I appreciate the value of "the work" leading up to awakening. my mind runs the only time i have had "no thought" is when a doctor gave me prozac. linda's story motivates me to be still and meditate. up my yoga. limit my words. let go of my ego. eat healthy. stay out of the past and future. let go of fear of death. thank you rick. good job
@kwixotic
10 жыл бұрын
Yes, well when I took prozac for a time there was BOTH no thought AND no feeling. Couldn't deal with the robot like sensation that characterized it so gave it up.
@Sierarosekhalil
8 жыл бұрын
Love this conversation and how Claire articulated her experiences. One of my favourites, thank you Rick ❤️
@michaeltimothy456
9 жыл бұрын
I like Linda very much. Her descriptions of her practice and enlightenment remind me of Joko's talks. Thank you, Linda. You're an inspiration.
@MrReinhardj
9 жыл бұрын
Great conversation, Linda thanks; Rick doing a skillful job as always
@misawainwright383
8 жыл бұрын
Really like the dialogues on the Absolute and the Relative and Linda's descriptions of the energy & biological/physical interactions as well as her descriptions of 'shock' and the shockwave or stunned state adjusting to life, to doing, etc.
@paulaplaster934
9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this interview and also Thanks to Linda. Really inspirational.
@marybalfanz
10 жыл бұрын
Love her descriptions of the way she experiences the world. She is very clear. Thanks Rick for another great interview.
@steveverhaeghe7698
9 жыл бұрын
Great questions and interviewing chops Rick! You've really developed a great method of finding unique ways to explore. Beautiful. Thank you 1000x.
@DietrichLasa
10 жыл бұрын
Linda Clair (met her years ago at Peter Jones' place) authentically and openly shares her story - the relative - and points to the absolute that expresses itself as the relative. Linda is indeed a unique expression, quite unlike most modern nondualists. It would be inappropriate to measure and dismiss Linda with 'Jnani' arguments that may arise from clear seeing. However, vice-versa, it would be inappropriate to measure and dismiss the simplicity of clear seeing - as represented by Toni Parsons and others - by insisting that everyone needs a lot of structured preparation to cope with the obvious, undefinable presence of timelessness, unfolding as ever-changing appearance.
@wma5918
10 жыл бұрын
I can relate to Linda's description of the wide view. When I am in a meeting my vision automatically covers the ceiling, all ppl in the room (unless they are behind me), and the walls(not the one behind me). When i chat with ppl outside, the sky and trees i used to omit as background, are just as prominent as the person's face. Not much difference between background foreground. Sometime, they becomes brighter and brighter. The size of ppl changes to be smaller too.
@SabineWald_NowHere
10 жыл бұрын
Great interview Rick and what a lovely lady! It is really good that such great stories can be shared via internet nowadays. The only thing I disagree with is the fact where you said that some sort of preparation or meditation is necessary as one can end up in a mental asylum. I can confirm this from the 'personal' experience. I was never a 'seeker of enlightenment' (even this is wrong as there is no enlightenment or a seeker). I was seeking help for my health condition(s) as I thought that I couldn't go on any longer. Then I listened to Eckhart Tolle for about 3 years, trying to 'get into the present moment'. I thought that I was meant to 'get into the Now'. Sailor Bob Adamson (Non Duality teacher from Melbourne, disciple of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj) explained that there was nowhere to go or nothing to get. That was our natural state. We are all Aware - we need to start from that fact. We are all part of this universe: temperature (fire), water, ether, space, air. If we lose one from the body, would we survive?! He said: 'try and get out of it if you can'. It somehow dissolved body and then mind. 3-4 months after seeing Sailor Bob I was free from all my concepts. I realised I wasn't my body or mind and that there was nobody who lived life. It lived itself. I read 'I am That' like crazy, trying to work out what 'happened'. Nothing really happened. I just lost it all. There is lots of emptiness and love. I just relax into it. I can say that Sailor Bob helped where doctors couldn't. Word death doesn't frighten me but puts smile on my face. I already died to my body-mind attachment. Fish swims in the water and yells: I am thirsty, I am thirsty! - it is same with the humans and their natural state before the first concept of being told their name by their parents. Baby cries when it is hungry or is sick. It smiles when it is fed - all happens naturally. That is natural state of all of us. It is like being a wise child. About surgery and being under anesthetic - what Linda said it is very true. You don't need pain killers and you feel at peace. Other patients around you who had the same surgery might carry on, cry and ask for help. Nurses check out to see if you are OK as you are quiet, enjoying your peace. You are unconscious during surgery but are still aware. Thank you BATGP! Love your interviews!
