Love this video, such a game changer, now I know why my plugins input and output were not the same and I now know why my plugins make the signal hotter too, great. Thanks a lot.
@lloydcooke5503
Жыл бұрын
Your welcome. One more question: Why do some plugins decrease the volume of the track?
@MrFree-vj8qj
2 жыл бұрын
good stuff, the concrete in the daw example was the best part.
@TheRealCalijokes01
Жыл бұрын
Good examples
@africar1909
2 жыл бұрын
so nice i wonder why some you tube techers dont tell the truth like you #thenx lot bro
@Livert79
Жыл бұрын
Nice, thanx :)
@aaronmetz8707
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Joe. If I want to affect one particular area of the frequency spectrum with an eq move why would I want to affect the surrounding frequencies by compensating that move? Say I cut 4 db at 350 hz on a kick drum and in order to compensate the volume loss I have to raise my gain 1db. That one decibel gain boost just affected all the other frequencies surrounding that cut even though I didn't want to boost those frequencies 1db at all because I liked where they were sitting when I did my static mix. When I applied this workflow when initially learning to eq I couldn't understand why every time I'd get rid of muddiness in my bass sounds there would always end up being even more low end masking between the kick and bass than there was before and it was because those compensated gain boosts were essentially pushing the subs further forward. I understand why you would do this with eq during mastering or if you were applying saturation/compression but it doesn't make sense to me when eqing individual tracks due to the non-full spectrum nature of eq. I even asked Gregory Scott from UBK audio/Kush plugins about this line of thinking and this was his response: "I never do any level compensations when I eq, my workflow is similar to yours in that I'm eq'ing in context, and when I get it adjusted the way I like, why would I mess with the overall level? I mean, I'll adjust the fader if I then want more or less of that sound, but that's because I'm mixing, not because I'm gain-compensating an eq move." I only bring this up because this crippled my ability to mix for over 3 years and after watching a few mix sessions with some professional mixers (Gregory Scott, CLA, Warren Huart, Steven Slate, Joey Sturgis) I noticed that none of them were compensating their eq moves and their mixes sounded far more exciting and open than mine did despite the fact that I was noticing the same problems in their mixes as they were. Once I stopped compensating my eq moves I finally gained the clarity and excitement I was looking for and the improvement was so drastic and so immediate that my mixing engineer buddy told me that they couldn't believe how much my eqing skills leveled up in such a short period of time.
@JoeAtClaricast
3 жыл бұрын
Hey Aaron, thanks, this is interesting. If it works for you then go for it of course. I would always suggest that to anyone. I am surprised that many of these professional mixers don't level match. And I'm surprised at how much it has helped you. I think it depends on the situation. There are times when I don't, if I'm mixing quickly and it sounds good I'll just leave it. A lot of the time I find it messes up with the balance though. At least on the initial rough mix where I'm doing most of the EQing. I normally don't bother compensating for subtle changes later on in the mix. But for large changes that come soon after balancing levels, I feel it needs it. Especially if I'm carving out a lot of audio. Like if I want to put a telephone effect on a vocal and I'm chopping off half the frequencies, it ends up way too quiet and I'll need to bring the level back where it was. Perhaps it depends how one is EQing to begin with. Particularly with EQ boosts that increase the level. For example, I don't want it sounding brighter AND louder, just brighter. I don't want it pushing the compressor harder as well if it's placed before a compressor. But I wouldn't want to try to convince you that you should be doing it a different way. Ultimately if it works then it works.
@FunDaBounceDJ
3 жыл бұрын
"...why would I want to affect the surrounding frequencies by compensating that move?" My thoughts exactly. I actually came across this vid while searching about plugins such as the "ab perception" plug-in, and Joe's vid just reinforced the idea in me that there is a flaw to this approach. Again, going with the initial quote: why affect surrounding frequencies if I'm looking for a specific boost/cut? One thing though, I've actually been applying the level match technique for compression for years now and completely understand it's place in it. but really, for eq, I find this technique counter productive.
@aaronmetz8707
3 жыл бұрын
@@FunDaBounceDJ I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this is counter productive advice when applying it to eq on individual elements. I've asked many people about this and the overwhelming majority of engineers I've talked to don't compensate for eq moves this way. The majority of folks I've talked to tend to do a kind of compensation that takes the form of boosting pleasant frequencies in the sound rather than boosting the output of the eq plugin itself. That approach makes sense to me because it gives you more control over which bands are being accentuated rather than just doing a broadband boost/cut on everything other than the moves you've already made. Where this broadband output compensation really tended to affect me was on low end elements. Once I was done removing mud from a less than clear kick or bass the resulting changes would always make those elements boomy and airy/sizzle heavy. I was watching another mixer tackle that same issue and he did the same cut I would have done but instead just did some small boosts in the lows and mids to make up for it and it sounded infinitely better than the way I was doing it.
@FunDaBounceDJ
3 жыл бұрын
@@aaronmetz8707 I never thought about it eq-wise until recently. My issue is that all these gain compensation plugins for mastering got me doubting myself. Could this be an "Emperor has no clothes" kinda thing? lol!
@JoeAtClaricast
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for adding your thoughts. I will have a play around with this approach.
@AaronAsherRandall
2 жыл бұрын
Hey so, another way which I think works to level match if your plugin doesn't have the input and output parameters, is to put a simple eq or compressor before and after the main compressor (so you now have 3 plugins in your chain). Then you can adjust your main compressor so that the two plugins output match. Does this work?
@JoeAtClaricast
2 жыл бұрын
Totally! Some DAWs have a 'Gain' plugin that can do that job too. All DAWs should have one really.
@5ision
Жыл бұрын
major key
@sidehustlefilms8007
2 жыл бұрын
Hey Joe nice tips! How about reverb... do i level match the reverb dverb stock plugin in Pro Tools to make sure the level pre inserts is the same post inserts? If yes.. how do i level match this plugin.. thank you.
@JoeAtClaricast
2 жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks! Are you using D-Verb as an insert on the track? I would put it on a bus and send the tracks to that bus. Then you can control the level of reverb via the send. If when you're adding reverb it feels too loud, you could just bring the track fader down until it sounds right. But typically it's more important for EQs and compressors.
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