what not, they had to wrap up as quick as possible while adhering to covid restrictions, but it honestly felt rushed and like they had given up and moved on already and I think that is what hurt the most. I have a few other issues with the open plot holes but I've ranted long enough in your comment section. Thank you for another great video and putting your opinions out there. That took a lot of courage in this fandom. Can't wait for your next one! Ps: you made me giggle with the "towel on the rack" comment and I think that is the first time I've been okay with Dean's death since the episode aired, so thank you for that.
@anonymwlw
3 жыл бұрын
While I do hate the episode, I think you're right about a lot of points, especially about Dabb. The plot in and of itself was fine, I didn't like Dean dying but I think I would have been okay with it if it felt more idk meaningful I guess? Or if the rest of the episode had been better. It's just that as a whole, the episode felt really hollow. The beats were technically met, but there wasn't much emotion in there for me. Dean's death felt like it took ages, there were a thousand montages but not a lot happened. Sure, a lot of it is due to covid - seeing more characters in heaven might have helped. Also, call me a crazy shipper but I do take issue with the fact that we didn't see Cas again. Even if Misha didn't/didn't want to quarantine (which is debatable, considering last summer he talked about going back to filming) they could have done something. We could have heard his voice off screen or seen someone sitting in the impala or something. Instead, they cut out most of the lines even mentioning him in the script. (Which is also why I wouldn't blame Dabb for that - he clearly tried to put him in there, and who knows what earlier script drafts looked like!)
@hisgirlfriday28
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it kills me that they had no plans of bringing Misha back for the finale. I remember in an interview Jensen did after everything aired he mentioned that the end started to hit him with Misha's last scene -the confession/empty scene. So they knew then that Misha wasn't coming back. I wish they would have given him a small part. He was in every finale since he was introduced.
@distudio13
3 жыл бұрын
I honestly have tried so hard to find any detail to justify 15x20’s existence over the last 5 months. However, there is nothing presented in the episode that tells me it is any different from what Chuck and Becky argue about in 15x4. Yet, every production/media outlet is trying to say that it is different? I genuinely just cannot make any sense out of it. I could rant, and have ranted to myself, over it time and time again. But, it really just comes down to that, we got Chuck’s ending trying to pass as a non-Chuck ending for reasons? I have Thought about so many things to say to make this comment far too long, but I will add that I cannot watch that scene you played of Dean talking about the beach and not start crying. After eveything this show has put him through that is the least they could have done for him!!
@zhulimoon46
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you 90%. I only think that they should have first make Dean meet Cass by Cass saying "Hello Dean." behind Dean. And then Sam comes and they hug. Then, they suddenly teleport to a beach or something and we see Jack (he says "Hi" with his cute smile), then all of them sit and put their toes in sand and all.
@KaylaChan90
3 жыл бұрын
First of all, I love your idea of how it could have ended, and I'd have been happy too I think For me, and some of this DOES match your stuff. it's not Dean dying, to me that was hinted forever (and lots of people had figured it out tbh) It's how it was done how it was almost anticlimatic considering what's after.... I.... whatever the HELL is missing in the Omitted (all have different opinions on what that could be but I truly believe it WAS Dean in Heaven relaxing. Obviously with the fact that one VERY IMPORTANT actor was in Vancover... in as a time as you said was only allowed for under very strict work conditions.) I think it would have cleared it up... or helped... (Also! the time thing, one thing in script or something says it was 5/6 months. Jared was one that said 5 years, but not exactly, a fan asked if it was that long, and he said 'sure' or whatever in a way that's like "Yeah, if you want it to be.") ALSO FUCK ABLEISM AND WHOEVER DECIDED TO ERASE EILEEN. Look I know Dabb wrong this script.... but everything I know about stories and writing them is that YOU DON'T BRING BACK A LOVE INTEREST FROM THE DEAD! SHOW THEM DATE! PARRALEL THEM TO THE OTEHR MAIN COUPLE! AND THEN REPLACE HER! Sure some thing you can blame a on BS, but the CW was (Dabb or someone on the team talked about this before covid shut them down even) was making them do rewrites after rewrites. But either way Eileen not there was either Ableism, or to erase Destiel parallels. Anything Dabb 'wrote' that didn't fit, was someone higher up changing it.