@MsMegabliss
10 жыл бұрын
Thank you rick , you get to the heart of it . No one feels good talking about the effects of transition on our love life . Maybe you could interview a couple , just to get more insight .
@rajiivkapur306
9 жыл бұрын
I have found out that she was only 4 weeks at the zen monastery in Japan where she become "enlightened". And prior to that she did a few retreats with a Zen teacher in Australia. Does that makes you a zen master? I don't think so. Her main teacher for 5 or 6 years was Peter Jones, an eccentric westerner from Byron Bay, a city where 95% of the people are "enlightened". Apart the fact that she likes riding on the coattail of famous teachers, this interview shows her realization to be shallow vague and unclear.
@TheBhannah
10 жыл бұрын
lovely interview thanks Rick
@TheSoteriologist
10 жыл бұрын
*Roughly a 2.0 on the -4 to +4 scale* _(for explanation and disclaimers please see the end of the comment)_ Fulfills the by Rick stated purpose of the channel. As someone else said, there are some serious questions left open in this interview, for instance why if practicing on traditional Zen retreats with Roshis present these things happen, and there is no mention of these masters' recognition or position regarding her realization. There are more let downs, such as Rick: "Why do you get up in the morning" - Linda: "Love" - Rick: "And what is love ?" - L: "The absence of fear". Well, a mere _absence_ cannot be love or cause a body to move and get up in the morning nor motivate you to get anything done. A plausible answer would be like "Because there is no fear, the life force can move more freely and spontaneously, and it just gets up on its own accord" or whatever. But as she talks she seems almost too lazy to honor the listener with any decent answer. Somehow the whole manner in which she conducts her voice gives the impression of jadedness or emotional depletion. One wonders if that is where you want to end up. *This interview holds the distinction of making me carve out the question of differences in realization as measured by continuous awareness during deep sleep versus during deep narcosis*, where I find the latter to be much more interesting and rarely do realizers report those. One gets to thinking that the cosmological insights of realizers in the body are of necessity less than those of ordinary people undergoing NDEs. See my other comments to this video in some thread here on this subject. _About the rating: anything below and including +1 means by and large a waste of time, and anything below 0 is not only worthless but damaging to the world. For comparison, on that scale, Francis Bennett would be a +3 or more and Harri Aalto would be roughly a tentative +3-3.5. Not coming up with original, independent cosmological insights bans any interviewee from > 3.0 ratings as a matter of principle._ *General Disclaimer:* the rating _pertains to an interview, not to the interviewee_. If the rating is high it means merely and exclusively that I consider the interview to be of high value relative to the stated purpose of the channel, and that it is therefore no waste of time to listen to the interview. It would _not_ imply that whatever the interviewee speaks is the truth (as if I was the arbiter over that) or that you should follow him/her or accept whatever that person offers. _That is particularly in need of emphasis if that would be an expensive enterprise_ !
@ama-tu-an-ki
10 жыл бұрын
The discussion at c. 1hr mark about "thinking" seems a bit conceptually / linguistically confusing for those with no such experience. I think Gary Weber's model about default mode network and self-referential talk is much more understandable. Perhaps Linda Clair does not "perform mental operations requiring the use of short-term memory" when she speaks, schedules, writes down or calculates (to use her examples). However, to verify this and / or to understand how it is even possible, is quite another matter. At least for me :-)
@TransferOfAwakening
10 жыл бұрын
Hi Rick: You mentioned that one for your friend was "out as light" under general anesthesia? What do you mean by "out as light" and who is that friend? Where can I find more info on him? The subject of "losing consciousness" interests me greatly because I have briefly lost consciousness many times.
@kwixotic
10 жыл бұрын
I would subscribe to what Nisargadatta Maharaj stated about Enlightenment which is that it is NOT a state and the realization of THAT is itself Enlightenment. His own Enlightenment resulted after three years of committed self inquiry.
@arvindsinghsn
10 жыл бұрын
Awakening = waking up to your... ...natural, effortless, default... ...state! The state... ...which is always already the case. Even now... ...that natural state is covered only by your thoughts, beliefs and dreams.
@TransferOfAwakening
10 жыл бұрын
Reverend Eslam Might have listened to him for about 5-8 minutes in total in my entire life.
@TransferOfAwakening
10 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Will do so... What videos you would recommend?
@TransferOfAwakening
10 жыл бұрын
Reverend Eslam Thanks! Will check them out...
