Very nicely stated, I have had my glowforge for 3 months but have only started using it with in the last month on a regular basis. I have had a lot of the issues you have except heating up, one mine is a pro plus and I buy for the subscription. It is in my craft room and I purchase the external fan off Amazon. I am not a laser or software user so trying to learn all the settings when you use non proof grade wood has been such a pain. I use the setting recommended from the people I buy the wood from and one time it will work and 5 minutes later it wont cut through. The line up for the camera doesn't line up proper even after I do all the calibration and cleaning (mind you I have not used it enough to get it that Smokey.) I have been on the community board for glowforge and see a lot of my issues listed but when I do what they recommend for the fix its hit or miss if it will work. So I can totally related to your video issues. Now with this all being said I do love it when it works correctly, I can make lots of beautiful things I could not without it. I do wish they would work on the software to correct at least that and the camera alignment issues. Thank you for the review, now I don't feel like its all operator error.
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your comment, its nice know that we are not alone with some of these frustrations. As far as using the non proof grade materials. Someone in the community forum has a spreadsheet with all of the custom speed and power rates for various materials. If I can find the link, I will post it here.
@texasnana824
3 жыл бұрын
@@GeekBuildersNet thank you.
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
@@texasnana824 Here the direct link for that spreadsheet, docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sWOebDU94HwezYPbHa3YdtXjpLbEl_vEPvCb1dSByL4/edit#gid=582951492
@texasnana824
3 жыл бұрын
@@GeekBuildersNet Thank you
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
@joe Krakowiecki Is the heatsink only on the pro? I didn't think the basic had passive cooling
@malarki8789
3 жыл бұрын
Very accurate review. I bought the pro, and have had buyers remorse since. I'm a manufacturing professional, and have found the glowforge to be nothing but an expensive toy. It's Unreliable, inaccurate and requires frustrating software. You hit the mark with this video.
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
I wish this wasn't the case. I really want to like the machine
@Nunyabizn3ss
3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if you guys can claw some money back by selling it. I for one am glad to benefit from your experiences, prior to making a purchase!
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
@@Nunyabizn3ss We will find a way to earn some of the money back. We just need to find a small work around for some items.
@Nunyabizn3ss
3 жыл бұрын
@@GeekBuildersNet that would make for an interesting video, and could help other dissatisfied Glowforge owners. Thanks again for your work.
@aspenrose1729
3 жыл бұрын
Whatcdo you wish you wouldve bought instead
@lenoramcglown5242
2 жыл бұрын
THANK U I WAS READY TO BUY THE PRO GLOWFORGE...$6000... I AM GOING TO STICK WITH MY ORTUR MASTER 2...I WILL NOT EVEN THINK OF GLOWFORGE AGAIN
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
The ORTUR is good as a diode laser from what I hear, but it is pretty different than a C02 laser. If you are still interested in a C02 type laser, check out the Full Spectrum Muse of the xTool Make Block
@dieselstruck
2 жыл бұрын
Whoooaaa constant internet connection is a deal breaker for me. Pay attention Glowforge. I would've accepted most shortcomings but that's a deal breaker right there.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
It's definitely a negative for a lot of people
@danthemakerman
3 жыл бұрын
The design software being behind a paywall is a huge deal breaker for me. Thanks for the video.
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
Their design software is minimal at best, but having some basic functions behind a paywall is odd
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
@@PatchesMacPatches A lot of people were surprised by this. I know that it is quickly becoming a standard with internet based machines.
@YOURINFINITEMEDIA
3 жыл бұрын
@@PatchesMacPatches just get a WiFi extender, my netgear gets signal 300ft. Was very cheap and a few years old so modern extenders will probably suit you fine
@davidfritz9385
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you this was very helpful 😃
@TedH71
2 жыл бұрын
@@PatchesMacPatches Get a Thunder laser or an Epilog. The Epilog is more costly than Thunder.
@PaxsonWoelber
3 жыл бұрын
As someone who owns two product-based businesses, I'll say the problems you describe sound like what happens when MBAs take control of a company. You can just imagine some Glowforge exec telling a room full of investors, "...but the real money is in subscriptions!"
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
I agree...
@Stonefactor
2 жыл бұрын
Yup, it's pretty thirsty and insulting.
@carrieknoth4346
2 жыл бұрын
So true. I cringed when I read that. I've sat in meetings like that.
@nomoredeadfriends24
3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! Im 29 and was about to drop 6k on the glowforge pro as my first large piece of equipment. Knowing that on top of that you have to pay their subscription for the software immediately changed my mind. I guess its back to the drawing board lol youre a hero for posting this!
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
The Glowforge is still a decent machine, just not as good as it should be. And if Glowforge isn't quite right for you, there are some other lasers in that price range that might offer a little more of what you're looking for.
@jeffgorchynski
2 жыл бұрын
@@GeekBuildersNet any suggestions on other lasers?
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffgorchynski I recommend looking into the Full Spectrum Muse and the xTool Laserblock as a comparison. I do not have personal experience with either laser, but there are quite a few people that like them
@jeffgorchynski
2 жыл бұрын
@@GeekBuildersNet thank you!
@ResinBelle
2 жыл бұрын
I adore my Glowforge, one of my favorite tools I've ever owned. The fact that it more than paid for itself through the referral program within the first year was just a bonus. Yes it does have it's quirks, although most of my problems were from me learning to use the machine. Any time I ever had a question the Glowforge community forums were a saving grace, especially for a beginner laser enthusiast. There is so much knowledge and support to learn just about everything you could need to know. Having said that I'm sure that it isn't for everyone nor every situation and user experience is diverse from person to person. Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts.
