Interesting how you bring up comparing Kratos's actions to Robert J. Oppenheimer. Because in Ghost of Sparta, after Kratos carries his dead brother to his grave, I remember Kratos says, "By the gods, what have I become?" Zeus, disguised as the Grave Digger, replies with, "Death. The destroyer of worlds."
@bacondorito
Күн бұрын
That same quote is put in the sky as an easter egg in GoW 2!
@ShockwaveFPSStudios
Күн бұрын
Woah there, remember what Santa Monica Studios said. “There’s no such thing as a Norse Saga or a Greek Saga, there’s only a God of War Saga”.
@the7screw
Күн бұрын
God of piss saga when?
@enemy_ofthe_sun
Күн бұрын
There is no Dana, there is only Zuul.
@tim.noonan
14 сағат бұрын
Idk what’s more cringe, that quote or you believing it lol
@VV-ho8dg
9 сағат бұрын
Well, they were wrong
@ShadowPredator31
Күн бұрын
When I was a kid, I had a lot of rage issues from a highly dysfunctional family. God of War 1-3 was extremely therapeutic and I related very much to Kratos. Once I got away from home, I made a lot of changes and turned out pretty stable, happy and fulfilled. So getting to play the new games and essentially helping my childhood comfort hero do the same meant so much. Not gonna shit on anyone for disagreeing, but Holy Hell do I love 2018 and Ragnarok
@KolmManison
7 сағат бұрын
While I think conceptually GoW4 could have been a new fresh ip for Sony, I agree to this sentiment wholeheartedly. It was worth it to see Kratos having a semblance of happiness again.
@kennydarmawan13
Күн бұрын
I think the more accurate term would be: Both eras of God of War are important. Cause, afaik, ever since the Norse reboot of sorts, people are constantly ignoring the Greek era, to the point that media are using the Norse era Kratos as the definitive Kratos. While thinking the Greek era was nothing but poorly-aged slop. True, the Norse Saga was VERY needed. But we need to acknowledge the Greek era too.
@Zhtrik
Күн бұрын
Which is Ironic because Valhalla in a lot of ways is Greek Saga Fan Service. Not that it’s a bad thing, I think it’s good that Santa Monica isn’t throwing that part of the game out.
@kennydarmawan13
Күн бұрын
@@Zhtrik Yup. We do need to remember the Greek saga once a while. And realize the games there ain't some power fantasy.
@ShockwaveFPSStudios
Күн бұрын
Just as the games acknowledges the Greek Quadrilogy and the PSP Duology.
@super8bitable
Күн бұрын
They literally are doing that though. By default there are going to be people who ignore the Greek era because the Norse era is the most popular.
@DemiSupremi
Күн бұрын
The entire series builds off itself, the media, both the pro GoW and anti GoW crowds you see are ignoring this bullshit because the truth doesn't sell clicks. But yes, everything in the series is required to fully enjoy each game. Especially with Valhalla showing that the devs don't think old Kratos was worse but rather Kratos would ultimately evolve into who he is today.
@fink_rat
Күн бұрын
The Greek games were the tragedy, making who he is. The Nordic games were the recovery, letting Kratos undo himself and truly understand what he had been through, and most importantly how to heal from what had happened to him
@Bolbi145
Күн бұрын
I think the next god of war game should combine the Greek era gameplay with the Norse era storytelling and world building
@lightdarksoul2097
Күн бұрын
I don't know if they wanna do that the greek gameplay has a entirely different feel that wouldn't really be progressing the style. Like look at how the camera works in the older games compared to the new ones
@Bolbi145
Күн бұрын
@@lightdarksoul2097 maybe combine the gameplay styles to create something like Warhammer 40k Spacemarine
@Giuseppe_Camole_4073
Күн бұрын
I hope not, the gameplay from the norse games are just top notch to me, and I dont really like the Heck'n' slash gameplay. We already have 6 games with it god damn it!
@arnoldfreeman2885
22 сағат бұрын
I like the idea of Atreus having a full standalone game with vastly different game mechanics. Something like a arcady fast paced shooter
@Bolbi145
22 сағат бұрын
@@Giuseppe_Camole_4073 I like the gameplay too, but a lot of people prefer the Greek gameplay
@mentalcrowbar9434
Күн бұрын
A wise man once said (and I'm paraphrasing a bit) change is good, we're all different people than we were when we started, just remember all the people you were
@Comicbroe405
Күн бұрын
Is that from Doctor Who?
@ryantesorio9257
Күн бұрын
Doctor?
@mentalcrowbar9434
Күн бұрын
@@ryantesorio9257 👀
@gonhunter3994
Күн бұрын
@@mentalcrowbar9434 THIS change wasn't good, however
@mentalcrowbar9434
Күн бұрын
@@gonhunter3994in your opinion ye, I like the norse saga personally. I also love the original Greek games as well, and I'm happy both exsist.
@champlooSean
Күн бұрын
I personally love both the old and the new god of war games equally
@johnnywalker8282
Күн бұрын
Are there seriously people who hate the Norse games? They are genuinely up there with GOW 3 as the best games in the series and some of the best games we’ve gotten in the past decade at least
@lightdarksoul2097
Күн бұрын
The Mayo reviewer guy
@DoomUvb
Күн бұрын
@@lightdarksoul2097did you even watch the video
@AaronBiswas
23 сағат бұрын
I think Ragnarok is a good game not a masterpiece 8/10 tbh and valhalla makes it 9. Ragnarok feels okay but Atreus sections and final bosses are things I think could've been done better.
@joseijosei
Күн бұрын
Not even the person who created Kratos wanted Kratos to grow. The thing with GoW 2018 and Ragnarok is that now there are no limits. Nothing can NOT happen in that universe, and now they can jump from mythology to mythology. No direction they could have taken when there is an entire world to rebuild? Come on... A lot of things are better than "if it's the end of the world just get a new one". Nothing is out of the question now. Can Kratos end up meeting Ra? Maybe. I mean, why not? The gameplay is there for a wider audience. It's not a natural evolution of the hack and slash genre at all. In fact, the camera is one of the worst aspects of these games. Camera wise, GoW 2018 did it a lot worse than Ghost Of Tsushima. It shouldn't look like Dark Souls meets The Last Of Us with the way enemies move, and the amount of those we face. During boss fights? Perfect. The vast majority of the time? It's just annoying. Camera tweaks wouldn't be one of the most popular mods if this wasn't a problem.
@chandlerburse
Күн бұрын
I kind of have lost respect for whatever David Jaffe wants when he seems a little too up his own bum at times and he only really directed the first game anyways he had little power over where the series went after that somewhat
@jmanners
Күн бұрын
Camera-wise, I think Space Marine 2 does it pretty well. It's over-the-shoulder when you're moving around and aiming, but it goes into a more traditional hack-and-slash camera when you're doing melee combos. Maybe the next God of War can utilize something similar.
