I go for the shoot down on P1, P2 for the simple reason that life is short, arguments are long unless you stop them where they fail.
@DynaCatlovesme
8 жыл бұрын
Hilarious seeing Matt and Shook obliviously chatting on and on while everyone else goes nuts!
@jonfmcdropout
8 жыл бұрын
i am watching this with mild interest. we shall see how long this cordiality lasts...
@rationalagenda7083
8 жыл бұрын
good to see Shawn hosting discussions - can't say as I have the patience for Bell and his Kalam
@ChristopherHitchslap
8 жыл бұрын
The live chat is enabled but not showing up right now. This room will open up to the public as soon as the conversation is over so look for the link.
@nwolc8826
8 жыл бұрын
ChristopherHitchslap I'm a clown.
@TheProdigalMeowMeowMeowReturns
7 жыл бұрын
I'M BUSY
@fangbang7987
7 жыл бұрын
You're Webcam made you look as if you were in a movie (:
@jonfmcdropout
8 жыл бұрын
funny to watch two old men, so enthralled in their own bullshit they have no idea what is going on around them... maybe this is why they get along so well?
@rationalagenda7083
8 жыл бұрын
I notice at 1:30hrs that Bells responce to your claim of disingenuous use of language was that he had clearly defined his terms and remained consistent with them. Strange how that defence dosnt seem to be worth jack shit when Krauss clearly (very clearly, very explicitly) defines his terms and remains consistent with them. This goal post shifting is typical of Bell. It is how he manages to be so argumentative, which some strange people seem to think makes him an intellegent debater. Just watch him for a couple of hours and see how often he pulls the double standards. When to infer suits him, it is fine and reasonable, when some else infers, he will discount it as being without factual basis
@DubhghlasMacDubhghlas
8 жыл бұрын
this is why I don't grave durbate. More real crazy shit in the world to talk about. Only reason why I am here to read comments. I haven't seen this much political/civil unrest since the age of enlightenment.
@MaximusConfessesApologist
8 жыл бұрын
Hey ***** just curious to know if there will be a link to join the hangout. And if so, how long in the video before you let people in?
@HelenaHandbaskit
8 жыл бұрын
***** How are YOU even in there?, lolololol
@ChristopherHitchslap
8 жыл бұрын
+Maximus Confesses I will send you the link now but please wait until I open it up
@DynaCatlovesme
8 жыл бұрын
The communications problem actually makes this interesting, have to see how it gets solved. Otherwise, I'd have left awhile ago.
@aljo909
8 жыл бұрын
Just to clarify an important point. Matt's pronunciation of empirical as "emperical" is not a scots thing. It's peculiar to him.
@jonfmcdropout
8 жыл бұрын
oh i get. matt just doesn't like the fact that a god, under either position, doesn't care... so he justifies the leap to a personal agent by the uncomfortable feeling it gives him, and manages (through sheer force of will, i'd imagine) to suppress the lack of indication in favour of wishful thinking.
@MenChooseSlavesObey
8 жыл бұрын
by "Cause" does Matt Bell mean an event or intent?
@MyBozhidar
8 жыл бұрын
Suppose we ask a believer whether s/he wishes nonbelievers burn in hell? what kind of answers can we expect to that question: .evasion. .god does not want anybody to burn in hell. .god must or has the right to punish evil doers or nonbelievers .and because non-believers suppress love for god or belief in him; reject his love/etc. .etcetc etcetc. But since god wishes nonbelievers burn in hell that means or proves that you the believer also wish nonbelievers burn in hell. Now, you have to watch it, you tell her/him!! If you do not earnestly wish [love your god with all your heart and mind] nonbelievers burn in hell, god would know it according to believers and he will for sure also send you to hell!
@deesmith4800
8 жыл бұрын
Oooh, looks like Dr John R. Shook has far more books than Matt Slick :P ;)
@jamesgillespie3925
7 жыл бұрын
that one frign guy in the white shirt/glasses seems to be sitting there listening to himself talk without end.
0:24:23 Matt Bell, that would not be the lord of the gaps argument, more commonly called an argument from ignorance. That would just be a baseless claim. What is funny is how you just some seconds later is annoyed by why atheists don't just grant you your argument from ignorance. See 0:25:16 for when you do this.
@evadwall1057
8 жыл бұрын
Christopher Dirtnap, lol
@Volound
8 жыл бұрын
matthew bellend.
@daftprick8740
8 жыл бұрын
Volound Matt is kinda cool though.
@nwolc8826
8 жыл бұрын
Volound They're both clowns though.
@MMasterDE
8 жыл бұрын
Matt Bell? Hahahaha Kalam Cosmological? Hahahaha This is going to be painful!
@MMasterDE
8 жыл бұрын
***** Well, it has Matt Bell first tries to argue that WLC's use of the Kalam does not have any arguments from ignorance/lord of the gaps at 0:24:33 , even though what he calls a lord of the gaps argument is not actually a lord of the gaps argument, but then some few seconds later at 0:25:16 go on to complain about how atheists don't just grant him an actual argument from ignorance... One gets the distinct impression that he doesn't know what an argument from ignorance is. :p
@yancarpenter545
8 жыл бұрын
Most boring debate ever.
@jonfmcdropout
8 жыл бұрын
sadly, these two appear to be swallowing their own bullshit...
@jonfmcdropout
8 жыл бұрын
***** i'm afraid so.
@jonfmcdropout
8 жыл бұрын
***** well, i didn't say 'full', but this has been a non-conversation, with both parties picking buzzwords and reaffirming their own positions on those words. each refuses to acknowledge their interlocutors position, in favor of the repetition of rhetoric, and arguments against people who are not in the hangout. they have been talking, but there has been zero dialogue...
@weaseldragon
8 жыл бұрын
The kalam argument doesn't work because it's stupid.
@pauldhoff
8 жыл бұрын
The total energy of the universe is ZERO. Paul.
@quintinphillips
8 жыл бұрын
My imaginary friend has told me to stop watching this.
@HelenaHandbaskit
8 жыл бұрын
turn on q&a showcase sucks
@ChristopherHitchslap
8 жыл бұрын
+Helena Handbaskit Its not working sorry
@TheHolySpackle
8 жыл бұрын
ChristopherHitchslap I just learned the downfall of accidental white boxing when you are hosting lol didn't mean to over lap your hang have been catching up. :)
@jerseyengineer7819
8 жыл бұрын
Matt bell has got snot coming from his nose
@JimGardner
6 жыл бұрын
Bellend
@ocolotav1
6 жыл бұрын
Matt Bell seem very desperate to win discussions, talks without caring what others say and brings conversations to a useless conversation it seems useless talking to him.
@jonfmcdropout
8 жыл бұрын
this has gotten to be unlistenable, and not just because of the overtalking...
@jonfmcdropout
8 жыл бұрын
it's become more masturbation, than conversation, at this point...
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