@outboardprsnlstndup
3 жыл бұрын
YOWSA!! I was going to watch some other glowforge reviews, but after the whole part about online aspects, I’ll pass all together. Thanks for the informative review
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the online aspect is becoming a lot more standard for machines like this, there should at least be an option for local connection
@ewd1020
3 жыл бұрын
First let me say this is a fair and balanced review. That being said I ran into all of the same issues you mentioned and have come up with perfectly acceptable (in my mind anyway) work arounds. I had an old Epilog as my first laser and found out pretty quickly that lasers don't like extreme temps - hot or cold. So when I went looking for a new laser I fully expected it would live in my house where the ambient temps are 72. As soon as my GF arrived so did my 6" inline fan. The sound is perfectly acceptable in that configuration. The camera is kind of a waste really. It's only function for me is to make sure my stuff is within the cut area. I do have a process for precisely engraving things like round coasters, etc and I think it's more accurate than even doing a test firing in my opinion. Not always cutting through materials is usually a function more of the quality of the material you're cutting from what I've found. The paywall thing with the designer...eh..I looked at it for five mins and decided it was more like a tool for people who are unwilling to learn how to use graphic software like Inkscape or Illustrator. I decided to learn Illustrator and can't imaging using anything the paywall has to offer. I actually like the fact that you can use it wirelessly. I mean all of my other printers are wireless. The one concern I have is that if GF every went out of business I'd be dead in the water until the community found a work around. Another really significant issue that I haven't experienced yet is beyond simple maintenance. Like if a belt broke or your tube needs to be recharged. The only option you have is to send back your unit and they ship you a refurb. Not a fan of that idea. Just send me the damn part. It is though one of the most user friendly lasers on the planet. I could consider more of an appliance really. Don't want to have to learn about networking? Don't want to have to deal with the nitty gritty of running a laser? This is it.
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
Well said
@GarrenteedCreations
3 жыл бұрын
Would you be willing to tell us your process for precisely aligning? Our camera is always giving us issues with alignment. Thanks.
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
@@GarrenteedCreations I will try to make a follow up video within the next week to demonstrate a method that I came across.
@GarrenteedCreations
3 жыл бұрын
@@GeekBuildersNet Excellent, thanks!
@NataliaPiedras
2 жыл бұрын
As a process engineer thanks for stating the obvious. Every single piece of manufacturing equipment will have pros and cons, most of them use proprietary software, the quirks with process control are the bread and butter of why we product/process engineers exist. There are many factors at play when deciding which piece of equipment to buy for me Glowforge is the perfect machine for non-engineers, I wanted a machine to play around with and show my mom and siblings what is possible with a basic laser and it is perfect for that. For a manufacturing business this is definitely not the machine, I would look at LPKF and the like.
@mardidunham2710
2 жыл бұрын
I can't thank you enough for this video. I'm sorry that it cost you time and money to save me on those things. I found your video easy to follow, even though I have never once used this kind of machine. I have a circut maker, so... I love it! I'm looking to move forward to a more advanced machine for cutting details into wood. I really appreciate the information you gave on the software for this machine, because I design all of my own projects, and I would hate to have a major company take the rights to my designs because they "monitor" what I'm creating. So a big thank your for hat.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Just to be clear, I don't see any indication that any right will be taken, just that they could implement a system if pressured to do so by private corporations. Thanks for watching.
@pimmypoi
2 жыл бұрын
Pheeew!!! I’m so glad I stumbled upon this video. I was toying with the idea of getting one. For that price, and the issues you mentioned, I’m best to save my money. Thanks!!
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
There are other lasers of this caliber in the price range that might work better for your purposes.
@leozen2904
2 жыл бұрын
@@GeekBuildersNetWould appreciate getting some suggestions from you!
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
@@leozen2904 If you are looking for a CO2 laser, I recommend looking into the Full Spectrum Muse, if your needs can be met by a diode laser, for a significantly lower price, I recommend the XTool D1
@Connorsdaddy12062008
2 жыл бұрын
I have owned my Glowforge Pro since July of last year. I also purchased the HEPA filter add on filter system (by Glowforge) with it for use when the weather doesn't permit me to vent it out of the window. I keep mine in the house where the temperature never drops below 72 degrees Fahrenheit. I also purchased the cloud9 external fan that many Glowforge owners add to their setup. Its very quiet because in the settings I have bypassed the mediocre internal fan (since its not needed after my upgrades). I keep it clean just as you do. It has ran 12 hours a day for 7 days a week ever since (I'm positive it would run 24/7 if I needed it to). I'm not trying to act as a GF fanboy here, but I haven't experienced a single problem with mine. I also know many people in the maker community that have owned their GF pro for 3 plus years with no issues to speak of. Now, I'm sure I'll have to replace the CO2 tube eventually, and that will cost about $400 usd when the time comes (they last 2-4 years). as for the camera alignment issue you speak of, I have yet to experience that.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to hear that it is working that well for you. I imagine that a large part is a result of the larger reservoir and better cooling for the pro. I have two pros at work with the HEPA filter as well. The camera alignment is fairly common, but not sure about its real prevalence. I think some people might misunderstand my critique of the machine... I think its good... I just wish it was a little better so I could call it great
@she_sings_delightful_things
2 жыл бұрын
You crack me up!!! 😂👍 Glad I watched this video before making a stupid decision....thank you!
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Just to be clear, the Glowforge is still a good machine, but far from perfect. Thanks for watching.
@renitayoung8464
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your video. I was thinking about investing but I will not move forward. The simple task to rotate will cost money. No thanks. Can you suggest another machine you’ve personally used?
