Yes, it's sad we can't share this part of our lives with our parents but it would only hurt them so there is no point. don't tell them till your out of college or they may withdraw financial support. I am 60 and I have never told them. I just smile and love them on their terms, I guess its no faker than their faith is anyhow. I think there are just sweet people out there that really need to think this way. Get out of school, get your own place and as far from home as you can. Doesn't mean you don't love them. Just shows you've grown up and away as our little birds do.
@thexshattered
7 жыл бұрын
I'm an atheist in the Philippines (apostatized when I was 19; I'm 26 now), where Catholicism is the predominant religion (in some of our provinces on Good Friday, a few people voluntarily get crucified, nails and everything; others self-flagellate or crawl naked on rough ground). I'm actually surprised that most of the people outside my family whom I've told I'm an atheist are completely fine with it; I noticed that it's usually family members or people who feel close enough to me to have a say in my life that have a problem with my atheism. My siblings know I'm an atheist, but my parents don't and I don't plan on telling them any time soon (while I'm still living under their roof) because even just questioning my mom's beliefs (in a friendly discussion) gets her amped up. I'm just glad my siblings don't bother me about it and that my boyfriend is an atheist as well (it would be difficult to find someone else who shares the same views here). It's my dream to move to Canada actually since, from what I've heard, society there is a bit more accepting when it comes to race and religion, as well as other cultural differences. I'm sick of the church meddling in our laws and government agencies (some government offices here even hold Catholic mass regularly even though we have a law for separation of church and state). In 3 to 5 years hopefully I'll be able to find a job and move to Toronto maybe (if they let me immigrate lol). Also, I've heard of CFI in the US and didn't know that they were in Canada as well (are they connected in any way?) so it would be awesome to become a part of that, like you. There are a few secular/humanist groups here in the Philippines but I haven't found the time to attend one of their get togethers (they hold seminars and talks and other stuff, which is cool).
@jamesparson
7 жыл бұрын
As a USAian, I can say that Canada is a beautiful country. It is a lot like the United States except much, much more relaxed about ... well everything.
@GuitarMAXMusic
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this video! Question: Do you think telling your parents would put your education in jeopardy? Could they somehow block you from completely school since they might feel that you're not living the life they want?
@tvnorminstudio3080
3 жыл бұрын
Wait I’m subscribed to this guy and he’s chilling in the comments section of a video about closet atheism?
@tvnorminstudio3080
3 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@atheistechoes9594
3 жыл бұрын
If they disown you they don't deserve you
@MrCharlesdick
7 жыл бұрын
when you do eventually have the talk with your family, expect it to be awkward and expect hurt feelings. religious people tend to feel threatened by a non-religious worldview because their worldview does not stand up to the light of reality. ultimately coming out will be far less exhausting than hiding your honest self.
@atheistechoes9594
3 жыл бұрын
I came out as an atheist to my family but i still feel like a closeted atheist sometimes literally i spend most of my time in my bedroom cause everything i say offends my family
@sleepless2541
3 жыл бұрын
same
@Playami
6 жыл бұрын
richard carrier is one of my favorites... obviously behind Dawkins, Hitchens, Krauss, Harris.
@jamesparson
7 жыл бұрын
I need to catch my breath here. I could not watch your video from end to end because, but you are just putting so much out there. If feel overwhelmed. I have watched many many atheist videos and I feel like I just watched 10 of them in a row. I will try to give a better response later, but here are my first thoughts... Take it one step at a time. There is no rush on any of this. You talk about studies, going to a university, being teenager, being a adult, living in a city, living on a farm, farm animals, parents, moving to a new place, holy books, etc. I bet you could make a 1/2 hour video on each and every one of these topics. Maybe its because I am older. I can't go this fast. Can I go to field with the dog? ~~~ In all seriousness, you are doing great. Being an atheist means all kinds of questions have to be asked. It might take a while for the answers to be discovered.
@sageautumnnyland1352
7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I realized that while editing. I guess since I haven't posted in so long there was a lot I needed to say. Also, I have zero experience with vlogging so bear with me. Sorry about that!
@jamesparson
7 жыл бұрын
You asked for a book recommendation. I don't have that, but here is an article recommendation: www.patheos.com/blogs/raindevil/2017/02/5-tips-for-being-in-the-world/ I hope is it helpful
@mr.t1294
7 жыл бұрын
James Mohler I will take this advice, like the uploader I have a flood of different emotions especially coming from a Roman Catholic background, making that leap is HEAVY. Stepping into the unknown is a frightful thing, but you develop a stronger mind, your able to use more reason than you ever did before. I'm starting to realize that now.
