Tycho deserves a Oscar nomination and a noble peace prize for managing to stay positive about this index.
@zachyqaddoumi2991
Жыл бұрын
It’s really not that bad don’t get me wrong it’s not good it’s just not bad like let’s be real ur just mad u lost the minus 1 damage but with most weapons damages going down it’s like it never left it’s not the worst codex we’ve seen and every army has had nerf so it’s not bad
@stepansvabenicky1638
Жыл бұрын
@@zachyqaddoumi2991 yeah necrons definitely had a nerf...
@mattmanchip9419
Жыл бұрын
Bro, necrons are looking good. Have you seen the res orbs 😂
@danielatar4686
Жыл бұрын
@@zachyqaddoumi2991From what I've seen and personally feel is that they have lost the fluff of being more difficult to kill than other armies. Disgustingly resilient has always been their thing and now it is only a stratagem which is worse than many other factions version of the same stratagem.
@coreysteele9122
Жыл бұрын
Well iam pretty sure they have to say good things about it since they get free stuff from games workshop and had to sign an agreement with them
@No_nameOG
Жыл бұрын
So, I started with Death Guard in 9th, never won a match. Now, I get to look forward to losing more. Oh well. At least they’re fun to paint.
@averagecayde6enjoyer520
Жыл бұрын
yeah, I dont play them but i paint my friend's. Still feel your pain though.
@jakobbarr4216
Жыл бұрын
As a Dark Angel player, my Deathwing Knights have damage reduce by 1, +1 to Wounds because of Shields, +4 FNP against mortals once per game, and I can give them an additional -1 dmg to them in melee. I feel like Death Guard should have what my guys have and then some.
@jaybob8400
Жыл бұрын
Tychos co host saying different variations of "0000h" everytime Tycho says something is something i can never unhear
@Dragon_Fyre
Жыл бұрын
Death Guard is Tycho’s main army, so he is expected to have most of the input on their new rules. Mubin was more involved speaking about Tzeentch or Khorne in the earlier video and I think just a co-host here as the other Chaos player.
@MrCaryk
Жыл бұрын
He is there to make sure Tycho doesn't drink bleach because of disappointment in Death Guard
@vitzahorak1482
Жыл бұрын
The best part was when he asked about any cool and powerful combo and they just cut away and never returned to that topic.
@BigLu5741
Жыл бұрын
Except you forget to mention we no longer reduce damage passively. 2cp strat for just a solo unit is Boulogne
@ReynardCalcifius
Жыл бұрын
And other army's get the same strat for less cp
@user-ij9ui8kz8s
Жыл бұрын
Demon prince has a spreading 6 fnp.....
@tychoimmega9741
Жыл бұрын
Only for the enemy shooting phase to boot!
@thundergoat421_6
Жыл бұрын
@user-ij9ui8kz8s And you want your prince to waddle with the rest of your army just being a bubble generator..?
@kamikeserpentail3778
Жыл бұрын
@@ReynardCalcifiusno, there's isn't the same. It has to be used after someone charges. They can't use it on a non-charged combat, and they can't wait until the opponent uses their offensive strategem. Still don't think it's worth 2 CP without being able to reduce damage to zero, but at the very least it does some things the Dark Angel one doesn't
@dirtyapple102
Жыл бұрын
Mortarion on average does less wounds in combat than magnus.... thats not even close to being correct.
@jonathanbrindley3592
Жыл бұрын
Magnus also has 4 dmg mitigations plus -1 dmg
@mattmanchip9419
Жыл бұрын
I totally agree, feels so damn annoying that the primarch who was known for his durability before being made a daemon primarch, has now been made less tough than the little [REDACTED] who got his spine broken
@thijsv948
Жыл бұрын
@@mattmanchip9419 I punched out his heart! Why does no one remember that! Hahaha
@derpjohnson9747
Жыл бұрын
@@jonathanbrindley3592 what are you talking about? Magnus only does 3 damage, and unlike mortys fnp, magnus has to activate his -1 damage instead of his other auras. Morty has higher toughness, can ignore his own degredation, and can choose his auras while still remaining tough, while magnus has to choose between tankiness and damage. Not to mention, mortarion is way cheaper.
@kamikeserpentail3778
Жыл бұрын
They made a lot of them more support focused.
@Dingleberr13s
Жыл бұрын
Points just hammered the final nail in the coffin for deathguard
@tychoimmega9741
Жыл бұрын
Points that can be changed with the press of a button. We are beta testing the thing for em. Not a great look but it is as it has always been. . .except that changes are coming faster than ever!