@tino9117
Күн бұрын
I mean tbf even during the greek era, they had talked about potentially having Kratos meet the Egyptian gods
@joseijosei
Күн бұрын
@@chandlerburse We are entitled to our personal opinions about the guy. I hold almost no respect for David due to his behavior towards Fritanga, but this is personal, and has no weight in the fact that he possesses an intimate understanding of Kratos as a character. He knows who Kratos is at his core and what he ought to represent, because he created him. The franchise was originally conceived as a trilogy, with David being really important for two of those titles, and contributing to even more. It is not as he lacked an envisioned conclusion or played no role in God of War 3. Kratos, as he exists in the majority of the series (before 2018), owes much of his development to David's influence. The narrative arc of Kratos, both as a father and a warrior, had a conclusion. The only reason we saw the rise of numerous prequels and the eventual creation of the 2018 installment is due to the franchise's unexpected surge in popularity. This is also why we ended up having so many Assassin’s Creed games, if you think about it. This is, already, a "what if' scenario". "What if we explore Kratos within the context of various mythologies?", which is something they talked about when they were working in GoW 3. There you have it. There is no goal here. There are no limits. We now just want to see Kratos fighting more gods, and they're probably going to find a good reason for that happening in the future too.
@joseijosei
Күн бұрын
@@jmanners Yes, that's a surprise too. A shooter did a better job than a GoW game with that.
@thebrodator
Күн бұрын
You gotta understand the point of view Jaffe is coming from. He envisioned God of War as a mix between Clash of The Titans and Heavy Metal (the animated movie and magazine). I remember that he did an interview a few years ago where he stated that if he did 2018 that he would have kept the emotional and serious parts, but also still included gory and sexual elements from the older games. I also think that his main issue is with Ragnarok and Valhalla, since I remember in the video where he stated his take that he did say that he liked 2018. Keep in mind I am not against the modern games. Even though I have my fair share of problems with them, I still ultimately like 2018 and Ragnarok. But I do feel that Jaffe's opinion is understandable.
@lightdarksoul2097
Күн бұрын
Dude is pretty ignorant and dumb just looking at the metroid take. I think he's just lost most respect
@CoolSaver
Күн бұрын
I think he actually liked Valhalla, i remember some tweet from him about it
@christophermercer8791
3 сағат бұрын
Almost everyone here is misinterpreting what Jaffe said. He did say "I don't want these characters to grow" but he clarified that he miscommunicated andd said he meant that the core characteristics that made Kratos himself were removed and that these aren't God of War games. He also stated that Kratos has been written into a corner and that he should be a side character; that Eric Williams was dealt a bad hand when making GoWR. Luffy from One Piece and Vegeta from Dragonball are 2 examples of characters that went through lots of development but their core personalities are still there. I think the real problem was that Cory Barlog didn't fully commit to the Norse Saga like he should've been more directly involved with and not thrown the old Greek games under the bus like he did.
@topcat59
Күн бұрын
Honestly I’m not a big fan of the gameplay for god of war and Ragnarok but I do appreciate the narrative decision they made for the series.🐱
@Krimson47
19 сағат бұрын
For me, my biggest issue with the GOW discord is that some people fail to recognize or respect the existence of the Greek Saga. Primarily, the way Kratos was depicted. He became a monster by the end of it all, but it is because of that we can appreciate the story told in the Norse Saga. Also. Personally, I like the combat of the old games more than the new ones. Maybe I will grow to love it over time, but that remains to be seen.
@ExtremeGameplays1
Күн бұрын
The thing is, I know you said that the problem is the people who hate the 'change' factor, but I feel like this video does unintentionally group the entirety of the different purpose hating into one circle. Again, only unintentionally. You say you're not talking about the quality of the product, but how can we go off of that when it is essentially one of the aspects that people hate? A lot of people that made peace with the Norse saga 'change' for GoW4... later hated Ragnarok (for reasons beyond the 'change to Norse'). And later loved Valhalla. The Norse saga got so big, where we're not able to say who hates it and for what reason. It's not like it's only one Norse game (anymore). The reasons for hating is also something that varies. My dislike for the new games (that mostly goes for Ragnarok at this point) is solely the game design. The games are only made with gamers IN MIND. The game design aspects I absolutely hate? Goes for every game, be it GoW or whatever other franchise. Some others? Hated the tone. Some hated the Writing of the story. Some hated becuz "GoW should've died with 3" that truly gives me the laughs. These people would NEVERRRR say that if GoW4 didn't happen. You'd have crowds going "Where GoW?" Good video. You're right that it had to change, but the hate is not purely for the change. It's for different things for different people regarding the quality, which you oddly did not bring up the quality.
@AaronBiswas
23 сағат бұрын
They need to make games shorter now. Ragnarok is way too big to play again which could've not been a problem if Atreus sections were skippable. Valhalla added much needed replay value to Ragnarok.
@ExtremeGameplays1
21 сағат бұрын
@@AaronBiswas Yup.
@KingArgos-s9q
20 сағат бұрын
My problem with Ragnarok is not that it's too long. But my primary issue with the Norse saga is that, there should have been another game before Ragnarok, where we could have focused more on the supposed dark side of Atreus and prophecy the fathers and sons ( which they dropped that plot point completely forgot some reason) or Freya hunting Kratos. It would have fleshed out things a lot better. My other issues with Ragnarok are that Odin and Thor didn't feel as impactful as Baldur, they tried to make them a lot more complex but I think the execution could have been better and personally I didn't find them as menacing as Baldur. The other issues have pretty much been stated by the community already that being the iron wood section, the final battle,etc.
@AmonRa_Stringer
Күн бұрын
Calling what kratos did to innocence in the past "Caladeral damage." Is crazy work lol
@lightdarksoul2097
Күн бұрын
He literally ended the world for a bit
@AmonRa_Stringer
Күн бұрын
@@lightdarksoul2097 ik but thats not caladeral damage lol that's more ruthless on purpose
@alexdurain3753
23 сағат бұрын
“Collateral”
@01ChaosWarrior
Күн бұрын
I honestly feel like the biggest "problem" is that there hasn't really been any God of War style action games since 2013. There were tons of God of War imitations in the 7th generation, which helped contribute to the series feeling stale, but there was basically nothing in the 8th gen aside from the remaster of God of War 3. Funnily enough, if they had gone with option 3, they might have been successful, at least for one game, as people had been given enough time without the series, and the gameplay style, to start to miss it. If there was a new IP continuing in the greek sagas shoes, then i think people wouldn't be as upset at the franchise evolving. Its similar to Zelda changing with Breath of the Wild. With classic 3d Zelda seemingly gone, where else are the fans supposed to get that experience? There aren't exactly a lot of big 3d adventure games like Zelda being made to turn to, are there? And while God of War has plenty of "clones", they are mostly stuck on the PS3/360, so fans can't easily get at them to get their fix. Basically, what I'm saying is we need a rerelease of the Castlevania Lords of Shadow games.