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
The only other experience I have is with a K40 type laser. It works great if you're willing to put the time into calibrating it and making various improvements.
@LithosAndLasers
2 жыл бұрын
I have had my glowforge for 2 years now. I Experienced some of the issues you did, and I also have some solutions for you as well. I live in Arizona and that first summer was killer with constant cooling down errors. I added a window Ac, I directed the air to the intake at the front right side of the machine, I bought a beefier window ac, ac set at 69 degrees...... I fixed the issue, How? On the backnof the laser head is a tiny fan. CLEAN THIS FAN,. I literally went from cooling errors every few minutes, to 0 errors in over 1 year, by cleaning that fan every few months. In fact, room temp has not even mattered. Camera issue. The camera us there to assist buy us not super accurate. A solution is making a simple jig. I have a KZitem channel where I do all kinds of glowforge tutorials, and that is one of the latest. lithosandlasers is the name. For items larger than .5 inches, you need to remove the crumbtray. The key her is that the item can then be up to 2 inches, and most be within .5 inches of the laser head. I use little wooden risers for this. you can search for MATERIAL RISERS IN MEDIUM DRAFTBOARD to find the files. They work awesome. Hope this helps.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Having the clean fan hasn't made a difference for my particular machine. As far as cooling goes, I've avoided the air conditioner hack mainly because I don't want to have to run an additional unit to fix what I thought Glowforge should have build better... but I may not have much of a choice. As for the camera, I've made templates and they're useful at times, but there are also a lot of times when I just need it to align better. With all that being said, I appreciate the tips. Thanks for watching.
@LithosAndLasers
2 жыл бұрын
@GeekBuilders To be clear, the fan O am referring to is not the air assist, that blows the air out of your cut path, but the tiny fan on the laser head itself. It's job is to cool the laser head, and blow debris away from the lens. Best of luck :)
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
@@LithosAndLasers Got it. Thanks for the tip
@LithosAndLasers
2 жыл бұрын
@GeekBuilders Anytime, Hope it helps.
@scottenterprise3433
2 жыл бұрын
I've always had it in my mind that I was going to get one, now I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole after seeing this video. Can't believe they are charging those subscription prices when it should be either free or at the most like $5 a month. Thanks for your review, will definitely avoid this and look for something better.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching. I hope you find what you're looking for.
@craigmckee3926
2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Thanks for this review. I was really looking at these, but requiring a subscription for more than BASIC use, and internet based control (and they store your designs???) NOPE. Will be looking at other alternatives.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Just to be clear, the comment about storing your designs was simply commentary about what could be done... I don't know if they actually do that. Thanks for watching
@ryanbeichner5264
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making up my mind
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
Glad to help. ( I hope)_, Thanks for watching
@DrewMarold
2 жыл бұрын
I seriously considered buying a Glowforge when they first came out, but the fact that you can only use it by sending your files through their servers made it a total non-starter. Our landfills are full of products that required an outside service to work, and that service went out of business or stopped supporting an older product line, and now you have a very expensive doorstop.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
I know that's a lot of people's concern. Companies should have a built in contingency plan. Thanks for sharing and watching.
@Connorsdaddy12062008
2 жыл бұрын
@@GeekBuildersNet Glowforge has stated that if anything were to happen to their company, that they will release stand alone software for the user so it can be used without their servers. However, until that time presents itself, it will remain cloud based.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
@@Connorsdaddy12062008 That is good to know. I was not aware of that. Thanks
@VengD
2 жыл бұрын
lol... They're monitoring everything, as a service for the customers? Riiight... So have the machine log everything that happens... Offline... That you can access through a cable/wifi and send to them, if you want... So you're in control of your own info. That's a lot of issues I don't wanna deal with, but absolutely the always-online part and them gathering all the info... They can certainly gtfo with those two. I've been using diode lasers for a good while now. While they're ramping up, they're far from the power a co2 can do. But they're as straight forward as a machine can be. You have to clean them... Sometimes tension a belt... That's pretty much the only "trouble" I've had with them. And they can do all that I need them to do, for personal use and small etsy store.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
I use my diode lasers more than the Co2 lasers right now. They have gotten much more reliable and are getting more powerful all the time. Thanks for watching.
@RabidCycler
2 жыл бұрын
I was about to get one until I realized they use proprietary subscription based software. NO THANKS. There's many better options.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
The software is easy to use, which makes it friendly for a lot of people... but it is very limited.
@Jumpinginhappiness
2 жыл бұрын
I bought the glowforge pro and air filter. I wanted to start a business on it. I’m not doing as well as I feel I can but I don’t think it’s a bad tool. It’s just not the best laser. But you’re correct the glow-forge isn’t what it’s cracked out to be had I known now I would have gotten a proper cnc
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
A good CNC is invaluable. Thanks for watching
@Cut2Finish
3 жыл бұрын
Just learning about the pay wall made the decision easy for me. Thank you for the review. Just saved me 6k.
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
Glad to help
@SaitoGray
2 жыл бұрын
Holy shit a $50 subscription on a 3k machine. That's insane.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Yup
@elizasneed799
2 жыл бұрын
I've been eyeing the Glowforge for a few weeks now and just came upon your video. I really appreciate your honest review on the product and hope you have found effective ways of getting around the issues that were stated. Best wishes.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
No laser cutter is perfect and there are always workarounds that are needed. I have been able to overcome most of them, but the overheating issue during the summer is still the most problematic. Thanks for watching!!
@yamiscutebowsbynallelysbow7327
2 жыл бұрын
very well explained but to late for me, i installed in my garage and is getting hot very often and stop working and slow production .