@MsKoleKong
Жыл бұрын
new death guard is to use rhino to move, use helbrutes and defilers for anti armor, and then use the rest of your list as fodder to keep the important units alive, which is any unit that isnt even from the death guard. Wow very fun. Nurgle demons are just more fun in 10th edition, why bother anymore
@alfadasfire
Жыл бұрын
I guess it's time for a dedicated Death Guard Dreadnought. Just a leviathan dread, but bigger and bulkier, because Nurgle, with all sorts of weaponry. That way you won't need non-Death guard units
@Josco83
Жыл бұрын
@@alfadasfire Well, then I have good news for you! Death Guard did have a dedicated Contemptor. The bad news is GW doesn't make it anymore--just the torso.
@Dingleberr13s
Жыл бұрын
Plague marines are no good and and need characters to make it effective.
@christopherb1913
Жыл бұрын
New Death guard just seems to be ignore your army and use generic chaos stuff.
@christopherb1913
Жыл бұрын
P.s. please buy lots of our surplus rhinos, land raiders and predators to to make your faction work (GW)
@williambegley5209
Жыл бұрын
Sad for my favorite faction
@goofygoob420
Жыл бұрын
You know what, at least we're not admech
@walkerdarin2003
Жыл бұрын
I’m with ya
@williambegley5209
Жыл бұрын
I haven’t looked at ad mech yet.
@goofygoob420
Жыл бұрын
@@williambegley5209 it's mostly nerfs from what I've been told
@jekyldnthide
Жыл бұрын
I appreciate your optimism and positivity Tycho in an otherwise disappointing faction reveal. You're doing the most bud!
@poopnukem8954
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for being a beacon of hope in these dark times tycho. You are always a joy to watch and hear.
@bigeye6606
Жыл бұрын
I am just sad that my Death Guard possessed are no longer usable. :(
@tychoimmega9741
Жыл бұрын
Yep. My 21 I converted and never painted will have to join my CSM
@bigeye6606
Жыл бұрын
@@tychoimmega9741 thing is I converted AND painted all 10 of them. And I loved them in 9th. They were the bane of my opponents existence during our Crusade campaign. But now they are gone... gone with the plague wind... ;_;
@stax6092
Жыл бұрын
I don't really think the issue is that there are no good things about the DG. I just think they because have lost their identity in rules and virtually every other faction has rules that were the major part of DG identity seems like the developers were throwing DG under the bus so to speak. I am not gonna lie, I have not been terribly fond so far of what I have seen this new edition but I had tried to stay positive about it, but losing identity through rules I think is kind of rude to the people who have known them as such. Mubin, it's okay to say more words. And Tycho I always appreciate your energy and enthusiasm.
@rmcdaniel2424
Жыл бұрын
im okay without 40 pages of rules and building an army identity instead of a rule identity
@andrewwilson2441
Жыл бұрын
My issue with DG in 10th edition, is while we became more lethal, our usual targets all have fnp and invul saves now.
@blizzardgaming7070
Жыл бұрын
While we lost ours.
@peterwitczak3124
Жыл бұрын
We do too you just have to use the demon prince wo wings to put his aura on units. Use a couple and the enhancement
@andrewwilson2441
Жыл бұрын
I did, out of the 22 rolls I made with a 6+ fnp I saved 2 single damage wounds, and they were overkill I lost the unit anyways.
@peterwitczak3124
Жыл бұрын
Did ya win 😂
@andrewwilson2441
Жыл бұрын
No, I lost my final unit at the beginning of their turn 3
@acledfloyd
Жыл бұрын
I’m really looking forward to your first battle report with Death Guard. Please give me hope that they can still do cool things.
@savethezombies
Жыл бұрын
From what I've heard from a couple of regular DG players, they're not performing that bad. I'm getting suggestions that poxers and various termies do a lot of heavy lifting.
@takodachinya6212
Жыл бұрын
well, if the enemy doesn't just kill you with mortals, you might have a chance if you just make like 90% of your 4++ saves on the terminators. sadly otherwise you have no chance against any other index exept votan and maybe addmech.
@savethezombies
Жыл бұрын
@@takodachinya6212 my bad, i forgot to mention the transports. They help a lot too. Mind you I haven't played yet myself. Just advice I've gotten.
@rmcdaniel2424
Жыл бұрын
DG got top 6 this weekend on the GW championship lol.
@Monstein
Жыл бұрын
Love hearing Tycho staying positive but not avoiding the issues. I am still excited to play DG in 10th as despite the changing I think there is a few play styles in the army now.
@Xvampirex2
Жыл бұрын
Sadly they seem under tuned. None of the major themes of the army work with each other. Finally the lack of being "tanky" make the army feel nothing like its lore. I personally will not be finishing my DG army this edition. Probably will use a unit or two of Plague marines in my CSM list.
@0master0minecraft0
Жыл бұрын
I like the effort on trying to put a good spin on it
@mrsilverbutton7786
Жыл бұрын
Really like the back and forth on this one - very analytical for a faction I've heard alot of humdrum about, I'm really interested to see Tycho's new lists!
