I appreciate the fact you went ahead and published the video even though there was a fault with the truck, rather than re-shoot later on once you got a clean run.
@Flydevice1
6 жыл бұрын
they published a similar experience with the 2017 f250 gas, when the truck broke down midway,
@cane870
6 жыл бұрын
JJM Channel happened with every company when you have a newly manufactured idea. It will take time for ford to work out the kinks
@dennisreynolds6915
6 жыл бұрын
There shouldnt be any kinks in a vehicle being produced from a billion dollar company with millions in testing and development.
@AmericanSurvival001
6 жыл бұрын
truckguyjoe that's called Hiding the truth maybe you've heard of that?? (Ford Owner )? Its also called real -world-Towing -experience NOT hollywood wait for the best camera angle ....
@AmericanSurvival001
6 жыл бұрын
JJM Channel yeah what are the odds it's always a ford that breaks LOL (not surprised) when you know the odds
@GerardoLopez-oq9om
6 жыл бұрын
This video is the reason why is not a good idea buy a first year production vehicles , engine or transmission.
@kennethlewis4641
6 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly!
@skippyi6969
5 жыл бұрын
i saw it as just another reason to stay away from ford period
@mozeby1975
5 жыл бұрын
This diesel has been used by Land rover and Jag in Europe for a few years.
@TheyCallMeCoolRon
5 жыл бұрын
Mozeby Ford and LandRover designed this diesel engine in a joint venture and the 10 speed transmission was a joint venture with Ford and GM, I believe. The Power Stroke team used some of the innovations with the 6.7 and retrofit them on the 3.0. It will definitely take a year or two to work the kinks out and hopefully add an exhaust brake.
@americansniper1641
5 жыл бұрын
Mozeby Land Rover a company that takes money away from rich old folk, jag a luxury car manufacturer both are not so great at making cars
@shiznit93274
6 жыл бұрын
Nice to see that once the truck goes into "limp" mode it just basically starts to free wheel down the hill and let you burn up the brakes. Great safety feature.
@kellychristensen9562
6 жыл бұрын
Haha that's no shit
@joshszydel8202
6 жыл бұрын
Same as Chevy and dodge.
@xt6wagon
6 жыл бұрын
From my experience, the f150 brakes don't need to be babied at any legal weight.
@chadsteele1
6 жыл бұрын
shiznit93274 that comes standard with Ford now.😂
@pajamatime5750
6 жыл бұрын
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.... I love these guys and this channel because they are real. Even though the truck had issues they showed us how it performed.... Most reviews wouldn’t show you that. I’m a ford guy and would recommend giving their diesel a year or two to massage out the kinks before buying one.... Anyway, thanks for more great content TFL!
@tumbleweedking5668
6 жыл бұрын
New LP5 isn't having problems and it's new? GM>Ford!
@stuffjunk5019
6 жыл бұрын
just google LP5 Engine problems, then we can talk lol...
This engine has been around in the range rover for a while now
@stuffjunk5019
6 жыл бұрын
For the most part. They had to modify it quite a bit and also, the range rover isn't quite as extreme of an application as a half ton pickup is.
@NWI_Steel
6 жыл бұрын
Yikes. Brutal showing for Ford. Kudos to TFL for honest reviews!! Wonder what Ford will do to attempt to save face...🤔
@cane870
6 жыл бұрын
NWI save face? It happens with every company when something new is introduced. Has happened to Chevy plenty as well.
@rlhmarines
6 жыл бұрын
ACM Incision: No it has NOT happen to GM trucks tested by TFL.
@Ted_Stryker
6 жыл бұрын
rlhmarines This is the second Ford that got a no qual on the Ike Gauntlet...
@richardziemies8373
6 жыл бұрын
NWI Another recall for the transmissions with diesel engines.
@wildbill23c
6 жыл бұрын
They'll do nothing as they've always done. Ford doesn't give a shit about fixing all the stuff wrong with their vehicles, once they get you on the lot and sitting in the office and their hands in your wallet they don't give a damn just like all other automakers, once they get your money they don't give a damn if your vehicle blows up at the first stop light, they already have your money..
@toddalmond5499
6 жыл бұрын
You gentlemen provide some very informative reviews and in my opinion have the best truck channel. Thank you.
@caedom21
6 жыл бұрын
I love the Ike gauntlet tests! I’m surprised the engine went into limp mode. You’d figure Ford did lots of testing on this engine. ... I know nobody will pay msrp but $68k for a Lariat? Come on man. I’d rather get a Raptor for that price. Anyway, TFL does the best truck tests on Earth! 👍🇺🇸🎉
@cbnboy34
6 жыл бұрын
Stephen Y I wouldn't pay that for a King Ranch
@chevyon37s
6 жыл бұрын
Stephen Y they made it sound like it was more so the transmission that went into limp mode, since it shifted to and got stuck in 9th gear. And I think the problem is just how it is tuned. I'd be curious as to what the transmission temp was during the test.
@Dangerzone032
6 жыл бұрын
Stephen Y you can go get a fully loaded 2019 Ram 1500 Limited for $70k, so yeah $68k for a Lariat is absurd.
@caedom21
6 жыл бұрын
P Htwr agreed.
@caedom21
6 жыл бұрын
Drew w you are right. It seems like the transmission. I should have said powertrain or transmission. You can see the gauge during limp mode and the transmission temp seems ok. Perhaps it’s a software issue.
@MikeS-md7cl
6 жыл бұрын
The transmission shut down because you were about to mechanically over rev the engine. Cutting fuel or spark will NOT stop this. It’s similar to downshifting a manual trans to slower gear on accident and overreving the engine.