@a.3032
3 жыл бұрын
@hisgirlfriday28
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Bob. It took guts to put your opinion out there. There's been nothing but fighting about it on all platforms. I agree with all your points. And I absolutely love your ending!
@leerodriguez9564
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for putting into words everything I was thinking...I kept waiting for the beach scene and for Cass and Eileen to make an appearance :( I agree I actually dont mind that it's a mundane death and its mainly focused on the brothers... I like the back to basics feel of the episode after literally fighting God. But the beach....and Jack...and the tiny umbrellas...and and... Hawaiian shirts :(
@tiffanypersaud3518
2 жыл бұрын
They would finally get their toes in the sand, with matching Hawaiian shirts.
@a.3032
3 жыл бұрын
I mean the director was Singer, so I'm not surprised this is what we got
@canoechild1828
3 жыл бұрын
I agree with the sense of time between the defeat of Chuck and the weekly case felt wrong they should have stuck "6 Months Later" caption at the beginning of the montage, at least it would have given the audience a heads up on time passing, Saying that I am stilled p!$$ed off that we where baited for 11 seasons with Destiel without any closure.
@NotToLateToChange
3 жыл бұрын
To me, Jensen did an amazing job acting (especially his death scene), because it just made more sense that Dean was not processing his own death yet. And him reuniting with Sam wouldn't be as emotional for him because it was probably 40mins. Dean has a habit of emotionally shutting down when he is overwhelmed. (But you are totally right in that they shouldn't have put such an emotional scene on the last day). And I hate using covid as an excuse, the ppl in charge should had been more selective on who they brought on set (they could have gave us less random vampires/ect. and more characters that fans would want a proper send of). And also that ending shot where everyone was on the bridge, how is that meeting covid restrictions?? (I don't mean to come off as rude. I'm not trying to be but the whole thing puzzles me.) It sucks they couldn't have that original ending because Dean was such a ppl person, and just seeing ppl he cared about would have been a great way to bring at least some closure for him. And would have made the ending less empty.
@BobWessSPN
3 жыл бұрын
True. At least for cast and covid restrictions, the number of people on that bridge is most likely why they had to limit actors. It takes an army to film, so you have to cut numbers where possible, all covid test, and mask up. Random vamps in the masks likely played by body doubles and actors that already quarantined, and Jenny is a Vancouver native who doesn't need to be housed/paid for quarantine. But I agree it would have been nice to see even a few faces. Dabbs post covid script even called for reactions to Dean's death from Jody/girls, Eileen, and Rowena. I would have loved to see at least that.
@NotToLateToChange
3 жыл бұрын
@@BobWessSPN thank you for clearing that up, I never thought of that with the masks. And I don't blame the crew/cast they did the best they could with what they were given. Honestly out of everyone im glad they chose Bobby. While I wish i could say that this changes my mind about the episode, it doesn't, I still really hate it. But I'm starting to understand what went wrong. Also Eileen being at the funeral would have been great for Sam because he wouldn't have had to go through all that alone 😢.
@adoptdontshoppets
3 жыл бұрын
@@BobWessSPN yes, it would have been so easy for Sam to call or video talk with Jody, Donna and Garth. The actors then wouldn’t have had to quarantine and it wouldn’t be as sad as Sam shutting down and not reaching out to them, which while maybe an in character response from Sam, is just disrespectful to Dean, who was loved by many.
@E2010Gency
3 жыл бұрын
I never noticed about the music in the episode but now that you've pointed it out it has me laughing so much! I agree with your description of the ending with them on the beach (I'd prefer it to be on earth rather than in heaven!). Then I'd add an epilogue after that of Sam and Dean finally living separately but still playing a big role in each other's lives. Do some kind of throwback to the first scene in 1x01 as one of them moves away or something like that, and then it would finish with the central codependency of the brothers being resolved. Would love to see the non covid finale whatever that was going to be.
