You should definitely do a rare only list. I'm playing almost every day and I still only have a handful of epics.
@johnpurgent4422
3 ай бұрын
All Rares would be alot of support follower level increase 3 levels and free mana. Majority of the fun rare combos are highlighted. The tier list also wouldnt change much. My biggest disagreements would be Kench with his stat growth build I would say is A-S tier as long as you go to vaults, Garen(I would say A because I beat less with 2 rare and 23), Jinx has such a high failure rate due to high counter I would say C. Fun build for all rare build is goldmancer Ornn. Maximize gold and pray for good shops. It worked very well.
@tomhamilton3791
3 ай бұрын
I agree, I only have a couple of epics and I don’t have starforged gauntlet uet
@nekochan1659
3 ай бұрын
@@tomhamilton3791even we don't know how to get it for now, since the package already been removed.
@pdxnguyen91
3 ай бұрын
I also play almost every day and I have almost all the epic relics
@Mewobiba
Ай бұрын
Agree. And it's not just epics in general but specifically Starforged Gauntlets. You kinda need to beat the 4-star adventures to get a decent number of epic relics, so relying on having found one specific such relic makes this list kinda not useful for a lot of players.
@andrewspears8891
3 ай бұрын
This list is also helpful for "what's the most overpowered builds for each champ."
@fredv7349
3 ай бұрын
Darius is difficult but you just have to roll for Titanic wake, and then he becomes extremely broken. He has been my quickest time vs Lissandra at 10 mins. Titanic wake, helia and the map is destroyed.
@Fushur7
3 ай бұрын
Thanks for your massive Effort, really nice work and very helpful.
@kimlongtr7502
3 ай бұрын
For Elder Dragon, Portal Pal works better for Lissandra battle. You have 2 more units to play so that means 4 more boons and also contribute to Elder levels up fasster than just+1/+1 overwhelm. The same is for Vollie Bear but for him I use Corrupted Fragment to kill off any none titanic units. But yeah, it's pretty accurate where elder stand on this tier list but you will have an easier time between the two relics
@ucbuiminh9000
3 ай бұрын
i also use portal pals on volibear but instead of CSF, im using double gatebreaker for ending the game faster
@gabrielfernandessoaresgome3616
3 ай бұрын
Darius is D tier only if you try to play him the traditional way like you explained in the video, but if you go with full reroll build e force to get Trifarian Might or Titanic wake, he becomes at least A Tier in my opnion. And you dont need to be very luck because they are rare powers. He was my first win against Lissandra, in the third atempt i got Trifarian Might, and it was ez pz.
@danielandrada4740
3 ай бұрын
Do i just build triple z drive reroll?
@NaveenKumar-ep7iq
2 ай бұрын
Exactly ,I ran three reroll z drive relics on him and got trifarian might and titanify making his run super easy
@thelorddarkam3563
2 ай бұрын
This is one of those thing i will not remember when i leve up him *sigh*
@thelorddarkam3563
2 ай бұрын
@@NaveenKumar-ep7iq you reroll in the start ?
@NaveenKumar-ep7iq
2 ай бұрын
@@thelorddarkam3563 That's right. To play Darius you need to wait for 4 to 5 turns. Instead you keep rerolling with z drives in the first node when you choose your powers and hope you get the Trifarian might or Titantic wake powers.
@nothanks1138
3 ай бұрын
The one big weakness of this list is the limited availability of starforged gauntlets. Either you bought it or you didn't right now. Every champ should at least have a starforged-less build. Not necessarily rare-only, though that would be nice too.
@TheTalekith
3 ай бұрын
i vouch for this
@kiyoslovermangxakieungao8955
3 ай бұрын
I tried out Jinx last night against Liss and got so close to beating her. It was 2 hit away lmao. Granted I didn't have any Epic relics aside from the one you get from beating Asol so I could try grinding some stardust and fragments before attempting it again
@jpbeybldergthhyutu
3 ай бұрын
Gwen was not the first rare only build, It was Annie! Loved you effort for this list! Really helpful.
@TheRaziboy
2 ай бұрын
What is a good replacement for starforge gauntlets? Kinda hate that most builds have that relic.