@AaronBiswas
23 сағат бұрын
Remake/remasters could help. I want the next GOW to be more like phantom blade zero
@ivanbluecool
Күн бұрын
Going backwards in kratos story is a bad idea when it was the greek side. The mid-quels were fine in giving extra detail to kratos and even showing his family and legend being formed just not ascension that was bad. The Norse saga can't be good without the Greek one. It has so many hidden details and plot connections to the Greek saga it's insane people think they can skip it. Some examples are mentioning kratos had a daughter. A brother. Athena zues the blades of chaos being a critical moment in the first Norse game showing how kratos has to keep soldiering on
@Charon569
Күн бұрын
Ascension had a bad story but as a game is incredible with great art direction and a very human Kratos. 10 years of service to Olympus and we could only come up with 2 games? What about a true start to Kratos' story? That's what I thought Ascension's story would be about. But as a epic poem type of game, it really feels like a journey while 3 is very much a video game.
@MetalGames95
Күн бұрын
You should search up God of War's alternate ending interview with David Jaffe. There was definitely a way to finish the series, and it was brilliant. There's still time to get something similar because at least we might get to see Kratos in several mythologies which was always an idea.
@AaronBiswas
23 сағат бұрын
I think his vision is still on board with some tweaks. I think he said in GOW 3 kratos would meet his counter parts from norse and Egyptian myths and they'll defeat all the gods of their respective mythologies. However now I feel instead of counter parts kratos himself will go to Egypt. I think I'll be fine with GOW franchise ending. Otherwise it'll just be a big mess to continue his story.
@VRHyoumaru
Күн бұрын
From a narrative perspective, I enjoy both the Greek and Norse games, but I consider the Norse games to be a lot less casual friendly gameplay-wise. I find managing both Kratos and Atreus/your partner character simultaneously to be a bit of a hassle and a bit of a barrier to entry if you're not good at on-the-spot multitasking, and I'm really not. I also feel that the Norse games are more fun to watch than they are to play, because they put a REALLY strong effort into making them feel like movies over gameplay.
@nazeirsvibingandstuff769
Күн бұрын
Gonna be honest I feel like God of war Ragnarok valhalla even though I didn't play the dlc but I feel like it's a good way to probably end kratos arc to be the god of hope than the god of Sparta or god of war.
@jayfeatherfan12312
Күн бұрын
People who play God of War because they are expecting nothing but an immature gorefest with no depth are playing the wrong series. It has always had depth, that's what drew me to the series. And i only really played 3 for many many years
@DoomUvb
23 сағат бұрын
Please show some evidence
@SPac316
Күн бұрын
I agree, by the time Ascension came out, the game series was getting stale. It wasn't a terrible game by any means, it just wasn't really necessary. So it was a wise decision for them to switch it up and give it new life while still making it familiar enough for old fans.
@MegaDrain
Күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="293">4:53</a> I didn't have that sentiment towards Ghost of Sparta, mostly because I played it on a psp. When you play the psp games on the ps3, it definitively can feel like a step down as well as Chains of Olympus feeling like a trial run. Ghost of Sparta is by all accounts one hell of technical masterpiece for the psp and when you play it that way(or any other handheld), you can appreciate the game for what it is instead of another backstory like Ascension is.
@Charon569
Күн бұрын
The only thing I didn't like about GoS was the need to copy a lot of 3's feel. CoO is classic GoW, fits perfectly with 1 and 2, and aside from story, Ascension is like an HD version of 1 or 2 as far as the epic poem angle with cool environments and a "nicer" young Kratos going on a journey.
@riokamichika1101
Күн бұрын
The way I see it, it’s less that the new God of War games are different, so much as they’re reminiscent of the “Sony Movie game.” I.E: Slow walking segments consisting of melodramatic cutscenes and clunky combat that tries to be “weighty.” Not that there’s anything wrong with that, I’ve enjoyed other games like Sleeping Dogs and Red Dead Redemption II, despite them also falling into the same cinematic trappings. It’s just that Ragnarok (as well as other big name Sony game, The Last of Us) doesn’t appeal to me, the same way more recent games, Stellar Blade and Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine II have. Just my opinion, though.
@claytonrios1
Күн бұрын
Astro Bot is a graveyard? Yeah takes like that are the reason that games journalism has the stigma that it has today!
@DoctorFail
Күн бұрын
I prefer seeing Astro Bot as "going back stage and seeing the actors with their make up off."
@claytonrios1
Күн бұрын
@@DoctorFail Which is obviously much more wholesome and accurate
@lightdarksoul2097
Күн бұрын
@@DoctorFail Actors who haven't been on stage in a decade
@DoctorFail
Күн бұрын
@@lightdarksoul2097 how do you know? they're robots and they all look the same outside of costume.
@lightdarksoul2097
Күн бұрын
@@DoctorFail The literally costume what are you even talking about.
@Comicbroe405
Күн бұрын
Yeah I mostly agree with the title. I love Ascension but can see how to bring the series to a bigger audience they decided to change a lot of the basic stuff we loved about the Greek ones. I'm hoping the next games completely changes up again.
@ivanbluecool
Күн бұрын
Norse saga is basically what happens when the final boss is slain and we actually see what the characters do. Not many stories let you continue onwards with someone. In the hands of a lesser company kratos would be a side character and used as the IP to bait people. Here we see how kratos is still relevant and slowly being moved to the back as his story is finding it's conclusion naturally Only other time I see this happening is tales of the abyss where Luke Fon Fabre goes through so many plot reveals in the prologue when his hair is long. Then he has to live with what he did and make the journey just better in general Last not playable but nemona in Pokemon where she is already champion and has nothing to do. That's where we come in and basically act like a post game for her to go all out.
@Charon569
Күн бұрын
Ironically, I feel like they did exactly that. Use GoW to tell a whole other story that Kratos takes a backseat to in the Norse saga, he feels like a guest character. I don't hate the Norse games, but if it wasn't for Kratos I wouldn't have played them. His story ended in 3, we didn't need to see anything after that honestly. He has moments in 2018 with his son, just exists in Ragnarok, Valhalla was what I consider to be a truly Kratos-centric story. Him losing his wife is whatever because it's not like she was killed by Aesir or something, just a convenient Giant-killing sickness. A retread of a sadder story told back in 2005. The character moments in 2018 are good but Ragnarok, man it's Marvel-tier and idk what happened. I get the whole point is "GROWTH: The Game/Last of Us Norse Edition" but it could've been done in a better way, Valhalla is more what I was expecting for the Norse games. I do like the angle of forming a better bond with the kid in 2018, but why would a Kratos who has accomplished his revenge and gave Hope to mankind, be so closed off? Even 3 Kratos had a soft spot for Pandora who he barely met, and his own son he has a "strained" relationship? Anything for the story I guess.
