Great comparison, I agree the Bachmann livery does look much nicer. Wonder if they will ever update them, mind it’ll probably cost £250 - £300 knowing Bachmann.
@NicholassTrainChannel
2 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison video Matt. I would say that both are really nice.
@railwaychannel66745
2 жыл бұрын
Great new update Matt, keep up the good work
@LNER985
2 жыл бұрын
Nothing beats a Hornby A4 and the green doesn't look garbage to me.
@anfieldroadlayoutintheloft5204
2 жыл бұрын
good vid matt keep up the good vid thanks lee
@HemelDownModelRailway
2 жыл бұрын
I prefer the hornby due to the shape, do see what you mean about the paint work, if I ever owned it I would just have it weathered to make up for it - great video thanks for sharing 🙂👍🏻
@ModelTrainOutsider
2 жыл бұрын
Great straight comparison of the two. My few years in the hobby (and only knowing the German companies' stocks) always leaves me wondering how 2 or 3 companies can have such varied looking versions of the same loco, all while bragging about how accurate they are. And I won't even mention the qualitative differences.
@Jimyjames73
2 жыл бұрын
I didn't notice / know about the front angle of the Bachmann Loco!!! Nor about the 'Hornby Green' - Thanks - I tend to go towards Hornby really!!! 🙂🚂🚂🚂
@Jay-hg2ec
2 жыл бұрын
Bang on about the livery application, I haven't bought a new Hornby locomotive in 12 years because of the shade of green
@TERRYBARTLETTRAILMAN28
2 жыл бұрын
Nice work on the two A4s I like the hornby version because of the lamp irons on the front to put headboards and lamps on the loco The Green needs to be improved but the running quality very nice at high speeds didn't Golden Plover had sound before but I guess when you rename it to Union of South Africa it will
@wyvernmodelrailway
2 жыл бұрын
Colour of paintwork is very difficult to gauge, was it freshly painted, aged paintwork, as preserved, what are the lighting conditions and so on, all of these make objective analysis difficult, so variations can be accepted, but getting the shape wrong, that's a big no no. So Hornby for me.
@bentullett6068
2 жыл бұрын
That is true about the paint. I have seen GWR locomotives on the Severn Valley Railway painted in green and some are painted in a very dark green and some are painted in the washed out faded green colour, even when they are re liveried in the BR condition they seem to have different shades of green.
@Nick-vr2pf
2 жыл бұрын
on the one hand, hornby's detail and proportions are very good. the overall stance of the loco is undeniable. i do actually love how fine the valve gear and connecting rods are on hornby's model. on the other, bachmann's A4's are proportioned well in comparison to itself, very sturdy, and the livery application is far superior. i think bachmann's A4's have a bit more charm to them whereas hornby's A4's are a bit flat- but neither model are better or worse as they are both great.
@jeffsymons4535
2 жыл бұрын
The Hornby model is far superior. Bachmann's body is basically the old 1960's trix/lilliput model.
@ScaniaVabis580
2 жыл бұрын
Although the body shape is a little iffy, the Bachmann one wins for me... Metal wheels, heavy die-cast cartazzi truck and the new 5 pole motor is absolutely fantastic. The Hornby one is starting to feel a bit cheap imo but, if they retool the chassis like their latest lner loco's I think it would be the better model absolutely.
@Railfanner12
7 ай бұрын
the problem with bachman that my mate had with his v2 is that bachman model trains have lots more bits and its so much more detailed and precise.
@petergrossett6763
2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the video. I like the second eccentric motion on the Hornby A4’s. Saw A4’s in Fife in the fifties and sixties. Happy days. Hornby or Bachmann? Both if possible! Great video, as always!
@julianasomeone7445
2 жыл бұрын
100% the Hornby Model it so beautiful and i love that green but i still preferer a flying scotsman so plz do a vid on that ty
@dugstodd8683
2 жыл бұрын
Sorry Matt it’s Hornby for me.
@bentullett6068
2 жыл бұрын
Regarding paint greens do vary on the real locomotives some of the GWR locomotives can either be finished in a dark green like on the Bachmann A4 model and some can be in that lighter faded green like on the Hornby A4. Although one thing I hate on Hornby models is the gold glitter paint they use for the numbers and name plates.