@Weatherby406
6 жыл бұрын
90% of people on here don’t seem to understand the difference between 3mpg and 5mpg.It doesn’t sound like much but it’s a huge fuel savings over just 100miles. 33gallons used vs 20gallons used. For people that actually tow allot that is a massive fuel savings.
@yoddy0
6 жыл бұрын
Alex thats the key phrase though “for people that tow a lot” most of these people including myself don’t truly tow a lot.
@jessehernandez5043
6 жыл бұрын
Andrew Ochoa its still important to realize the benefits of the diesel fuel economy, especially when towing.
@larryspiller15
6 жыл бұрын
90% of people aren't towing 90% of the time. You still have a point though.
@acdii
6 жыл бұрын
This is true, and same holds true for 18 vs 25 MPG. To compare to a car the difference is between 35 MPG and 50 MPG in a car. The Key question though is , WILL it get the rated MPG unlike the rest of their engines. Remember the 47/47/47 that Ford had to walk back and send checks out to every person who bought the FFH?
@mutt2jeff
6 жыл бұрын
That’s only going uphill. I would gladly trade the 2mpg over a 8 mile grade for being able to keep the truck going the speed limit, instead of 45 mph. Your not gonna tow 100 miles up hill.
@Nicolas-ds2yt
6 жыл бұрын
reliability looks terrible if that happens in a brand new truck imagine when it is 2 years old!!
@ericgrau123
6 жыл бұрын
well this diesel is officially off my list!
@mdubiansky603
6 жыл бұрын
A pre-production truck has an issue and you write it off entirely? That is a special kind of stupid.
@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8
6 жыл бұрын
*2018 Ford F-150 Powerstroke vs. 2018 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel: comparing the specs* We take a quick look at the numbers on these two torquey trucks. Jan 2018 www.autoblog.com/2018/01/08/ford-f150-powerstroke-vs-2018-ram-1500-diesel-specs/
@biaggiwins
6 жыл бұрын
I'm done with diesel engines in pick ups. EPA has killed the diesel.
@Knightairman1
6 жыл бұрын
Interesting, glad you published it. Can't wait to see what Ford's answer to the issue was
@sreilly
6 жыл бұрын
Some sensor probably saw a fault, or the gauges on the dash were reading incorrectly as far as trans temp or engine temp. It's like Fords with their sensitive coolant level sensors. If the coolant level is even a millimeter off of where it should be, it throws the vehicle into limp mode. I had a friend of mine that had her 2013 Escape go into limp mode because of low coolant in the bottle after it was changed out, and after awhile the car pegged the temp gauge when it wasn't overheating and wouldn't allow her to move the vehicle in drive at all! Not sure this is safe, especially if something happens and you're in an undesirable location. I ended up having to use my code scanner to reset the codes after putting in the proper amount of coolant. Same deal with this issue. Limp mode made the truck go no more than 7 mph on a highway?!? Not sure I find that safe. I know other vehicle makes where their 'limp mode' doesn't allow the vehicle to go above 55 mph. Too many sensors on vehicles these days.
@SethPortland
6 жыл бұрын
I bet you saved Ford a recall after discovering that calibration issue. Great video btw even with the faulty truck..
@rik999
6 жыл бұрын
Big safety issue. You guys actually had a runaway situation. After the failure and the loss of engine braking, speed started to increase and was only being controlled by the brakes. If and when the friction brakes overheat and fade you have a true runaway and need to hit the gravel pit if one is available.
@rik999
6 жыл бұрын
IMHO transmissions in a vehicle that tows should never lock out the lower gears EVER. Set bonging alarms, flashing dash lights, vibrating seats and steering wheels, but NEVER essentially force coasting in top gear (or neutral).
@joelesko681
6 жыл бұрын
Best engine option for Ford is and always will be the 5.0
@andrewromero3305
6 жыл бұрын
Joe Lesko no kidding that 5.0 Is killer
@CJColvin
6 жыл бұрын
Joe Lesko Amen to that brother the most reliable of all the Ford Truck engines.
@Yogangster1995
6 жыл бұрын
Joe Lesko I'm not even a Ford fan but i agree, the 5.0 is definitely Ford's best engine.
@joelesko681
6 жыл бұрын
Mr. Tbag yeah man, I’m a Dodge guy (don’t judge! Lol) but I’ve always liked and respected Ford’s 5.0..... I’d even buy one!
@joelesko681
6 жыл бұрын
Mr. Tbag I’ll stick with my hemi for now 😉👍
@corystansbury
6 жыл бұрын
Diesel RPM is typically limited by combustion dynamics, not rotating assembly. I'm not surprised to see it use more RPM under engine braking circumstances.
@ShyaMiss
6 жыл бұрын
Cory Stansbury clear back in 01, the 6.6 Duramax had two lines on the factory tach. It fueled to 3250 (I think, been a while), but its redline on grade braking was 4500. No reason in my mind that this far newer, 3.0 engine shouldn't be able to handle this rpm.
@MarcMonson
6 жыл бұрын
ram ecodiesel is limited to 4800rpm
@jflowers090
3 жыл бұрын
I got a 2018 ram 1500 Ed. Just returned a from a trip from Phoenix to Central California about 750 miles. Towing a wakeboard boat. Average 13.5mpg going like 75 expect when I got a ton of traffic in riverside. The truck towed amazing; passing people on the grapevine doing 70. Also going downhil didn't break once I had it at 60mph cruise control and the truck never went over 65mph. Didn't break once. I was beyond impressed with this truck.
@viziocamaro
6 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you guys didn't hide the fact that it broke down I don't care what manufacturer it is always stay truthful
@KasunMeegahapola
6 жыл бұрын
One of the best videos I’ve seen from TFL..!! These are the kind of stuff helps manufacturers to correct their problems and produce quality vehicles. I also remember the Honda Ridgeline video where the transmission overheated and couldn’t complete the trail. I really want people to see these type of videos not as criticism but as opportunity. Great work TFL..!!!