@Carsonj13
Күн бұрын
All they did was make the camera fixed, remove the jump, and... that's about it. There are a lot of slow moments with handholdy level design...
@07rayrod
20 сағат бұрын
All i know is kratos is god of war. They make atreus main protagonist we riot. We want more god killing in Egypt
@JammyONE
Күн бұрын
Just wished the new God of War played like the old God of War.
@nomado.3855
Күн бұрын
Both eras are amazing, because we saw the worst from the Ghost of Sparta but we also saw the best from the new God of Hope, I'm glad that this is my third favorite franchise (Behind Zelda and Metroid) and I'm glad to see Kratos growing up not only as a god, but as an example for all of us that we can become better.
@matti.8465
16 сағат бұрын
I can picture a timeline where the plot of the Norse Saga was just "Kratos starts a new family. Odin kills them. Kratos goes back to his old self and destroys a new pantheon".
@travit666
Күн бұрын
I enjoyed the Norse saga It was more about showing that just because kratos was a monster before it doesn't mean he still is he is something to fight for now something to make him strive to be a better man and it made sense in the context of most of the fans of God of war the original trilogy are all adults now they all have children of their own they're all going through raising their kids to be better than they were which is exactly what kratos is doing it's a nice parallel between the fans of old
@Charon569
Күн бұрын
That struggle to be better is in more of the Greek saga than not, people just aren't familiar with those games and make assumptions about those games and Kratos that they're mindless and he's a complete monster based on 2nd hand opinions.
@Hitomora
Күн бұрын
I agree that while i respect Jaffe for creating both GOW & Twisted Metal, lately he seems to be bitter about someone changing his character (for the better might i add). It seems like Jaffe just likes his characters to be hyper violent Psychopaths
@BluddMaridia
12 сағат бұрын
Ultimately, I'm not sure what more story there is to tell with Greek Kratos. We know everything about his life: His childhood with his brother, his early days as a spartan warrior, his pact with Ares, his time as the God of War, Zeus's betrayal, and he already got his revenge on Olympus and killed everyone who ever wronged him.
@ArmaBiologica35
Күн бұрын
I feel like what I'm gonna say is kind of an ignorant take but not necesarily without merit. I think people's issue with the game is that it kind of felt like they were throwing the identity of the series trying sooooooooo hard to be like "The Last of Us." That's not necesarily true but there's enough paralels not to make this comparison.
@bacondorito
Күн бұрын
2018 led me to discover the Greek saga. For that I'll be forever grateful. Just turns out that I love the Norse games just as much! To me, SMS hasn't missed, yes, even including Ascension. But that just may be because I didn't have to wait 3 years for it.
@YungGxth
13 сағат бұрын
I always knew of the Greek saga but ive always hated hacknslash games so i never had any reason to play them. Then i checked out 2018 and loved it so i decided to check em out and play them. I love them all except Ascension(hated that one, but it looks really nice). I think i like the Norse saga a bit more for personal reasons but i still think the Greek saga is great and god of war 3 is one of the best games ive ever played.
@alexs7670
23 сағат бұрын
"Like it or not, your vegetarian dish needs steak" What a bozo😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@oldman5247
Күн бұрын
Honestly the only thing I want now from The God of War saga at this (I do agree that The Norse God of War games weee a necessary change of pace. For this franchise by the time we got to God of War 4.) point. Would be a definitive ending for the character of Kratos. Cause technically we had a definitive ending for his story. THREE TIMES! The first one was the ambiguous ending of God of War 2005 when he is sitting on Ares throne. Looking after the soldiers of all future wars. God of War 3’s where he tries to kill himself. Then Valhalla with Kratos fully accepting his past and moving on. Just let his story end already!!!
@NomadMonkey396
Күн бұрын
It did. I blame the fact that Norse is a little bit overdone. I personally am more of a fan of Greek mythology but i do like Norse, they already did pretty much everything with the greek games aside from a few minor things. The opposite of the Norse games funny enough, I feel them being 2 games was not enough. I'm excited to see them go with a mythology that's not tackled often,. I'm hoping for Egyptian mythology, I think they could do something really cool with it.
@lightdarksoul2097
Күн бұрын
They already did egypt in the comics and Kratos had no reason to fight them as they helped him
@NomadMonkey396
Күн бұрын
@@lightdarksoul2097 wasn't aware they made comics.
@LeeFox1337
Күн бұрын
Dad of War was a great story. But the gameplay was not it. But I get the feelings about it. When a story has reached it's natural conclusion doing this can cause problems. It's the problem you get with shows that go too long. At some point its gone on too long. GoW unlike Jak and Daxter, Sly Cooper, Ratchet and Clank had somewhere to go narratively that didn't need retcons or major personality shifts. I don't think Dad of War with Kratos is/was a necessary game. Because to me the most interesting parts about it aren't the gameplay.
@nazeirsvibingandstuff769
Күн бұрын
To be honest, even though it's a scary thing sometimes but for me I'm scared of changing but it doesn't mean you can't forget about the past but you can't stay in the past either the more you stay in the past you'll never be able to change as an individual the best you can do always be here the now and be here then, enjoy your life with a purpose and change new things to be able to change as a person not consumer wise but by changing how you view yourself and view others,even the world and your actions so you can grow as a person even though there's no such thing as second chances but always remember their is still Hope ( am I right to explain my thoughts?).
@tino9117
Күн бұрын
Really happy to see this kind of video, also a wonderful amount of viewers sure didn't like seeing this take
@erikbihari3625
Күн бұрын
Then, only myself who actually likes ascension? Allright, just checking. Although;fact that Dante's inferno came out but three years before, could've evidenced this gameplay style having longevity!
@Comicbroe405
Күн бұрын
Nah I'm there too.
@erikbihari3625
Күн бұрын
@@Comicbroe405. Thanks. Who could deny good hack and slash title? Open worlds are such slogs!
@Comicbroe405
Күн бұрын
@@erikbihari3625 Indeed. Unless they're like ER I love that one.
@erikbihari3625
Күн бұрын
@@Comicbroe405. The guy who slams korra? That guy can drop the bars(last jedi)!
