As a result of discussions I remeasured the latency with the "positional inputs per second cutoff" set to 30 Hz. The result is 100 ± 33 ms and thus not statistically deviating from my initial measurement.
@geekonarium
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this detailed video. This has inspired me a lot. Also the collaboration of both of us helped me a lot to release some bugfixes :). One small thing I would like to note then nevertheless. It is not always best to turn the IR sensitivity all the way up, because reflections can also have a low brightness value and thus be hidden for the Wii remote when it is turned down. Of course it is best to remove reflections manually. This would then eliminate jumps in aiming more. I think this is very individual for each situation. In addition, it may not be the best for everyone to set the inputs per second all the way up. For computers with poor performance it could come to input congestion from the receiver (vjoy/mouse). But with your setup it had no effect, so your measurements about latency are correct :). Keep up the good work :D
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much =) I am very happy that I explored this fantastic piece of software! Concerning the sensitivity: You must have misunderstood. In the video I tell the same exact thing as you do. It's at 06:16
@geekonarium
Жыл бұрын
@@Boojakascha ah yeah your right xD now i got it ^^
@ginzuemulation9265
Жыл бұрын
Hey! Hello @boojakascha ! I am very happy to see you made a video on it!! 👍
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot. I saw your videos on the topic an loved them!
@ogarcadeinfluencer5016
Жыл бұрын
Nice to see such an in-depth review of the Lichtknarre software. I've always found your videos to be entertaining and informative. One of a couple minor comments, however, is that it is probably not necessary to manually pair the remote to the Bluetooth adapter in Windows. The software appears to look for signals from the remotes on occasion on it's own, so holding the 1 and 2 buttons down for 10-20 seconds with the software running, will almost always automatically pair them with the system and start them working. The other is that, while I have not tested this with external devices, I have felt no perceivable lag while using it for it's intended purpose. I would expect the amount of lag you found with your testing to be palpable. It's also important to note that additional lag will be introduced by vJoy, as well as the input processing code in any application being used. So, it may vary depending on the way the test is conducted and nature of the software being used. I've just recently started using the Lichtknarre software (4-LED mode only) and am quite impressed with the results. I am a bit of a light-gun snob, and considered only RGB CRTs to be viable options for shooting games. So much so, that I kept and cherished a 250lb beast of a huge 4:3 commercial CRT monitor for the last 25 years. I've tried many of the attempted solutions for LCD panels over the years, but none made me question that decision. All were expensive and many are too involved for the average person. And after all that time, effort and expense, there's still that cable hanging from the gun. The Lichtknarre approach, on the other hand, while not as plug-and-play as a CRT-based light-gun, is fast, as accurate (if not more-so once everything is calibrated, especially at screen corners/edges,) costs very little and is wireless! I'm still keeping the giant CRT, but it now has 4 little IR LED modules on it and I couldn't be happier. I'll probably still keep the PS2 and Guncon2's connected for authentic old-school light-gun gaming on original hardware, but Sebastian's program works so well that I don't feel that I need to. It's great to finally have a solution which "ticks all the boxes", regardless of the display technology. The gaming community owes Sebastian a huge debt of gratitude for this FREE software, even if they don't know it yet. But I suspect that by time proper word gets out about it, the software will have grown some more and become even better. I know I'll be watching with great interest because, as you might have already gathered, I'm a huge fan of the work he has done!
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your detailed comment =) For me, attempting to pair to Lichtknarre directly, without pre-pairing it to the OS once never ever worked. It’s not about lack of not trying; I tried plenty :P As Ginzu emulation discussed pairing in detail too, I had the impression it was the normal use-case. On lag: “Perceivable” is a very subjective term in the end. That’s why I strapped on a laser: To get objective, hard numbers. Millions of people game with Bluetooth devices on Windows. Does this make the Windows Bluetooth Stack any better? I don’t think so :D I also hope more people will give Lichtknarre a try. Hopefully my video will help to increase awareness to it.
@ogarcadeinfluencer5016
Жыл бұрын
@@Boojakascha Interesting. As a test, I just unpaired all of my remotes and removed all references to them from the Windows registry to make sure the system didn't know about them. I then used the 2-button method with Lichtknarre running and a fresh remote which had never been paired to the system, and within 10 seconds it was connected and working. But it's great that your review included the not-so-well-known method for connecting devices without a pairing code for those who might run into issues. As for lag, I'm very sensitive to it, and won't play games on devices which exhibit it. My comment was basically intended to indicate that it looks like a large number, but that isn't necessarily an indication of what a user might expect performance-wise in a use case scenario. As with anything, system performance and software, not to mention display lag, can and will have great effect on this, and it will likely vary. As I do my testing (and gaming) on a CRT, at least one of those variables is removed, so at least in my experience, I can offer a testimonial that lag is not an issue. However, as I stated earlier, vJoy has it's own inherent lag, so I would recommend not using it unless it is absolutely necessary for game compatibility reasons or if 2-player simultaneous use is required. Regardless, great job on the review. I'm sure it will help "spread the word" as I'm certain that anyone with even the slightest interest in light gun gaming already knows about your channel. If not, they should :)
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
I see, cool that pairing works for you =) On the lag measurement: The same chain (computer, monitor, laser, cam) measures the AimTrak as ~ 32 ms. I can't see any reason why it would go false on Lichtknarre and I am tempted to believe the measurements. I played with the mouse output plugin.