@jamesparson
7 жыл бұрын
FYI: I am an ex Catholic. It has been said that Catholicism is like a car with every option imaginable. It takes a lot untangle it. When I hear Sage's stories about how it is impacting her relationship with her family, it really hits home with me. Things that were once not a problem be come problems.
@danbenesh540
7 жыл бұрын
James is right. This video could be expanded into 20. Your "coming out" story particularly with your parents' religious background, and the resolution could be quite interesting to the general public. And more importantly, could really help those questioning their faith going forward.
@herjeansdontlie6623
7 жыл бұрын
Dan Benesh While I'm not religious (spiritual) atheists have addressed me and others with horrifyingly negative comments. Turds, retards, assholes, shitheads - whatever the case may be. Atheists don't walk the walk. They cry when they see a Christmas wreath on the door entering Walmart, but won't group together to help the homeless (I was homeless years ago, and religious people helped me tremendously.)
@danbenesh540
7 жыл бұрын
HER JEANS DON'T LIE many atheists in America have to hide due to real persecution (losing family, job, friends, etc). How do you expect them to organize and help you publicly? You'll be happy to know that atheists are much more charitable in terms of donations however. Also more in favour of taxation to help social programs. So don't judge us TOO harshly haha...
@danbenesh540
7 жыл бұрын
Expert Opinion a few yes: 1) www.richardcarrier.info/archives/12453 2) most religious donations are self serving to their parish which in one way or another get given back to themselves through services. 3) more religious people vote conservative, and conservatives/Republicans are in favour of removing social programs and holding back Medicare and universal health care which is way more charitable than any church could ever be. 3) www.kiva.org/teams. Christians are only marginally ahead, but you should expect them to be substantially ahead given their numbers. Also sort by religion and Flying Spaghetti Monster is second to Mormons. When you add in Universalist to FSM, we are far and away first place in micro loans.
@tominator3
6 жыл бұрын
You're not alone in your coming out predicament Who to tell, when, how, etc
@jpopelish
6 жыл бұрын
The important idea to frame your discussions with your parents about the changes in the way you understand reality is the concept of honesty, and how you value honesty, because of how they raised you.
@blairfranklin7320
7 жыл бұрын
It sounds like you're suffering from the attachment system. Research this. It'll help. It affect most religious people.
@hudsonnjiru7741
7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your story and all the best with your journey.
@rexmobley2760
6 жыл бұрын
Thank You ! Sage Best of Luck on Your Journey...
@atheistechoes9594
3 жыл бұрын
I don't think i have any atheist groups in my small town of Wenatchee Washington
@atheistontheroad4545
7 жыл бұрын
Here is a bit of advice: Don't make a big deal out of telling your parents that you're atheist. If you get them together and sit down in the main room and then tell them that there is something very important that you need to tell them, it's going to blow up in your face. Honestly, that's the worst thing you can do. That ends badly every time. Instead, tell them that your new roomate is atheist and that you would like to invite her to have dinner at the farm to show them some friendship. I bet you know someone who could fill this role for you. Then just see how your parents respond. Do they forbid them from going because of their sinful, satanic ways? If so, you might want to put off telling them for a while. Do they happily agree to host the atheist and try to be accommodating? If so, just be yourself around them and eventually one of them will ask you about it directly. When they do, just say "Well, yea I'm also atheist. You couldn't tell?"
@jamesparson
7 жыл бұрын
Your comments remind me of: 5 Reasons to NOT come out as atheist. kzitem.info/news/bejne/lYmFzaaXn4V5hag PS I have never met a Christian who was happy with someone becoming an atheist.
@atheistontheroad4545
7 жыл бұрын
I basically agree with Hement. That would be a good video for Sage to check out if she hasn't yet.
@MrCharlesdick
7 жыл бұрын
there is probably an office on your campus about student organizations, so you should start by going there. you will want to post flyers in appropriate places, and those flyers should have contact information so that prospective members can communicate with you, for example by email. you might start by making a facebook presence for your group, etc. i did this same thing as a student, and it really is not that hard.
@sageautumnnyland1352
6 жыл бұрын
Did this! We have 40 members now. I'll make an update video soon (hopefully).