@TransferOfAwakening
10 жыл бұрын
Reverend Eslam I did watch few of Adi Da's videos. The man does seem to have real "power"... ...more of the "beastly"... and... "dark"... ...kind......than of he "divine", peaceful and "calming" and kind... IOW... ...this man is no Ramana Maharshi... ...and, he is likely to do far more ..."harm"... than any real, lasting... ..."good"... Further, I think that the man deliberately lies... ...with even little familiarity with the "body language"... ...you can clearly see that "deliberate lying" as he switches to... ..."what he knows to be true"... ...to... "what he himself knows to be lie"... It is possible that you don't "see"... ...that deliberate lie... ...and, that is OK :-) I just shared my honest read... ...that's all... Can I be mistaken...? ...of course, I can be... :-)
@TransferOfAwakening
10 жыл бұрын
Reverend Eslam I did hear some of the "harm" he likely did. Can it influence my judgement? Yes, it can. Do I think it did influence my judgement? I don't think so. People do have power with or without spiritual practice. And, people have different kind of powers. Kim Kardashian has a kind of power. Ramana has a different kind of power. One power can pull into becoming more enslaved and can make you more unconscious. Another can uplift you... and can ...free you... ...form yourself... ...and... ...from the guru and ...the words of the guru.
@TransferOfAwakening
10 жыл бұрын
How to test enlightenment? Some people consider the "energy transmission" to be the litmus test of enlightenment. People have claimed Ramana to radiate great energy. People have claimed Jiddu Krishnamurti, Muktananda, AnandaMayi, Osho, Da Free John to have great energy field. I am guessing Neem Karoli Baba might have also had it. Otherwise, why would someone intellectual like Ram Dass, Krishna Dass be attracted to him? However, it is pretty hard to measure it objectively and scientifically. I think this experience is quite subjective. If you have experience of meditation... ...you might have felt great (spiritual) energy inside your own body. This energy can feel immense, intense and greatly alive at some time and somewhat dormant at other time. In my meditation, sometimes the body feels like "charged space" or "charged emptiness". Sometimes, when I goto sleep after meditation, it becomes hard to sleep... ...as the energy feels too intense and alive. You might have felt something similar. Among spiritual gurus, I have certainly felt spiritual energy with Adyashanti and Swami G. (Ganga K) - both interviewed here. I have also felt immense energy field with now deceased Sri Mataji Nirmala Devi. I has also met greatly famous teachers like Amma and Byron Katie. Strangely, I felt no such energy from Amma or from Katie.
@TransferOfAwakening
10 жыл бұрын
Following link has very interesting information on the opposite side of 'always being conscious': mattpeplinski.com/enlightenment-epilepsy/ 1. Jiddu Krishnamurti is Considered Enlightened by Every Lama in Tibet - AND HE HAD A HISTORY OF EPILEPSY 2. There is actually evidence that prolonged meditation CAUSES temporal lobe epilepsy 3. There’s even a direct case study of a person who had NO previous history or risk of epilepsy who got it because of meditation ...
@gloriasilence
10 жыл бұрын
Hi, Rick... Do you have a website for Peter Jones? I could not find one on my own...:) Thank you...
@searchsummit
10 жыл бұрын
No. I hadn't heard of him until Linda mentioned him.
@terryc9010
9 жыл бұрын
Hi Gloria, Peter Jones' website: peterji.com/index.html By the way, he is referring himself as Peter Ji nowadays.
@gloriasilence
9 жыл бұрын
Terry C Hi, Terry... Thank you so much... I guess I could have followed up with Rick and asked him to find out since it seems he has easy access to teachers/info re: teachers....but I didn't...and here you are with the info... Thank you beyond words, Terry...:)
@TheFpCassini
8 жыл бұрын
hi rick- what town do you live in where 30% of the population meditates? i know Boulder has more than 10k! Figured it out- Fairfield Iowa!
@Batgap
8 жыл бұрын
Bingo!
@kwixotic
10 жыл бұрын
If it's JUST an issue of fear, then even psychopaths are Enlightened because they never have fear aside from the lack of any empathy or conscience.
@AMcF54
8 жыл бұрын
oneness and twoness coexisting both/and brings only love
@TransferOfAwakening
10 жыл бұрын
I am enlightened. Yes. True. Why say so? Because, not saying so would be lying. Not saying so would be being ungrateful to the grace, God, Nature, Shakti, Guru, Evolution... ...that bought it. Therefore, say it... ...in spite of all the risks... ...including potentially being ridiculed, made fun of... ...or being seen as ignorant or arrogant :-)
@shibui41
10 жыл бұрын
Well at least you are not teaching and charging to teach (AFAIK). What concerns me about Linda is that she is so vague - about her so-called enlightenment, and about her teaching method. She teaches meditation, presumeably. She comes from the Japanese Zen tradition, so is she teaching with koans, or she is teaching shikan-taza, or what? Rick should have questioned her to make that clear. Plus, the Zen sects do not usually allow just anybody to teach - there is a rigorous training before such permission is granted ... there are many unanswered questions here.