@ogarcadeinfluencer5016
Жыл бұрын
@@Boojakascha I'm not doubting the findings, only the relative importance of them. All the speed in the world is meaningless if the cursor isn't reliably at the place the gun is pointed, which is something I couldn't always count on with that device, and which is the reason it ended up on my shelf unused. And a small trade-off in speed is expected for a wireless device, which is perfectly acceptable, so long as it isn't perceived by the player or manifests itself as a hindrance to play. So far, neither of those has shown to be true in my experience with the Lichtknarre software and accuracy has been outstanding when the system and the games are properly calibrated. I also love that it never seems to change and it plays the same every time. People can get hung up on "stats" and miss the bigger picture :)
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
I agree. To me, a light gun enthusiast, Lichtknarre plays fast enough to be very enjoyable. Never have I ever found myself in a situation, in which I perceived the inputs as too laggy, when setting up Lichtknarre as I did. If I engage presentation mode and bad LED mode: Yes, then it's laggy, but that was never a point :) Still, I would place future support of 4250A-WML-C43 and J27H002 Wii Bluetooth boards as my number one priority.
@SipodshowTv
Жыл бұрын
excellent and comprehensive review / tutorial. Good work.
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! =)
@BuffaloSanta
Жыл бұрын
My question is does Lichtknarre allow you to use a wii mote with an existing Gun4IR system? Thanks for the in depth review and video!! Love watching these and seeing new light gun tech
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
Do you mean with the Gun4IR light dots? Lichtknarre wants its dots to be positioned differently. If the dots can't be moved to the Lichtknarre inverted cross pattern, there is a problem unfortunately :(
@BuffaloSanta
Жыл бұрын
@@Boojakascha yes!! Ok gotcha, thanks so much for clarifying that, might try and see if I can reposition my gun4ir lights in an inverted cross
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
or maybe just add two additional ones? That way you can do both, if you switch :D
@sppspharmdude
Жыл бұрын
Yeouch. Feels like the project was too ambitious and unfortunately yielded a sub par product. I appreciate you putting videos like this out there, helps us curious types from falling into holes and shoddy products. Hoping for sinden to make a ps2 adapter and maybe ones to other systems.
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
Are you sure you commented the right video? Lichtknarre is fine for what it is :D
@sppspharmdude
Жыл бұрын
@@Boojakascha haha I was writing this on my phone just as the ae light gun video finished and jumped to this one! This is definitely a fine product.
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
@@sppspharmdude I almost thought this happened XD KZitem Mobile is a disgrace^^
@alemdomisterio
Жыл бұрын
Hi, The left and right positions are reversed, with 2 or 4 leds, what could be happening?
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
The spots have no identity, but the sensor has an orientation. Can you rotate the Remote 180deg to see whether the sensor is flipped?
@alemdomisterio
Жыл бұрын
@@Boojakascha When I rotate left and right, the rotation occurs normally, but When I pull it to the left, it goes to the right. and vice versa.
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
@@alemdomisterio The mouse cursor or the preview indicator?
@alemdomisterio
Жыл бұрын
@@Boojakascha preview indicator, the two round marks.
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
@@alemdomisterio Then you don't have to worry, it's normal. Just go on to the mouse cursor and it will be fine.
@jackal27
Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Do you think you’d ever do a video explaining the the region locking behind Dreamcast light guns? I am looking to buy a couple, but it’s hard to know which Dreamcast guns will work with which games because the US games lock out support for the official Dreamcast gun by default.
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, I am glad you enjoyed it! I am not sure yet. I just own PAL Dreamcasts, so it wouldn't be possible to test compatibility first hand. I am aware of the gun protocol, but as the messages are very, very long, it would take a micro controller on steroids if not even a Raspberry Pie alike to spoof the communication, like I did in episode 110.
@ScarLeRenard
10 ай бұрын
Is the program only for Wiimotes ? Or does it also work with dedicated lightguns ? ( Like P99 and such )
@Boojakascha
10 ай бұрын
Official support is just for Nintendo Wii Remotes, but every third party controller I every tried worked. The P99 specifically works. It's what Sebastian uses in his own video.
@ScarLeRenard
10 ай бұрын
@@Boojakascha Alright, thanks !
@wettuga2762
Жыл бұрын
I just subscribed! I mean, a channel with 243 videos about light gun games/hardware, how could I not? By the way, have you ever made a review about the Sega Light Phaser to Sega Menacer / Konami Justifier adapters by Benrives? Since the Genesis / Mega Drive light guns are WAY more expensive, you can just use the Light Phaser light guns for both Master System and Genesis / Mega Drive. I've bought the parts but still haven't built the adapters due to lack of free time.