@Guardsman156
Жыл бұрын
It'll be interesting to see how death guard play now with a lot of their stuff gone
@blizzardgaming7070
Жыл бұрын
It seems that mechanised Deathguard will be one of the few usable lists since speedy Deathguard lost the Greater Bloat Drone in competitive.
@rmcdaniel2424
Жыл бұрын
they did good this weekend at the major GW championship. 6th place even. not to shabby.
@Herg3st
11 ай бұрын
@@blizzardgaming7070 sucks for players like me who prefer the infantry and elites instead of vehicle DG very hard to play and get wins😥
@spicethief4826
Жыл бұрын
I love that while acknowledging the faults Tycho still finds postitives. Didn't expect anything less. Also one of the few people with a decent following to even admit this index kinda sucks so good on him for staying real.
@SoulofMusic666
Жыл бұрын
Never have I ever seen a man try so hard no to say "They're crap, NEXT!". Well done Tycho, sorry you got hit with the GW stick ;.;
@joesmith3510
Жыл бұрын
I think there has been a lot of shilling for Death Guard by GW supported channels. Has anyone seen the AP of the xenon races? Plague Marines will be the mainstay of this detachment, how many 5+ saves can one make? Not to mention the increase in feel no pain, get back up, reduce damage, and returning models back to life in about any other army that's not the Death Guard. Plus the amount of units which got a Toughness increase is phemnomenial. Then there is the loss of movement, lack of the good characters to support our best units, and the lack of anti vehicle weapons with almost nothing to deal with tough monsters, Mortarion is a joke reduced to just an expensive buff piece that loses to everything in it's weight class. Contagion wouldn't be missed due to all the toughness increases and is almost redundent with lethal hits. Plus all the good stuff you want to have lethal hits for have a 2+ save. And what is any of our AP0/-1 DM 1 going to do. Spread the sickness and the stratagem use is going to be difficult to pull off. Not to mention it says we can move off an objective but if we do, then any unit that touches it, turns it off. He is right about needing transports which will eat a ton of points because their shooting is rather week and you have to be in melee to do any significant damage. Which is a huge tax not to mention not fluffy. And toughness making us resilient makes me laugh! With all the lethal hits, wound whatever on X, and the fact that almost every unit seems to re-roll wounds in some shape or form, T5/6 isn't going to carry the army. New playstyle- Get used to losing a lot. I have played the Death Guard as my only army since they became their own army and this is the worst version yet. 8th edition was rough but War of the Spider breathed some life back into them. 9th was a roller coaster ride but for the most part they were fun to play. This does not look fun. This looks frustrating to play at best. Maybe just maybe that somehow this is an army that looks like crap and turns out to be amazing but from watching Vanguard tactics battle report and the one from the Kanas City Open, the Death Guard isn't going to have enough resources on the board come turns 4/5. Some of the potent gun line armies may cripple them by turn 3. Elder armies will score and avoid the whole army as a whole. Hope the codex has something better and tweeks the data sheets.
@ondururagittandeska2004
Жыл бұрын
OH MY GOSH Dude the calm the fuck down. This is just a hobby chill
@MsTrollzor
Жыл бұрын
With the massive increase in everyone else's fnps and our lack of and lack of -1 DMG If they update any sticky objectives we get to stay infected until the end of the game just for the purpose of strats ect would that help us ? Love my DG and in very sad that legends alone took 2 K off my total amount of DG
@tychoimmega9741
Жыл бұрын
That's rough! Great idea for a rules update
@RevanR
Жыл бұрын
One step back, two steps forward
@tmdiz4579
Жыл бұрын
towards F tier.
@ondururagittandeska2004
Жыл бұрын
@@tmdiz4579 Touch grass and sell your army
@0-40k
Жыл бұрын
Why is my precious Miasmic Malignifier? Tycho, as always is an absolute pleasure to watch.
@nightlordnorris4446
Жыл бұрын
sad to hear that death drones are going away, but being more strategic about how aggressive you are and also maintaining and infecting objectives will be an interesting playstyle to witness as a spectator. Seems like with 9th, chaos was able to really move up the board and occupy objectives while being a bullwark (death guard especially) so that may give a nice balance. Those drones were pretty powerful, but they are also gorgeous models. I see black legion and word bearer being played a lot because of the new marks of chaos rules, kinda like the idea of those tzeentch-marked obliterators.
@truthlesslouw
Жыл бұрын
I heard they made a new tier for us, in F we go
@humiekitten7818
Жыл бұрын
Tycho is literally my ray of optimism for death guard
@CataclysmDM
Жыл бұрын
I have no idea how you managed to stay positive about these rules XD On the bright side, we should be up for a full rules rewrite soon I hope!