@Comicbroe405
Күн бұрын
@@erikbihari3625 Nah I meant Elden Ring 😭
@jaccblacc8424
Күн бұрын
Another banger video. Thanks Bacon! This is what I had in mind for a long time. Here's my comment (first half taken from another video of another channel I commented on) For the longest time, I thought GoW3 ending is basically SMS telling us that GOW series is over. Think about it. The Greek saga was about a story of a guy who's getting revenge on people who wronged him. Outsiders who aren't fans believe Kratos kill gods for fun or because he hates gods just because or something like that when we all know that's not true. There's a reason. After GoW3, Ares, the guy who started it all, who made him kill his family by accident, is dead and Zeus, the guy who betrayed him and did other things like kidnapping and torturing his brother, erasing Sparta, and cursing his mother into a monster is also dead. So now what? What else is he gonna do? It doesn't make sense for him to go after other gods from other mythos because they didn't do anything to him. Kratos killed everyone who wronged him and now there's nothing else to do in his life. He destroyed the Greek world and Sparta with it, so he committed sumo-slide. And when Ascension came out and when they said it was a prequal, I said "Yep, GoW is done." Hell even when they started GoW4 in 2014, they didn't want Kratos until Cory stepped in and convinced the team to keep him. This is why (and although the fanbase is split about it and some dislike it) I believe what Cory and SMS did to Kratos in GoW4 and Valhalla (not so much in Ragnarok) was the right move. I've seen people criticize the character change from 3 to 2018. It's understandable. For me, the change make sense. I don't it like from gameplay perspective but it's way too good from story one. This hate mostly comes from gameplay prospective. Kratos' personality in the Greek games was mostly based on his aggressive and violent gameplay, specially the grabble mechanic (Elements like the tragic backstory was later given during development after his design was finalized). People think that this change removes the fun factor of Kratos. You know, controlling a lone-wolf, an unstoppable force and causing mayhem whenever you go. The trilogy made you feel like a god. This is something I agree and disagree. I can see that adding Atreus and supporting cast when the older games didn't really have that kinda ruins the "lone-wolf" vibe of the character and games, for me it really doesn't. Kratos is still, to himself at least, a lone-wolf. He's mostly silent and can do these aggressive finishers to enemies (like the one were he rips the skin off of a wolf). But the problem from me is that Kratos can't go too far. Like, I can't imagine this Kratos doing Hercules dirty like he did in GoW3 or slamming Theseus' head with the door in GoW2. It's messed up but it's fun and that's something I don't see modern Kratos do mostly because the devs or writers don't want to ruin what they established. Heimdall and Magni are the closest we've ever gotten to Kratos being that bastard, but it's from a story perspective and not gameplay perspective. You MASH the button to perform these executions on Hercules and Theseus, which makes it more satisfying for me. In fact, I liked Valhalla the most because it was just Kratos (there's Mimir but I don't mind him. He's a homie) His character shines from story perspective. I'm against the people who say Kratos was one dimensional because he wasn't. And one of your videos talking about it proves that. The guy got what he wanted in 3 but at what cost? People criticize him having a family confuse because he always had one. Kratos, his mannerisms and personality in the Norse games is the exact same from the older ones. He doesn't talk too much and he's a massive loner. He's different because he's not that pissed anymore, and why should he? He's going through the best years of his life and all of the people who wronged him are dead. It's a beautiful redemption story imo Another thing, you also have to keep in mind that Sony was milking the series as much as TLoU nowadays (although unlike TLoU, there were more two games). From 2005-2015 there was 4 console games + 1 mobile game + 2 portable games + 5 remastered games + Kratos as a special guest character in MK, SoulCalibur, PS All Stars and many more. I remember many considered Kratos the Mario or Master Chief of Sony from this amount of milking and marketing. And by 2014/2015, when a concept art of GoW4 was leaked I remember many comments of people being really sick by it like "Oh look, another GoW..." After all of that, of course you're gonna get kind of sick of GoW. Specifically when most of the time, the story and gameplay (not aspects like weapons and physics, but the general aspects like the gameplay, camera, weapon upgrade, etc..) stayed the same in all of the 6 games. What they did imo was a smart choice. I do have criticisms of the Norse gameplay (mainly the weapon upgrade not being as simplistic and the RPG elements being confusing) but overall, it's all good.
@forever0forever
Күн бұрын
"whether you like it or not, something needs to change." Eh, I liked ascension, and IMO the reboot goes a little too far off . Also youre talking like the old style of gameplay wouldnt work, but DMC 5 exists you know.
@super8bitable
Күн бұрын
God of War has more games than DMC does and didn’t innovate the gameplay that much at all.
@lightdarksoul2097
Күн бұрын
Pretty sure the norse games did better than DMC 65 though
@NGXA
23 сағат бұрын
The Valhalla Edition is like the Crew having a one-on-one with fans about *the road so far* ...among other things. We now KNOW some things for sure without assuming.
@nightowl5332
21 сағат бұрын
Honestly, the Norse Sagas main issue is that it doesnt properly explain how Kratos overcame his demons and learned to allow himself to love (talking in the case of Faye). It sorta feels like a timeskip we should've gotten after something else (i.e the journey from inbetween sagas).
@justaguyandadog2984
Күн бұрын
Life long god of war fan here, ragnarok is my favourite entry on the franchise "im not considering 3, 3 is my special boy, i would kill for 3" the fact that directives at santa monica had the balls to change their golden goose and change it so much is respectable
@DinoDave150
Күн бұрын
I've said it before and I'll say it again, God of War 2018 is the Resident Evil 4 of the series. It's an installment that completely overhauls the gameplay and acts as a soft reboot as the original formula was played out by that point.
@CoolSaver
Күн бұрын
Interesting take, I'll sure remember it. I guess the time will tell if this is true then.
@codyd13
Күн бұрын
GOW 4 truly did something incredible with this story and character and so did the Valhalla DLC. This was always the right choice, although the first GOW game still has the best story out of all of them would love to get the original games on ps5 so I could play through them all the way through again.
@mudshrooze
10 сағат бұрын
THE Norse Saga is my favourite part of the GoW story line. And I grew up with the OG 3 games
@vinegar4556
Күн бұрын
My problems with Nu-GOW have always been twofold. I find the combat plodding and unsatisfying with painfully unengaging puzzles and that oh-so-lovely sin of extended unskippable walking sequences, so the gameplay struck out, plus I find Norse mythology boring so the story was never going to hit. The gameplay is definitely the main problem, though. It just feels restrictive in ways that take it too far from the classic series to be appealing for me. It's one thing to innovate and iterate, but it's another to become unrecognisable; that's what DMC 5 got right and Nu-GOW fails at.