@Kleineganz
3 жыл бұрын
You're not alone! You hit the nail on the head here, especially with the pacing. That was so jarring to me. It made all the different beats feel copy/pasted together (if that makes sense?). The pacing was jarring. The final case definitely took up too much time, and Dean's death wasn't handled well. I did love the pie-in-the-face scene, but I get your point that it was unnecessary. I love your thoughts on how you'd have ended the heaven scene. I've personally imagined a simple off-camera "Hello, Dean" from Castiel would have vastly improved the episode as well. Also, for me episode 19 really felt like a finale (esp with the boys driving off into the sunset). Add in Kansas singing Carry On to that sequence, and I could forever skip episode 20.
@brihill23
3 жыл бұрын
I like to think of it less exact and more ambiguous. After Chuck they keep hunting, down the road Dean dies on a hunt (after successfully killing the monsters i might add) sam continues hunting for a time, then settles down and has a family, eventually they meet back up in heaven with cass and Jack and everyone else
@HasnaaAlaa
3 жыл бұрын
The carry on script says six months passed, the 5 years rumor was from a m&g with jared but the fan was assuming things, jared didn't really say that, so it's six months, still crappy for me that dean only got six months of living free, loved your analysis, i don't think I'll ever come around on this episode, i will just keep ignoring it, blurry wife annoys the hell out of me, this show just couldn't take a stand on anything.
@foxymoon7860
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it was just a mess. Sam's getting a blurry wife instead of Elieen? I mean... what the hell was that? Elieen was a well established character with agency, she was also a great representation. Erasing her like that to give Sam a blurry wife felt like... like it was so bad. Albeist and sexist at once. SPN never stops disappointing me really.
@danielleb5016
3 жыл бұрын
I would have loved the ending you suggested that you would do. I think a lot of people would have been satisfied with that. The only thing I disagree with in this video is that the choice NOT to do something along those lines was somehow a small oversite. It would have been so easy for them to just give us our fave characters on a beach in that last shot as you suggest, and yet for some reason that didn't happen. That is what has angered so many fans. A slight change here or there would have made all the difference, and they easily could have done it even with Covid. Anyway, I agree with a lot of your points. I'm just angry that they did the story such a disservice.
@dylancole1910
3 жыл бұрын
*I'm not Crazy* I agree with you on Dean having no emotion over anything in the heaven scene, it really kind of creeped me out a little. Didn't have a problem with the music, my only issue there was not getting to hear the original in the end. Not that I didn't enjoy NEONI, they are incredibly talented and their voices are beautiful, but it just didn't have the right kind of significance for me at all.
@dylancole1910
3 жыл бұрын
I liked the pie fest part, but I agree that it would have been better to show the time passing instead of trying to make it look like a filler. I wanted to see the time in between, it felt so rushed and the fact that Jensen was even confused kind of made me feel like they didn't even discuss time passage with either of them. I felt like they just didn't care about the details at all and was just trying to make the plot move along and get to the end, which is so unlike the way they usually do things. Also, I like your idea of the finale. I don't even need some huge happy reunion, just seeing Jack and Cas there would have made me more satisfied and I could continue it as I see fit through fanfiction instead of outright fixing everything. I don't even need the beach, I was fine with the location, it was a beautiful area, but all I wanted was to see Jack and Cas. Maybe have Dean or Sam acknowledge Cas' sacrifice to his face. And that's it. Nothing else. If Dean HAS to die, fine, but that was the shittiest heaven scene ever.