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear that.
@l3arrett82
2 жыл бұрын
i had no idea they would charge a subscription... thanks for leading me away from this.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
A lot of people are turned off by the subscription, just please keep in mind that the subscription is not mandatory... I have never paid for it
@ga1205
3 жыл бұрын
Very helpful. Thanks for saving me thousands. My shop is Festool and I’m considering an Avid CNC. Looks like the money will go to Avid and a potential laser attachment.
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
I'll trade you the glowforge for your AVID CNC haha!
@suzic3403
2 жыл бұрын
Im always looking for new equipment to help me with my art. Thank you for thus video. With the issues this machine has you have saved me lot of time and money as I wont be purchasing one.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
There are some other good options in this price range. I hope you find what you're looking for
@iBetThisNameWillWork
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! This was an excellent review and I hope glowforge pays attention to it. My dad really wants one of these and I was going to see about having the family pitch in to get it for Christmas, but after watching this I dont think thats such a good idea any more. He would be furioys about the subscription requirment for simple features. His shop is cooled in the summer so the cooling would probably be ok... but the camera issue and the subscription are deal breakers.
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
There are a few other options in this category of laser cutter. I know there are some people that have been pretty happy with the muse and the Makeblock Laser. I don't remember which ones allow for offline functionality though.
@robsiomkos5262
2 жыл бұрын
Im am an electrical engineer and I find the restrictions glow forge has put on you to be inexcusable. Best thing to do is not buy there product and put pressure on them to open themselves up. The waiting time for them to process your design reminds me of having to pay for a fast pass after paying admission to Disney. Between that and the restricted features in the software is nothing but extortion. You should report this to the better business bureau as well. I was looking for a machine just before Christmas and your video really hit home with me. I did not purchase one. So I hope this is noted to their marketing department as its costing them busness in response to theor shady practices and lack of correction to to the hardware....
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Several people have informed me that there are quite a few complaints that have been filed against the BBB. Thanks for watching
@electronicsandewastescrapp7384
3 жыл бұрын
This is the FIRST honest review I've ever seen of this thing. All of these issues were predictable before it was even out of the kickstarter but dissenting opinions were drowned out by gushing reviews from folks who got it free and... who never owned a k40.
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
I own a k40 as well. Because of the various things I engrave, I end up using the Glowforge and the K40 equally. But, if I was going to do all this over again, I would have bought the higher model k40 laser.
@Caspiebun
3 жыл бұрын
Which k40 laser would you reccomend?
@b767greg
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, you just saved me A LOT of money!
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped
@scottallen606
2 жыл бұрын
Very eye opening and insightful. Thanks for the review. The software and cooling are deal breakers to me for sure.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@BestMassageTech
2 жыл бұрын
do they still charge for the software? It appears on their website that it is now free?
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
No it's not free. They still charge $50/month as a monthly subscription
@collyn89
3 жыл бұрын
I am one of the original backers of the glowforge. I agree with basically all your points, I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone. The company has been absolute garbage from day one. My biggest regret is not canceling the order the first, or second or third or fourth or fifth time they delayed the original launch. On the bright side it looks like they have improved the camera, mine is usually off closer to half an inch. The day they announced the premium subscription I almost sold it. That was outright insulting to charge $50 a month for basic features when the original promised features were still missing. Just look at the difference between the glowforge software and inventables easel. Glowforge charges an absurd about for software that’s a tenth as good as their rivals
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of people disappointed with the machine and ecosystem. I hope they are listening to their customers' complaints... A lot of the issues can be fixed with software updates. For now, I'm keeping my fingers crossed
@53rdcards
3 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you for this vid, lots of info i didn't know about on this, like the monthly fee, that one was a huge wtf to me, and alone killed all interest in this machine. i knew about the online only software, but didn't know you had to pay for it after dropping $3 or $6 thousand for the machine. With the other issues you outlined I'm surprised this thing is as popular as it is. It doesn't deliver nearly enough benefits to overcome the issues.
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
Just to be clear, the subscription is optional. If you have access to design software and are pretty good with designing vectors, then you really don’t need their subscription
@inter-linked
2 жыл бұрын
Too warm to operate. What a joke. Not acceptable.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
It is frustrating.. Especially with Summer arriving quickly... again.
@learningwithcindy
2 жыл бұрын
Hey this video was amazing, and very honest I also want it to add that if you are starting and have never had a laser before , this is the easy way to go because of how user friendly it is. I know have owe 2 glowforge and an omtech 130 which when you use another machine you see the difference but I am thankful for glowforge because I learned and I have made a lot of income to pay each machine plus the bigger one. So if you are new to the laser world I think glowforge is the way to start , your video was on point and I hope glowforge watch’s it so they can improve it. Thank you
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback. and I agree, the Glowforge is pretty user friendly and is a fantastic starter machine for a lot of people. And I would gladly do a follow up video if Glowforge improves any of the issues I talked about. Thanks for watching
@DavidJJJ
2 жыл бұрын
That internet big brother watching everything you do and print would be an absolute deal breaker for a lot of people. I wonder how they get past that in their privacy policy.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
They probably have it outlined in their terms of service. And just an aside, they don't specifically say or state that they pass judgement or store user's designs, but they definitely have the capability to do so. Thanks for watching.
@IDeus
2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!! You saved me from wasting a chunk of money. That paywall piece is pretty scummy
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
The paywall is an inconvenience, but if you have experience designing images in other software it z minor annoyance. Thanks for watching.