@timl5429
6 жыл бұрын
I had a 2014 f150 with the eco boost, 3.31 gears. Got 17 mpg empty, when pulling my 21 ft 3100# camper on flat ground i was getting between 6-8 mpg. Was going to wait and see about this new diesel, but not now! Not impressed at all.
@Humblescape
6 жыл бұрын
My employer owns 50+ ford trucks ranging from 250 to 450 (mostly diesel). 3 years ago we made the switch to GM and not only is the durability much better but there’s less man hours that are required for repairs (no cab being lifted off the frame.) I’m not saying all ford trucks are junk and I know all manufacturers have issues but ford has a serious reliability issue. Most entities that make truck reviews don’t speak on this. Is there fear of being limited access to events and products if you speak on reliability? Anyone who doesn’t drive a ford will tell you that so why not TFL?
@mertz313
6 жыл бұрын
E P lmao I've started seeing more companies switch to GM trucks as well.
@ponygt6629
6 жыл бұрын
oh...probably 99% of US people are fools, because they are buying F series for getting into issues as per ur reasoning Come on, GM too has more than enuf issues to be avoidable, so much as Ford does, Ford and GM both are equally unreliable, the reason I wud still pick a Ford over GM in truck world is because of torque, they are insane torque monsters , just needs about 3000-4000 rpm to do almost all kinds of job, makes one feel effortless
@fruitmonsta1809
6 жыл бұрын
E P Ford does not have a serious reliability issue, that’s just from your experience. I have plenty of friends who had GM or Ram’s and they switched to something else because of issues. Brand loyalties develop based on which brand gave individual owners the least issues, NOT based on reliability for the entire brand.
@yoddy0
6 жыл бұрын
FruitMonsta180 in this case though its not just a single truck its a decent sample size of trucks he’s talking. So there is more weight to it then a person who’d just worked with one.
@mertz313
6 жыл бұрын
FruitMonsta180 For what it's worth, this is the 2nd Ford to breakdown on TFL lol
@skanetic
6 жыл бұрын
Who cares about 2 mpg, its almost too slow to be safe and can't properly get down the hill. Swing and a miss with this motor.
@mikemissouri5152
6 жыл бұрын
skanetic that’s a great point
@aarons3008
6 жыл бұрын
Not to say that this would be my number 1 choice for a half ton motor but consider that as mpg gets closer to zero each mpg you can gain becomes more significant. For instance, you say who cares about 2 mpg but another way to look at it is the powerstroke get 30-35% better fuel economy while towing then the ecoboost. If I was moving a trailer long distances I think a lot of people might be willing to sacrifice a bit of speed for 35% better fuel mileage
@Floreypottery
6 жыл бұрын
Fords and down hills are bad focus would try and blow itself up coming down hills on cruise had to not use cruise and brake alot
@BamaShinesDistillery
6 жыл бұрын
This motor has been used for years.....its actually a good engine.
@keithwelton
6 жыл бұрын
So 5.4 mpg compared to a gas truck giving 3.5 mpg. That is a 54% improvement in miles per gallon. Yes it is slower up that hill at maximum payload but how many owners will tow at max payload often up that extreme grade. Probably most owners will use these F150's just like a car, one person and unloaded not towing most of the time. Those wanting to tow heavy trailers regularly will probably choose an F250 for a similar purchase price but heavier running costs.
@Snickers39
6 жыл бұрын
The 2015 Ram ecodiesel did it on 9.03 and 6,1 m/gl. Just mention it 😉
@jakecreech1659
6 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention that it only had 7200lbs vs 9000lbs...
@Snickers39
6 жыл бұрын
Jake Creech , It is true. Expects Ram to come back with an even better ecodiesel in 2020 in response to Ford's Power Stroke. And that we get even better trailer capacity than in the 2015 edition.
@GraysdadCal
6 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see you guys get a special trailer that would be as aero as possible. A 10mph wind would make a big difference in a truck's ability to maintain 60mph and I'm sure the wind is always blowing, to different degrees, on the mountain. Just my opinion.
@lukaszuryk527
6 жыл бұрын
Ram ecodiesel has designer fault and every single one of them will go to sh..t its a time bomb so nobody cares how it did. Besides where is it now?
@toddyant642
6 жыл бұрын
Ford is a 4wd 6.5 bed . Ram was a 2wd, Quad cab.
@JKZ103
2 жыл бұрын
From this test I would choose the 3.5 EB. The reason is power. I will sacrifice a little mpg for power when I need it. I currently have an 18 platinum 3.5 eb and don't regret the purchase as I watch all of your testing. This channel is great and very fair.
@destin-diesel.9495
6 жыл бұрын
In torque converters have to stay cool. The over speed on it. Told it the engine was in need of being serviced. It probable is just bad tuning. For could fix it next year. Or next month in the tuning. Still to many sensors.
@sreilly
6 жыл бұрын
Agreed 100%. Some sensor probably saw a fault, or the gauges on the dash were reading incorrectly. It's like Fords with their coolant level sensors. If the coolant level is even a millimeter off of where it should be, it throws the vehicle into limp mode. I had a friend of mine that had her 2013 Escape go into limp mode because of low coolant in the bottle after it was changed out, and after awhile the car pegged the temp gauge and wouldn't allow her to move the vehicle in drive at all! I ended up having to use my code scanner to reset the codes after putting in the proper amount of coolant. Same deal with this issue. Limp mode made the truck go no more than 7 mph on a highway?!? I know Chevy's 'limp mode' doesn't allow the vehicle to go above 55.
@donleamon8653
6 жыл бұрын
Destin - Diesel. TC would have been locked. No heat generated.