@iriezzz
3 ай бұрын
love this vid! would love one w/o epic relics too - i think you could do it well even without playtesting them
@thelorddarkam3563
2 ай бұрын
Starforge is gatekeeping so much of the actual content
@d3m0nger
Ай бұрын
Wow, I just played Norra and she felt ultra wacky vs Lissandra. Damn, my time is so rare and the run with Norra was so much waste. I was even 4* and lost twice with some nice combos gained during the run.
@d3m0nger
Ай бұрын
For Annie, Echoing Spirit. Archangels, Comet seems way better. Comet can be Counterplan. Always having annie turn 1 seems way more important than the 3rd Relic. If you start with 9 Anni, you don't need Counterplan because it is limited how many of them are actually necessary.
@TomRauhe
3 ай бұрын
Time stamps would again be incredibly helpful for future reference of builds ❤️
@troyredway6427
3 ай бұрын
Lux was my first champ to beat lissandra and now twice. Give her the power that stuns the board on level up. combined with the free rallies you have stacked up she OTK's most fights.
@NaveenKumar-ep7iq
2 ай бұрын
Lux illuminated or Lux mage version?
@zarkzy1306
3 ай бұрын
Putting Lillia on S and then Neeko on B makes literally no sense since you're going for the same build (Echoing + x2 GO). Neeko with that build easily goes infinite and wins on turn 1 versus Lissandra, before you can even play Lillia. All you need is to go through Mind Meld, which is always available.
@jkeeku
Ай бұрын
LOL when everyone uses starforge meanwhile i dont own it
@MartialCardist
3 ай бұрын
Thank you for this. I now have my lineup who to level up to max and clear Lissandra 5 times and then never touch that garbage adventure.
@Zuvas
3 ай бұрын
With Garen I like Death Foil Because when I attack, I can use the single combat spell on him and not worry about dying. Then I am guaranteed to hit twice and level him up
@liamsmith1490
3 ай бұрын
i never understood why people think this relic is bad its strong with the right champions in particular champions with combat tricks that risk losing the unit Gwen is another such champion.
@pchou8118
3 ай бұрын
Man I really want the spectral scissors 😢 haven't been able to unlock it yet
@lordveigar938
3 ай бұрын
I AM SSS+++ TIER I AM THE STRONGEST PERSON IN RUNETERRA
@arisaliakerwood3999
3 ай бұрын
I just wish u could make a tuerlist eith rare relics only .. since most of us have few epic relics
@definiteIynotkenji
3 ай бұрын
Toast a better video for today especially since we'll probably get a lot of new players would be a rare only guide for new players
@mandesir1
19 күн бұрын
I finally leveled Morgana ans was breezing through the Lissandra campaign only to ran into "It that stares" and completely forget the advice in this video 🤦🏾♂
@shigeru6282
3 ай бұрын
By the way is it possible to get starforged from reliquary? It was paid relic for a while that's for sure but I don't know if it's possible for f2p to get it
@jmmaliza7389
3 ай бұрын
This really helps coz now I can simply recommend this to my friends and why this champ is broken
@lysmrtz
3 ай бұрын
thanks for this, I was busy with school gonna wreck liss now
@ningyounk5978
2 ай бұрын
It's kind of disheartening to see how much that Tier List boils down to "Can this Champion use Starforged Gauntlet"...
@hyunshimotsuki6860
2 ай бұрын
i disgaree, i think it boils down to who can control the board better u can clearly see annie,jhin,kindred etc.
@archydragon5213
3 ай бұрын
I thought he is disguise toast at beginning
@moriyasanae8130
2 ай бұрын
how is Darius D tier if he is the first one i use to beat Lissandra it was not even close, almost a oneshot i got Titanic, and doublecated LeBlanc, but LeBlanc does not even matter because any quick attacker will work
@fluffybunny7089
2 ай бұрын
I disagree with the Lillia build, Getting the +2/+2 item where your champion and the enemies strongest unit strike each other could be run ending vs Lissandra. If the watcher comes down, you will never get Lillia on the board again. I found the succubus's brand with 2 stalker's blade to be really powerful, since you get a lot of kills and then your units are able to come in with increased stats.
@AJENTxSPACELY
3 ай бұрын
Is it possible to get Starforged Gauntlets if you started after the bundle left the shop?