@Bitwise1024
2 жыл бұрын
This is precisely how Apple would implement a laser engraver. I decline. Thank you, kind sir, for the detailed review. I shall continue searching.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Understood. Thanks for watching
@dylanjones8313
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks I was just about to pay out for the GF £6000 but I’m now going to re think my options and go elsewhere
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
There are some options in this price range and I think a few of them offer benefits that the Glowforge doesn't
@TedH71
2 жыл бұрын
Go with a Thunder or Epilog. They use USBs and programming is easier. No wifi needed. They also have more space inside the machines so you can engrave more stuff plus they do rotary stuff too.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
If and when I upgrade or change, I will definitely be looking at one of those other lasers
@farouqiamin7894
2 жыл бұрын
@@GeekBuildersNet You will never regret it if you buy and Epilog, the results are unmatched, they cost alot but for the most part worries free and excellent customer service, you can literally etch font thats 5pt into wood and read every single letter, pinpoint detail
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
@@farouqiamin7894 If and when I upgrade, I will definitely be looking at Epilog
@misspimake
2 жыл бұрын
@@GeekBuildersNet I would say Epilog as well. My uncle had a brick and mortar laser engraving shop in the 90s and I want to say he had an Epilog laser engraver. I worked there as a teenager and it was awesome.
@mariojaramillo1953
3 жыл бұрын
Yea ..... was ready to spend 6 grand on the pro this video woke me up thank you for posting it. You just cost them 6 thousand in sales I hope the fix all the things you told them to fix , otherwise this company is doomed. so thank you again for posting they make it look so easy and the family around the machine on the counter lol thanks again for keeping me from being a gloforge sucker!!
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
I hope you find a laser that fits what you're looking for. Thanks for watching!
@PacesIII
2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you need a Trotec.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@gmeardi
Жыл бұрын
I've a GF Pro and completely agree withe the nonsense paywall for the BASIC features. OK for downloading design for a subscription, this is fair. But NOT for rotating or mirroring an object, or drawing basic shapes to cut parts of spare materials. More, I agree GF should add the "test fire" method to improve the placement and accuracy of the design: the camera is simply okay... but not precise enough. For the rest, I love the machine, especially the Pro, that's better for cooling, speed and power.
@GeekBuildersNet
Жыл бұрын
Well Said. Thanks for watching
@Laserblade
7 ай бұрын
I have owned one for 7 years and never had a problem. Across that time the software has been updated with new features many times that makes the machine better than it was when I bought it. All of the premium features in the subscriptions are simple design tools that should be accomplished in your design software. I do wish the machine was faster.
@GeekBuildersNet
7 ай бұрын
I'm glad that it has worked out for you. I have a few Pros that I use at work and work pretty well for the most part. If Glowforge kept up with their R&D and did not force the always connected aspect of their machines, I would probably have stayed exclusively Glowforge. Thanks for watching.
@COddietsch
3 жыл бұрын
Good video, sorry though, seems like you are being extremely patient because it's very limited to your lifestyle. I bought a Makeblock and was simply wondering if your software was proprietary. If seems like the Glowforge will do really nice pictures and the Makeblock struggles with that. But I did not buy it for that. I can remove the honey comb grate, I have mine inside the house office, but I do have it vented. Can you use Lightburn with it? I ended up buying a Ortur Pro 2 as well.
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
I knew about some of the drawbacks of the Glowforge when I bought it, I just didn't know how much it would impact my workflow. As far as lightburn goes, no Glowforge will not run it.
@jonsaircond8520
Жыл бұрын
What I will say I like about GF is the marketing hype they generated qhen they came out. It got me interested in lasers and I had no idea how awesome they were. While what I decided to buy really isn't in the same playing field you it is all about what you are willing to do to keep a machine going. GF is sleek polished and doesn't need to much fiddling to work. My current laser is a 80 watt with a bed size of 24"X36" and can adjust the bed more than 12", but it is definitely more work to keep it going. It came barely aligned dirty mirrors and I spent over 15 hours to get it working like it should. You need to learn how to work the controller and know how the machine functions in every way. Mine is huge but even ones in the ballpark of GF are twice the size. Mine with a chiller shipped to my door was less than a GF pro and I've loved it but you will need to put in sweat and tears to get it properly working, whereas the GF is supposed to work out if the box. If your willing to learn and can accept the inital frustration there are options, but if you really want to just make things I'm glad there is GF to get people using lasers without a hassle.
@GeekBuildersNet
Жыл бұрын
I agree with everything you said. Thanks for watching.
@coalakida
Жыл бұрын
Let me just say as a 5 Year Glowforge Owner this is the first REAL Review I have herd and you hit all the NAILS 100% . The real problem is that if you were dumb enough to get into the glowforge ECH YUCK system its hard to get out. The internet, overheating, Camera Miss Placement , Server Down, and not being able to dry fire to see where you design goes is mind blowing, The Dan has his head up his ass most of the time , His lattest Dibocle the Open Forum window on every print is a Disaster , I hate it. With that said, the glowforge with an inline fan that you can contorl is the quietest setup of all the lasers as you can turn off the Main Fan and its super quiet its the only reason why I stay wiith the glowforge system.