@notarealspy4090
4 сағат бұрын
Ngl, this entire video is abit of how i feel about TBP and what came before TBP, there was something about that Previous Channel/Life that i found interesting and worthwhile, especially the Legend of Dragoon Review, I go back to that video every so often, though that channel is unfortunately never going to see the light of day again, i am still glad to stick around for TBP since every video, both past and present, has felt like care was put into them, the total opposite of pumping out slop basically I may not understand why what happened took place in the past, but even if something had to go between then and now, i sincerely do enjoy TBP and what came before
@CoolSaver
Күн бұрын
I love that intro 😂 I don't agree it's mid, but i sure do that it wasn't necessary. If anything, Ascension makes lore more confusing with all the oaths and stuff, which of course wasn't a thing back when GoW 1 was in development. <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="39">00:39</a> - Okay, i think if even the devs themselves admitted it, it really is objectively not good. Still like it though. <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="192">3:12</a> - True! My thoughts exactly when i first watched that trailer. Like, what is this, is it a reboot? Okay... It's a CONTINUATION?! NO FUCKING WAY! Please let me know more about it 😅 <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="280">4:40</a> - Great point. That's why we feel so excited about something like the fight with Heimdall, because things were turned down for a while prior to that. So we can still enjoy what we were enjoying without experiencing a glut. But there's some things where you can go (but not much), like destroying the whole existence of all Gods is one example, but it's better not to waste such ideas until the right moment, like the proper ending of the franchise. <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="418">06:58</a> - I love there's references to his persona in GoW II and GoS. «Death. The Destroyer of Worlds». So good for the character of Kratos at the time. <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="660">11:00</a> - So true, love this scene. Some people say it's kinda out of character for Kratos to talk this way, but come on, it's literally his thoughts voiced. And for me it's believable enough that he thinks that way. <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="947">15:47</a> - Oh, man, there's a lot of people like that sadly. Or at least they're the most loud. Everytime i scroll through comments on GoW posts at the overall gaming community, the majority of people is like: "Yeaaah, the old GoW? That's the REAL GoW. There was gore, and sex, and violence, that's what made it real. And new Kratos just whines all the time, it's so boring, they made him so weak now". Like, BRO. He "whines" at the very first cutscene of the very first GoW game 😂 You sure you know the series enough to make statements about what's real and what's not? Great video! I think i agree with every word lol. And you pointed out some interesting things, like the fact that Kratos' redemption question is brought up but never still answered, i think because he to himself cannot answer it as well, and that's just a great writing that makes you feel the same as the character you're playing with. People often forget how the whole situation about GoW felt around 2013. I remember it, but it is easy to forget now, after the success of 2018 and Ragnarök. If any game was close to killing the series, it was Ascension sadly, and not any of the Norse games.
@DoomUvb
Күн бұрын
Dmc5 has great gameplay and great story
@ci7210
14 сағат бұрын
Yeah after killing the Greek Pantheon why does Kratos need to be angry anymore. Him trying to move on and try to raise a new family is a natural progression for him
@utuberz123456789
Күн бұрын
Am I crazy or did the bacon in the intro sound... juicier than usual
@thescorpion575
19 сағат бұрын
Maybe I'm a special case but I also like the Norse Saga and I'm happy it is like that now because the series grew with me. I'm a big fan of the God Of War series in general and I've played all the games since I was a kid but TODAY if I saw a game in the "old God Of War" style I wouldn't be interested, while a game like the new God Of War has become in the past years the type of game I like (even though I didn't really like those parts where I was like "Am I watching Guardians of the galaxy or playing a GOW game?")
@DeathXtremeHaseo
Күн бұрын
The thing is some things that are described as "evolution" that don't really apply. New GOW is not a hack and slash (the definition of a H&S seems to be heavily watered down in recent years), has RPG elements, cutscenes are longer etc. It's an ARPG (ARPG also seems to be more watered down lately). I wouldn't say it's like souls either (you don't get XP you can lose from enemies, no "bonfires," no sequence breaks etc). The reason I prefer old GOW is it's more basic but also more skill based because it doesn't have the RPG elements that gate you (upgrading armor, level, materials, skill unlocks based on story). Don't get me wrong, I like that stuff usually but in more traditional games, I don't like mixing action games with RPG elements (Example; I think Wukong suffered from actively having RPG elements because they were "soft")
@erikbihari3625
Күн бұрын
Now for another question;"would the game get the same reception with different mythologies"? Seriously, there are many myths that would not only reinvent the franchise, but underutilised!
@nathanlamberth7631
Күн бұрын
That’s sad that traditional reporters’ only up side is that they have access to greater resources.
@christhun6053
20 сағат бұрын
I had a thought recently. Maybe a way to take the game back to its roots in terms of gameplay would be have a spinoff shift focus onto tyr and his arc of learning to become warrior for peace.
@deusgamemaster2242
Күн бұрын
Unnecesary change
@PurposefullyIneloquent
22 сағат бұрын
Counter-point. The series could have ended after 3. It's okay for franchises to end.
@Charon569
Күн бұрын
Yes, it needed the Norse saga because 3 ended the story, and they couldn't come up with a good prequel story even though there's 10 years of service to the Gods that could've been covered. Maybe do a game where you play as regular Kratos and then lose to Alrik and go from there. Ascension had a weaker story due to lack of creativity, but the game itself was awesome. It felt like 1 and 3 had a baby, with some great art direction, and a more sympathetic Kratos as opposed to the beast he's portrayed as in 3. Money is the real goal, because we didn't NEED another GoW, the cliffhanger in 3 is good because you can just come up with whatever you want happened to him. Norse saga might as well be a different series featuring Kratos as a guest character. There's some good stuff in those games but they never really made me feel like I'm playing God of War and I wouldn't play them if it wasn't for the connection to the old games. It's really made for a wider audience that didn't like the old-style hack n slash gameplay, and we get a game where you control Kratos like he's a turret and have to aim his attacks while the camera is too close to comfortably fight to a level you could in the old game, and can't even jump. And don't get me started on the writing.
@DanialTarki
Күн бұрын
Like it or not, God Of War NEEDS The Egyptian Saga. As in one that expands upon Fallen God but takes place after the Norse Era.
@lightdarksoul2097
Күн бұрын
Wasn't that in the comics
@DanialTarki
Күн бұрын
@@lightdarksoul2097I just mentioned Fallen God.
@LegendaryFoundingTitan
8 сағат бұрын
This Video surprised me had alot of very good points/arguments as to why we needed the Norse Saga and as someone who prefers the Norse saga of Kratos i felt alienated by the fact that alot of older fans would hang you for preferring this new style of god of war. People even Hate Atreus with a burning pashion to the point that it makes me wonder if Atreus will even come back or will it just be Kratos by himself again 4 me i cant see a game without either one of them. Anyway back to the video something you said made me realize things that didn't even occur to me like how Kratos really couldn't of gone anywhere else with the story in a interesting way that is. Ill say you definitely had a risk in posting the video cause of how the fan base has divided but your video for sure stands away from the crowed with real good points well done Sir!
