What I really enjoy about how Logain is presented, is that he is the Third Era analogue for Demandred. He is that one who was THIS close to being the dragon. The decisions he makes, the choice to be a hero with his power, rather than descending into jealousy and evil, reflect what Barid Bel Medar COULD have been in the Age of Legends, insteading he becomes one of the most devious and powerful among the forsaken. Login could have been the same, just like Mazrim Taim, but instead, he becomes a hero, and will be recognized in the Next Age as one of the great heroes of the Last Battle.
@jaredvillhelm2002
2 жыл бұрын
The dragon’s left hand.
@USMCVetDawn
2 жыл бұрын
That’s a brilliant assessment! Love it!
@not-a-person
Жыл бұрын
@@jaredvillhelm2002 I love that thank you
@kocobrwn508
11 ай бұрын
Well said
@Sir_TophamHatt
4 ай бұрын
And he’ll likely receive the credit (and rightly so) for beginning a new era of male Aes Sedai, despite the idea for the black tower being Rand’s originally
@Siansonea
4 жыл бұрын
I always thought Logain was wasted potential, and I think having him as a POV character in the show is the right call. I hope that Grady, Narishma, Flinn and the other notable Asha'man have more to do in the show than they did in the books. Narishma especially seems like he needs more presence in the story, for some reason.
@kght222
4 жыл бұрын
he who draws it out shall follow after.
@kght222
4 жыл бұрын
"Mourn if you must, but mourn on the march for Tarmon Gai'don."
@reclaimerbear6760
2 жыл бұрын
Shoot, that is good
@jeffmartin5419
4 жыл бұрын
"The Black Tower protects... always." One of my favorite lines form the whole series.
@fardareismai4495
4 жыл бұрын
The White Tower serves, after the ancient function of Aes Sedai, and the Black Tower protects. Awesome dynamic I'd say😊
@someguythatlookslikeme8306
11 ай бұрын
My Favorite is when Taim arrives with the Asha-man to rescue Rand. "Kneel before the Lord Dragon, or be Knelt"
@christianefiorito3204
10 ай бұрын
This is a total tear up moment
@letstalkshittv
4 жыл бұрын
Glad Rafe is expanding Logain, def one of my favorite characters
@logansfury
2 жыл бұрын
I've discovered this channel thru it's coverage of the WOT amazon prime show. Later being better than never I've been viewing the videos from last and previous years and enjoying them very much. This is a great series with very in-depth analysis of the story. I'm enjoying the book coverage over the show coverage, and watching the char analysis videos is great fun. Thanks a lot for the wonderful content, I'll be making my way thru your library of WOT videos over the next several weeks :D
@mephestopholes
4 жыл бұрын
Logain really grew on me over time.
@athomenotavailable
Жыл бұрын
I think he was never envious. He thought he was meant to be the DR, so his intention was to save the world, his nature was ultimately altruistic. When he was severed and another man appeared to be the real DR, he realized he was not the protagonist of his times and he lost his reason to live. Then when Nynaeve healed him, he saw hope again and so he sought out Rand, not to supplant him, but to assess whether he could truly be the DR.
@Drave_Jr.
2 жыл бұрын
I wish we saw more of the Black Tower in the story.
@charlieteneyck6797
4 жыл бұрын
It annoyed me a lot when he doesn’t believe Randt that he had cleansed the male side of the one power.
@Negentropy369
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree, but I still love Logain. Rand was almost beyond human, and many of the things that were manifest by his presence were hard to believe for anyone of that world. Cleansing the taint is working at the level of deity, and so characters have a hard time believing someone who seems to be a regular man could accomplish such a thing. Just my perspective.
@jeffreyjay2899
11 ай бұрын
Logain is one of my favorite characters. He is a man who makes mistakes, has to face setbacks, and has to swallow his pride but ultimately he does the right thing. That's the most important thing about him. He is very human in this way.
@Nobnoxious
4 жыл бұрын
Less Elayne, more Logain!!
@andrewberenson5717
4 жыл бұрын
I could never figure out from the WoT Companion book how to say Sealbreaker in the Old Tongue
@Dejan3979
4 жыл бұрын
Great video ! Hope there will be more Logain in the show !