@GeekBuildersNet
Жыл бұрын
Its good to hear form another owner that has had similar experiences. Thanks for watching
@OfficialGlitchLab
3 жыл бұрын
The one thumbs down is Glowforge not happy with you talking about pain points lol
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
The mere thought of that brings a smile to my face
@gremlin7900
Жыл бұрын
The biggest reason i crap on console players ( I'm a PC gamer for 13 years) is that the subscription each month to pay online. Absolute no end of discussion. And then you said the rotate function is locked??? I didn't go through 2 years of college using 20k machines that have been refined to be simple and effective at what they do... to this expensive machine, that is a hinderance to itself in the simplest ways, I havn't done that much research into lazers however i have found a lazer attachment on a router CNC for 1k. which sounds like a lot but at this point if the alternative is 3k and headaches... its almost a no brainer
@GeekBuildersNet
Жыл бұрын
Yeah... The subscription model is frustrating
@jamesalexander5388
3 жыл бұрын
Like you, I was taken in by the Glowforge marketing. If I had it to do all over, I would not have purchased the Glowforge. One additional issue, for us is the shipping. We are in Canada, and to bring in a spare door lid cable, which retails for about $20, ends up costing over $150 to get to my door. Because of this, proof grade material or spare parts are prohibitively expensive. I have already had to have a new cable installed, via warranty, but eventually, I will be forced to cover the cost of shipping. Surely Glowforge can arrange alternate shipping at a more reasonable cost.
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
I hope they can cover the shipping for you, good customer service might be the only way they're going to be able to retain their customers.
@ivanarrow7543
2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely tru. I have 2 GF one pro one plus. GF plus 2 time for one year broke. GF pro, after 2 years laser tube says good buy and GF replaced for $500 plus $200 shipping. After not accurate cutting and engraving I'll wait when this mashins pass away and I would buy different company mashin. Never more I don't want to see this GF in my house. Sorry English my second language.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@pillanhem
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review. My buying intentions kind of changed after watching. But after reading the comments. My mind is really made up. I’m not going the Glowforge way. I was actually on GF website with intention to place an order for the pro. Just wanted to check out some reviews if the Pro was worth the extra cost. Stumbled on your review and no I will continue to look for something else. Thank you and I hope it works out for you.
@GeekBuildersNet
Жыл бұрын
There are a lot of other laser companies that offer a whole lot more laser for the same price
@bclp52
Жыл бұрын
I brought a olm3 it has it's challenges but for machine and accessories I have paid 800.00 plus 60 bucks for light burn . You buy the program and it's yours , no monthly fee.
@GeekBuildersNet
Жыл бұрын
I use lightburn for my other lasers. I used a k40. laser for a few years before I. bought the Glowforge and might be going back to it. Thanks for watching.
@mcsilverninja9175
3 жыл бұрын
every design is screened by big brother glow forge? unacceptable. ty for info
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
I don't know if they actually screen each design but since the design gets sent through their servers before sending it to the machine, they definitely have the capabilities to do it.
@Lochnivar
2 жыл бұрын
Was about to drop 10k on two of these pro versions along with inline fans, stainless steel under tray to protect the cutting bed from chaff, etc...then I started seeing things I foolishly took for granted as being do'able actually being restricted. A) No use without an internet connection to their "Cloud". WTF?!?!? B) Not able to use DXF files. WTAF!!!!! Suffice to say I'm totally disappointed verging on incredulity. What were they thinking! Back to the drawing board for me or an industrial router. Hey ho. Any recommendations for a laser that doesn't put you behind a paywall etc? Thanks!
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Its is almost purely a hobbyist machine or a machine for people who only want to produce things for etsy. Thanks for watching
@karlsangree4679
Жыл бұрын
Interesting how different the review is when it doesn't start out with "Glowforge sent me $9,000.00 worth of laser equipment for free and now let me tell you why it's it best unit ever." Thanks for an honest and heartfelt review. The whole proprietary, cloud-based software thing gives me the heebe-geebes and is the main reason I'm not getting one. If the Internet connection goes down, you're dead in the water, right?
@GeekBuildersNet
Жыл бұрын
You are correct about the internet. No internet, no laser cutting. Thanks for watching.
@redditchscroller7049
2 жыл бұрын
I live in the UK and we cannot, yet, get the glowforge over here. I currently use a low wattage hobby laser with Lightburn software. After viewing several dozen YT videos on glowforge it just seems to me like a pretty basic 40watt laser in a fancy box. It seems very tied in to their own eco system with no options to use 3rd party software packages and the absolute killer for me is the need for a web connection and their insistance of using their servers to process your work. If Glowforge ever did come to the UK it would have to be a whole different type of machine for me to give it consideration!
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
That's good to know, I thought they were already in the UK. Thanks for watching.
@parkerstreasurescom2694
2 жыл бұрын
It’s a horrible build. I went thru 4 of them. They used a computer laptop fan for their air assist and will eventually light up. Get your money back. Why would you go from a k40 and not upgrade to an omtech 60 or 80. You would of spent way less. Sell quickly. Don’t get stuck with this junk.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
I explained it in my video, but it might be easy to miss. The Glowforge was something that my wife was pushing for since it has a lower barrier for entry than most k40 style lasers. I still have and use my k40. I've found a place for both lasers in my workflow.
@kariko07
2 жыл бұрын
Oh hell no.. $3,000 up front cost and then a subscription per month to access the software.. you can sling your hook. Pick your model… Upfront or Subscription based, combining the two is shocking and greedy!!
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
They have justified it for their business model, but they have a lot of disappointed users and the list is constantly growing.
@unicornconservationco
Жыл бұрын
I have had three big issues with Glowforge. First it would't focus, so they gave us a replacement. Next, the laser broke and we got another replacement. Now, a year and a half later, our lid came unglued and it will cost us $1600 to fix (after paying $6000 for the pro model). We are not happy and will be finding another laser cutter. I also agree with the problems with the paywall. I wish they had simple line and circle tools without the price - and paying to increase processing fee feels frustrating. Thanks for the honest review.
@GeekBuildersNet
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching. Sorry to hear about all the troubles you've had.