@lacyharton6577
2 жыл бұрын
I don't know if I'm the only one of this opinion, but I actually liked the pie scene for one reason. To me, it demonstrated that Dean was trying to get back to the things he enjoyed. While Sam was busy scouring the net for a case, Dean was just trying to find something he would like to do with his little brother. He just wanted a moment of normalcy without the drama of the family business. To me, that fit his character for many reasons. Partially because he's been forced into so many catastrophic situations so many times, and partially because he did start embracing the things that Cass said to him before he died. That he's not just a weapon. Since he always equated being a hunter with being a killer/soldier, it was nice to have the slice of life moment. As for Dean's lack of emotional reaction, I think a lot of that was down to Jensen not liking the finale, either. He never said what it was about it he didn't like, but he didn't hide the fact that he wasn't comfortable with it. He just never went into detail, I'm assuming because he wasn't allowed to. I think his personal feelings got in the way, and I can't really blame him. He devoted a decade and a half to this show, and he's human. Hurt feelings have a huge impact on things.
@letzi7660
3 жыл бұрын
I almost didn't watch this because i really really can't watch this episode again and, as someone who has worked in the industry, i know all the behind the scene scuffles that can happen, but I still can't hear a single excuse as to why this episode is bearable for some people because I was so, so disappointed by it - like you said, expectations were high. I just plain hate it and I don't want to hear it usually. BUT! I like your takes on the show even though i don't agree on everything you say, I truly enjoy your takes! I'm glad I took a shot at this video :D That said, it's been said/speculated (not sure it has been somewhat confirmed by Jensen Ackles?) about what you said about the acting, Jensen apparently hated the script from the moment he read it and it took talking it through with four or five people for him to go "okay, maybe i'm not seeing things clearly". I would think that wouldn't help with acting it out whole-heartedly. You posted this in april so I guess maybe you saw the whole 'redacted script' thing going around, apparently there was a lot more material that was taken out, which is a shame imo. I would have loved to at least see what was planned at first. But I mean, even in shows where the first draft is barely changed, we know that there's new drafts often well into filming, so I guess we'll never know! And lol, thank you so much for the rant about the blurry wife x) And thanks so much for sharing! I suscribed and can't wait to follow you on this crazy journey!
@gemqueen1866
3 жыл бұрын
yes, Jensen was not at all happy with the script. So much so he spoke to Eric Kripke about it to get his opinion and perspective.
@gemqueen1866
3 жыл бұрын
I've come across your reviews literally just yesterday and decided to see what you have to say here. I felt the pain of the loss of the character Dean in the final episode, moreso because I felt they did him dirty in not letting him have some kind of life after defeating Chuck. The scene in the barn and him being impaled on that rebar was horrible. But for realism as you say, if it had pierced him all the way through it would have been more 'realistic' and given a sense of urgency, because Sam didn't seem to acknowledge how bad things were. The showing of the original draft script of that scene was more credible and would have made the interaction between the two realistic. Again with the heavy emotional toll of knowing they were filming the final episode of the final season, you can understand why the actors were less than engaged during some of the scenes and the way they seemed 'checked out', and there was no way to tell the time frame of what had happened to where they were at this stage. I loved watching SPN, there was great ones, some hits and some misses. But this one though it hit in the feels, they really could have done so much better for a show that ran for 15 seasons!
@zhulimoon46
3 жыл бұрын
OH GOD. NOT THE FINALE ANALYSIS.