@mercurydylan899
2 жыл бұрын
One of my favorites and one that, I agree, I wish had more POV chapters and page time
@crimsonbride
5 ай бұрын
Loved this
@fartohard
2 жыл бұрын
I can't wait for Nov.16th but i no ideal what I'm gonna do on the 17th after I finish binge watching the first episodes.
@yasirsultani
3 жыл бұрын
I actually hated that Cadsuane became Amyrlin. As Tam said, she is a bully .
@xearonine5084
4 жыл бұрын
"Mourn if you must...
@foulmouthflip
3 жыл бұрын
After the last battle Logain moves to Milwaukee and channels the 1 power to move a ancient relic called a motorcycle and changes his name to the Fonz HEY BUCKOO,
@caladanrude6395
4 жыл бұрын
Mourn if you must but mourn on the march to T'armon gai'don!
@lisacook8235
3 жыл бұрын
There's no difference between the bond imposed by the Asha'man and the Warder bond of the Aes Sedai, which also gives the power to compel: since Warders enter the relationship voluntarily knowing it entails obedience, Aes Sedai have little occasion to actually compel them.
@coxy761
4 жыл бұрын
question why did Rand need someone to teach him to control his access to saidin and logain didn't?
@andyc6766
4 жыл бұрын
6:49 - ummmm The black tower... The unkempt forest... I had never seen a map before, and either the artist had other things on their mind, or Jordan did.
@pokevictor564
3 жыл бұрын
6:49 HAHAAHHAHAAHHA, is that really what the black tower map looks like or was that a pun?
@NaeBlis
3 жыл бұрын
Lol it’s a joke because tar valon looks like a vagina
@NaeBlis
3 жыл бұрын
Lol it’s a joke because tar valon looks like a vagina
@tar-davidtelcntar8411
4 жыл бұрын
Nae'blis please do a video eximination of Asha'man Black Tower 🤔🧐👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@kervin1693
5 ай бұрын
Normal bond can force obedience. Just not Rand cause Taveeran. Otherwise great video!
@TheBadgerReborn
4 жыл бұрын
Was Logain extra lucky due to being able to channel? I seem to remember that being mentioned in New Spring as a side power that channelers seem to have. Or did he just get regular lucky when he gambled to win the money? Or did he cheat somehow?
@Sammusg
2 жыл бұрын
I assume he was a minor ta’veran. All things considered.
@derpimusmaximus8815
4 жыл бұрын
OK, you successfully changed my headcanon regarding the fate of Asmodean. Which raises the question - when Joe Exotic gets out of jail, who should he play in the WoT show?
@someguythatlookslikeme8306
11 ай бұрын
a random pumpkin next to the Cairhien Road
@cyruspalmer98
4 жыл бұрын
I don't think the men who bonded Aes Sedai will release them, necessarily. I think Androl and Perva are the wave of the future with their mutual bond. It would be the best way for male and female channels to work together moving into the 4th age.
@cyruspalmer98
4 жыл бұрын
And they are both very influential in their respective towers. Their discovery would be very compelling to the many channelers who've developed relationships with their warders/aes sedai.
@sn1ckers100
4 жыл бұрын
T think there should be more Logaine. Was always wished there was more.
@armandog3335
4 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@brigandineofdragons373
4 жыл бұрын
This one will have spoilers for me. I watched a video by you which for me was spoiler free. The end scene of the first book. In the prologue of Crossroads of Twilight, I feel I should be able to watch most of your videos. And can someone tell me when this great slow down will begin? I'm waiting for Matt to start playing yahtzee on a double round and be lapped.
@cyruspalmer98
4 жыл бұрын
A lot of people talk about 'the slog' of the later Jordan books, but I didn't even realize that was a thing until I started reading what other people said about it. I was enthralled throughout the series.
@johannesegger
2 жыл бұрын
For me, "the slog" is #7-#10. Picks up again at #11, I really liked that one.
@dmlebeau8547
Жыл бұрын
What if Logain was 50 Cent
@ravenwind420
4 жыл бұрын
Ok Carole lol
@salmanalqahtani6943
4 жыл бұрын
6:49 no one is gonna say anything about this?