@erikkovacs3097
6 жыл бұрын
How do you know the torque converter wasn't locked? Torque converter produce no heat when locked and Ford can't be that stupid to allow the truck to engine brake with an unlocked torque converter.
@destin-diesel.9495
6 жыл бұрын
Don Leamon. Yes and no. It was probable still slipping? The lock-up clutch can only hold a certain amount of over torque. Or over speed. And they said it was reving awkwardly. I think it could be slipping.
@erikkovacs3097
6 жыл бұрын
Destin - Diesel. I think it was locked because I had only 7k downgrade engine braking without locking my torque converter and my tranny jummped to 245 in only a few min and my 3/4 ton dodge has a larger radiator than this F150. I think limo mode was because of engine overspeed. It was at redline after all.
@blampa
6 жыл бұрын
It’ll be a software issue on the transmissions PCM. Run at 4500rpm for an extended period of time would have tripped a pressure sensor. Ford should have tested it to this extreme, but guaranteed the fix will be a techy with a laptop in the passenger seat.
@seagullsbtn
6 жыл бұрын
Tempted to suggest that you add one of those OBD2 readers to your test vehicles and monitor engine oil temp/pressure and transmission temperature while leaving the readings you want like mpg on the dashboard. Pretty obvious nothing wrong with engine or transmission, so I suspect there is engine over rev protection system built into the programming for the engine and transmission.
@Cobruhh93
6 жыл бұрын
still a problem it should shift before it overrevs
@JustinKingOffroad
6 жыл бұрын
the gauntlet test is no joke. i did that with a wrecked jeep on a trailer and it worked my 3.5 ecoboost to the core! good stuff and thanks for posting the video even with the dual downhill result of a limp mode, i've been seriously watching the diesel 150 and everything will play into my decision to keep my 2013 or move up to a 18-20 series 150.
@tumbleweedking5668
6 жыл бұрын
Ford claims you can tow 12500 with a eco boost? That jeep should have been childs play!
@JustinKingOffroad
6 жыл бұрын
i have the 3.31 rear end so i'm limited to about 9500 pounds, but i also had the entire truck bed full of tools, generator, etc etc etc to get that thing home. i was sitting on the bottom of the suspension the whole way. pretty sure I was over the GVWR of the truck. so it worked it real good!
@TFLtruck
6 жыл бұрын
Ford gave us an update, that this is a pre-production truck, and this issue is fixed for production trucks. Thanks for watching! BTW: Which One Is Faster? 2018 Ford F150 vs F250 Diesel? Find out here: kzitem.info/news/bejne/kaVvvHWss5FmbKg
@tambo264
6 жыл бұрын
The Fast Lane Truck will you be doing another vid explain the limp mode issue or just a comment ? very interested why and super surprised it was aloud to rev so high ;)
@chriskiser7059
6 жыл бұрын
I would like to see an Ecodiesel vs 3.0 powerstroke matchup comparing real world towing, 0-60, and mpg!
@AmericanSurvival001
6 жыл бұрын
yeah cause the powerstroke Ram matchup proved the Ford Did NOT have more HP & TQ as advertised (Not surprised )
@rotaryperfection
6 жыл бұрын
Seems grade shifting isn't programmed correctly. I bet engine went into limp mode for over rev protection.
@jeffgrise4386
6 жыл бұрын
Anything on why the transmission went into limp mode
@brandonpollard8928
6 жыл бұрын
You guys flow so well together and know what there talking about and are very entertaining love you guys keep it up
@davidhillbrand2302
6 жыл бұрын
Really, Ford says to reduce your GCWR for altitude? Overall performance is disappointing - especially for $68000!
@MoneyMarcMes
5 жыл бұрын
This is the second time I saw a Ford break down on you during a towing test. First the Super duty broke down and now this. Wow!!! Chevy and Dodge look more promising right now.
@Edenssunlight
6 жыл бұрын
Lol the camera shot from the trailer to the truck reminds me of that GTA game.. Third person F150!! Lol
@rylanstapleton
6 жыл бұрын
They were holding the rpm right at the rev limiter going down hill. The pcm was probably starting to see the engine over rev so the pcm put it into limp mode. It’s a fail safe so the engine doesn’t grenade.
@ss442es
6 жыл бұрын
Good to know. Thanks guys!
@mikewhipkey6863
5 жыл бұрын
I like these guys because they actually try the truck and work it hard that's nice to see because everyone else just spends 20min walking around it reading the window sticker..
@jeremyjones3294
6 жыл бұрын
Isn't this the 2nd Ford to break on the test. They need an award just for that.
@mr.d4295
6 жыл бұрын
3.5 mpg to 5.4 mpg is a 65% improvement in mpg . That is a BIG difference..
@Jassman3536
6 жыл бұрын
It took approx. 1m40 sec's longer vs the other gas trucks..and got 2mpg better. Do the same test with the gas trucks at 9:40 sec's and see how much their mpg improves. I'm not impressed and I am more of a Ford guy. If the test would have come in around 8 minutes and 1.5-2.0 mpg better..than Ford would have something. For now I'll stick with my gas 1/2 tons and diesel heavyduty's for the heavy stuff.
@06RedfireGT
6 жыл бұрын
Jeff Jassby Dragging anything up a steep hill is going to get shitty mileage. I was to see them do the 98 mile economy loop with and without a trailer and see how it stacks up against the Ecodiesel.
@TheDaltonmichaels
6 жыл бұрын
he has a point about the speed though. If you slow down the Gas trucks going up , the economy might equalize. Id be willing to bet real money the diesel does better flat land towing. But going up hill with a 10 speed transmission maybe the engine doesn't matter nearly as much if you equalize the speed going up the hill. But ill make another assumption. The gas motors all make their power at higher rpm and need leverage to maintain speed. if you slow down the gas trucks to match the diesel speed you have to assume it will drive in 1 or 2 gears lower making the RPM about the same as it was when going faster. So same RPM slower speed , longer time driving = worse fuel mileage at slower speed. This is just a SWAG.