@lichenlink465
3 жыл бұрын
Since this video was released I’ve been trying to sort out how to explain my feelings regarding this episode, because I did not enjoy it. I’ve concluded the reason why is that it was completely and utterly unnecessary. 15x20 provided little to nothing that we, the audience, didn’t already know and what it did provide was either unnecessary or could have been squeezed into the end scene with Jack in 15x19. See below: Things we already knew prior to 15x20: -> That Jack is going to make sure his adoptive family go to Heaven when they die (I mean did anyone seriously think he wouldn’t?) -> Time in Heaven works differently to time on earth (you can’t live in the same friggin day for eternity without something screwy going on) -> That monster encounters for the Winchesters would decrease dramatically now that God isn’t interfering with things (see end of 15x19) Things Jack could have mentioned in is his goodbye at the end of 15x19: -> That’s he’s going to fix heaven (dude has a lot of time on his hands if he’s not going to mess with Earth & the Winchesters - he has to have something to do) -> That he’s going to bring back Castiel from the empty (bringing this up here would probably have given us a better reaction from Dean too) Things we didn’t need to know: -> How Sam & Dean use their new found free will and how they ultimately die. This last one is the big one. 15x19 was an ending - it rapped up the major plot of the season and saw the beginning of a new chapter in the lives of the Winchesters (Life fricken carries on! Now with added bonus of Free Will!), but 15x20 was a EULOGY that forced the story & characters to fold back in on themselves - 10 fricken years! - into the past for a pathetic attempt at theme continuity with the original 5 seasons of the show. 10 years has seen the themes and focus of the show changed a lot from back then at this last episode basically just threw it all out the window. On top of that it forced an end game on the characters and the audience where it could have left things open ended for everyone to decide how they believed things would have gone from there. Did the world learn nothing from the god awful Harry Potter epilogue? 15x20 from what I understand was originally meant to have a bunch of old characters from previous seasons making appearances in Heaven as a farewell ‘fan service’ kind of thing. COVID however, royally effed that up. Though let me be clear, I don’t think the original version would have been better - because let’s face it the whole episode wouldn’t have been about partying in Heaven it would still have included all the bad forced endgame of what we did get. Rather, this fan service ending idea in and of itself was a bad idea. Epilogues in general are a bad idea - they lock a story (an already completed story!) into a definitive future that leaves little room for interpretation or expansion. I don’t know about anyone else, but if they’d left the series at 15x19 and then came back after COVID to make single episode or short movie additions to the series - I would have come back and spent my money on them (and based on the interviews and actions of the cast post series wrap they would have absolutely been willing to come back and do more). Now though, after 15x20, I’m just trying to get my unhappiness and disappointment over how things ended out so I can move on and forget Supernatural ever existed.
@thewalkingcat5542
3 жыл бұрын
I always enjoy to hear your opinion. The beach is a great idea 😍 And I would have wanted a huge funeral for Dean, a mention of time (5 years later or whatever), more clips from after Chuck and from after Dean's death. And a mention of Cas 😥 But for me the episode was not horrible, just that the show ended is still horrible 😔🤗
@ang3lf4ce00
3 жыл бұрын
even if you take out destiel and the lack of cas, this episode was still bad. -the acting was off. no hate to jared or jensen, they're both talented, but something about it was just off. it almost felt like they just wanted to be done. can't say i blame them, they've been doing this for 15 years and they were away from their characters for a few months bc of the pandemic, but the scenes that were supposed to hit hard just fell flat. -i understand that bc of the pandemic certain actors couldn't come, but i really think some prioritizing needed to happen. no one needed jenny the vampire (and i know I said "setting aside the lack of cas", but given what misha has said about previous versions of the script, it's likely that he was never meant to be there, even before they had to make changes due to covid, and that really kills the whole "family don't end in blood" message. also several of the other actors have said that they were never asked to come back, so...) -no one needed two versions of carry on. pick one or the other y'all. -sam's wig. low-hanging fruit i know, but. come on. -if dean winchester really HAD to die, i would have preferred seeing him go out taking down chuck. the way he died was just so lame. -there was absolutely no reason that sam's wife couldn't have been eileen. even if the actress couldn't be there, there are multiple ways they could've indicated that it was eileen. there was no reason to just pretend she didn't exist. absolutely none.
@mystmagyk3101
3 жыл бұрын
While I agree with some of your points, and I loved the episode in general, for me the biggest let down was that in a 41 minute episode, 12 mins were spent on montages. First the Ordinary Man, then Brothers In Arms, and finally the 2 renditions of Wayward Sons. I'n not saying they shouldn't have had them, but not for that long. Cut at least a couple of them down. Apart from that the only things I really missed, were 1/ a mention of at least a couple of the regulars, Jodie, Donna, Alt Charlie or Alt Bobby 2/ something to let us know that a significant amount of time had passed between Inherit The Earth and this episode, 6 months or a year.