@thefloridaman41
Жыл бұрын
I recommend you grab a GUO for Deathguard. Another big body and unless it’s FAQ’d should be another -1 to enemy toughness to a model in 12”. Him and Morty could become fast friends really quickly.
@tychoimmega9741
Жыл бұрын
I have just the model!
@D6Mafia
Жыл бұрын
GW really just paying all these Warhammer KZitem channels to say nice things about Death Guard after they absolutely butchered their Codex. I wish some of these people would actually just be honest and say the truth is that Death Guard codex is severely broken and under powered compared to every other faction in the game. Sure some of the models have some nice rules but the army as a whole as little to no synergy
@PlayOnTabletop
Жыл бұрын
Games workshop does not pay us a dime. They do offer early access to their stuff but there is no obligation for us to say anything. Every army is different now. You might find it’s not as bad as you think!
@sadis72
Жыл бұрын
@@PlayOnTabletop Well it’s definitely not
@surpriseandterror9698
Жыл бұрын
Let's try actually playing some games of 10th with the faction before we throw our toys out of the pram, yeah?
@spicethief4826
Жыл бұрын
Honestly I would agree if you commented this anywhere except under a Tycho vid. He really is just that positive and happy.
@kamikeserpentail3778
Жыл бұрын
Such an absurd claim. It'd be so much easier and cheaper to just adjust point costs. They don't appear as amazing as I would have liked flavorwise, but balancewise I don't think they're as bad as some people are saying
@robertmcpherson138
Жыл бұрын
10:25 what you're saying about Death Guard having a bit of a weakness against heavy vehicles and monsters is something I'm also really seeing in Orks... unless you're fielding the big walkers or Beast Snagga rigs (OK, getting a liiiittle salty how hard Beast Snaggas are getting pushed.), don't expect to see much past Strength 9, AP -1 or -2.
@stebateus7730
Жыл бұрын
I see you didn't mention use of nurgle daemons with deathguard. Since chaos daemons index told you can now include them in your mortal chaos armies too. (1/4 of your army size can be daemons) Maybe you have less drones but you can have more rot flies!!
@tychoimmega9741
Жыл бұрын
Interesting idea! Gotta dig up that nurgle demon pile
@kamikeserpentail3778
Жыл бұрын
And all demons have deepstrike
@nightlordnorris4446
Жыл бұрын
This actually quote interesting to learn, wasn't aware of this! Hopefully this will give some people new ideas or a little hope, when it comes to playing DG in 10th ed.
@Doodlebob563
Жыл бұрын
There's a fine line between needing to be positive positive POSITIVE to make GW happy and retaining your integrity by telling the truth about how dogshit death guard are now. They desperately need to be tougher and the battle reports that we've already seen are extremely discouraging as they get absolutely tabled.
@tychoimmega9741
Жыл бұрын
GW missed the mark flavor wise for sure. Power wise it's still way too early to tell. Efficiency is everything
@grzmit5904
Жыл бұрын
maybe he doesnt wanna be a downer the whole video? Why just focus on the shitty parts? Tycho is obviously a very positive and jolly guy, so he admits that there is big negatives but he also likes the army a lot and is enjoying finding a bunch of different ways to play. You are absolutely valid to not enjoy death guard anymore, what GW did to them was borderline criminal, but you dont need to tell someone else to stop having fun if they seem to be enjoying the index when you dont.
@Doodlebob563
Жыл бұрын
@@grzmit5904 You obviously didn't quite understand what I wrote there.
@kristianferencik8685
Жыл бұрын
@@Doodlebob563 ok death gaurd got done dirty, so we can't have any positivity?
@thagoodstuff777
Жыл бұрын
Death guard has been thrown into the dirty and he still enthusiastic... dudes my hero
@nimfadoro1169
Жыл бұрын
I do wonder how much dedicated Anti-Tank will be needed when we auto wound with 6s to hit on almost everything.
@Swampert919
Жыл бұрын
Auto wounds on 6 with low ap and low damage (very typically ap 0 or -1 and damage 1), you’ll plink off a few wounds but without dedicated anti tank your not killing a tank without a lot of focus fire to kill them with bug bites.
@surpriseandterror9698
Жыл бұрын
Autowounds on a 2+ save with no AP is death by a 1000 cuts. Which is very Death Guard-y, but nevertheless, you're gonna need some bazookas.
@Swordsmansmith87
Жыл бұрын
@Surprise and Terror! Depends on the target, a tyranofex will laugh off any d1 weapon. And if you're entire army has to fire at 1 leman russ to maybe kill it, then you're losing the battle. 9th edition strategy of kill things by volume of shots is dead and gone.