@felman87
Күн бұрын
I think Ascension would've been a bit better received on the Vita. Less expectations on it.
@liuwang9899
21 сағат бұрын
I respectfully disagree
@Sam-fr1kr
Күн бұрын
But why change the gameplay so much? Will never be as good as the greek GoW.
@پوریاصحبتزاده-ب3ب
Күн бұрын
By the time of Chains of Olympus, People has gotten tired of the formula. The only way out was to make it more bombastic, Which was impossible since they had gone all the way through Greek. Making you lose your powers AGAIN, for the 3rd time in a row in the mainline game only to have to work your way back up without a change in gameplay would've pissed people off. With Norse, You could justify the regression as while Kratos hasn't gotten weaker, The player is in a new environment and more willing, And most importantly in need, of time to adjust, Until they can learn the new things that can be offered. The problem became that with this new perspective, They still treated the hits like the old games, With the hits not getting the impact (I.E Stunning the enemies) to make it worth the loss in vision and style the previous games had.
@Comicbroe405
Күн бұрын
In your opinion tho. They seemed take a lot more inspo from the Souls game.
@cheekibreeki904
Күн бұрын
Long story short, that's exactly why.
@clipsdelosmajes
Күн бұрын
You should have seen how much people got tired of that type of gameplay.
@MJ-qs4km
Күн бұрын
There was literally already 5 games at least of him doing the old style. It needed some fresh air. Also the gameplay changed because the Kratos in the Norse world is not the same man as the one in the greek. Greek was a lot of hack and slash, representable for a man led by hate, anger and vengeance. The only thing on his mind was to make others hurt. Norse was for the changed man. Family man. The man who thought before he acted. Which led to the puzzles, divide and conquer fights (locking on 1 enemy at a time), and slowed down pace. He at this time cared for himself and the people around him (particularly his son).
@shaneweasl
Күн бұрын
No it didn’t. It could have ended at god of war 3 and would have been fine. It didn’t ’need’ anything imo
@kasaibouF29
Күн бұрын
It's not like Ascension wasn't innovative. It was the franchise's dip into the multiplayer craze back in the early 2010s, and when compared to something like Call of Duty, Ascension's Multiplayer was ambitious, and it worked.
@ccbonbon1
Күн бұрын
Would make WAY more sense if the bacon was finished cooking at the end of the video. 🥓
@DanielSilva-cq6vz
Күн бұрын
I think the combat was a huge step back, and the bosses just prove it. Bosses fight in the new era ain’t even 5% as cool as gow3
@XpertGreekGamer
Күн бұрын
Before i start watching, obviously the change in tone or scenery was NOTHING but a good thing. It already started happening with Ascension and thankfully peaked in depth with 2018. Like i said, despite it's mediocrity it at least gifted us with some GOD tier scenes. The normies ate it up regardless, so that's a good thing..for Santa Monica. Thankfully it did numbers so that we keep getting a few god tier scenes here and there but none of the criticisms that Matthewmatosis brought up were addressed, they were made worse in some cases and the best part is...THE OFFICIAL SANTA MONICA STUDIOS TWITTER ACCOUNT REPLIED TO MATTHEWMATOSIS SHARE OF HIS VIDEO STATING THAT HE GOOD. (or smth, to haven't re-visited that tweet in a while) They must not care or have their pretentious head up their own Egyptian mythology next? Not in a poor man's Bloodborne type gameplay please and thanks, at least give us a good camera i beg 🙏
@sketch9777
Күн бұрын
Yo bro love from India 🇮🇳
@RetroDudeX77
14 сағат бұрын
I Liked God of War Ascension. It had some awesome boss fights !
@acidreighn
Күн бұрын
Ascension was great, necessary? not rly.. totally agree with your attitude as well..
@themoongateofficial
Күн бұрын
I just want Sony to give us a port of the Greek saga on ps5 man
@TaurusOxford
23 сағат бұрын
The big rumor going around right now is that we're gonna get a Greek Saga collection on PS5 in March for the 20th anniversary.
@MrGamer624
Күн бұрын
Bacon Vs Mayo soon? 😂
@CyborgCharlotte
Күн бұрын
FIGHT!
@chandlerburse
Күн бұрын
Mayos opinion on arkham knight already proves he loses
@tylerleach8796
Күн бұрын
Bacon wins…by a country goddamn mile.
@gam3rtim352
Күн бұрын
Needed a change yes, but they didn’t need to make him so weak. Once you make humans even remotely a threat to Kratos, you’ve gone too far.
@chandlerburse
Күн бұрын
Humans arent a threat tho? The normal humans in 2018 get killed so quickly and if i am not wrong the guys in ragnarok are somewhat magical or cursed
@2xRainb0w
Күн бұрын
The only humans you fight are near the start of 2018 and he kills them in 1 or 2 hits lmao
@robinanwaldt
Күн бұрын
Are you perhaps forgetting that some of the boss fights in the Greek games were just humans?
@gam3rtim352
Күн бұрын
@@robinanwaldt The demigods?
@robinanwaldt
Күн бұрын
@@gam3rtim352 Yes, Perseus and Theseus. Seemingly, most Demi-Gods in the God of War games are just mere mortals, like Kratos when he made his pact with Ares. They have no supernatural powers or abilities that separate them from other humans. Atreus/Loki is an exception because his mother was a giant, who also have god-like powers. Hercules also rather seems to be an exception.
@DoctorFail
Күн бұрын
All the grumbling about Kratos past self in greece just made me want another Greece saga game where Kratos was messing shit up.
@lightdarksoul2097
Күн бұрын
there is no more greece as he destroyed it that was the punishment for him being a damn idiot
@DoctorFail
Күн бұрын
@@lightdarksoul2097 I don't give af. Fight even more undead among its ruins for all I care, or do another prequel spin off.
@49Jkenny
Күн бұрын
Absolutely fantastic objective take. Why I really like listening to your passion interest videos, you keep them to the point and make fantastic points. I love the progression of Kratos through the Norse games and so many people generalise or don't look deep enough into the games (Both old and new).