@erikkovacs3097
6 жыл бұрын
A 2.9 mpg improvement from 2.5 mpg to 5.4 is a 116% improvement in fuel economy! That's the same as going from 25mpg to 54mpg in the same car. THAT is why all big rigs are diesels.
@erikkovacs3097
6 жыл бұрын
Dalton Michaels it might improve but won't double. Gasoline engines are awful at towing.
@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8
6 жыл бұрын
You left out the part where it vastly out performs the Ram Ecodiesel You should stick to something you're good at cause this isn't it
@DrKniz
6 жыл бұрын
Great job guys. You saved the customers potential headache by discovering this fault before the trucks were released to the market. You also saved Ford some money as well with regards to recalls.
@terryl6706
6 жыл бұрын
Only people I know that buy a redesigned vehicle or engine in the first year are just trying to impress someone.Give them a couple years to work out the bugs,every manufacturer has them.
@austinhowze6280
4 жыл бұрын
@@ccs9271 it was never used to tow this hard ever and you know them land rovers dont see trailers
@shockracer
6 жыл бұрын
So this is the second Ford to have issues while trying to tow the Ike?
@rmkscrambler
6 жыл бұрын
Ram Should thank Ford for making them look so good.
@keithlanahan2245
6 жыл бұрын
Love it !!!!!!! (Ram) Ford up its ass
@kevinwilliamson7294
6 жыл бұрын
I would guess that it went into limp mode due to the excessive RPM for extended period. That seemed quite high for a diesel.
@juanitofootball94
6 жыл бұрын
hopefully the 3.0L i6 Duramax do better next year. for the Silverado 1500
@philtripe
6 жыл бұрын
it wont be...if you want a reliable truck and know nothing, just buy the biggest gas motor available and the least number of options
@jessehernandez5043
6 жыл бұрын
stickloaf nice to see your opinion backed by evidence
@detroitdiesel-vu3ig
6 жыл бұрын
stickloaf the I6 Duramax is an old Isuzu industrial engine...
@juanitofootball94
6 жыл бұрын
Bruce Springsteen a good thing or bad?
@moik145
6 жыл бұрын
Bruce Springsteen it is? Chevy is saying it is a new motor they built from the ground up? Were are you getting your info?
@Enchanted3DPrints
6 жыл бұрын
I don't think this truck should get a second chance for the golden hitch. It broke during qualifying. End of story. Second Ford to break during testing.
@Neur0bit
6 жыл бұрын
Broke down not once, but TWICE, so I agree.
@jrhunt414
6 жыл бұрын
So far I haven’t seen anything appealing about this diesel that would make me buy it over the 3.5 or 5.0.
@rsg1963
6 жыл бұрын
The fuel mileage was very impressive especially considering the unladen MPG is also leaps ahead of the gassers. It really adds up. Guessing a 2.5 year recoup of the additional upgraded diesel cost to start seeing savings plus the better towing experience in general the whole time. Kudos TFL for the second run where you confirmed an issue because sometimes it's a one-off. Not that this kills my thoughts of getting one of these units, but it's good to know and adds to my trust of your reviews. It's between the 2019 Eco-diesel RAM and this unit for me in about 10 months, so I imagine we will learn a lot more by then about the Ford mini-Power Stroke engines in the F-150.
@TestTest-fm2cu
6 жыл бұрын
I continue to be unimpressed by the new f150 powerstroke
@n01928
6 жыл бұрын
Like he said it's not about putting up big numbers it's about efficiency. So no it won't look impressive until you start to look at efficiency. My TDI averages 45mpg highway in a ~3500lb car. That's without meeting EPA standards in a much lighter car. Performance wise (i.e. 0-60) the TDI is not doing much better either. All the small diesel trucks are meh but I'm glad they are doing them. The problem is they released it at a time when gas is cheap and the gasoline engines have made huge improvements. The thing is last time gas shot up they got caught with their pants around their ankles. Now they have a solution as gas is poised to spike. I definitely see these jumping in sales if that's the case. I think the second generations will look much better in terms of performance (and even first gens once modders start tuning them) with maybe little efficiency improvements. It's amazing that just a year ago it seemed like VW had killed the diesel car industry in the US for light duty and now it's back stronger than ever. So yeah it's unimpressive but at least it's there.
@adrenalinowner7992
6 жыл бұрын
TT I seen another Ecoboost getting towed outside of Kamloops BC yesterday...
@monarchco
6 жыл бұрын
nullr1 you're kidding right? It did 2mpg better than gas trucks while taking an extra minute and 40 seconds. Why don't you slow down one of those gas trucks to where it takes the extra minute and 40 seconds this thing did, and see how the mpg skyrockets. This is nothing but another crappy new age engine from Ford that they didn't bother to tune.
@AkioWasRight
6 жыл бұрын
nullr1 Fuel efficiency is not using less fuel, it's maximizing work done with the fuel used. The gas trucks went up the hill much faster. If you were to slow down, your gas truck MPG would be closer to the diesel. This means the actual efficiency is closer than you think.
@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8
6 жыл бұрын
*2018 Ford F-150 Powerstroke vs. 2018 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel: comparing the specs* We take a quick look at the numbers on these two torquey trucks. Jan 2018 www.autoblog.com/2018/01/08/ford-f150-powerstroke-vs-2018-ram-1500-diesel-specs/
@fxnytroxtxFPP
6 жыл бұрын
Tfl just in case you didn't know you can put the trany in manual mode and what it does is it locks up the what ever gear you're in, you should try it on the down hill, there's no need for it to rev that high
@gvc56100
6 жыл бұрын
Good test.... what was the tongue weight of the trailer that made the Ford squat 3"? and I think you guys nailed it when you all said it over revved the tranny.... no exhaust brake in my book is Ford (and these other manufacturers ) saying these are very light duty haulers....for $68K! might as well get a decently equipt 3/4 ton..