@TransferOfAwakening
10 жыл бұрын
As far as I know no real test exists for enlightenemnt. I wouldn't recommend using sleep as a test for enlightenment. My mom never claimed any awakening. Yet, I could ask her any question when she was asleep and she would answer it to the best of her knowledge. I have been very much the same way.
@inezznewmann8185
10 жыл бұрын
Crazy
@DLBurggraf
10 жыл бұрын
In order that the aspirant may rise above his self-imposed limitation that the truth becomes personified as a teacher; it is the disciple then who calls him forth. From the teacher's point of view, there can be no teacher and no disciple for he sees only himself.
@DLBurggraf
10 жыл бұрын
I forgot to mention these words were given by my Guru Premanandanath (John Levy).
@TransferOfAwakening
10 жыл бұрын
Are all "enlightened" same? No. Is Tolle same as Ramana, Jiddu, Adyashanti, Osho, Amma or Linda? No. Gaining enlightenment is a bit like... ...gaining the physical ability of "adulthood". All "adults"... ...have gained "adulthood" and in that respect they are same. Yet... ...all adults are not really same... ...in the physicality of their adulthood or in its power, capacity, stamina or attraction. Kids can and... ...do... ...make all kind of "stories"... ...about what happens after one gains adulthood. These "stories" seldom help and often mislead. Luckily... ...almost everyone gains adulthood and thus imagination only lasts few years :-)
@swingtrade2
10 жыл бұрын
human is an idea and powerless as a tree. existence trapped in object.
@TransferOfAwakening
10 жыл бұрын
Awakening = direct, first-hand, irrefutable... ...experience... ...that "you" don't exist. Jnana (true knowledge) = The above knowledge that "you" don't exist. What exist is neither "you"... ...nor "not you". What exists is neither one... ...nor... ...multiple... ...neither "knowable"... ...nor "not knowable". Enlightenment = Living your life ...right now... ...with that jnana (true knowledge)...
@sunkith5047
10 жыл бұрын
Can you tell me if any of the world views of these Buddhas is consistent with materialism: namely living beings are made purely of atoms? If materialism is true, of course 'self' is a man-made illusion.
@TransferOfAwakening
10 жыл бұрын
What are atoms made up of - energy and space? Some in old times have referred to it as Shiva (absolute) and Shakti (energy). Where did it all come from - nothingness? That would be very similar to what some ancient cultures have called causeless cause - the God principle - the ultimate reality. As far as "self" is concerned - I think it is more illusory than most of us might think. It is already clear than once one loses memory, he/she doesn't have same "self" anymore. But, what about the the times when you lose 'consciousness' as in under general anesthesia? Where is the "self" then?
@TransferOfAwakening
10 жыл бұрын
There is no loss of consciousness in deep dreamless sleep. Even those with no direct awareness (and recollection) of deep dreamless sleep can and do hear and understand things such as the sound of alarm clock.
@TransferOfAwakening
10 жыл бұрын
Reverend Eslam What is True Self? There is a great intelligent process. That intelligent process (likely) created galaxies, gravity, great chaos and great order (possibly) using some very simple principles - one example, Fibonacci series. That intelligent process also created human brain, body, digestive system, cell division, breathing, blood flow, immune system. The "consciousness" that calls itself "I" is a very small part of that intelligent process. The "consciousness" that calls itself "I" has no direct awareness of how the immune system, cell division works in its own body... ...let alone the direct awareness of how galaxies and gravity work. I haven't me, heard or read anyone claim direct awareness (or control) of cell division, digestive system, immune system... ...let alone the operation of galaxies.
@yanbibiya
8 жыл бұрын
that's a lot of sightseeing she did.
@MightyFineMedia
10 жыл бұрын
Omg! This woman is full of rubbish!! Enlightenment hard to have like some sort of burden? Teaching a trial of personal sacrifice? Clearly she is living some sort of mentally trained experience - enlightenment it isn't though.
@yanbibiya
8 жыл бұрын
poor enlightenment experience. sounds like an absence of experience. How can that be attractive. OK it's good to be free from fear but that's not how it's described here. If I didn't know any better then I'd say she had therapy. these people are very confused . I'm not getting any clarity from this conversation. it's OK though. she's off to sit with someone else. there is no love or bliss here. tell me I'm wrong? she talks about a mind state. I'd say she was numb . she ain't helping I feel.