@foxymoon7860
3 жыл бұрын
The finale episode seemed like as if it was written bad on purpose. SPOILERS Dean dies in a very absurd way like that, after finally getting Free Will? They literally butchered the purpose of their own show. Chuck always wanted Dean to die young in a hunt, and Dean died exactly like that. He never got to age and die old like Sam. Why did they even give Dean this sort of ending after Chuck got defeated is honestly beyond me. And they didn't give him a proper burial? Don't come up with a Covid excuse here because it's just so stupid. The whole thing is stupid anyways. It felt like they just wanted to get rid off Dean as quick as possible. Even his death was so random and felt like a joke. Sam's given a blurry wife?? What the heck was that? Why did they just forget about Elieen? What was the point? If they gave Sam a wife, then why she couldn't have been Elieen instead of a *mysterious* woman? Honestly it was just comedically bad. Sam's wig? Blurry wife?? Completely erasing both Dean and Sam's arcs and characterizations like that? Then they showed ''they found happined in death'' scene... and like... I was like, no, that's not the show and finale was supposed to be. They were supposed to find happiness in life after the defead of the God, after getting free will. I mean they were always gonna end up in Heaven anyway. That wasn't the point. The point was finding it on Earth. And Jared I assume called Dean's ending a ''success story''??? I'm sorry what lol? He literally died YOUNG again, in a random hunt. Even after Chuck got defeated he got the same ending that Chuck always wanted to write. What kind of logic, emotional capacity, writing understanding is this? No Covid was certainly not the problem. We saw at least about 100 people on that bridge at the end, maskless. So no, this sort of bad writing can't be possibly blamed on Covid alone. And yeah they completely erased Cas and Jack... like even John got to be in Dean's heaven but not Cas because he was gay I suppose. They don't even meet after Dean learns that Cas is in Heaven.
@AngelDove
2 жыл бұрын
This episode was just Chucks new book after they left him on the beach, he crawled his way back to town and settled into a sleazy motel to write his uninspired last book to make money since he's human and needs to eat etc. With having no powers to manipulate the brothers anymore he had to just write how he thought they'd react, which seemed like just empty husks in comparison to what we're use to. The whole conversation with Becky pretty much proves he needs his powers and the brothers to be able to write something semi good. That's my headcanon. I did not like this episode, at all.
@annexsis5181
3 жыл бұрын
The episode to me was a big fat "MEH" I did like Dean's speech to sam it was sad the death was kinda pathetic but whatever and merical dog he was the best part of the episode
@drulanovak2526
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you 4 your vid. I think you made some v. interesting points but I also believe you were way too kind in evaluating this episode because it was, objectively, bad. The execution was poor, the writing mediocre, the messages sent by this finale triggering & harmful. Dean didn't have to die. I feel like the only reason why this happened was because Dabb & co decided to flip the Swan Song, and since Sam died there, Dean had to die in "Carry On". But here's the thing, Kripke, being an excellent writer managed to deliver a satisfying conclusion to what was supposed to be the original ending while respecting all that made Supernatural great while Dabb & co ruined it. The show had always been about Sam & Dean but it was also about so much more: free will, never giving up, family don't end with blood. All that was just blown to pieces in the finale. Where was the free will in Sam & Dean’s choices? Dean literally stopped fighting the moment he got impaled. Sam later on, when he turned the lights off and closed the bunker. And maybe if Sam actually looked happy in the montage depicting his life, I’d say living is also fighting BUT he looked goddamn miserable. And "found family" - completely erased. I get covid restrictions but they could’ve at least place some photos in Sam's bedroom, mention Jody, Donna, Eileen etc. Are they even alive? We don't know. And a recorded "Hello, Dean" wouldn't even require Misha's presence. And the most important thing that really bothers me about the finale is the harmful message it sent, i.e. life is hard, death is easy so stop fighting because peace and happiness come in death only. That is the exact opposite of what the show had been telling us for 15 years. It was always NEVER give up. In the finale we heard the opposite. This whole episode felt like Dabb & co decided to sacrifice 15 years of their own storytelling and character development for the sake of fake artifcial nostalgia of coming full circle & they came full circle but in the worst way possible. I could watch the pilot and then not watch the following 325 episodes and I would still understand the finale. That’s bad storytelling. I’m sorry for the long rant but I felt like letting it off my chest for healing purposes. ;) At the end of the day, it’s just a TV show but the people who were truly hurt & triggered by it (and there were many) are real. Again, thank you for your video.