@StoneysWorkshop
6 жыл бұрын
I notice they have a dead pedal now, I have a 2012 and use the pillar by the hood latch as a dead pedal, I'm glad they did that
@jimmy4x4socal44
6 жыл бұрын
First the f250 fail, and now this? I don’t know why people defend this brand.
@Brightleaf_Auto
6 жыл бұрын
Because they all have failures. My buddy just spent a couple grand deleting the cylinder deactivation in his GMC to prevent the lifter failure.
@jimmy4x4socal44
6 жыл бұрын
Brian Blalock show me 1 tfl truck video of a gm vehicle failing on camera.
@Brightleaf_Auto
6 жыл бұрын
Jimmy4x4 Socal I'm not talking about failing on camera. A fan belt on the 250 is a freak accident that could happen to anything. As for the limp mode on this truck is new for America although it's been available overseas, this is the first time it's been mated to the 10 speed. We don't know yet if it's an engine issue or a trans issue. If it's a trans issue it's a joint venture between Ford and GM so I'm sure both makers would like to look at.
@hugoseguin1589
6 жыл бұрын
couple grand to delete cylinder deactivation? all you needed was a 500$ tuner
@Zecrid.
6 жыл бұрын
i'm assuming that the computer didn't like the constant near redline.
@killintimeracing1368
6 жыл бұрын
Five star review as always thanks guys
@crazyhass84
6 жыл бұрын
The largest forces in a diesel is from combustion pressure. Gas is from piston mass going at 6k rpm. That is why the diesel can allow higher rpm downhill when not fueling...
@noone1704
6 жыл бұрын
I don't think it's worth getting a diesel in a half ton it's too expensive too buy and maintain for just a little bit of fuel economy for a heavy duty it's a different story it's a clear difference when towing big loads.
@eduardosanchez7827
6 жыл бұрын
Mitsubishi and Toyota have Diesel engines for their small pickups and they work great, it's just that American trucks are over engineered theese days. They want theese engines to be small, powerfull, quiet, efficient and cheap... Japanese Diesel engines are very noisy and produce much less HP, I don't know if it makes any difference but those engines sound like industrial machinery and lasts forever
@MattSmith-vl8zp
6 жыл бұрын
I went from maybe 14 mpg average in my 2013 hemi to 22.5 lifetime average so far in my 2017 ecodiesel. Diesel is only .30 cents more a gallon. I bought mine with 12000 worth of rebates.
@Scout819
6 жыл бұрын
Eduardo Sánchez Idk about the tundra, but Tacoma doesn’t offer a diesel. Just the 2.7 i4 and 3.5V6
@Scout819
6 жыл бұрын
Eduardo Sánchez In America at least. Hilux might offer one. Idk
@Manisj1
6 жыл бұрын
Eduardo Sánchez unfortunately over engineering is required to meet epa requirements for soot, fuel Econ, and Nox. The aftertreatment is handled by a complex system that has to be extremely hot, and rarely works well in Stop/go environments. The system relies on egr, doc, dpf, scr, and an array of sensors. All of which can and will fail.
@AfterDark33
6 жыл бұрын
You know, I’d like to know exactly what happened that caused it to go into limp home mode. Why it went into it and if it’s even a Powertrain fault or just a computer bug or the testers fault (Not to blame TFL but we all can make mistakes now and then)
@k9leadstheway531
6 жыл бұрын
Super disappointing with this diesel.. I’m a ford guy to the bone.. have two fords in my driveway with no problems.. but been wanting to go from my 7.3 to a newer truck and was super stoked for this diesel option. But looks like the coyote is the way to go still.
@Andy-dc7hr
6 жыл бұрын
3rd gear, redline, how long was it running like that? Manual says it'll protect itself from over revving. Wonder what the transmission temp was at that time. Probably could of used an exhaust brake in that extreme testing. I bet if you had slowed down enough with the brakes to allow the transmission to shift, it would of been fine. The manual says something about not being able to shift, it'll protect itself from over revving.
@mariourias8
6 жыл бұрын
Go tfl!!!! You guys rock!!!!!
@jlor7675
6 жыл бұрын
LOL. Never thought Mr. Truck would be a Duran Duran fan.
@BullittKid08
6 жыл бұрын
As a former ford diesel owner i am not suprised at all. That little wrench light is the devil. I now have a 14' sierra with 120k trouble free miles
@Kcducttaper1
6 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Wasn't it also a Ford F-series that "had a bad fan clutch" (according to Ford) and sent the fan into the radiator on the Ike test? Now, before anyone accuses me of being a hater, I'll mention that I have an F-250 in my garage right now. Just making an interesting observation.
@andybub45
4 жыл бұрын
It was. Great Ford quality.
@FordTruckGuyKyle
6 жыл бұрын
All thanks to the scr DPF catalytic converter emissions control system egr's on the motor what caused your trucks to go into limp mode that's means the system can't clean the filter
@sconner
6 жыл бұрын
Kyles6.7Cummins Dieselguy I would think that’s unlikely. The whole way down there is no fuel which means no particulates. I’d guess tranny. Just a guess though.
@SERGERYO
6 жыл бұрын
Looks like software (ecu) "feature/issue" if you were able to recreate that condition... Interesting what ford will tell you.
@mountainhobo
6 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately Ford has joined so many other companies where Beta testing is done by users.
@MDKN22
6 жыл бұрын
Never seen two people get so excited over two downshifts... lmao!