@rmt3589
2 жыл бұрын
This sounds like crap. I'd need to use this during work hours & need accuracy, probably within a millimeter. Plus the privacy issue is a huge problem, and the software doesn't sound customizable.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Accuracy is a huge problem with the machine and the fact that it is so locked down that you can't do a lot of operations that you can do with Lightburn compatible lasers.
@michaelkeymont501
3 жыл бұрын
I was never going to buy one of these - instead I spent $400 on a 5W diode laser and $60 on Lightburn and I couldn’t be much happier. Of course, my diode laser can’t cut through 1/2” plywood, but that’s why God invented CNC machines anyway. Just because a laser CAN cut through wood doesn’t mean that it makes much sense to do so. I can’t imagine how anyone would buy one of these. Great review!
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
Diode lasers are great for engraving and can often get a "darker" looking engraving that the CO2 lasers. But there are still a lot of people that use lasers to cut shapes, although this is only really effective for material that is 1/4" or less. I have a CNC for thicker materials, but rarely use it. Thanks for watching.
@dioangelizfigures806
2 жыл бұрын
I wish I would've found this video sooner. I purchased a Glowforge Plus. Because of the set up in my house it took me 3 months to set it up once received and it never cut right. I just always assumed it was user error. Since I passed the warranty I had to pay for replace it for a refurbished machine which I'm hoping works. I should've done better researched, save a little more and gotten a better laser machine.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
This problem is becoming systemic. I have a feeling that they've grown faster than they can handle and quality assurance has declined along with them spending more on marketing than updating and improving their product line. Thanks for watching.
@rrmin36
2 жыл бұрын
Paying for monthly extras is such a rip off for any product... Even buying a game these days, you know you aren't getting the whole game. It allowed software companies to triple the money they get for these things almost over night... Back in the day, if you bought a game, any future releases were included...
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Subscription plans are here to stay... unfortunately. I found out recently that a lot of companies are using subscription plans to help cover the cost of tech support and customer service. Not necessarily a justification for us, but a partial explanation. Thanks for watching.
@cmgdazzled
2 жыл бұрын
I have now had my glowforge pro for a little over 2 years and the laser is not working anymore. They want me to pay $1125 to send me a refurbished machine with a 90 day warranty and then I need to mail mine back to them. I also purchased the air filter when I got it. The filter was full after a couple weeks. At the time you couldn’t even replace the filter. Now you can for $249. The company only responds to email and when they do it they always send a letter for you to troubleshoot. Which you can find for yourself on there website. I have called them several times and you can only leave a message and nobody returns your call. I believe the laser tube has gone out and they don’t even sell replacement or any directions how to even replace it. It really is a shame because the concept is great when it works.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
I know.. and I feel the same. It wouldn't take much on their end to make it a phenomenal machine and experience
@MMMHOTCHEEZE
3 жыл бұрын
The only real thing going for Glowforge is how easy to use it is. Other than that it's significantly worse than everything else. It's slower, has less cutting area, a lot more maintenance is required, and it just isn't really that reliable in my experience.
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
I know it works for a lot of people and I'm glad they're happy with it.. I just think that for the cost, they could have addressed some of the simpler issues which would have made it a really killer machine
@mikegriff8372
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this info. I am looking at getting in this market, but the pay as you go is not cool. Also the garage I am in is not cooled so it would be useless for me in the summer.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
I have finally been able to start using my Glowforge in the garage this month because of the weather. When the conditions are right it works great.
@InspoAlley
3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the straightforward and honest 'user' review. I'm considering buying a GF but after watching your video, some of the issues/frustrations mentioned are now something I have to consider and think through.
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
Despite its problems, it’s still a pretty good machine. The machine cooling is my biggest frustration though. Thanks for watching
@rafaelt.4476
Жыл бұрын
Awesome video I really want to thank you for your input on the glowforge after watching your video you just save me a ton of money on not purchasing this machine. Keep up the great work.
@GeekBuildersNet
Жыл бұрын
There are a lot of machines out there that can give you even more power and features for the same price
@greggarman7343
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this review. Makes me so glad I decided not to get the Glowforge. My issue was price, but now that I am aware of these operational issues, my mind is at ease for not making the purchase.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@Sidnmd
2 жыл бұрын
Good review. This Company has worst marketing strategy, the software lacks basic functionality.that requires monthly fees.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
A lot of people are frustrated with similar issues.
@summarholman830
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your honesty. I think a lot of other videos are all about getting the sales and the money when someone purchases one with their code. Not saying I wont get one but I am going to way my options now.
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
I do have my referral code posted in the video description, but it didn't seem right pushing it in the video....#conflictofinterest
@kalilh9671
2 жыл бұрын
Ok this is gonna sound really weird but whatever gonna just go for it.... we have the same last name lol and just so happen to be looking at engravers... interesting too aside from the military everybody with the same name is Caucasian 🤔 I’ve found most in SC ... just out of curiosity i searched the last name on maps see if any town or anything named after us pretty interesting what pops up. Anyways enjoy the rest of your day hope this message wasn’t too weird
@bclp52
Жыл бұрын
The price stop me from buying, plus the small work area. there's too many limitations for almost 6k for the biggest one.
@GeekBuildersNet
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, you can get a whole lot more laser for that price from other companies
@davidlewin2744
3 жыл бұрын
A very watchable review. Well structured, well paced, informative and very well presented. Thanks for that; keep up the good work 👍🏻
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated. Thanks for watching
@craignichols4634
3 жыл бұрын
Funny that glowforge Is one of the commercials played about three minutes into the video.