@salmanalqahtani6943
4 жыл бұрын
Okay
@RiseeRee
4 жыл бұрын
Okay so I was immediately floored at “hey all you cool cats and kittens” 😹
@wadefan06
4 жыл бұрын
I feel like Logain was a character who got lost in the shuffle. Jordan probably intended to do more with him but there were so many other characters and plotlines some naturally got pushed aside. Unfortunately, Logain was one of those.
@NoorAhmed-nk2jq
4 жыл бұрын
I love Logain, one of my favorite things in the series is when characters who aren't our mains are shown to be talented and competent and having their own adventures, like Lgain, Androl, Pevara, Pevara's friend who starts the hunt for the black ajah (Seaine?) it adds more to the story than Elayne or Egwene having yet another lost talent manifest or having to tell every secondary character what to do. And Logain is the best among these characters because he has a very satisfying arc. I'm excited to see him played up more for the TV show.
@SaintsRuleTheHood
4 жыл бұрын
Logain could have easily become a Taim of sorts as they've both been through similar situations. He's the 'good' Taim so to speak.
@lordinquisitordunn336
4 жыл бұрын
Something that keeps coming up especially in regards to lews therin is the ring of tamerlain. Ive always assumed that tamerlain is the male equivalent of amyrlin and I would have loved it if someone had given logain a replica of that ring and he took up the mantle of tamerlain since the title of mhael has been tainted by mazrim taim
@justdave9610
4 жыл бұрын
Tamyrlyn is the first person to tap into the true source if I'm remembering my lore correctly. It's also probably a name that's a WoT version of Merlin (Ta-Myrlyn)
@michaelhowze8198
3 жыл бұрын
@@justdave9610 Pretty sure it was also a title which makes sense really. Just look at how many nations called thier rulers Ceaser.
@jawanzieivey9463
3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelhowze8198 if I remember correctly it's a name, and it's believed that the title Amyrlin is a derivative of the name proper
@michaelhowze8198
3 жыл бұрын
@@jawanzieivey9463 Right as i said just like Ceaser
@p.c.windhamparanormalroman4339
4 жыл бұрын
I would have loved to have seen how Logain resisted the attempts at turning him. I could just imagine his jibes at the Myrdraal and the dreadlords as they tried.
@SaintsRuleTheHood
4 жыл бұрын
Narishma should be higher on the abilities list. He's described as just behind Logain in terms of raw power. So ++4/++3.
@andrewberenson5717
4 жыл бұрын
I liked Logain's character in the book. I think rather than spend as much time on Perrin's hunt for Faile and Faile's time in Malden, we could have had more scenes at the Black Tower (from Logain's perspective) showing us the division between Logain's faction and Taim's faction. RJ could have not given us any PoVs from Taim at this point to highten the impact of the reveal if the turning of Ashaaman in the last few books.
@winxclubflora8446
Жыл бұрын
Yesssssssssssss more logain and black towerrrrr
@maxieprimo2758
Жыл бұрын
Logain is such a good character. He goes through a much more understated arc than the mains, as side characters do so often, but he rocks it by being so dependable and solid. Love me some Logain.
@josieseeger8387
4 жыл бұрын
It's nice to see my favorite character appreciated
@TheBralessDiaries
4 жыл бұрын
I loved Logain. I really hope the producers are true to their word and expand his roll.
@charlieteneyck6797
4 жыл бұрын
I just wanted to throw this out there. I just finished the entirety of the WoT series and I’m extremely excited to be able to watch your red spoiler videos!! Thank you for your content.
@thedarkonestaint6105
4 жыл бұрын
The actor they chose for him in the Amazon show strikes me more of a maxim taim
@jenniferwood144
4 жыл бұрын
I always have liked and did admire him in the first read. The tower treatment, the hate and fear by the public leads him to a dark place...but not evil. There in my opinion should have been a POV from Logan to Rand in the issues they both encountered you know dragon to dragon. He pulled through in the end because he is a leader and not a tyrant. Please why is the black tower a penis and not a Dragon....yeesh
@HikingPhalkawn
4 жыл бұрын
It was designed that way - jokingly - by Nae'blis in response to the look of Tar Valon and the White Tower being portrayed in most of the artwork around the series as the female equivalent.