@bobedwards7592
Жыл бұрын
I'm not upset with the new Death Guard rules. It's free to download and I can play them straight away in 10th edition. I'd be unhappy if I had to wait years for a codex
@catzilla3538
Жыл бұрын
I like how I'm painting up a Bloat Drone while watching this video :D
@lordofgarbageprogenitoroft4147
Жыл бұрын
as much as I enjoy Tychos positivity, DG are pretty shit right now
@erikstoner98
Жыл бұрын
I love your enthousiasm, we don't have points yet but every game we've seen with 9th points, DG is getting absolutley tabled. I would like to add something for what isn't said in the video. -PBC are basicly anti infantry which all other models are as well. There is no anti monster of vehicle (Something that wounds a T12 or higher on a 3+) And the MBH that wounds on a 4+ is cool but just has 3 attacks that hit on 3+. -As said, Mortarion has its own problems -Poxwalkers hit on a 5+ and lose to battleshock, they lost everything that made them good. They're now just wound for Typhus. Needing Rhino's is something I personally dispise and the fact that landraiders are going to be our anti tank just blows my mind. At least our Cultist are usefull now... basicly: "If you wanna play Death Guard, you don't play Death Guard" is a good quote I saw. The standard CSM models are better and more flavourfull somehow... Well, the list goes on and on and on so I'll stop there, have a nice day everyone.
@ewanedwards6822
Жыл бұрын
The 10th ed rules have given me a very fun idea to use infection more as a way to coax fast attack and deep strike in one direction while still having a good stick of points claimed if they don't take the bait If they do, that's when it's the marine and PBCs time to mulch the main enemy cappers Infection seems like a really good way for you to punish not overreaching cappers. Force their hand lest yu get to steal points without needing to camp your Marines all game. Gives a point to cultists and drones as making sure as much territory infected as is possible to get in that position We will see the points situation later today but I'm mostly fine as a new DG player with army still pending. But I see cultists getting a lot of use now with infect in mind and hope is certainly still as present as it always as for drones and haulers thanks to cultists getting to scout and such, if I understand scouting correct. Ranged Marines seem way more important now compared to melee blobs. But they feel more like chas tactical marines now. As far as leaders go it seems it has shifted to daemon princes and lord of virulence. Virulence is very good to deep strike up to main fights but the enhancement/warlord seems the strongest on DP right now.
@ArBee123
Жыл бұрын
Man I just bought an STL for Fleshmowers... I bet theres a cool conversion to turn them into Dreadnaughts
@EnginesofNurgle-ku9ug
Жыл бұрын
Tycho is the only good thing about death guard in 10th edition.
@Tyrnak_Fenrir
Жыл бұрын
Love the positivity here, happy to get a breal from the negativity
@Averagejoepainting
Жыл бұрын
It’s fun to watch someone that loves his army that no matter what happens. Tycho, your awesome! Can’t wait to see you show them DG should still be feared.
@thehungrylittlenihilist
Жыл бұрын
Ive always preferred using entropy cannons defensively anyway. I like to keep them tucked away out of line of sight as much as possible.
@pantaliamon7357
Жыл бұрын
Tycho, you are the best and most wholesome. I'm so happy to see you take a positive view about them without waving past their clear faults. I hope you can do amazing with them as always and look forward to your games! Blessing of the grandfather upon you child of chaos
@tychoimmega9741
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind words. Nurgle forever!
@michaeldlubac9096
Жыл бұрын
MBH get a +1 to wound vehicles, so they punch vehicles harder than you think, I haven't seen anything with T18 so their worst wound roll is 4+ at 48 inches with krak missles. Chaos Lord with Living Plague and a Surgeon in a squad of 10 Plague Marines can hold the middle forever. On turn 3 has a 12" contagion range, and every enemy unit within contagion range of that lord on a 4+ takes a D3 mortal wounds. The Surgeon can bring back a dead plague marine every turn at full wounds, and heal either the lord or a wounded plague marine. The combos are there, you just have to look for them.
@adamn.1294
Жыл бұрын
Surgeon can only heal characters
@destendgem
Жыл бұрын
I actually think the Detachment Rule is way stronger then people give it credit for. Sticky Objectives may be available to any Battleline unit, but there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of those per Index, so army wide Sticky, Especially on Bloat Drones and Blight Haulers, seems like it'll be quite powerful.
@kamikeserpentail3778
Жыл бұрын
Nab an objective, then duck behind cover. The enemy has to pay extra to take it
@kriss3401
8 ай бұрын
the thing that saddens me is that blight haulers aren't really good yet they look soooooo damn good
@ItsXodious
Жыл бұрын
look, im with the redditors that the army just doesnt feel disgustingly resiliant anymore, but after seeing the lethal hits in action, im excited that even if the army remains bottom of the barrel competitively speaking, that theres still a new army to learn and adapt to. Im willing to give it a try. Cautiously optimistic. If it were up to me in the rules team, i think there is a comprimise of buffing the army without bringing back -1dmg or army wide fnp. When you think back to being sick in your life, you likely felt just as weak phsyically as you did frail. I think the idea of the nurgle aura also reducing melee strength or ap by 1 would also lean into the army being very dangerous in melee now that were more vulnerable to shooting. I think the AP would be the way to go just because -1 str into our on average higher toughness just fucks up the math a bit too much to be fun to engage with in the game.