@TransferOfAwakening
10 жыл бұрын
Who would want to be... ..."always conscious"? If you have pain in your shoulder... ...would you want to be conscious of that pain... ...while you sleep? These are unnecessary childish stories that some people make and believe in.
@searchsummit
10 жыл бұрын
The senses are shut down during sleep. You wouldn't be aware of the pain in your shoulder. But awareness isn't blotted out by sleep. It remains awake to itself without an object. Not a story, but a common description of the enlightened state. A useful benchmark, because you can't fake it.
@TransferOfAwakening
10 жыл бұрын
Rick Archer Awareness is awake to itself... ...irrespective of any enlightenment... Enlightenment or awakening just makes it... ...stark naked and one can no longer ignore it. Regarding sleep, one question we can ask is... ..."If I am really asleep... ...who hears the alarm clock and interprets it as "I need to wake up?" Sleep is not very different from wakeful state... ...irrespective of enlightenment... Dream is like... ...being lost in deep thoughts. Deep dreamless sleep is like... ...thoughtless, effortless meditation.
@TheSoteriologist
10 жыл бұрын
Rick Archer The Buddha (that is *the* awakened one par excellence) clearly pointed out that consciousness is dependently arisen and hence impermanent. *Hi Rick*, perhaps it is time to inquire why awareness in deep sleep should be a benchmark, rather than the much more interesting question of whether awareness persists during full narcosis (and I do not mean the horrible cases of failed narcosis that only induces paralysis but no shutting off of consciousness). It seems most of those same people fail at that. Choosing deep sleep as a criterion seems to stem from an outdated culture full of partially nonsensical spiritual traditions, that has no knowledge of the phenomenon of full narcosis. If there is a difference in awareness between the state of deep sleep and that during narcosis, then to hold the awareness in deep sleep to be indicative of anything transcendent would obviously have to be considered as a profound delusion. All in all, it sometimes seems to me that interviewing "awakened" people enlightens us less about the truth than reports of NDEs. It seems Ram Dass has come to a similar conclusion.
@searchsummit
10 жыл бұрын
Soteriologe A small sampling of quotes on this topic: ‘’If the beginningless, impure vasanas that remain as the cause for waking and dream leave and perish, the state of sleep (previously perceived as) void-like and dull, and which led us into a state of ignorance and suffering, will become the transcendent state of turiya.’’ Guru Vachaka Kovai verse 460 Question : Can I make myself remember my state of deep sleep? Nisargadatta Maharaj : Of course! By eliminating the intervals of inadvertence during your waking hours you will gradually eliminate the long interval of absent-mindedness which you call sleep. You will be aware that you are asleep. ‘ I am That’, talk 8, 2nd June 1970 “ Only in an intellect that has developed a desire for the waking state will the eminent state of deep sleep, which is all bliss, be classified as a state of ignorance: ‘I did not know anything during sleep.’ By failing to enquire into and realize the true experience that exists and shines in the same way forever, one becomes deluded and thinks, ’I am the one who woke up.’ If that powerful sheath of the intellect, the ignorance that is experienced in the waking state, is destroyed by the sword of vichara (that leads to the knowledge), I am not the one who woke up’, then the eminent state of sleep will shine, remaining as pure bliss, its ignorance destroyed.’ Guru Vachaka Kovai verse 461 Robert Adams: R: Consciousness permeates everything and when you are a jnani you are aware of the dreamless state, you're in the dreamless state but you are aware of it. The ordinary is person is consciousness when they're asleep and dreamless sleep they're not aware of it, that's the only difference. S: Oh so it's just a matter of... R: Levels, it's a matter of levels of enlightenment. S: So a Jnani is conscious during dream, dreamless sleep. R: A Jnani is always in dreamless sleep but is aware of it. Other quotes can be found : Guru Vachaka Kovai vs. 457, 567, 568, 634, 685, 959, 960,1072 Padamalai vs. 21, 22, 183 Talks no 136, 481, 314, Maharshi’s Gospel p 83 Day by Day 28.11 46 Tripura Rahasya chap. 16 ‘I am That’, talk 11, 10th June 1970
@TransferOfAwakening
10 жыл бұрын
Soteriologe >>If there is a difference in awareness between the state of deep sleep and that during narcosis There is a clear difference. People world over wake up from their sleep to catch a flight on hearing alarm clock. This means... ...they can hear, interpret and understand while they are asleep. That means... awareness is clearly present in sleep... ...for most people... You can't perform surgery on a person in deep dreamless sleep. He/she would experience pain and wake up. That means senses do operate in... sleep. That means... awareness is clearly present in sleep...
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