@dannya6042
6 жыл бұрын
I think the titan XD is a better choice considering the price
@J-W.-
6 жыл бұрын
Nice job on the review guys! The best! Its crazy how expensive these trucks are, I cant imagine paying 68k for a vehicle, thats a house in my eyes maybe not a over spectacular house but it is one.
@rsg1963
6 жыл бұрын
Jonathan Washington I know I live in an absurdly over-priced market (California) but where the hell can you buy a house for $68k that's not a shack on the bayou?
@timfox2344
6 жыл бұрын
7mph limp-mode is a tad too slow
@wyattlarrick3246
4 жыл бұрын
Faster than my XDs' 5 mph limp mode!
@DargoDog
6 жыл бұрын
Great video guys!!! I watched a lot of your videos for every half ton you tested before buying my '18 3.5L F-150. About a month after I bought my truck the news broke about the new diesel F-150 and I wandered if I had made a mistake. At this point, I am glad I bought what I did when I did.
@bearatts
6 жыл бұрын
All F-150's go to limp home mode by default as soon as you start driving. Lol
@ohaggdah
6 жыл бұрын
So out of all the TFL Ike tests, what vehicles have broken down besides the two Fords? Not saying Fords are built worse, but I feel like maybe they're shipping out they're new models too soon to beat the competition? Maybe they should change the slogan from "built tough" to "built in a hurry"...
@arnie6988
6 жыл бұрын
Well it's a Ford.....lol Can't wait for the new Ram EcoDiesel. Great video guys
@brandonmcfarland5200
2 жыл бұрын
That Powerstroke V6 Is Sorry Towing Up The Hill.
@pablomay28
6 жыл бұрын
Ford will ask you to take this video down. I remember another Ford actually braking down on another test you did. I believe it was the F250 gas version.
@sdvten
6 жыл бұрын
The engines fan blew apart and took out some other parts on the 6.2l F-250. A freak thing but I have noticed Fords quality (especially under the hood) has went down. Sourcing more and more parts from China. Putting more attention into worthless gadgets and other complicated crap than what actually matters. The powertrain and drivetrain.
@mr.d4295
6 жыл бұрын
My 2015 5.0 dose the same over-rev when trailering down hill . If you want to engine brake you have to use manual mode and choose the gear cuz the trucks computer isn't smart enough to...
@cameronmcmillian1519
6 жыл бұрын
HAHAHA this is why I own Toyota now... After 6 straight Fords, last 2 being Lemons (13 F-150, 15 Mustang GT) and Ford refusing to acknowledge any issues... Let me guess guys after taking back to dealer they said the limp mode was just a "NORMAL CHARACTERISTIC" ??
@Jaxav8or
6 жыл бұрын
I wish you guys had switched over to the transmission temperature on the display after the warning. I bet it was way over 200 degrees
@Michael_ryan91
6 жыл бұрын
Everyone is so quick to talk crap about ram reliability but then agian it seems to me they do great at these tests and this is the 3rd ford truck to have a problem doing tests on this channel... Hmmmmm wierd i keep hearing fords the best.
@mpsangha
6 жыл бұрын
camaro camaro ss ram makes the best pickup with the best interiors
@Michael_ryan91
6 жыл бұрын
Manpreet Singh i think so i owned them all and they are all good trucks these days but my ram to my suprise has been more reliable then my chevy and fords while having a nicer interior and ride/handling.
@sledstorm1
6 жыл бұрын
I can't agree more, ford seems to be having alot of problems lately.
@cane870
6 жыл бұрын
camaro camaro ss the fords they tested were newly manufactured products. They just got developed. It’s happened with Chevy as well. You can’t blame a company for having difficulties with new ideas.
@Michael_ryan91
6 жыл бұрын
Okay sorta the f250 they tested that the radiator exploded going up the ike was a 6.2. Fords been making radiators for like 100 years now lol and the 6.2 for like 5 years.
@paulg711
6 жыл бұрын
Hey I have a 2017 F-150 Lariat with 3.5L Ecoboost with the 10 speed transmission and on a really cold day it did this to me and stayed in 7th gear till I decided to pull over shut the truck off and restart. Then all systems normal!? Love your show! Thank you!
@davelusk1815
6 жыл бұрын
It happens, could be any company. Give them a year or two as I'm sure it'll be fine. Great work fellas, thx for showing the ups and downs if real world testing. I learn more from the misadventures them the more scripted videos.
@nybotor
6 жыл бұрын
Dave Lusk Yeah, TFL has the best reviews, and this is Ford’s first attempt at a diesel F-150.
@jessehernandez5043
6 жыл бұрын
True, it does happen and it could be any company. But for the record, mishaps like this and failure have only happened to Ford. F-250 gas blow up and F-150 diesel limp mode
@blkngwinn
6 жыл бұрын
Stop being so dramatic because the F250 did not blow up.
@WilliamStewart1
6 жыл бұрын
CDP Didn't the radiator rupture or something?
@godreacter288
6 жыл бұрын
no the radiator fan came appart
@michaelketcham4261
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing the truth. I'm not here to bash brands. Thanks for staying unbiased
@jeffvry4187
6 жыл бұрын
Had that warning show up several times on my 2017 250 powerstroke. I'd then lose my cruise control and hill descent. Would have to stop the truck and restart it to clear the codes. The truck will be going down the road. Should have never bought a Ford. There will be a 2019 duramax dually sitting in the driveway this fall.
@ScottAnd
6 жыл бұрын
Jeff Vry Stop fooling yourself. Every brand has issues. Typical know nothing
@jeffvry4187
6 жыл бұрын
Scott A thinking you got that backwards.... you know nothing. I've had numerous brand new vehicles...chevy/GMC and Dodge with very minimal issues. This new ford has been back to the dealership 6 times within 5 months and now have to go back again as the shift indicator will show downshifting to 4th, but still stuck in 6th. First brand new Ford I've purchased and will be the last. Know the whole story next time before you run your mouth!