@gurtana
Жыл бұрын
Does the contagion zone toughness reduction stack? I think rules as written means that it does, ie, in later game imagine this: if it gets to the 3rd round, you get a radius of 9inch on all your units, and also allowing you with careful placement (ie surrounding units or piling in with multiple units), you can reduce the toughness of enemy units by 1 for EACH of your units in contagion zone? Contagion zone overlap from your units onto an enemy unit is what I'm talking about.
@patykaarplegos6282
Жыл бұрын
I would really like to know this. If so that'd be awesome
@kylewells6871
Жыл бұрын
No, never has and never will
@naamtar22
Жыл бұрын
Squad sizes: 5 to 10. Box only comes with 7. Dude....
@thehiddenheretic
Жыл бұрын
I had a pin once from a RTT that said Nurgle Likes Me Stinky. When you called them stinky I suddenly remembered this from back in the early 00's
@RevanR
Жыл бұрын
2:38 will be the quote I need when I'm down
@Vinzat666
Жыл бұрын
The Salt is justified, it's the way of our Primarch! Keep your bitterness!
@snoopyxcore
Жыл бұрын
Respectfully, i can not focus on the video at all. those mini bases are too damn beautiful. Any chance we can get a tutorial on how to do these ourselves???
@christophehadjigeorgiou78
Жыл бұрын
I think it's terrible that Content Creators can't tell the truth as they are supported by GW, and if this truly is what Tycho feels about Death Guard - then it's an unrealistic attempt to stay positive about a faction that was very cleaely left behind. Changing play styles is fine. Changing to a style that fristly doesnt meet the standard in this edition compared to other factions, and secondly to a style that has little to no synergy, is not acceptable. Pound for pound, Deathwing, Abominants and many, many other units are MUCH better and tankier than our units, and there are much more versatile and better troops than our PMs.
@kristianferencik8685
Жыл бұрын
So can't say anything positive? You can have your gripes about the changes that's fine but you know what is really tiring? When people actively and constantly just go out of their way and just completely shit on the changes and actively try to discourage any players from trying to play a certain faction like yes they aren't great but if you want to play them here are the positives. If you genuinely just want to keep spewing that "Death Guard Bad, you positive, you payed by GW", well you and all the other thousand irate key board warriors can just keep it to yourselves.
@XenoTechnian
Жыл бұрын
Been seeing boundless salt and negativity about DG (and i dont even play þem!) so its nice to see some people pointing out þe postives and talking about how þey might actually play
@kamikeserpentail3778
Жыл бұрын
I'm excited to play my first match with them.
@Topera151
Жыл бұрын
It really seems as though GW don't know what Death Guard are supposed to be so they just make them almost the same as every other Heretic faction. We're so indistinct now that we may as well not have our own codex. Our army needs to be re-worked from the ground up. We should be playing thematically like vectors of disease. You don't want to get too close. You definitely don't want to touch & you will have a hard time completely eradicating us. The backbone of the force should be the Ultra-durable plague marine. 3w & old style disgustingly resilient. Melee or short range nurgly weapons for free - bubotic axes, maces, blight grenades, plague knives, plague belchers, & meltas. If we want extra range then it should come at a slight cost for plague bolters, and a little more for blight launchers and plague spewers which should be mega. Flails or Cleavers for champions. Then there should be our big guns. Blightlords with 4 wounds and old style disgustingly resilient. Champion with flails again if they want and then access to up to 4 heavy weapons per squad including entropy cannons as well as all the old favourites so these bad boys can drop into the role of dreadnoughts or deep striking big game hunters. We will need some cheap HQ options to offset the points jumps so this is where the plague surgeon and the noxious blightbringer can step up without much change to their current abilities to give us more options. Poxies could get a drop in points to round out troop choices where points are scarce and then they could synergise with Noxious blightbringers in certain types of list - looking at you, zombie horde. The boarding patrol could effectively be dark imperium. 7 tooled up plague marines, 2 squads of Poxies and 2 HQ choices making up whatever the 10th edition equivalent is of a ~500 point table-ready force. With the heroes 3 series coming back and the already existing multi-part set, having the whole range would mean massive versatility for small lists and large lists alike. A 1500 point equivalent army could be as small as 3 squads of 7 Plague Marines plus a squad of blightlords, or it could be as massive as 30 squads of poxwalkers with typhus and a blight bringer and everything in between. Death Guard could and should be an infantry focused, small, elite army. Distinct and different from their Heretic cousins in a similar way that Custodes are different to Astartes, but with the added versatility that cheap poxwalkers can make us more horde-like if you should happen to want that.