@NevG27
4 жыл бұрын
When I read Logain, I always pictured Alan Rickman in my mind. He would have been the perfect portrayal IMO
@rune4769
4 жыл бұрын
Turn to page 394, my Lord dragon
@sea5063
4 жыл бұрын
Lol Logain is 27 years old at the start of the books xD
@fabyobrenneraraujo8050
4 жыл бұрын
Sea plus he started to slow when he began channeling, so he probably looks like 21 or something!
@sea5063
4 жыл бұрын
@@fabyobrenneraraujo8050 Right, so casting him as a 55+ year old (Rickman's age in the first HP movie, which is when I'm assuming this person imagine him as Logain bc of the long hair and dark look) is as ridiculous as people who fan cast Michael C Hall as Rand.... Do people completely ignore ages in this series or something?? Majority of main characters are in their 20s . Even Alvaro Morte is far too old for Logain, but he looks like he's gonna be amazing so I'm not mad.
@fabyobrenneraraujo8050
4 жыл бұрын
Sea agreed! It’s crazy!
@mranderson718
Жыл бұрын
I read the entire series in 4 months and now I feel like a big part of my life is over. I wish there was more but I’m happy it was left to end perfectly.
@yoshikoromppel7662
Жыл бұрын
Me too. Took me 4 months, and I just finished 2 days ago... So glad to have such great content on youtube to stay in that world a little longer 💜
@Jerohnable
4 жыл бұрын
Logain is minor but important. Closer to the end of saga you realise that every minor character is as much important as major one in that intricate Jordan's weave. And i like so much that Jordan unlike many others shows that life is a pretty complicated thing. Butterfly effect :)
@digitalhunter42
4 жыл бұрын
OMG, is the map of the Black Tower meant to look like a pen!s and balls lol?
@Vincent-lw2sp
4 жыл бұрын
Based on rumors I thought the Black Tower would be bigger. 😂😂
@Magnums_Chronicles
4 жыл бұрын
Yes, it is. Nae’Blis made a ‘tongue in cheek’ video where he was spoofing aspects of the books. The Black Tower on the map was one of those infamous creations. Fitting considering what Tar Valon looks like on the map within the books.
@pieniaurinko
4 жыл бұрын
@@Magnums_Chronicles Do you remember the title of the video, or around what time it was uploaded? I think I missed that one.
@Jerohnable
4 жыл бұрын
Coincidentally tar valon is an oval island that looks like... well you got what i mean :>
@thehoogard
4 жыл бұрын
I would have loved for Rand to build a close male friendship with someone else than Perrin and Mat, specifically with another channeler. I think Logain would have fit perfectly into that role; the start out not really trusting each other but with time they would become close friends. A bit sad Rand's and Logain's relationship was expanded further.
@Negentropy369
4 жыл бұрын
Yes! That's one of the main things I feel like Rand is missing as a character, a close friend he can relate to strongly and interacts with fairly regularly. Strong friendships are often some of the most cherished parts of stories, and his relationship with Mat and Perrin isn't really written in that manner. None of them understands each other very well as they all have extremely unique subjective experiences(memories, wolf's, uhh being TDR lol) And so the main thing holding them together is their history and Ta'veren nature. With Logain it could be a friendship based on mutual understanding.
@thehoogard
4 жыл бұрын
@@Negentropy369 Yeah exactly :)
@jessi4894
4 жыл бұрын
I think that everything Androl did in the series, aside from saving Logain, should have been done by Logain. Androl wasn't even mentioned until the last three books, then showed up to steal Androl's thunder.
@Sammusg
2 жыл бұрын
Lots of people wish there was more of Logain in the books… but I think he is so liked because he is not in it. You build a lot of who he is in your head; so we all like him for our own reasons.
@kght222
3 жыл бұрын
the amayar are probably descendants of aiel set to watch over the female choden kal, they essentially follow the way of the leaf. remember that other descendants of the da'shain aiel also describe death as waking from the dream. as for worshiping the choden kal i am not sure about. i am sure that aiel become self destructive without purpose, something perrin realized at the dragon's summit in merrilor (and earlier when he broke an aiel by threatening to make him useless). so whatever their culture was, it did revolve around the choden kal, and we can only speculate as to how. when the choden kal was destroyed perhaps they felt that they had failed in their duty, that their toh was too great to repay as a whole culture.