@Decrepit_biker
2 жыл бұрын
Colour is a difficult thing to do in scale. Sounds counter intuitive, but the actual colour of say the Hornby might be more how you would view the real loco from a scale distance in real life. Colours get washed out by distance, so an 100% accurate shade might actually look wrong from the distance you would view it if that makes sense? It makes a sort of forced perspective if you will.
@i.c.d.-videos1901
2 жыл бұрын
A good comparison video Matt 👍🏻. I know what you mean about Hornby & their green paints, it just looks like a some form of diluted pastel green paint. I would say the updated Castle models & Britannia's are better but still have room for improvement. The one unique model Hornby have done in a limited run a couple of years ago was the gloss version of King George V, 6000. Now maybe because of the paint gloss, but that model does standout for the better.
@Jay-hg2ec
2 жыл бұрын
The latest GWR prairie from Hornby was better but still not right
@mikeuk4130
2 жыл бұрын
Interesting reversal of the nose problem. I remember that the old tender-drive Hornby had a fat nose, whilst the Bachmann was finer and looked much truer to the prototypes. I don't mind the slightly faded look of the Hornby loco, which would suit some weathering, but the shade is just too blue for me.
@jakedarling7549
2 жыл бұрын
Always gone hornby ever since I got my first A4, which was Bachmann and I was disappointed in it (bearing in mind I was 8, so for it not to impress at that age says something). These days if I can't get the livery I want I buy the spec I want and just repaint it. Not that everyone can do that...
@stormbowman7148
8 ай бұрын
I like the Hornby model better. The faded green paint can be a great platform for additional weathering.
@Railfanner12
7 ай бұрын
agreed
@Colin21454
2 жыл бұрын
The Bachmann green and red lining and nameplate stand out better to me, both excellent runners tho
@PaulSmith-pl7fo
2 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt. Yes, the Bachmann does look better (even if the curve of the streamlining is "wrong"). Is it my imagination, but is the Hornby model larger? You said the models ran equally well, but a certain well-known YT reviewer has often remarked that the Hornby mechanisms are much better!
@davidstrains4910
2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion they are both quite good, the hornby may win on better detail but at today’s prices they are quite expensive, the bachmann ones can be picked up for a decent price, I have 2 bachmann ones and they were both under the £100 mark, one of them is even a limited edition Dominion of Canada and as long as they are looked after they will give you very good performance, also a lot of people used to say that the bachmann ones were the wrong shape, I have looked at both hornby and bachmann A4s side by side and can categorically say that there is no difference in the shape of the bachmann A4s.
@sapphirejunction8993
2 жыл бұрын
Excellent review and even though I'm not into Steam I was intrigued. Hornby also get liveries wrong elsewhere, i.e GBRf Blue, and these days I just don't buy them when there are issues like this especially when they cost an arm & a leg.
@AdiPullen
2 жыл бұрын
Simply hornby for me But my Bachmann A4 was was a better runner even if it was a split chassis one Keep safe arp
@ScaniaVabis580
2 жыл бұрын
Yah the 30 year old body shell toolings are letting the bachmann models down a tad but... I prefer the Bachmann a4 though, the heavy DCC ready chassis and livery tone wins it for me, i can live with the nose profile error. The Hornby model is cheap and nasty to the touch with the plastic cartazzi truck too. Maybe if Hornby retooled the chassis to match the more recent N.E. models it might be better but the BR green is an even bigger issue I agree. The A2/2 shade of br green is a big eye opener as I'm sure people will see here soon 🤦.
@francismewton3276
2 жыл бұрын
I like the Hornby model to honest they are both nice, as you said hornby should be getting the colour right, may be its a Chinese thing
@jamesjosephjjdyer3368
2 жыл бұрын
Matthew it would be nice if the 2 A4s would had pass each other and I strongly believe that Hornby need to get there livery much better plus Bachmann need to make a A4 like an A4 as for running quality I give 100% for speed. JJ
@benzinapaul7416
2 жыл бұрын
Hornby but I wouldn't buy either of them unless they were cheap 2nd hand
@johncresswell9843
2 жыл бұрын
It's Bachmann every time for me
@sturmtigerking4263
2 жыл бұрын
I have a Hornby Mallard and I think the issue is the paint is too Matt. I would like another of the surviving A4s but the prices are just too much. Great video
@ianjames1352
2 жыл бұрын
Bachmann A4 is better then hornby A4. The other thing with the hornby is the value gare to thin
@garagewindowrailway
2 жыл бұрын
The shade of green is the killer for me. The same was true with the GWR llanfair grange and other hornby GWR green locos as well. So agreed... the appearance is a deal breaksr and I check the hornby green before buying and or keeping their locos. Garage Window Railway.