@wilsonsanabia4259
3 ай бұрын
Currently you can't, however they'll add it to the epic pool in the future eventually
@AJENTxSPACELY
3 ай бұрын
@wilsonsanabia4259 I hope so cause I feel like a lot of people of missed it cause they went hard on PoC after it was gone from the shop 😅
@wilsonsanabia4259
3 ай бұрын
@@AJENTxSPACELY Oh yeah, it's a super good relic on so many champions, but while it's very very strong, you (currently) don't really need it to beat any content, other than Lissandra ofc
@islandiados274
3 ай бұрын
This is a great list!.. Annie is S tier and still there isn't any video of Annie vs. Lissandra (or I cannot find it)
@islandiados274
3 ай бұрын
I stand corrected: kzitem.info/news/bejne/qqOerYawrqCLZqA&ab_channel=STGReplays
@SpicyToastGaming
3 ай бұрын
That would be in the stream Vods channel. Link in the description.
@daiwizzy
3 ай бұрын
i wonder if they'll nerf starforged gauntlets given how OP they are. it also throws a wrench into balancing things since the 1 extra mana is so busted and events that are tuned with starting 3 mana is going to be too hard for non-starforged gauntlet users and events tuned for starting with 2 mana makes it too easy for those with starforged gauntlets.
@lukevidaya7014
3 ай бұрын
It will be great to add time stamps for each champions❤
@timothyfloyd3269
3 ай бұрын
it would be but if you notice he did do them in alphabetical order so its not too hard to find.
@rakanirawadi2248
3 ай бұрын
i sometimes build jhin with that invincible when attack blessing and extra 1 skill damage to penetrate tough trait. its work like a charm.
@Bestname_Ever
3 ай бұрын
his 3 star power is already overpowered, rather than the invincible relic, isnt the cannon better?
@rakanirawadi2248
3 ай бұрын
@@Bestname_Ever i still use cannon though. its just for survivability on attack round.well, y know, Jhin deck is so weak than the enemy. so yeah.
@Bestname_Ever
3 ай бұрын
@@rakanirawadi2248 rather than survivability on attacking rounds, isnt it better to added in survivability in defending round or just added in a 'win more' relic? realistically most of the threats are already stunned. and with cannon, youd already had 2 of them stunned, and 2 quick stun spells in hand, on attack, youd probably had on stun on stack as well. its a bit excessive when jhin on attack is already battle dmg invincible, he only is vulnerable from spells well... its a PvE so i won't deny there's a chance the bot will throw and waste some spells on jhin on attack. but this is lis we're talking about, she obliterate.
@rakanirawadi2248
3 ай бұрын
@@Bestname_Ever well, my build is on long term (probably 2-3 round before she spammed that ice shard). i mean it good enough? my build make me winning on full hp.
@Bestname_Ever
3 ай бұрын
@@rakanirawadi2248 thats good enough.
@andrejoss475
3 ай бұрын
Thank you, i've been waiting for a liss tier list since i don't want to do the adventure any more than 5 times (not really my thing, i prefer asol adventure) i've beaten it with ASOL when it came out since i knew it would be easy for him but then i got stumped on figuring out who else to use tried out yasuo with your build and it was smooth sailing all the way, i'm pretty sure i took 0 damage the entire run, i highly recommend using him to anyone else who wants to trivialize this adventure
@szymonkardasz6127
3 ай бұрын
i got almost my first win with tahm on lisandra if i didnt make mistake with miscalculation (my artefacts was +2/2 if damaged and regeneration since i have only idk 25 lvl on him??) i think you done him little dirty
@dieterbohlen1572
3 ай бұрын
When are Constellations hitting?
@RrR-uc5by
3 ай бұрын
do u have the dream of yordles relic? i want to suggest u to try it on elise cause my friend said it does stack if her 3* transfer it multi times,but i dont have 3* elise to test it out,if can then can you also pair it with the epic axe?
@nekochan1659
3 ай бұрын
Yes, it does, works well with epic axe. You can also add Galeforce, for stacking effectively.
@RrR-uc5by
3 ай бұрын
@@nekochan1659 if the axe work then does she also transfer the stacks on her or still just 1 stack of everything?
@nekochan1659
3 ай бұрын
@@RrR-uc5byNo sadly, 1 attack just grant 1 stack.