@tien65
Жыл бұрын
curious about Tycho thoughts on nurgle defiler and hellbrute? would he recommend them?
@tychoimmega9741
Жыл бұрын
Yes to both! Hellbrute getting contagion on vital targets early is ace and defilers are just plain fun
@MrBanditoRazor
Жыл бұрын
I love that Tycho doesn't do the over reaction doom and gloom. I love how he sees the many positives and the excitement of being pushed out of the cookie cutter rut of the past.
@HerbaceousM8
Жыл бұрын
wait drones are out? cooome oooon..... i see the panning over the "modern" ones too
@Swampert919
Жыл бұрын
Only the forge world greater blight drones are now gone, the regular bloat drones are still around.
@WookieRookie
Жыл бұрын
I want Tycho to write the codex for DG instead of GW designers. This would be not only strong but also most importantly very fun to play.
@deesnutz8504
Жыл бұрын
This is going to be a tough edition for death guard given that we are lacking in FNP as well as disgustingly resilient being scrapped altogether :(
@ReynardCalcifius
Жыл бұрын
They took away our -1 dmg and gave it to almost every other faction
@KungfuTrickster
Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to see Tycho's DG go against the Levianthan-box Space Marines and/or Tyranids under 10th ed rules in a matched play.
@mattb683
Жыл бұрын
I'm really looking forward to playing them in 11th edition! 😊
@The_Warsmith
Жыл бұрын
Tycho is a true follower of Nurgle
@thatepicwizardguy
Жыл бұрын
The more I hear about chaos marine stuff the more I feel like why wouldn't you just play a proper daemon list?
@jesserenzetti7648
Жыл бұрын
“Its a new edition, were all gonna have to change…” Me with World Eaters. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!!!!!!
@TACO_BELL-bs9pv
Жыл бұрын
He has no blight haulers
@chuckobannon2975
Жыл бұрын
I’m bummed that my infantry walking up the board is dead but the blight hauler looks good and I love those little guys
@hazey9514
Жыл бұрын
They took away the drones... what hell is this? Grandfather spare us.
@makeitrain280
Жыл бұрын
I’m still a bit confused on what GW have decided to do with plague marines as it seems the army wants you to keep advancing onto the enemy with sticky objectives and a debug to help you fend off any enemies that might start to get to close, but yet plague marines seem to go in the opposite direction of that with them wanting to stick to objectives for some buffs. Hopefully you guys care able to make the rules work well for you guys (along with you ad mech fellas)
@tychoimmega9741
Жыл бұрын
Plague marines are gonna shine as they assault midfield objectives. Sadly they may be to fragile to hike. Transportation!
@Dragon_Fyre
Жыл бұрын
From the previous video, Tzeentch will now be in the meta, so I guess you had to expect the power of Nurgle to wane and fall into obscurity. The tides of Chaos at work…
@philgagnon275
Жыл бұрын
How Dare Tzeench affect our play style. Lol Can't wait to get my plague boys on the table and see how much things really are
@Gvozdeni-Krst
Жыл бұрын
I'm looking forward to having an icon bearer and plague surgeon lead a squad and see how well they can take and hold objectives
@adamlieberman7135
Жыл бұрын
Tycho =
@joshuacollins5860
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for seeing the good versus focusing on the perceived bad! All the armies have changed in 10th, and introduced some incredibly flavorful new play styles and abilities. It's natural that we might miss something we loved in 9th, but we also get to try out the cool new stuff in context of all the new factions and balancing!
@blackspiral69
Жыл бұрын
DG have been utterly gutted in 10th.....i love the fact this guy tried to be positive....
@TheGoatPC
Жыл бұрын
Really want to know how you made those bases, Tycho.
@EnginesofNurgle-ku9ug
Жыл бұрын
I believe it’s discussed in the showcase video
@heademptyonlybun881
Жыл бұрын
It was indeed mentioned in the showcase. IIRC, Tack was the one who painted most of them and gave them the noxious green basing, and Tycho did a handful to match.
@oldex6564
Жыл бұрын
02:25 Why in mourning, Tycho? Legends are still 100% playable, it's only in organised events that specify otherwise you need to worry about.
@tychoimmega9741
Жыл бұрын
Where in legends is the Greater Blight Drone? its not a legend. . . its just gone.
@oldex6564
Жыл бұрын
@@tychoimmega9741at the time code I gave you said you're mourning your play style/list because "my favourite unit has gone to Legends."