@kellyashfordtrains2642
2 жыл бұрын
Both A4s are as good-looking as each other. Their shape may not be exactly like the real thing, but give Hornby a break. OK, I sort of went on a comparison date with this: Bachmann 43xx vs Dapol 43xx. Yes, Dapol's 43xx is a much better performing model than Bachmann's version, yet I have a mix of Hornby, Bachmann and Dapol models in my collection. I never judge them by the colour shades. The shade of green on your Hornby A4 isn't wrong at all, it's just their interpretation of Brunswick Green. The green colour on your Bachmann model is a better shade version, I suppose, but hey it's nice. I can never choose between Hornby and Bachmann, it wouldn't be fair. It's not whether Hornby gets the colour of their models right, but the quality of their models, that counts. Neither Hornby or Bachmann have ever let me down. Who am I to judge the models by their colours?😂🙃
@davidsheriff8989
2 жыл бұрын
I think Bachmann are always better produced however the motors in Hornby are far better...
@ScaniaVabis580
2 жыл бұрын
This particular bachmann A4 has a 5 pole can style motor as opposed to the dreadful usually 3 poles that bachmann seem to opt for. I can't say I'm a fan of their coreless one's either tbh.
@attuslebeard5133
2 жыл бұрын
Nice to see some Eastern region models. Totally agree about Hornby's rubbish green - what galls me though is they can get it right on Southern and Western locos so why is it they repeatedly reach for the wrong pot when it comes to Eastern locos? Their rendition of apple green is way off target too
@ollychap1985
2 жыл бұрын
The Bachmann It more robust and the green is much better than Hornby's the Hornby a4 is a better shape and a bit more detailed. I don't mind either of the locos . and I agree the Hornby br Green is awful
@davidstrains4910
2 жыл бұрын
The shape of the bachmann A4 is perfect they have got it correct, I have studied both models side by side and from a range of different directions and I cannot find anything on the bachmann A4s shape being incorrect.
@keitheglon
2 жыл бұрын
Bachmann are my favourite loco's, like you said the paint lively on Hornby are well crap and looks more toy like.
@thebritfarmer
2 жыл бұрын
Hornby do struggle with paint colours. When you question them about they are adamant that their colours are correct.
@HamStrains
2 жыл бұрын
Well tbh, they are, to them. Colour is in the eye of the beholder and a very complex set of variables dictate how the individual interprets the colour these go from personal physiological factors all the way to simply where you're standing relative to the light source... all this before we get to the fact there is only 1 loco I believe that is definetly known to be preserved in the exact same paint job it ran with in service in terms of BR steam liveries. Everything else has been repainted using some guys sorta best guess at what is right. That loco is city of Birmingham, went straight into a museum, has since moved from one museum to a new one but stands alone in never having been messed with. There were two other possibilites, the two A4s in the states May well have avoided a brush since BR did them up and sent them over but we just did away with that example.
@martinpattison1567
2 жыл бұрын
I got the first question wrong. The Hornby one is the one I would go for, but there are more problems with it for me. 1. Totally agree with you about the paint finish. It is awful. 2. I would prefer it to in LNER Apple Green and have its LNER number. 3. If it has to be in BR then in BR early crest and remove those overhead warning stickers. Martin. (Thailand) Make model of trains as they started life, (And real ones) not as they finished it.
@bryantan863
2 жыл бұрын
Dude! BR Brunswick green looks ugly on the A4 pacifics. The A4s look much LNER liveries.
@davidwest6962
2 жыл бұрын
The Hornby model is far better than the bachmann. Livery can be vastly improved with Johnsons klear ad weathering. Bachmann chassis is poor. Tender is pure fiction. An an amalgamation it corridor 1928 and 1936 versions. Valve gear hopelessly wrong and over scale no Lubricator or speedo represented. The gree of the bachmann version is closer to prototype but the lining particularly the boiler bands are like a bumble bee. 9/10 for Hornby. 2/10 for bachmann.
@toniandbazduffy9703
2 жыл бұрын
I prefer neither. A4 s are not a nice locomotive at all. Kind regards.
@christopherstokes9393
2 жыл бұрын
Not an opinion I hear being expressed very often (though you are, of course, entitled to it :) !!!!)
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