@RrR-uc5by
3 ай бұрын
@@nekochan1659 yea i was seeing that coming,since that's how the keyword sharing thingy work,that a sside tho,the axe can still boost other spiderlings on board so i think it still worthy
@liamsmith1490
3 ай бұрын
why not put beast within in place of trolls kings?
@kiral98
3 ай бұрын
I only have 2 useful epic relics 😢
@MrMuzzlemuff
3 ай бұрын
No time stamps is pain
@jumpxingion
3 ай бұрын
Oh you have tested everyone of the "undecided" champs? Also rip second Norra
@jumpxingion
3 ай бұрын
Btw toast, this is my other youtube account. I am just going to be using this one the most.
@Lunarsicle
3 ай бұрын
Can you use starforge gautlets less because you need to pay for it
@ZaberFangAT
3 ай бұрын
Yeah, kinda sucks, especially since it's not in the store anymore. That said, he said at the start of the video that this is going to absolutely optimal, best-case scenario builds. SFG is really good, so of course it's going to end up on a bunch of champs.
@sithyyy
2 ай бұрын
please do tier lists without epic relics... i (and probably most people) dont have them
@tanguyschubert7664
2 ай бұрын
What about viego
@TheFlonn
3 ай бұрын
Yeah... i don't have those epic relics... So i was able to do her only with Nidalee, Kindred nad ASol... I could do her with couple of more champs, but her power that limits you to play only 3 cards is screwing a lot of champs complietly, at least with my collection level.
@nekochan1659
3 ай бұрын
You can use Le Blanc and Lillia, they doesn't need epic relic that much. stalker blade / guardian orb is enough.
@TheFlonn
3 ай бұрын
@@nekochan1659 I don't have those aswell.
@suteguma0
3 ай бұрын
how did bro get all these epic relics 😭
@tanzo6950
3 ай бұрын
Hi, im new at Runnetera, how a champion can use epic relic? I have aatrox 3 stars and lvl 30 but cant use epic relic, thank you
@lauriebleaupedro2934
3 ай бұрын
You need to have the Spirit Forge relic. Equip it on your rare slot and it will unlock when you finish a 3+ star adventure. You can only use it once tho, but you can buy more from the shop or you can get it from rewards.
@nekochan1659
3 ай бұрын
1. Buy "Spirit Forge" from Emporium. 2. Place it on your champ rare relic slot. 3. Win in 3+ stars adventure And now your rare slot upgraded to epic slot
@tanzo6950
3 ай бұрын
@@nekochan1659 where is emporium feature?
@tanzo6950
3 ай бұрын
@@lauriebleaupedro2934 where is the shop?
@nekochan1659
3 ай бұрын
@@tanzo6950 go the store, there's option for emporium.
@thecoldflame020
3 ай бұрын
Here before timestamps.
@Rex-ox1rb
2 ай бұрын
My brother in christ what in the fuck do you mean "Illaoi has one of the best main decks in the game" ???? Out of all the champs I have unlocked Illaoi is by far the weakest out of all of them. She takes ages to set up/level up and that's if by some miracle your tentacles actually survive and aren't sniped before they can grow to any reasonable size. Doesn't help that Illaoi herself is also fragile as shit, by the time she comes down she's got maybe half the stats of any enemy minions in 3+ star adventures
@TheFerwing
3 ай бұрын
Audio was a bit inconsistent through the video, with highs and lows. Good content nontheless!
@zarok13
2 ай бұрын
this adventure is too dependent on luck or rather your unluck to be fun - you can litteraly have a perfect run right up to lisandre only to be completely destroyed by mere chance - not fun just annoying 👿
@Fratute1301
3 ай бұрын
Why so many champs are using the sharpsight relic
@brooktocknell8575
3 ай бұрын
To activate starforged
@Zuvas
3 ай бұрын
Just use any relic that boost atk or def so that you have 8+
@chriss0686
3 ай бұрын
Hello mister toast,im kinda late to the video so i cant quite say my comment is irrelevant but would you ever think about making a guide video specific for us the f2p peeps who kidnsa struggle with their builds especially against Lissandra
@Solom_A
2 ай бұрын
:)
@marciobkc7399
3 ай бұрын
This tier list isn't very useful since it changes a lot without epic relics. I found it funny that Jinx is in tier A, considering it's impossible depending on what you find, and Lux, whom I managed to beat at level 20 without an epic relic, is in tier B
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