@Violetsoul6
4 жыл бұрын
I can't wait to see what Rafe and the writers do with his character. Great video!
@persephonesamuels1678
4 жыл бұрын
Logain is a class A hottie!
@Eriksheart
4 жыл бұрын
Logain was one of my favorites as well but there is another of my favorites that doesn't get talked about much that I wish would be a character discussed. Rhuarc was basically Rand's second in command of the Aiel and was also one of Rand's teachers of Aiel ways. His death was an empty death.
@TruthWaves22
3 жыл бұрын
@@Eriksheart I felt the same. It's like I got slapped to the face. Made me mad
@nicolewhite3544
4 жыл бұрын
Very much looking forward to seeing the adaptation of Logain
@audiewilliams3417
4 жыл бұрын
Their were a lot of missed opportunities in development of secondary characters in the series, mainly because there were so many.
@KelYarule
2 жыл бұрын
Rand had a vision for the Black Tower and due to circumstances he was hands off. I think that Logain embodied the ideal when he protected the refugees and said "The Black Tower protects... always." This line brings tears to my eyes, I think it was one of the most significant scenes in the last book as it frames a major part of the future for the world. I think what made Logain so powerful was his absence, it showed even minor characters could create major waves. One of the best things about the setting was how the cultures felt organic and in The Black Tower you could see a seedling take root, Logain is and will be the gardener. As mentioned he'll likely live for 700+ years and I think that post last battle he'll become a stabilizing force for the continent. I often wonder what part he would have played in the Outrigger series that would have focused on Tuon and Mat.
@Dragonmaster0905
4 жыл бұрын
Do Hurin next. I wish there was more of Logain in the books.
@JackOfAllSkillige
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly i believe that they should give Androl’s role to Logain, hell maybe even give Logain the traveling talent. I like Androl and Pavara well enough but imagine if Gabrella and Logain took their role instead? Logain gets more page time and is expanded. Just a thought
@joshuastclairmusic
4 жыл бұрын
Rand Al’Thor - In Tear Logain - in Tears 😢
@bozoforce
3 жыл бұрын
LOL
@twig8523
4 жыл бұрын
Hah! So that's how Graendal disposed of Asmodean's body... sardine oil. 🤔 Carol Baskin? Phaw! I'm not fooled by such a simple trick as the mask of mirrors.
@sea5063
4 жыл бұрын
Y'all, watch Money Heist (La Casa de Papel) on Netflix, it's AMAZING. Alvaro Morte is easily the best part of that show. I can't wait to see him as Logain. When speaking English he has a very thick accent, I wonder how he'll sound as Logain 🤔
@jamesbrownii9508
4 жыл бұрын
Lmao, those messages in the background kill me... hopefully not by tigers, tho.
@phlatbrim2732
4 жыл бұрын
Really great vid! do more of these! you do them well! Logain very underrated character!
@phlatbrim2732
2 жыл бұрын
still believe this! miss real videos and not just throwing up other peoples content and AMA's
@TheJreesing
4 жыл бұрын
No disrespect to Mr. Sanderson but delete androl and replace all his plot with Logain. If I was writing the show I would have his release come sooner and make the founding of the Tower happen sooner. Also I would make Rand have Tiam and Logain equals from the start have their tension ramped up to 11.
@s7e6p19
3 жыл бұрын
Replacing Androl completely with Logain is problematic as Androl was the primary help in freeing Logain from Tiam. Unless rewrite the situation completely. If you check the timeline of when Tiam became the head of the black tower, Logain was gentled. It wasn't until much, much later that he went to the black tower. By then Tiam already had started gaining special favorites and had control. This idea would have been good except the timing prevents it.
@ursaber
4 жыл бұрын
Coolest male channeler on the side of the Light. Logain, Lan, Ishamael/Moridin, Demandred and Galad are my bros. Rand's dragon reborn power is more my bro than the dude himself.
@someguythatlookslikeme8306
11 ай бұрын
Theyve really given Logain a much more visible presence than what i remember from the books. He was just a weepy mess in the beginning. When he was healed and returned to the fold, to serve Rand, it was honestly a tear jerk moment. Im glad they are presenting him as favorable as he can be.