@hawsarwaisy9913
6 жыл бұрын
good job i like ur talking about this life >> Truth is a fact and you should not hide it, no matter how hard you are in your society or 3> family, be yourself, never run away from reality. I know this is very difficult to bear the facts of life
@uncleanunicorn4571
7 жыл бұрын
Famous atheist Greta Christina has a book focused entirely on coming out as an atheist. By the same title. You might look into that and see if any of those ideas resonate with you.
@lilchickennugget8155
7 жыл бұрын
you will find your way..keep up the good work..
@DarkMustard1337
7 жыл бұрын
Like a sage, you casted a spell..you are beautiful and smart :)
@ArtofFreeSpeech
7 жыл бұрын
You have a powerful story, Sage. I introduced Godless Cranium to your work. I hope you'll take him up on his offer. I think your story will resonate with many and you deserve a bigger audience.
@JohnCashin
7 жыл бұрын
Hi Sage, thanks for your video, I'm from the UK and I am an atheist, I'm in my 50's now, very old I know Lol, I can still very vividly remember what it was like to be 19 though, it seems like it was only yesterday, I have been an atheist for a long time and I would like to share a few things with you which I hope will help you, I was once a Christian too, when I was in my teens, back in the early 1980's, between 16 and 17 and I know how hard it can be, giving up those beliefs left me lost for a long time and it took me ages before I could even call myself an atheist, I preferred the terms 'skeptic' or 'agnostic' and I am those too but I just didn't like the word atheist because it had a lot of negative baggage attached to it, or so I thought back then. The thing to always remember, which is really important, is this, as atheists, we're NOT the ones making the positive assertion regarding our position on the question of the existence of God, most of us are not telling the world that there is no God, because most of us don't claim to know for sure either way, I'm an atheist but I don't know for sure if there is a God or if no God exists, all I know is I am not convinced that a God exists, I am unable to rationally justify believing that a God exists, that's what makes me an atheist, if we did just assert that there is no God, then we would have the burden on us to tell everyone around us, explain why we believe that no God exists and to then demonstrate why in the form of actual hard evidence. As it is, we actually don't have to say anything at all if we don't wish to, if I didn't want to, I wouldn't have to tell anyone I am an atheist, because it's not a position where I have a firm set of uncompromising beliefs and ideas, if someone is a Christian or a Muslim, then they WOULD have to declare it, to their friends and family if they didn't know, these are beliefs that someone cannot keep to themselves, they are definitive beliefs and ideas that will have an impact on their lives and the lives of the people around them. If for example, someone had parents who were Muslim and they became a Christian, there is no way they could avoid telling their parents but as a non-believer, you are not someone who has those kinds of firm beliefs, you and all of us are more the opposite, you are someone who simply rejects, questions or doubts those kinds of beliefs, hence, you're an atheist but that's just a label we have for ourselves, words have no inherent meaning, only usage, so, of course there will be some atheists who will say "there is no God" and that is still atheism but when they declare that, they have then put the burden on themselves to explain why they believe there is no God and this is not recommended, this is why most atheists don't go there, it's nigh on impossible to falsify the existence of a God or the existence of anything, for example, I can't prove that Zeus and Wodin don't exist, so I don't try to and don't need to, if someone tells me they exist, then I will happily wait for them to prove it to me, if they think they can, I don't need to do anything. If you really feel you want to tell your parents Sage, then, of course, you can, nothing wrong with it but so long as you realize that you don't really have to, you are not the one declaring what you think the facts are, your parents are believers, they are the ones who are making assertions, I still go to church now and again, I still read the Bible, purely for reference, there's nothing wrong or hypocritical about it, the only time it would be hypocritical is if I said "there is no God and the Bible is wrong", I never said that, all I have ever said was that I not convinced there is a God or that the Bible is right, so, I can do whatever I like within reason, without being hypocritical, don't feel like you're a hypocrite for going along with what your parents want you to do, they are the ones asking you to do it. If they do ever ask you, you could just say, "to be honest mum, dad, I have doubts, can you help me to do something about those doubts?", my parents are no longer alive, so I don't have to answer to them anymore and I'm too old anyway to need to answer to anyone but I sometimes say "God....if I'm wrong and you are really up there, then help me to get rid of my doubts about your existence", so far, I have had no recognisable reply but the point is this, if there is a God and if this God is a reasonable being, then this God ought to answer that prayer, if there is no God, then obviously, he cannot answer that prayer, I have no way of knowing which is the case but either way, not my fault, can you see what I'm saying? It's not your fault if your parents are wrong and there is no God, reality, and facts are outside of your control and mine too. All we can do is follow the evidence that is presented to us, keep an open mind and be willing to be proven wrong, for what it's worth, I only wish I could believe that there was some loving God up there that had a plan for my life, it would be so much more of a pleasant thought and feeling than the idea that ultimately my life and your life and all of our lives on this planet, means nothing, it's not hard to see why so many WANT to believe it, I get it completely, being an atheist doesn't mean having to be emotionless, heartless and unsympathetic towards those who have extraordinary kinds of beliefs like believing in life after death, Heaven etc, as if they were some other species or something, there's no "them and us", whatever we believe or don't believe, we are all human beings who will share the same kinds of feelings inside, being an atheist hasn't made me stop loving people and caring about the world I live in, I have Christian friends, Muslim friends as well as fellow atheist friends and outside of our respective positions on the question of Gods existence, we have many other things in common, so, there's no need for separation, many thanks.