@coleb9392
3 жыл бұрын
I completely agree with you. Especially with how dangerous 'the peace and happiness only in death' for a deeply traumatized character truly was given how SO many in the fandom related to Dean. I know it broke me seeing it and I'd hate to think how it affected younger fans. Anyways, I just wanted to further validate that I had a friend watch up to Swan Song and then skip straight to the finale and not only was able to follow it but was mad that he could. They really took 10+ years of development and trashed it. GoT finale was better.
@michellep4296
3 жыл бұрын
I feel like they just should have waited until they could get more of the cast back and do things properly. And, yes, everything felt hollow and like I was watching strangers. The pacing was way too fast, too much crammed into too short a time. Also, he and Bobby were drinking El Sol, which classically has been an indication that something is *wrong*, like Dean's Djinn dream and Zachariah's would-be Heaven/trap room.
@glygriffe
3 жыл бұрын
Love your thoughts on 15 x 20, espacially the good life of the Bridge!!! I just rewatched the end of season 13 and I was wondering why they chose to put an Earth 2 bridge in Heaven, but your interpretation makes way more sense! (And is more poetic). I felt that the pacing of the last two seasons was often off. So I guess the finale was on par on this front.
@danmeiCoffeecat
3 жыл бұрын
They already had a great pitch for the final meeting... Don't know how they forgot 😑
@gemqueen1866
3 жыл бұрын
please explain!
@MeZuMix
3 жыл бұрын
Perfect. I Just agree.
@castielwinchester6222
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah.. I hate this eposide.
@mimimurlough
3 жыл бұрын
I never really understood liking this episode, but I guess it depends on whether you take it on its own and how much you're invested in the characters (such as they are, swinging wildly all over the place). If you watch for the plots and the adventures, I guess it makes sense. A lot of people who do seem to have liked the episode. For me, it's just that it's not suitable as a finale to the series as a whole - nothing about the fifteen preceding years of events are reflected in it, and nothing about the characters' respective fates reflect their characters except for Dean's suicidal tendencies rearing their ugly head one last time. It's too reminiscient of all the other deaths we've seen, including the first in mystery spot. On the other hand, Supernatural wouldn't have turned into an introspective, dialogue heavy drama as a final episode either. If I were them and if I could pull it off, I'd have Dean survive and give him a career ending injury instead. Break his back, crush his hip, or better yet have him burn out because of it. Sam has to reevaluate what he wants and goes all in on his hunter army. Let both of them find peace in their lives and still get an ending to life as they've known it.
@zhulimoon46
3 жыл бұрын
I hated when they played Carry on My Wayward Son TWICE.
@ForestNurse1406
Жыл бұрын
Oh no.... Its 2023. Im not okay with s15e20 ... M-m And I have so much thoughts to say that I cant tell anything now... You see... Im on my fifth try to rewatch last two series and.... it sucks. It hurts soooo much. Generally, I cant say it was awful, but definitely crap. Hope that one day I make it right and will come here and pour into the comments a stream of text containing adequate arguments, facts and more or less stylized. And now ... Thanks for the great video)
@alexberlanga9977
3 жыл бұрын
I dont care I loved it
@rileymcconnell8911
3 жыл бұрын
Hey I have a question. Do you read destiel fanfics
@BobWessSPN
3 жыл бұрын
Quite! I sometimes read them and have also written some myself.
@Sith_Lord_Sweetheart
3 жыл бұрын
@@BobWessSPN I read some of your fanfics the other day. Dude...they are spectacular. Like seriously, you're a talented writer.
@BobWessSPN
3 жыл бұрын
@@Sith_Lord_Sweetheart Thank you!