@tychoimmega9741
Жыл бұрын
@@oldex6564 You are right I misspoke. Sorry! as far as i know the Greater Blight Drone is just gone. No rules available for 10th😭
@williamsmith8864
6 ай бұрын
And the lord can deep strike so deep strike sacrifice just to get extra damage in
@thedongermcgee5591
Жыл бұрын
I truly embody our primarchs pessimism when looking at the new rules for our legion. They probably wont see much action other than the initial trial games, then i will whip out my other pessimistic legion, the sons of Olympia! Iron Within!
@ReynardCalcifius
Жыл бұрын
DGs index is just incredibly poorly written, they want us to move around and grab objectives but if you don't sit on the infected objectives you don't get any buffs, and if you leave an infected objective your opponent can just walk up and remove the infection and claim the obj, not to mention they dropped our movement even more, AND we're so much less tanky we're barely going to be able to sit on objectives cause we'll just get blasted off them during shooting...
@Bluecho4
Жыл бұрын
Also, the army's main mechanic now is handing out debuffs to Toughness. Yet most DG weapons have Lethal Hits...which bypass the Wound rolls entirely. So these two rules work at cross-purposes to one another.
@kamikeserpentail3778
Жыл бұрын
The buffs on objectives are so you need less units in defense. Enemy going to have a harder time doing things with deep strike. We don't want to sit on objectives, we want to sit near objectives, behind cover
@GenralG7
Жыл бұрын
Your overwhelming positivity makes my heart ache, I wish I could be as hopeful
@davidcox6454
Жыл бұрын
Don’t blight haulers wound vehicles with toughness of 10-17 on a 4
@Daedricsoulslayer
Жыл бұрын
I need Michael to special guest and talk about the Necrons 😂😂
@julianjones1130
Жыл бұрын
I want to see space wolves versus death guard cause they are inherently different but they both have good arguably great melee set ups
@ransom1004
Жыл бұрын
Please, take Thousand Sons up against Death Guard. Let’s see GW balancing first hand!
@GALsportmachine
Жыл бұрын
Thank you guys, you are an epic duo Epic Casters
@justicar5
Жыл бұрын
how do you feel about the decision to remove points entirely, and replace them with power levels called points....
@tychoimmega9741
Жыл бұрын
Glum. I am a list builder and enjoyed finding efficiencies. Might be good for the game in the end due to being more approachable by new players?
@stevesonbronze7795
Жыл бұрын
I want to see them talk about Deathwatch
@thefloridaman41
Жыл бұрын
DW got nerf’d already.
@Swordsmansmith87
Жыл бұрын
They got nerfed
@allegedcombustion9014
Жыл бұрын
This is some weapons grade copium. Not that I blame Tycho for looking for the bright side
@royaltyfree9607
5 ай бұрын
Once again, GW proves that we can’t have any Chaos faction be strong in any capacity.
@vardaangupta7128
Жыл бұрын
I am really suprised how tycho took this index, I was kinda expecting tycho to be unhappy as deathguard are not very strong right now and they are now basically paper mache.
@vardaangupta7128
Жыл бұрын
also its only the blight drones that have gone to legends, you can still play a drone heavy list. However for the shooting portion I think you could use some myphtic blight haulers, They are a decent anti everything platform that are just as fast and just as tough as the greater blight drones.
@kristianferencik8685
Жыл бұрын
@vardaangupta7128 well here is the thing, just cause something gets nerfed or changed in someway you find negative, you don't have to ruin it for those who still want to play DG. Are they less resilient? Yes, is it getting tiring that people go one tirades and are never satisfied or acknowledge any positives with anything that is done? YES!YES!YES!YES!
@PirateJamm
Жыл бұрын
Extremely sad to see that Death Guard has become the weakest army 😢 But every faction and army has this stage. Unfortunately it’s Death Guards turn. Love watching Tycho and love to see the positivity remaining high despite the bad news
@dragma907
Жыл бұрын
When has it not been their turn? They were briefly a strong B-tier army during the armor of contempt era then went right back down to D tier, now this.
@memesouls8653
10 ай бұрын
Really want to get my own Primarch and I think Mortarion would be such a cool addition to my Death Guard army but I really can’t justify buying a $140 model that probably cost GW $0.25 to make. There is more plastic in one of those plagueburst crawlers than in Mortarion yet he cost more than double. I find Games Workshops pricings to be absurd. I think the hobby would reach a FAR bigger audience had they not felt the inclination to jack up their prices to unreasonable standards as if they are the hottest topic on planet earth. I do think GW has a big ego problem where they are the next “big franchise” and that everyone knows their brand and therefore have the right to set the prices for their models to obscene levels like each kit is a Nike shoe. I really do wish they change in the future, but currently I’m relent trying hard to get back into the hobby but GW hasn’t really changed anything in the last three editions so I’m probably gonna have to wait… for a really long time.
@DeadSurfaceGerbil
Жыл бұрын
Poxwalkers don't have Strength 4, they are on 3? Am I missing something?
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