@sageautumnnyland1352
7 жыл бұрын
Worth the read! Thanks :)
@jamesparson
7 жыл бұрын
You write well. I bet you could do videos on your experience.
@mbk3357
7 жыл бұрын
Sage, do you listen to podcasts at all?
@sageautumnnyland1352
7 жыл бұрын
I do! Any recommendations?
@mbk3357
7 жыл бұрын
You are bringing up so many issues I heard on the podcast "The Thinking Atheist", but you became clear about 15 years before he did. www.thethinkingatheist.com/podcast/my-coming-out-letter
@dannysnee4945
7 жыл бұрын
Sage Autumn Nyland Have you watched The Atheist Experience ?
@jamesparson
7 жыл бұрын
One of my all time favorites: Seth Andrews: Christianity Made Me Talk Like an Idiot kzitem.info/news/bejne/toioloNvmnqIZm0
@jamesparson
7 жыл бұрын
Good point. I know where I go for all my resources, maybe she hasn't found them yet.
@dajourlivingston27
6 жыл бұрын
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@sageautumnnyland1352
6 жыл бұрын
Thank youuuu
@blairfranklin7320
7 жыл бұрын
That's cool that you started your group. In regards to the Qur'an; you're going to have to know the history of Islam. You don't have to be a scholar, but you have to know the basic history. Keep up the good work.
@Chamelionroses
7 жыл бұрын
I can sympathize with many around me. Family and some friends cannot be talked to about certain things. Wish you good things whatever happens.
@herjeansdontlie6623
7 жыл бұрын
Jennifer Isaacs Yes, there are "over the top" religious folks -- I KNOW that. But when an atheist gets INCREDIBLY nasty towards me for disagreeing with him or her, I say to myself "Why would I model my life after him (or her)?" I talk about having a flexible mind - not being religious - yet atheists want uniform conformity. Hell, I've mentioned things that Einstein's said, but atheists still want to trash me. My motto has been, for quite some time, CONSIDER THE SOURCE. Atheists are NOT good source material!!!
@koklol2837
7 жыл бұрын
I have no idea how I found this video but the summary is pretty easy. You hate God and his rules. You like being a sinner, you identify with it. Claim that God is "hateful" because He doesn't agree, support or tolerate any form of sin that you hold so dear. You as an atheist judging God is absolutely insane. Saying that you were a Christian and are now an atheist is an oxymoron. So for the duration of your time as a "christian" when you prayed, you were deluded, correct? You were tripping out of your mind, because obviously there is nobody there.
@andeez4663
7 жыл бұрын
Correct. Obviously there is no-one there. Religion is utter nonsense. To be a Christian you have to believe a book that says that the creator of our universe, 100 billion galaxies with 100 billion stars in each, was so pissed off with a goat herder 3000 years ago that he had him stoned to death for gathering sticks on the sabbath. As I said utter nonsense. Leave the girl alone as she struggles for truth, HER truth.
@dannysnee4945
7 жыл бұрын
King of Kings and Lord of Lords Could anything convince you to change your mind on your religious beliefs ?
@jamesparson
7 жыл бұрын
Atheists really need to work on getting the word out. Atheists don't hate God. Atheists don't believe he exists. Thank you for your comment
@famprin5780
7 жыл бұрын
+ King of Kings and Lord of Lords You are just a christian because you want to sin towards our lord an savious the flying spaghetti monster.