@cynthiaholmes5124
3 жыл бұрын
Sadly I hated the finale I do get this episode had to have just sam and dean it started with them and ended with them but still no castiel come on he was on this show for 11 years plus his sacrifice to me was for nothing because dean dies in the finale in this stupid way I do love neoni carry on wayward son this final season was bad they should have brought back the kid from season 7 🤯😬😤😠😡🤬
@playfulpanthress
3 жыл бұрын
You have some good points. But you’re wrong about not wanting to change the episode’s story. It was stupid. I wouldn’t have done stupid ass pies or lame ass vampires that destroy fifteen seasons of development. There are KZitemrs that watch the first and last episodes of a show. Dylan wasn’t confused. There was no reason to waste fifteen years of my life when the show itself says it wasn’t worth it. If this hellscape of a show had a spine, it would show Dean in bed with someone under the blankets. He gets up, pets the dog, goes to the kitchen to make breakfast. We see him wearing a wedding ring. Sam says good morning as he gets ready for a run Dean asks his plans for the day and Sam replies, “Got a date.” (Which would be him learning ASL in a formal classroom. So he can make a grand gesture for Eileen). Then asks what the lovebirds are up to. Before Dean can answer, a man walks in and says, “We’re going fishing. And if we actually catch anything, we’ll eat it.”. No need to have them kiss, but obviously, I’m for it. And if they want to kill Dean so desperately bad, the bait shop could be robbed. Dean either dies protecting his husband or some random kid. Anything that is in line with his development. Or Dean could have an aneurysm. However the death goes, it should be completely natural. Of course, the ending I wanted, and what made the most literary sense, was Dean calling Rowena and praying to Jack. Either Heaven and Hell, or just Hell, Dean rescues Cas from the empty. Months later, and there’s a pandemic, but everyone gets together via Skype to welcome the newest Winchester (we have technology, we should use it. That would get around quarantine, and anyone who couldn’t make it was on a hunt or training in the mountains.). The music was terrible too. I HATED the knock off Wayward Son. If they were going to play the song twice, don’t play the original first. The version from Fanfiction was great, they should have used it. Or a vocal less music box version. This show had so much potential. That’s why this fuckery hurts so much. I’ve never wanted the destruction of a network more than I want to raise the CW to the ground. And I’m a Browncoat.
@TheAlmaward
2 жыл бұрын
I don't blame Jensen for bad acting. I blame Dabb for bad writing. Dabb gave Jensen almost nothing to react *to*, so what's Jensen supposed to do? The whole last episode is just bad writing. The rebar didn't have to kill Dean - first of all, there's no personification of Death available to kill anyone under the rules as Tessa explained them to Dean in S6. Secondly, people have survived accidents involving rebar that were much, much worse than this one. Yeah, nearest hospital is scripted as 40 miles away - so call the helicopter, he'll be there in 2 minutes. You don't pull the rebar out, you cut it and take it with him, removing it in the OR. Dabb outright said maybe 30% of the fandom would like this ep. I think he was overestimating by a good bit. Sure, others had a say, but in the end, Dabb wrote the script. And I just flat disagree with you about the directing and acting. And it's been said at cons that the only real changes to this ep from script to film were 1) the bridge scene was supposed to take place in the bar's parking lot, and 2) after which, they were supposed to go inside, and everyone who'd died over the years was supposed to be there, with Kansas playing as the band. Everything else remained the same. Those two changes were due to COVID, and nothing else. Jensen initially didn't like this ep, until Kripke talked him around. I think he should've gone with his gut. But that's just me, out here alone on my own rock. ;)
@cynthiaholmes5124
3 жыл бұрын
I just started watching the later seasons after watching the final episodes this show hasn't been great in years not since season 11 so i am not surprised that this was so bad 🤯😬😠
@Rikora28
3 жыл бұрын
I love your videos but you lost me on this one with "I didn't hate the episode" 😂 Not bashing your opinion you're entitled to it I just...can't see any good in this ep beyond Jensen's acting. Love your desti eps💚💙💚💙
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