@mindscapetvarchives
Күн бұрын
objective? his take is biased as fk, maybe learn the meaning of the word ''objective''
@DaughterrapperBrahma
20 сағат бұрын
What’s wrong with a series ending? Gow should have ended after or before gow ascension
@DarkOverlord96
Күн бұрын
I think the problem most people have with the Norse Saga and why they feel it wasn't needed it's because its drastic change of tone and gameplay that's obviously influenced by "modern cinematic PlayStation games" like The Last of Us just made a lot of people look back on the old games with a lot of disdain because they're "outdated, problematic, schlocky, mindless, button-mashy, exploitative, etc." compared to how "mature, artistic and story-driven" the new games are. Hell, just before this video was posted, I saw a post on Twitter with the Calliope QTE from Chains of Olympus and a lot of the replies and QRTs were people saying stuff like "OMG Kratos was such a horrible father for abandoning his child thank God the new games made him more responsible with Atreus! You fanboys are just blinded with nostalgia!" completely ignoring the context of the scene... probably because they never even touched the Greek Saga games because they're "outdated." Also, I know David Jaffe has said some dumb things but he's in the right to say he feels God of War has lost its edge, so saying he "didn't grow up" feels disingenuous just to make a point about not wanting to validate the creator's own opinion regarding what other people have been doing with his creation... I mean, he's just the creator, what does he know, am I right?
@napalmblaziken
Күн бұрын
The problem with what David Jaffe said, is that the Norse Saga makes Greek Saga Kratos better. Because we see him later looking back and reflecting. It makes him a more relatable character. Besides, Jaffe was only barely involved in Ascension. He voluntarily left the director's chair, and vouched for Cory, who I feel has added more to the series than David has. There's also the fact that David feels like he's always complaining about something, so it's harder for me to take him seriously. If everything makes you unhappy, maybe you're the problem.
@salty3069
Күн бұрын
TBP you magnificent bastard!
@Csumbi
Күн бұрын
i dont disagree that GOW needed change, and the base idea of Atreus and the Norse pantheon is fine on paper, but i feel like the execution was highly questionable. Personally i dont like a lot of things in the soft reboot, so much so that i dont really care about Ragnarok and have no desire to play it at all. The semi open world design, the level up system, the armor system, the combat system(especially the combat system), the story progression, etc. So many things that annoyed me and made the game a chore to play. Compare it to the original games and its not even a competition for me. GOW2018 is just not as memorable or fun.
@Jburneyjr
Күн бұрын
Cant tell you how many people I see on Tiktok streams commenting that they prefer the old games. Well like what Jay Z said, then buy my old albums.
@chandlerburse
Күн бұрын
Yes tiktok clearly a good representation of people with good tastes
@vinegar4556
Күн бұрын
Great idea. If only the old ones were easily accessible to a general audience in 2024.
@bobdobbz9334
11 сағат бұрын
If GOW needed a change, the 'Norse Saga' wasn't it. GOW is dead.
@scottroxford5715
23 сағат бұрын
Was it necessary? Maybe because they didn't need to continue the series even if Ascension was mid, GOW 3 was such a banger, Ascension flopping is irrelevant. I like the shift to a different pantheon but the execution is what I take issue with from a gameplay and narrative stand point. And David Jaffe is right, the games did go soft, it's not a bad thing since that was the point to be more introspective but he's still right and as a creator I get the frustration he has. Imagine you create something that was supposed to be one thing and then years later somebody else butchers it to be something else that acts so high and mighty. Cause not for nothing the original God of War games had brutality, sex and explosive bombast but they also had depth as well, the newer games just try to be deep without anything else really.
@Lilly-yr7vt
Күн бұрын
great video, thank you
@theAshesofDecember1
Күн бұрын
I mean, I was very much into GOW2018. Ragnarok was a bit of a let down. Felt like the story was somehow both slow and rushed at the same time. A one hour walk sim level with artreus was lame, and the actual final battle of ragnarok itself felt…small somehow. It didn’t have the epic scale that the series was known for. I got the platinum in one go and then just wasn’t able to pick it up again unfortunately
@pharmcat8484
Күн бұрын
Assassin’s Creed took the 3rd route
@nitthecroller
Күн бұрын
"Like it or not, God of War NEEDED The Norse Saga" ... ok. But what exactly stopped them from literally just taking Kratos of the old trilogy and putting him up against Norse gods? No son, no character progression, just rage that is spilling outward towards any pantheon whatsoever? I would have preferred that simply for the gameplay.
@Comicbroe405
Күн бұрын
With the way GoW 3 ended, that wouldn't really make sense no? He literally saw the destruction he brought & sacrificed himself. Kratos isn't a one dimensional character & doing what you said would make him one.
@eshankarnik262
Күн бұрын
did you even watch the video??
@austinfowler2707
Күн бұрын
So you're an option 3'er
@S-treme
Күн бұрын
besides the fact we would wont get norse saga, no one was interested play the same angry guy but with norse myth mainly to not have liberty in combat,nor have big cast like games dmc,bayonetta,mg revenge.
@chandlerburse
Күн бұрын
Because that doesnt make sense and is repetitive Kratos didnt hate all gods to the extent he did zeus and ares he had no personal grief with the Norse Gods it makes no sense for him to just start slaughtering them Kratos moving to Norse lands and quietly adapting to a normal life makes more sense It feels like people who want old kratos back never understood what his character actually was he isnt just killing Gods for kicks and giggles people
@andrebighach
Күн бұрын
it's not a choice to let your past define you, you did those things because of who you are, and still are so stop saying that. who you are is not a choice, you can chose to hide it but it always defines you.
@graytoast6139
Күн бұрын
Yo tac. I'm not gonna lie man but true cause of ascension is the multi-player aspect of it...sure its trapped in a corner or "milking" it but I believe the game would have peaked if sony didn't make the focus majority of ascension's development. Just watch the side content in making ascension for that part. Soo I believe the old style would have been good as ascension played more different than 3 did combining all figure moves from all greek era games and world wepons. Not to say norse is that bad either but it's how the Barlog approach kratos in raising kratos...like the tree in 2018 when you cut it down is a representation of the greek games. I got other things I can complain about but truth is man, they sided with those who shat on the greek games rather make it for them. Like the team themselves disliked there own game they created. Valhalla felt like it was made for the greek fans like a love letter but why dlc, why couldn't 2018 and ragnarok? Just wish we all could have something rather than lose it to people who never even loved the games we played.
@BenFoster-cx4em
Күн бұрын
Sure, but it didn't need racists turning angreboda black.
@AlexGreat321
22 сағат бұрын
I still haven't played the new games and in all honesty it's because of the gameplay change. Making it semi open world and changing the combat style just didn't appeal to me. It's annoying because the story seems really compelling ( I do know what happens) I have been psyching myself up to play them though as I bought and installed the first one last week 😂
@SpartanHighKing14
Күн бұрын
I preferred Kratos from the Ps2 games. This new Kratos is am emotional wreck.
@_koshi
Күн бұрын
how so? the old games literally has him being an emotional wreck by being a rage monster while the new ones show a new level of control
@tylerleach8796
Күн бұрын
Kratos was ALWAYS an emotional wreck.
@robinanwaldt
Күн бұрын
Dude, GOW1 LITERALLY starts with Kratos trying to commit suicide…
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