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
I get so many commercials, its is funny.... Thanks for watching
@craignichols4634
3 жыл бұрын
@@GeekBuildersNet I appreciate your review because I was considering buying one. Thank you for telling us about having to be online and having to pay for more. It was funny that it was the commercial that they put on your review. I promise you. We appreciate you doing this review!
@SharonSaundersRealEstate
2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the stark honesty in this video. My husband is considering purchasing and he wondered about all these things you discussed. Your video talks about several considerations others have not. So very much appreciated.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@Kire2112
2 жыл бұрын
To me it looks like if you’re going to run a business where it needs to run all the time it’s a piece of junk. For hobbyists and light pro work it may get the job done for what I wanna do it’s trash.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
It's has been decent (not, great) at short production runs, but definitely not a 24/7 situation. Thanks for watching
@cindyspear1082
2 жыл бұрын
I would love a test fire. Like you I have ruined 😡 many a projects. They also need to let us know if the test fire is the top of the image or the bottom. Thanks!
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed... And I have a lot of failed projects for a similar reason
@MKSWoodcrafts
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely awesome review of the glowforge. Honest and informing.
@GeekBuildersNet
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Hope it was helpful
@doylelee4228
2 жыл бұрын
Thank You for the review! I was leaning toward the glowforge but not now. I will look at thunder, and AP.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@mblaber2000
Жыл бұрын
The setting to use an external carbon filter slows the fan. Low flow is needed to scrub smoke.
@GeekBuildersNet
Жыл бұрын
That is good to know. Thanks for watching
@SICKFREDO
2 жыл бұрын
My laser cooling fluid spilled during my move and they want me to ship it to them so they can add some fluid. They wont even sell it. This alone is a deal breaker.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
That sounds ridiculous. I wonder if you could look it up online and do it yourself
@Paul-The-Searchlightpiper
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. So what machine you would buy. I what to start up small business.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
I don't have a lot of experience with other lasers, but I would recommend at least looking into the Full Spectrum Muse and/or the xTool Make Block
@alg4633
2 жыл бұрын
You might want to check out the Gweike Cloud Pro - its a Glowforge clone without the dependence on the paywall; plus it includes many many more features.
@GeekBuildersNet
Жыл бұрын
I have checked it out. I'm very interested in the machine. I might be able to test one out in the new year.
@jkroiss
2 жыл бұрын
Bought mine been 4 days and won't connect to their website 7k paper weight and they got mad at me for reaching out multiple times
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear that. Remember that they only have a 6 month warranty, if you are not able to resolve the issue
@MaddBatReivews
Жыл бұрын
Xtool D1 or K40?? I’m looking to get into lasers but was looking at the Glowforge
@GeekBuildersNet
Жыл бұрын
Depends on what you want to do with it. If you want to primarily engrave, XTOOL, if you want to do a fair bit of cutting and you don't mind tinkering and modifying, then K40
@OneMHz
2 жыл бұрын
I can’t justify a $3k machine but I would love to have a laser engraver/cutter in my toolbox. Do you have a link to the K40 you use? Can it engrave metals (brass/copper maybe)?
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
C02 Lasers cannot technically engrave metals. But they can remove paint from metals giving the impression that they were engraved. www.amazon.com/Engraver-Engraving-Controls-Woodwork-DF0812-40RW/dp/B01EJDH1BO/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=k40+laser&qid=1639967100&sr=8-8
@sblack48
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the warning. Having to run all your projects through their servers is a show stopper for me
@GeekBuildersNet
Жыл бұрын
It is really annoying at times.
@nytrukr63
2 жыл бұрын
I am glad I found your video before I invested my money. I was looking at buying this to start a home based business. But after watching your excellent and in depth review. I will look else where. I am sorry you have these problems, but I am glad you were honest in your review.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching... There are several other lasers in this category that might be a better fit for you.
@RoyceKitts
2 жыл бұрын
I got sold on the hype as well. The interface is awful. But still fun.....eventually.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Thanks for watching
@criddyla696
2 жыл бұрын
Big Brother ... Privacy invasion, no go in this World, when will businesses learn.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Yup
@tazchillin
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this! I too have been wanting to try it. I think I will keep looking.
@GeekBuildersNet
Жыл бұрын
Best thing would be to find someone that has one and ask if you can test it out
@slapthekillswitch
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I will look at a different product. These business practices are unacceptable.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah... They getting called on it too with complaints to the BBB. Thanks for watching
@lynnreynolds905
2 жыл бұрын
This machine is not a good machine after getting mine it was not working correctly. You cannot get any customer service.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
A lot of people have had similar experiences
@carolinedompierre3101
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I wanted to get one, i'm an impulsive person, i see something i get 1 idea and decide i need the tool for it. I will not be getting one
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@dementedkitty2989
2 жыл бұрын
Hey, stumbled across this recently. Have had my GF since 2017 (bought in 2015 during the second campaign) and can attest to everything spoken here. Not sure you will see this since its been more than 6 months :) but eh. I was lucky enough to get the Premium access at 14.99/month as a founder. I still have it and probably won't end it. Personally, it gives me a free design each month that ranges in price from $10 to $25 or more to make up for it. Obviously, this is a poor selling feature for many other commenters. Currently, the biggest thing I agree with you on is that this is more of a hobby machine and not really a business machine IMO BUT that may also be because I really don't have the mindset for making it a business....? I am hoping to turn that around but like others, I have the issue of it not cutting all the way thru. It seems to me a lot like the Jeep issue I had: others have a great experience with Jeep, but mine could not be trusted.
@GeekBuildersNet
2 жыл бұрын
I think the premium access is decent, but not at its current price. $15 is probably more than reasonable for most people. Thanks for watching
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