@FeatherFoot_VRC
4 жыл бұрын
It’s a new engine, it takes time to tweak with the bugs you can say.
@joelesko681
6 жыл бұрын
You boys are digging deep to find something good to say about this engine..... face it, it sucks
@subsnovideos-ot5du
5 жыл бұрын
Breaks are made for a reason
@Weak_juan
4 жыл бұрын
@@subsnovideos-ot5du brakes
@yogiyoda
6 жыл бұрын
Useful review! Dang it Ford! I wanted to like this truck!
@4-LOW
6 жыл бұрын
Remember how the mid-2000s Ford Super Dutys got nicknamed "Powerjoke" because they were trash? The 2018 F-150 says "hold my beer!"
@CoyoteFTW
6 жыл бұрын
I’m convinced the issue was 100% the part that GM had their hands on in that 10 speed transmission.
@therealjohnsmith4811
6 жыл бұрын
Barack Obama Inside The Oval Office Lol? What? Poor reliability? Ford is ranked above all GM brands except Buick. Try again- www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/car-brands-reliability-how-they-stack-up/
@therealjohnsmith4811
6 жыл бұрын
Barack Obama Inside The Oval Office I see. So TFL is the ultimate place that determines reliability of a brand and not research of consumer reported problems. Got it.
@therealjohnsmith4811
6 жыл бұрын
Barack Obama Inside The Oval Office Further- the truck is “make believe?” Like it’s imaginary? Pretty sure they drove it away and went up the Ike after simply re-starting it.
@therealjohnsmith4811
6 жыл бұрын
Barack Obama Inside The Oval Office lol. Sure thing Buddy.
@shaunstuck3079
6 жыл бұрын
I say you score it as it performed. Dont give it a second chance because it failed. That's how it came from the factory and should be scored accordingly.
@JohnSeitz
6 жыл бұрын
Shaun Stuck I agree --
@kennethlewis4641
6 жыл бұрын
Were the others pre-production models that were tested? If not, test a production model. If not, it's apples/oranges. I'm not impressed with how it performed, either. Then again, just a look at the numbers told me that it wouldn't fare too well.
@zach4321
6 жыл бұрын
You guys proved by going down a second time that this is an issue with these trucks and not a one off defect of some kind. I will be interested to hear what Ford says to you guys. I have a feeling the truck went into limp mode simply to save itself from destruction. A diesel over revving to 4500+ RPM is not a good thing and you can bet the reason the truck did that is because of no exhaust brake. #fail
@camonly849
6 жыл бұрын
still would buy a ford lol. this test is a tough test. 95% of people are not going to drive a mile above sea level and running it clear to the floor, so obviously the gas mileage is going to be better. I would say pulling a couple thousand lbs. i.e. mower, fishing boat. running about 65-70, is going to put it around 18ish mpg or more. which is pretty good. Ford didn't break down, it just had another issue, the vehicle at least protected it self, but it definitely needs to be addressed. It was able to drive still, so i dont get how that is ford breaking down. I think they should have made the motor tougher.
@TrailTribune
6 жыл бұрын
FYI diesel has about 15% more BTUs than gas per unit of measure, plus it's not watered down with ethanol. Right now by my house diesel is the same price as gas so economically it is a cheaper fuel to run on, but is it worth it with the extra price of the diesel engine option along with the extra maintenance? You guys should make a video breaking down the economics of gas vs. diesel in today's light duty trucks.
@mic982
6 жыл бұрын
What's your opinion on how this compares to the Dodge Eco-Diesel models? Thanks
@rsg1963
6 жыл бұрын
They are called Ram now, but it's a great question.
@mic982
6 жыл бұрын
yep, I have one sitting in my driveway - old habits die hard
@yungspicez
6 жыл бұрын
Ram is better
@mic982
6 жыл бұрын
lol - well that's what I'm thinking and hoping, but I was curious as to how the TFL guys felt. I see a new Ike Gaunlet test coming: 2018-19 Ram. Ford and Chevy 1/2 ton diesel test comparison. Ford needs to fix the glitch these guys experienced when testing this model or I don't want one!
@josephkellogg2177
6 жыл бұрын
Has any of the Chevys you have tested gone into limp mode
@americantrucknation4891
3 жыл бұрын
Im not sure. this was a pre production model though.
@josephkellogg2177
3 жыл бұрын
@@americantrucknation4891 it was a good thing it was caught and brought up to Ford to have it resolved before full production
@RK-kj8di
6 жыл бұрын
FORD: Fix or Replace daily; I had a F-150 and a F-250; never again. I now have a 1500 and 2500-HD with zero issues for past 20 years
@earlyetman5588
6 жыл бұрын
Yep, GM is awesome...except for the rust, the tailgate handle breaking, door handles falling out, and gauge cluster that died...My 2001 GMC 2500 crew cab was a real gem...
@t6c3t4
6 жыл бұрын
Curious that only fords have broken or had major issues on the Ike
@MarcMonson
6 жыл бұрын
guessing it's overreving, since the truck cant brake itself, the only way to get the operator to slow down is throw it in neutral. and since it didnt fail on the way up, clearly there is some software code telling it to do so.
@NL-in6uj
6 жыл бұрын
Didn't the 6.2 f250 blow up last year? I had a 2011 f150 crew cab with the 5.0 Great engine for the first 3 years until it started going into limp mode due to "low oil pressure" Oil levels were fine and Ford couldn't figure out the problem. There is too much technology in these trucks today and I can't see them being reliable past 5 or 6 years.
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