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much =) No, not yet. I have it open in my browser fro about 2 years now :S In the meantime he released a version 2 even, so I am not too sad I procastinated it. I am super intrigued by Ben's outstanding work!
@karimitchi9912
Жыл бұрын
Hello and thank you for the tutorial. Not being a handyman, is it possible to replace the LEDs around the TV with 4 usb bar sensors? thank you very much
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
Yes, that will work. Just paint or tape four halves of the bars =)
@karimitchi9912
Жыл бұрын
@@Boojakascha Oh awesome thank you very much!! So if I understood correctly I hide one out of two sensors on the sensors which will be at the top, right and left of the screen to only have 3 infrared signals in the end?
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
@@karimitchi9912 Yes, always one of two. But won't that leave you with 4 single lights? You would want to use either one intact bar (two ligths), or four taped/painted ones. You need four spots for the best tracking.
@karimitchi9912
Жыл бұрын
@@Boojakascha yes it seems to me a good alternative, then, as the sensors bars are not expensive on Ali express, it's worth a try. I will come back to give feedback as soon as I have received and installed everything. thanks again ^^
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
you are very welcome!
@JeffTan
Жыл бұрын
May I know the name of game demoed ? It looks petty well.
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
It's "Mad Bullets" It just costs about 2 USD on Steam, well worth it =)
@MaartendeSplenter
Жыл бұрын
I just tried the software using 2 candles, because I don't have a sensorbar at the moment, and it works! But it's still a Wii controller. I tried to play Point Blank 1 on PS1 (using Beetle PSX, input guncon) without the crosshair. I failed almost all stages. It was decent in precision, but if you have to move quick it cost time for the cursor to arrive at the destination. You have to aim, wait, and then shoot. Terrible for Point Blank.
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
Yes, the latency is about 116 ms plus what ever your TV brings to the mix (can be as high as another three digit number). If you can keep total latency at around 110 ms it's very playable for slower paced games :)
@MaartendeSplenter
Жыл бұрын
@@Boojakascha I'm using an low latency 144hz screen, it's just the mouse-like tracking that's annoying. I see other people have the same problems with PB and the better guns Aimtrak and gun4ir. I will leave Point blank on my PS1, Guncon + CRT setup, and take a look at MAME rail shooters. Also thanks for showing this Mad Bullets game, it's on sale on Steam now so I will pick it up.
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
@@MaartendeSplenter Both Aimtrak and Gun4IR in fact track faster than a typical CRT calibration screen. Deviations to that are down to user error :)
@chriss6942
6 ай бұрын
Super Video, super Programm! aber ich habe Probleme mit dem Dauerfeuer, der Cursor bleibt an der ersten Schussosition hängen, gibt es da eine Lösung? er zählt nur den klick aber nicht dauerhaft beim halten der Schuss Taste
@Boojakascha
6 ай бұрын
The program emulates a mouse, so holding the trigger would keep the mouse pressed and not pulse it with a classic turbo button. Does this make sense, or does it behave like it was just tapped once, even though you hold it down?
@chriss6942
6 ай бұрын
@@Boojakascha yeah i mean for Games Like Alien and hotd. The Automatic rifle keeps shooting but the shooted Position dont update. As it only updates every Time the Trigger is released. We should be able to Change it from a Mouse click to a digital click or remove the mouse click trigger and release. Otherwhise the aim Position keeps the same even you move the wiigun
@Boojakascha
5 ай бұрын
@@chriss6942 I see! Wow, that indeed sounds like a bug. I know Sebastian is still actively developing. I will let him know the issue and maybe he can resolve it =)
@chriss6942
5 ай бұрын
@@Boojakascha it also happen in time Crisis 5 basically in every game. The accuracy for single shot is Superb. Best way to use wii. Its great he could commercial this. Acutally this should be implemented in wiis but they only offer mouse joy pad style which has nothing to do with light gun Tracking. This Software is amazing!!! He deserve more Attention online !!!
@Boojakascha
5 ай бұрын
I got an answer: Sebastian is aware of the bug and he intends to fix it. He has ideas already, but it sounds that the topic is more sophisticated that one would think and it seems a fix will take some time.
@felizgatoarcades5313
Жыл бұрын
I tried this, my wii remote stops working after 1-2 minutes when i use this
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
When did you try? There was a recent fix of how the program saves floating points. Before that update just the 2 points mode worked for me, but not the 4 points mode. Now all runs fine for me :D
@felizgatoarcades5313
Жыл бұрын
@@Boojakascha I don't remember exactly, I think it was in March of this year. Seems likei need to try again
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
Super curious to hear whether it works for you now =)
@felizgatoarcades5313
Жыл бұрын
@@Boojakascha The same thing happens. The mouse cursor just freezes and nothing works
@Boojakascha
Жыл бұрын
@@felizgatoarcades5313 very unfortunate :( Thank you for trying again & commenting!
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