@Eidann63
7 жыл бұрын
I am Christian and yes, I have done decades of research and reading; I am not ignorant nor have I been brainwashed. I was not brought up in a religious home. I am convinced through time that God is real, and that Jesus is the Son of the LIving God. This is my choice, based on that research, personal experience and faith. Yes, Jesus is mentioned in secular history, as well as the Bible and also in the Jews history. Please do not buy into the fact that the Bible is without merit; read it, and about it, yourselves. Many have tried to build a case against it to denounce it, and many have come away believers. What have you got to lose to pray to God in privacy and ask Him to reveal Himself to you?
@GuitarMAXMusic
7 жыл бұрын
Hi there. I enjoyed reading your comment. Could I ask you, how did you determine that Christianity was correct, as apposed to any other religion? You mentioned research, personal experience and faith. Many other believers use those same tools to determine that their religion is correct, and yet they have different beliefs than you. How did you determine that yours was correct? Best wishes.
@Eidann63
7 жыл бұрын
Wow.. thanks for all the personal insults - not - LOL - however, I will deflect and not respond in kind. I will say, however, that God is not responsible for the world being in this mess, this is man's mess. "What has He done for you lately???" He created the entire universe, and yourself for #1, secondly, Jesus got up on a cross and died an excrutiating death to take the place of all mankind, to give them everlasting life, forgiveness for your sins (we're all sinners and miss the mark.) He gives you this incredible gift through grace, if you just ask in truth. That's my belief, my faith, yes. You asked, I answered. If you want to continue the dialogue of anger and insults that's up to you; but, I guess we're finished here.. We all have free choice, it's your life.
@famprin5780
7 жыл бұрын
+Eidenn63 What "personal experience"? "Faith" is not an argument, and believing because faith is idiotic. Jesus is mentioned in history, but none of his deeds are. If Jesus really has done everything mentioned in the bible, the romans would've recorded it. If there are mentions of Jesus' deeds in history, please hook me up. I have read the and about the bible, still not convinced. Why you ask? The work of an omnipotent/omniscient being would not be self-contradictory. So either you admit your god is not omnipotent/omniscient, or you rethink your trust in the bible. In fact, many people have become atheists after reading the bible, because of the bible. Ask hiith. (A heap of dedicated writers could make a non self-contradictory strory without that much trouble, so why can't your god?) I have asked god to reveal himself to me many times, and nothing happened. Does your god want me to burn in hell because of my disbelief? God is in fact responsible for all evil in the world, and you should know that, as you have read the bible. (Can't remember the exact passage, but it goes something like "I, God, have created good and evil." If you want me to search for the exact quote and where it is in the bible, inform me.) "Lately". I don't know about you or kim Dierichsen, but my defenition of lately is not 6000+ years ago (Depending on if you are a young earth creationist or not) And humans are not created by god, they are created by a female and a male fucking. Pay better attention in biology class. And if you don't go to school anymore, the internet will tell you exactly how. Just search "YouPorn". Or wikipedia, the human reproduction progress should be on there somewhere. If Jesus took all the sins of humanity, shouldn't he burn in hell? Because if he doesn't do that, he doesn't pay for anything. Expect if god made an exeption just for Jesus, which would kind of defeat the whole point, as he just could've made an exeption for all of humanity. Or jsut not send anyone to the hell which he created, by the measures he created. Wait, what is that? Sounds like it's your god who's responsible for people going to hell, not people. Weird, isn't it? If you think we're all sinners because some woman ate an apple much time ago, then all americans are slave holders because americans in the past held slaves. (Oh, and we ARE sinners because that woman ate an apple, because without it, humans wouldn't be able to sin. And guess wildly who could've prevented the apple from being eaten. Right, your god. So why didn't he? Could it be that he is a huge dick, not omnipotent and omniscient, or non existant and the whole story is fake?) God has never given me any gifts, even when I asked him. It was my parents. If god is omniscient, we wouldn't have free choice, as everything we do is entirely predetemined, because if it wasn't, god wouldn't be omniscient. If god doesn't know everything we do he isn't omniscient, and if he does know everything we do, everything is predtermined, and we only have the illusion of choice.
@giotag1819
7 жыл бұрын
Eidann63 "God is not responsible" Sure, when a hurricane strikes, "it's not God's fault". I wonder, is that man's fault, or maybe hurricanes have free will too? But if someone survives after a hurricane, while all his neighbors were killed "it's a miracle, we must thank the Lord" That's like thanking a serial killer for not killing you after he killed all your neighbors...
@temidayoakogun1439
7 жыл бұрын
was it actually a 'research' or a search for more information to confirm what you where already believing? think about that
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