@troglodyto
4 жыл бұрын
I love your stuff dude. You inspire me to maybe want to start a channel one day about some of my fave book series
@deadpiratetattoo2015
2 жыл бұрын
Yup. Revisiting all of your old vids to get ready for the turning of the wheel. Episodes 1-3 are out and I'm soaking up all this nerd facts I can get without a complete reread. Thanks again
@andrewberenson5717
4 жыл бұрын
Another good video. I hope you are doing well and healthy
@peterwalls-qf7ii
Жыл бұрын
Fate is heavy on Logain Ablar's shoulders. He has to build the black tower,again. Training , rituals competence levels, exams, Everything! He has to make the black tower function, not only during his life time, but after as well. He has to make peace with Tar Valon, not an easy thing with the misandric witch on the Amyrlyn seat, recreate the hall of the servants, so all is ready for the next battle. Lewis Therin Telamon will come again, to break the world. Poor Logain is his John, the one who prepares the way. Nothing is settled, nothing is over. As long as the wheel exists, everything will repeat itself;over and over and over, forever!
@finwow
2 жыл бұрын
Logan is lost in the seeking of power. Andrall becomes his conscious. The pleading “the children Logan,Their killing the children” that draws him to what’s right again. To becoming a force for good in the world and ultimately to power. A different kind but power none the lesss.
@brianweekes1757
Жыл бұрын
The palace being build beside the white tower, I always thought it was softly implied that this could be the future home of the Black Tower.
@Iansco1
2 жыл бұрын
Login is not there a lot. But is the only character that, when there, is always impacted. Very little of him does not push story
@locker1325
Жыл бұрын
Superb video. I enjoyed learning more about Logain
@MrManlify
2 жыл бұрын
6:49 I gotta ask... is the black tower... a... you know?
@zackamd9636
2 жыл бұрын
Now Alvaro morte (professor) act the character of logain Alber in time of wheel😍
@XRoman6
4 жыл бұрын
for the love of the gods! never say that again...
@christianrapper
2 жыл бұрын
Logain was one of the few male channelers that didn’t go mad
@Phoenix-King-ozai
Жыл бұрын
Great character
@Hriday_21
2 жыл бұрын
Moraine 💜💜
@Violetsoul6
4 жыл бұрын
OMG at 5:48 I almost spit my food out. LMAO
@Nobnoxious
4 жыл бұрын
MK Genest 6:48, but yeah, lol 😂
@RoboticMagus
2 жыл бұрын
When I read the books, I was expecting him to betray Rand almost all the way to the end.
@timeweston
4 жыл бұрын
Michael Mcelhatton should play Lews Therin. His voice would be haunting. Would love to see a retelling of the Wheel of Time through the eyes of Lews Therin...with that madman Rand al' Thor in his head
@supajap07
3 жыл бұрын
Minor point on the warder bond. It can be used to compel, as shown with the conversation between Verin and Alanna after she bonds Rand. Verin asks why she didn't compel him, and Alanna reveals that she tried, but was unable to.
@kght222
3 жыл бұрын
man i would love to see what happens with logain and cads after the last battle. i think after her mistakes with rand some of her harsher edges might be worn down but these two powerful leaders of channelers are going to have to work hard to see eye to eye, especially with cadsuane being responsible for his gentling in the first place. i don't think war would be in the offing (keep in mind that the black tower is not a part of the dragon's peace, so war is a non treaty breaking option) but i definitely do not see an aes'sedai reunification during their lifetimes either, its gonna probably be a bit of a mild cold war. i don't think logain would ever accept nyn's healing either so he will always carry those scars.
@timtitus6715
4 жыл бұрын
I’m watching Money Heist right now and super excited to see Morté as Logain!
@calboye
3 жыл бұрын
so does this mean the story that the red Ajah had something to do with him proclaiming himself the dragon reborn was a lie?
@MoreFunWithJacob
2 жыл бұрын
Nae'blis The books say Logan was stronger after the healing.
@helengasser9235
3 жыл бұрын
Your videos are very high quality! Thank you for this!
@JamesKGood
3 жыл бұрын
I saw Logain as part of the horn towards the end of the series
@MattGarZero
4 жыл бұрын
Probably my 3nd favorite character after Rand.
@ravenwind420
4 жыл бұрын
Great video but did nobody get the tiger king reference?
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